WWW Corner Booth Transcript: May 9, 2007, Boggarts and the face of fear |
 May 9 2007, 08:53 PM
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Today's Text Chat Moderators were: Aislinn, cloudpic, fawkes28, Prongs Patronus, SoonerGryffindor
[19:00] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [19:04] *** Joyhawk2121 has joined #lounge [19:04] <SoonerGryffindor> hello joyhawk [19:04] <Joyhawk2121> hello everyone [19:04] *** cbm has joined #lounge [19:04] <SoonerGryffindor> hey cbm [19:04] <cbm> Hi [19:04] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [19:04] <Joyhawk2121> hey cbm [19:04] <fawkes28> hey joy and cbm [19:05] <fawkes28> and aislinn [19:05] <SoonerGryffindor> hey Aislinn [19:05] <Joyhawk2121> hello fawkes [19:05] <Aislinn> Hi! [19:06] <SoonerGryffindor> I am going to be AWOL for a moment.... reading over the excellent questions that Aislinn wrote for tonight's chat [19:06] <cbm> The notice still had the P3 chat on it, so I almost forgot about this [19:07] <SoonerGryffindor> whoops [19:07] <cbm> lol [19:07] <SoonerGryffindor> of course, I dont have access to change that [19:07] <cbm> fawkes reminded me [19:09] <fawkes28> yes, i did [19:09] <fawkes28> and here you are! [19:09] <cbm> yep [19:09] <cbm> I came home and plugged my computer in [19:11] <SoonerGryffindor> woohoo [19:11] <SoonerGryffindor> I just finished reading the questions. Wow guys, I can already tell this is going to be a great chat [19:12] *** nympheart has joined #lounge [19:12] <Aislinn> hey nymph [19:12] <nympheart> hello [19:12] <SoonerGryffindor> hello nymph [19:12] <cbm> too bad I will not be here for all of it sad [19:12] <Joyhawk2121> hello nymph [19:12] <Aislinn> awww, postpone whatever you have to leave for, cbm! biggrin [19:12] <fawkes28> hi nymph [19:12] * SoonerGryffindor looks up a sticking charm to place on cbm [19:12] <nympheart> lol [19:12] <fawkes28> yes, we know you would rather hang out with us [19:13] <nympheart> I'm going to call this studying for AP English [19:13] <cbm> I need to go to the gym [19:13] <nympheart> cbm, here you're making your mind work out which is far more important smile [19:13] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [19:13] <fawkes28> no, you don't, cbm [19:13] <fawkes28> you just get hand weights while i am posting the rules [19:14] <fawkes28> and maybe even throw in some jumping jacks [19:14] <cbm> Yes I do! I blew it offthe last 2 days to work on something else [19:14] <SoonerGryffindor> hehehe [19:14] <fawkes28> i like my suggestion better [19:14] <SoonerGryffindor> run a lap around your chair everytime you post a comment [19:14] <fawkes28> LOL [19:14] <nympheart> lol [19:14] <cbm> ha ha [19:16] * nympheart thinks that if she whispered, there would be an echo [19:16] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [19:16] <SoonerGryffindor> well, the problem is that we didnt get the announcements up till the last minute [19:19] *** Shard has joined #lounge [19:19] <nympheart> hi shard [19:19] <SoonerGryffindor> hey Shard [19:19] <Shard> Hello all smile [19:19] <Joyhawk2121> hello shard [19:19] <SoonerGryffindor> we are about to start [19:19] <SoonerGryffindor> OKay, anyone here really need us to post the rules? [19:20] <fawkes28> i think i am good [19:20] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [19:20] <fawkes28> i will try to behave [19:20] <Joyhawk2121> I'm good too [19:20] <SoonerGryffindor> okay, no one typr for a moment then [19:20] <nympheart> I'm very bad [19:20] <SoonerGryffindor> Fear - an emotion that can range from mild nervousness to incapacitating terror. From the very first chapter of PS/SS on, there are a variety of fears expressed throughout the Potter series. We have seen the wizarding world so fearful of a dark wizard that they are unable to utter his name; fear of creatures, fear of not fitting in or being good enough, fear of loss of control, fear of punishment and death, in short - th [19:20] *** Dreamteam has joined #lounge [19:20] <cbm> I ussually use the time to get a drink [19:20] <SoonerGryffindor> Fear can be used to control others, or prevent someone from moving forward. In the wizarding world, a person's greatest fears take actual shape when confronted with a boggart. Learning how to face fears and overcome them is part of what the children learn as they progress through the years at Hogwarts. Tonight, let's discuss the causes and effects of fear, and how it is dealt with through Harry Potter [19:20] <SoonerGryffindor> The wizarding world is so afraid of Lord Voldemort, they can not even bring themselves to say his name. What do you think they are afraid will happen if they do say his name? [19:21] <cbm> that he will pop out of no where and get them [19:21] <SoonerGryffindor> its like the boogie man, isnt it? [19:21] <Aislinn> I think you're right, cbm [19:21] <fawkes28> that something bad will happen [19:21] <Aislinn> they're so afraid of him, they see him as almost omnipotent [19:21] <nympheart> I think because of all of the magic in their world, they would be very superstisious [19:22] <fawkes28> it is just a superstition like crossing the path of a black cat [19:22] <SoonerGryffindor> that is a good point nymph [19:22] <Aislinn> Jo said something in an interview once [19:22] <Dreamteam> I don't think they're afraid of what will happen, just that he will gain prominence in their thoughts, naming him brings him closer [19:22] <Aislinn> She related it to the tribes in Africa, where a person's true name is associated with their soul [19:23] <Aislinn> they don't say their real names, as if people know them, they can use them to perform magic against that person [19:23] <fawkes28> he has done so much bad, that the name itself is a reminder [19:23] <SoonerGryffindor> that is an interesting point [19:23] <fawkes28> yes, in many cultures a name is a powerful thing [19:23] <cbm> I think he already has prominence in their thoughts as they are all so scared of him [19:23] <Shard> Well in historical sense to say thge name of an Evil one was to bring Bad luck, to draw the Evil eye on yourself and curse yourself [19:23] <SoonerGryffindor> that reminds me of the indian superstition about having pictures taken [19:23] <Aislinn> good point shard [19:24] <Aislinn> yes, sooner, very much like that [19:24] <SoonerGryffindor> What do you think Fudge's greatest fear was, when he was still Minister of Magic? [19:24] <Shard> Probably not being in control [19:24] <Shard> Which is exaclty what happened so I think he got his slice of humble pie [19:24] <SoonerGryffindor> losing his position, I would say [19:24] <cbm> Losing that power [19:25] <nympheart> having his own insecurities revealed to the entire wizarding world [19:25] <Joyhawk2121> I agree losing his power [19:25] <fawkes28> i think of people hating him [19:25] <Aislinn> yes, he seemed to have gotten too comfortable with the role [19:25] *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge [19:25] <cbm> Everything he did was based on holding on to his power and not what was right [19:25] <fawkes28> if people hated him, then he would lose power - it is a domino effect [19:25] <Shard> Also to over confident about his ability [19:25] <Aislinn> he didn't want to have to give it up, and was fighting any way he knew how to hold on to it [19:25] <Shard> He got arrogant [19:25] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, he wants to mislead everyone into thinking everything is all right. Deep down he is afraid that if others see that all is not perfect, then he looks bad [19:25] <Dreamteam> I think he would be afraid of losing what good opinion people had of him, if any [19:25] <SoonerGryffindor> so instead, he sweeps everything under the rug [19:26] <Dreamteam> and that he isn't coping as he knows he should [19:26] <Shard> He rests on his luarels and gets knocked down because of it [19:26] <cbm> He also put too much emphasis on blood in trusting people like the Malfoys [19:26] <fawkes28> He wants popularity too [19:26] <Dreamteam> Yes at any cost [19:26] <Shard> In a way I feel bad for Scrimjeour, I don't think he's bad just unsure of how to handle this bad situation and keep it from being worse [19:26] <nympheart> true, cbm, he liked to surround himself with powerful people like Lucius and DD before OotP [19:27] <Dreamteam> Hmm and yet he's prepared to try to manipulate Harry to keep up appearances [19:27] <fawkes28> you are so right, sooner [19:27] <Shard> You know SoonerG, the Ministry just reminded me of the Aes Sedai, let's Have the Choosen one working for US instead of working for HIM [19:27] <Shard> Fudge was stupid [19:27] <SoonerGryffindor> very true Shard [19:27] <nympheart> I never saw that Shard, cool [19:27] <fawkes28> Fudge was a person at the top - who feared losing his power big time [19:27] <fawkes28> and he made selfish decisions [19:28] <Joyhawk2121> yes he made some bad decisions [19:28] <SoonerGryffindor> too true fawkes [19:28] <fawkes28> and selfish decisions really affect the whole community [19:28] <Aislinn> that's so true fawkes [19:28] <Joyhawk2121> bye guys I gotta go [19:28] <Aislinn> bye joyhawk [19:28] <cbm> bye [19:28] <fawkes28> bye joy [19:28] <nympheart> ironic how it was fear of losing his power motivated action that lost it for him [19:28] *** Joyhawk2121 left #lounge [] [19:28] <SoonerGryffindor> Its really sad when people at the top do that, because what they end up accomplishing is undermining their own organization and lose all of the respect of those under them [19:29] <SoonerGryffindor> so the very thing they fear the most ends up happening because of their misguided actions [19:29] <cbm> He most more interested in next week than next year [19:29] <Aislinn> once those people learn the truth, at least [19:29] <Aislinn> which is always bound to come out, as it did at the end of OotP [19:29] <fawkes28> you couldn't be more right, sooner [19:29] <SoonerGryffindor> yes. We see a much different Fudge at the start of HBP [19:29] <fawkes28> yes, the truth always come back to hurt you [19:30] <SoonerGryffindor> Voldemort is quite skilled in spreading fear as a means of furthering his own agenda. What ways have we seen this impact the wizarding government? [19:30] <fawkes28> yes, he lost his job because he was so greedy for power [19:30] <Shard> I agree Sooner, the problem is the Ministry wants to be on top, like the Aes Sedai, and they can't be humble enough to ask what should they do. They want to keep up appearances when they should be asking for Help. So it's no wonder Britain is the only country fighting this at the moment, DD would have others but the Ministry wants to fix it all on their own [19:30] *** SeverineSnape has joined #lounge [19:30] <nympheart> well, the fear of LV's return put a new person in the Minister's seat [19:30] <Shard> Well for starters I would say seeing Fudge thrown out of office, after spending a year ifgnoring his return [19:30] <fawkes28> hey severine [19:30] <nympheart> hi Severine [19:31] *** Greeneyes15 has joined #lounge [19:31] <fawkes28> Fear is used to play upon people's weaknesses [19:31] <SoonerGryffindor> reeat of last question: Voldemort is quite skilled in spreading fear as a means of furthering his own agenda. What ways have we seen this impact the wizarding government? [19:31] <cbm> just by his acts of terror, I think that the murder of Bones, is what allowed Rufus to become minister [19:31] <fawkes28> some people would rather follow their leader - because of fear of retribution [19:31] <Shard> The ministry has become useless unfortunatly [19:32] <nympheart> Scrimgeor has decieved the population into thinking that he's getting things under control to keep the masses from panicing [19:32] <Dreamteam> They want to be seen as giving protection and guidance, hence the booklets, even when the advice is of no use [19:32] <Shard> And that mass panic is what Voldemort wants [19:32] <cbm> So instead of someone who was seen as competent, we get someone who thinks it is a good idea to have stan shunpike in jail [19:33] <Aislinn> exactly cbm [19:33] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL cbm [19:33] <Dreamteam> Yes, they're going for quantity instead of quality [19:33] <Aislinn> appearances become so much more importance than substance [19:33] <Greeneyes15> totally cbm [19:33] <nympheart> It has factioned the government into parts, those loyal to the MoM, those loyal to DD, and those who just want to hide [19:33] <Shard> And they want to use Harry as a poster boy [19:34] <SoonerGryffindor> Voldemort is a great manipulator, isnt he? [19:34] <Aislinn> making people think that they are leading and making a difference, when all they are doing is choosing what is easy over what is right [19:34] <cbm> use him as a poster boy so they can seem like they are doing something [19:34] <nympheart> He certainly is, sooner [19:34] <Shard> Very good, and Lucius has been an excellent lap dog in that regard, helping to sow the seeds [19:34] <fawkes28> that is a great point, Aislinn [19:34] <SoonerGryffindor> good point Shard. Lucius was very instrumental in this [19:35] <SoonerGryffindor> The Dursleys won't allow Harry to mention anything related to wizardry in their home. What are they afraid will happen if he does? [19:35] <cbm> Lucius served Voldemort well until he was caught at the ministry [19:35] *** SeverineSnape has quit [Bye] [19:35] <fawkes28> Voldemort plays on people's weaknesses - and uses his power to make his own decisions and what is beneficial to himself [19:35] <SoonerGryffindor> Oh, I think that we could have an entire chat just on this [19:35] *** Greeneyes15 has quit [Bye] [19:35] <nympheart> they're afraid someone will overhear and learn that they're associated with "freaks" [19:35] <Dreamteam> They think that encouraging his magic will strengthen him [19:35] <cbm> maybe that he will do magic [19:35] <Shard> That someone will hear and see thath they have "Unnaturalness" in their hoome and by extention that they are themselves freaks like Harry [19:35] <nympheart> ooh, I like that Dreamteam [19:36] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it goes back to whatever secred Petunia may be harboring as well [19:36] <SoonerGryffindor> *secret [19:36] <Aislinn> I think that's it, shard [19:36] <Shard> Hey Sooner that's a good idea smile [19:36] <Aislinn> they are so obsessed with keeping up appearances [19:36] <cbm> actually I think it is to reinforce the appearance of them being normal [19:36] <Shard> Just like the Ministr is [19:36] <SoonerGryffindor> for that matter, they are insanely afraid of being seen as anything other than "perfectly normal" [19:36] <fawkes28> they just like to stay in their own little bubble [19:36] <Aislinn> they seem to have a rabid fear of being seen as "not normal" [19:37] <Aislinn> snap, sooner biggrin [19:37] <Dreamteam> yes Sooner to the point of being 'abnomal' [19:37] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [19:37] <fawkes28> some people would rather go about there merry way pretending nothing is going on around them [19:37] <Shard> So true Fawkes [19:37] <SoonerGryffindor> still, it makes you wonder why they fear this [19:38] <SoonerGryffindor> is it fear of not fitting in, or something deeper? [19:38] <cbm> I guess they are a lot like fudge in wanting it to appear that everything is normal [19:38] <Aislinn> I wonder if they were made fun of as kids [19:38] *** petoola has joined #lounge [19:38] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome petoola [19:38] <Aislinn> so they have a strong need to fit in [19:38] <Dreamteam> Its that good old fear of the unknown [19:38] <nympheart> They're control freaks too, they want complete control over everything under their roof, i think that's why Petunia cleans so much [19:38] <petoola> hi [19:38] <Dreamteam> They don't understand magic so they're scared of it [19:38] <nympheart> Since they can't control what magic does, they've decided to eliminate it [19:38] <SoonerGryffindor> In what ways have we seen Harry make use of the Dursleys fears in standing up for himself and what he needs? [19:38] <fawkes28> you know, i never realized how many people are like this in the series - just wanting to keep up appearances sake [19:39] <Aislinn> I loved the evolution we see in Harry over the course of the books [19:39] <Shard> He used his Sirius Godfather on them, polus the fact that they didn't know at first he couldn't use magic at home [19:39] <nympheart> In using Sirius as blackmail, Harry ensured he'd get to eat regular meals [19:39] <SoonerGryffindor> I love it when Harry uses Sirius against them [19:39] <Shard> So Harry has used the threat of magic over them [19:39] <cbm> It is time for me to go sad byr [19:39] <nympheart> bye cbm [19:39] <Aislinn> he puts up with their bullying early on, but later figures out how to make use of his wizarding life to stop the bullying [19:39] <SoonerGryffindor> nonononon [19:39] <fawkes28> i second that nononono [19:40] <cbm> yes bye [19:40] <Aislinn> aww, bye cbm [19:40] <SoonerGryffindor> Moody also uses fear against Vernon [19:40] <fawkes28> bye cbm sad [19:40] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [19:40] <nympheart> He uses the Dursley's fear of him to go to the World Cup [19:40] <Aislinn> yes, that's a good point sooner [19:40] <SoonerGryffindor> one of my favorite scenes is when the Order intimidate Vernon [19:40] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [19:40] <Aislinn> that's the one I really love nymph [19:40] <fawkes28> hey cloudpic [19:40] <SoonerGryffindor> heya cloudpic [19:40] <nympheart> hi cloudpic [19:40] <cloudpic> Hi everyone! [19:40] <Aislinn> Harry is so skillful at maneuvering Vernon, witih his fears, into giving harry what he wants [19:41] <SoonerGryffindor> well, the more you are afraid of something, the easier it is for someone to use that against you [19:41] <fawkes28> he does it skillfully too [19:41] <SoonerGryffindor> What do you think Dudley saw when he was approached by the Dementor? [19:41] *** kpotter has joined #lounge [19:41] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome kpotter [19:41] <cloudpic> That's so much fun to guess! [19:41] <nympheart> something magic related [19:42] <SoonerGryffindor> this is the 50,000 question, isnt it? [19:42] <fawkes28> that is a good question [19:42] <petoola> an empty fridge [19:42] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL petoola [19:42] <nympheart> lol petoola [19:42] <Aislinn> hahaha - good one [19:42] <Shard> I think he saw something magical happening to him that he had blocked out [19:42] <fawkes28> i think it was most likely something very serious [19:42] <cloudpic> Dudley seems to be afraid if no one's watching his back...? [19:42] <Aislinn> I wonder if it was the piggy tail [19:42] <nympheart> I think it was the pig's tail [19:42] <SoonerGryffindor> maybe he has been made fun of for his weight? [19:42] <Shard> Maybe even the Pig tail, maybe someone picked on him for that tail [19:42] <fawkes28> otherwise he would not react as strongly as he did [19:42] <nympheart> lol Aislinn [19:42] <Aislinn> great minds, nymph [19:43] <cloudpic> You're likely right, Fawkes [19:43] <nympheart> and Shard too! [19:43] <Shard> smile [19:43] <SoonerGryffindor> well, getting that diet notice from the school nurse was probably a nightmare for him as well [19:43] <Shard> I mean he would have had to hide that from his friends [19:43] <cloudpic> Really, though, he's very used to having protection...of his parents or his thugs...maybe it's facing something alone? [19:43] *** ProngsPatronus has joined #lounge [19:43] <SoonerGryffindor> heya Prongs [19:43] <nympheart> I don't know, meeting a half giant and sprouting an extra, and humiliating, body part is hard to beat [19:43] <nympheart> hi Prongs [19:43] <ProngsPatronus> hello! [19:44] <fawkes28> hey prongs [19:44] <Dreamteam> I don't think its as 'normal' as his weight or diet, otherwise JKR would have said so [19:44] <Aislinn> Hi Prongs [19:44] <Dreamteam> it has to be something to do with the magical world [19:44] <Shard> And that was an 11 year old [19:44] <petoola> hmmmaybe duds is magical but doesn't dare tell his parents because of how badly they treat Harry [19:44] <petoola> doubt it though [19:44] <cloudpic> So, Dreamteam, you think it's something which would give away something we'll learn in DH? [19:44] * nympheart thinks Dudley's the one who will show magical powers late in life [19:45] <Shard> I could swear Jo said no to that Nymph [19:45] <petoola> that would be kind of funny nymph [19:45] <Shard> That what we saw is what we get with Dudley [19:45] <Dreamteam> yes, cp but don't know what, JKR was asked whether there was more to him than meets the eye and she said No [19:45] *** Punky has joined #lounge [19:45] <cloudpic> So, petoola, nympheart wouldn't be surprised [19:45] <Aislinn> hi Puhttp://www.leakylounge.com/style_images/1/folder_rte_images/bold.gif Boldnky smile [19:45] <SoonerGryffindor> Do you think Umbridge is afraid? What is she afraid of? [19:45] <Dreamteam> centaurs [19:45] <nympheart> centaurs [19:45] <Punky> Hi! [19:45] <cloudpic> Huh. Maybe it's a fear of something happening to Petunia? [19:45] <Dreamteam> LOL [19:46] <ProngsPatronus> being impotent [19:46] <nympheart> hi punky [19:46] <fawkes28> hey punky [19:46] <ProngsPatronus> hey, punky [19:46] <Aislinn> I think a loss of control scares the bejeesus out of her [19:46] <fawkes28> i think she fears not having power too and being in the background somewhere [19:46] <Shard> Centuars [19:46] <Shard> Halfbreeds [19:46] <Shard> Because I think she is one herself [19:46] <Dreamteam> LOL Shard [19:46] <SoonerGryffindor> I think she has spent lots of time sucking up to Fudge. She fears him loosing power [19:46] <nympheart> interesting shard [19:46] *** SulkySkrewt has joined #lounge [19:46] *** UKray has joined #lounge [19:46] * cloudpic wonders if her mother kissed a toad...? [19:47] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome sulky [19:47] <fawkes28> i think she fears being an old lady all alone and no one remembering her name or who she is [19:47] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome UKray [19:47] <Aislinn> hi folks [19:47] * Shard can't comment on what he thinks Umbridge was doing with Fudge [19:47] <petoola> hi [19:47] <UKray> thanks, guys [19:47] <fawkes28> lol [19:47] <ProngsPatronus> hey, skulky, ukray [19:47] <SoonerGryffindor> repeat of last question: Do you think Umbridge is afraid? What is she afraid of? [19:47] <Shard> hi all [19:47] <Shard> Seriously Disorder [19:47] <SoonerGryffindor> I think she is one of the most fearful characters in the books [19:47] <UKray> great question! She's mostly afraid of taking a true look at herself because she knows she would hate what she sees. [19:47] <SulkySkrewt> Hello everyone. This is new for me...worries [19:48] <SoonerGryffindor> np sulky [19:48] <nympheart> there's no reason to worry [19:48] <cloudpic> She seems to want to stamp out anything she can't control. Starting with Harry [19:48] <Dreamteam> hi sulky [19:48] <fawkes28> i think she has a lot of fears - people who make other people feel bad usually have very low self-esteem [19:48] <cloudpic> Hey, Sulky! [19:48] <Aislinn> I agree cloudpic [19:48] <ProngsPatronus> I do really think that she fears being impotent-- look at the way she manipulates and controls her environment and the people around her [19:48] <nympheart> I think she's afraid of being manipulated [19:48] <SoonerGryffindor> just answer the questions we ask, or you dont have to. You can just read everyone's answers and add your thoughts [19:48] <UKray> plus, if she doesn't have power, she's got nothing. Power is her whole identity [19:48] <SoonerGryffindor> agreed UKray [19:49] <kpotter> I think her fear is losing control of anything - she needs her world to be a certain way and uses people to make that happen - needs power to feel secure [19:49] <Aislinn> very true [19:49] <cloudpic> She wasn't able to "magic" away the twins' chaos.. so she may not be as powerful as she'd like magically and makes up for it in politics [19:49] <Shard> Agreed kpotter [19:49] <Aislinn> I wondered about that, cloudpic [19:49] <Dreamteam> I think Shard was right with halfbreeds, she's worried that they will gain in power and that humans will lose power [19:49] <Shard> The more she tried to control the less control she had [19:49] <Aislinn> she doesn't seem to have much in the way of magical ability [19:49] <nympheart> she's also not as smart as she thinks she is [19:50] <Dreamteam> I don't think she's very powerful at all magically [19:50] <UKray> Maybe because she's only read out of books and never actually practiced much! [19:50] <Shard> She does have a huge thing about halfbreeds doesn't she Dreamteam? [19:50] <Dreamteam> She has a very short wand and short stubby fingers, those with magical power have longer fingers in the books [19:50] <Aislinn> good point, dreamteam [19:50] <UKray> She can recite Slinkhart but not actually do anything he says! [19:50] <SoonerGryffindor> you have a good point Dreamteam. I think her lack of skill might be a big part of the problem. She is overcompensating [19:50] <cloudpic> Oh, yeah, UKray... she sure doesn't want anyone to do much else. *hmpff* [19:51] <SoonerGryffindor> In PoA, we saw the greatest fears of the kids expressed as things such as mummies, banshees, and severed hands. Do you think that these fears are the same ones that we would see if they were to face a Boggart now, and if not, what would we see instead? [19:51] <UKray> Although...getting the dementors to do what she wanted must have taken some kind of skill. [19:51] <ProngsPatronus> no [19:51] <Aislinn> I think that some of them were the fears of children [19:51] <nympheart> I think they'd definitely be different [19:51] <Aislinn> now that they are maturing, their fears would change [19:51] <Shard> Harry I think migth still see a Boiggart [19:51] <SoonerGryffindor> I love this question because it brings home how maturity levels change what you fear [19:51] <Punky> I think those fears were typical for their ages and experiences [19:51] <ProngsPatronus> experience brings new and more near fears [19:51] <cloudpic> Scary stories Boggarts [19:51] <Shard> Either that or dead Ginny [19:52] <petoola> agreed they would now fear loss of their friends, lovers etc. [19:52] <cloudpic> Like poor Molly's awful boggart... [19:52] <cloudpic> yes petoola, I agree [19:52] <SoonerGryffindor> as we get older, we leave our chilhood fears behind, but not fear itself. That is one thing that stays constatnt [19:52] <ProngsPatronus> I think Umbridge may figure in those fears now [19:52] <Aislinn> she is a scary figure prongs [19:53] <UKray> I don't think Neville would still see Snape [19:53] <nympheart> Seamus and the Patils have very protective parents, I'm trying to decide if that means their boggarts would be more mature or would still be the same since their parents try harder to shelter them [19:53] <nympheart> I'm sure you're right UKray [19:53] <Aislinn> ooh, interesting thought nymph [19:53] <cloudpic> that's an interesting observation, UKray... he has perhaps outgrown that after the battle [19:53] <SoonerGryffindor> Just like the kids would see something different in the Mirror of Erised, so their boggarts would change [19:53] <UKray> I mean, Snape still is cruel to him, but Neville seems so beyond that now. [19:53] <kpotter> not Umbridge herself, but the idea of authority overstepping its bounds is something to fear prongspatronus [19:54] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Neville might see a Bella unpunished now [19:54] <SulkySkrewt> Do you think that boggarts can help? In the way making people face their fears, giving them a taste of what they might have to face...Sorry about this, very slow typer [19:54] <ProngsPatronus> I think all the things the children are shown to fear are symbols [19:54] *** Love4Fawkes has joined #lounge [19:54] <SoonerGryffindor> np sulky. that is a very good point [19:54] <ProngsPatronus> a mummy? being buried alive [19:54] <cloudpic> Right now, my RL Boggart (is that an oxymoron?) would be my RL Umbridge...her sort is scary. [19:54] <Aislinn> hey Love4Fawkes [19:54] <Love4Fawkes> hi all! [19:54] <UKray> I feel like he would see something related to his parents. Interesting that as we get older, our strength often grows, but we often have to face worse things. I agree, Sooner... [19:54] <Shard> Hi L4Fawkes [19:54] <Aislinn> yes, cloudpic, I have one of those too [19:54] <nympheart> hi Love [19:54] <cloudpic> I like that idea too, SulkySkrewt. [19:54] <SoonerGryffindor> boggarts can help in a way, I think. I think it really helped Neville to face his [19:55] <Aislinn> best thing to do is face them head on though wink [19:55] <SoonerGryffindor> because sometimes you discovere that there wasnt as much to fear as you thought [19:55] <cloudpic> Mastering the boggart form of the fear, then, helps you deal with the real object of your fear? [19:55] <SoonerGryffindor> yes [19:55] <ProngsPatronus> or the real idea [19:55] <petoola> right [19:55] <UKray> Lupin really was a good teacher, wasn't he? smile [19:55] *** NYBookworm has quit [Bye] [19:55] * cloudpic thinks we could use a few boggarts [19:56] <SoonerGryffindor> Why do you think that Hermione is so afraid of failure, when she is such a high achiever? [19:56] <SulkySkrewt> Whatever doesn't kill you can only make you stronger, I think. Like a test against the dementors, Harry managed to know and conquer his fear. Exactly UKray [19:56] <nympheart> She's supposed to be a high achiever, being anything else would let everyone else (and herself) down [19:56] <SoonerGryffindor> I htink one of the reasons she is a high achiever is because of this fear. Does that make sense? [19:56] <Shard> Because she places so much importance on it, that she feels that is the most important thing and if you don't get great grades your not good [19:56] <ProngsPatronus> because failure , in a world where she is already an outcast, would be devastating for her [19:56] <cloudpic> The higher the expectations of others gets about you, the more fearful you may be of disappointing perhaps [19:56] <petoola> usually with kids like that it's because their parents pressure them, but with Hermione not sure [19:56] <kpotter> the fear of the unknown [19:56] <fawkes28> because she has always been good at school - she prides herself on that - i totally relate to her in that way [19:56] <nympheart> yes, it makes sense to me sooner [19:56] <Aislinn> it's her way of combating it, sooner? [19:56] *** Winky05 has joined #lounge [19:56] <Love4Fawkes> I agree sooner, i was trying to think about how to put that into words [19:56] <UKray> Hermione is such a high achiever because she pushes herself so hard, which means she is a perfectionist, which means she is afraid of failure. [19:56] <Shard> SG I think Jo went over this fear in her website\ [19:57] <SoonerGryffindor> I think so Aislin [19:57] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome Winky [19:57] <petoola> I guess it's her identity [19:57] <Aislinn> did she, shard? [19:57] <nympheart> What she has always been praised for and prided in herself is her superior intelligence, without that, she's nothing [19:57] <Aislinn> yes, petoola, I agree [19:57] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, it has become her identity petoola [19:57] <petoola> exactly nymph [19:57] <Dreamteam> I think she's very intelligent and so expects a lot of herself. [19:57] <ProngsPatronus> or she thinks she is nothing [19:57] <Aislinn> her self worth is very tied up in her achievement [19:57] <SulkySkrewt> Is she trying to make up for not being a pureblood, maybe. [19:57] <Shard> Exaclty Nymphheart [19:57] <Dreamteam> She feels that to fail is letting herself down [19:57] <Aislinn> so not achieving would be a blow to that self worth [19:57] <petoola> right sulky [19:57] <fawkes28> no, sulky - it is just who she is [19:57] <Winky05> Hello [19:58] *** kpotter has quit [Bye] [19:58] <Love4Fawkes> i don't think so sulky - she was an overacheiver before she knew about pureblood [19:58] <cloudpic> Remember Hermione in SS/PS when she said it's all books and cleverness... didn't seem to feel that was enough [19:58] <Aislinn> hi winky [19:58] <ProngsPatronus> I think that she was somewhat of an outcast already [19:58] <Aislinn> ooh, good point, cloudpic [19:58] <petoola> true [19:58] <Aislinn> that's often true for the smart kids, prongs [19:58] <ProngsPatronus> yes, it is [19:58] <fawkes28> Hermione can never completely change that about her personality - it is who she is [19:58] <nympheart> I think she had a sense of it though, cloud, even if she didn't know how much it meant to purebloods, she saw herself as an outsider who needed to prove herself [19:58] <SoonerGryffindor> and being an only child of 2 professionals. I bet achievements are highly valued in her family [19:59] <Love4Fawkes> good point sooner [19:59] <cloudpic> You, know Dreamteam, I think Hermione is her own biggest critic [19:59] <ProngsPatronus> and failure is not met with approval, either [19:59] <ProngsPatronus> they expect her to perform [19:59] <SoonerGryffindor> dont you know it [19:59] <UKray> The scene in OOTP when Hermione tells everyone about the Protean charm she used is so interesting. Her first reaction is that everyone hates the idea, when in reality, of course, they're all blow away. [19:59] <Dreamteam> Yes cp I think so, [19:59] <fawkes28> no, sooner - i think she puts it on herself [19:59] <Love4Fawkes> its like in Ootp when she's named a prefect she says that a prefect is something her parents can actually relate to and understand [19:59] <Winky05> Hello [19:59] <fawkes28> i don't think he parents expect it from her [19:59] <Aislinn> good example, ukray [19:59] <SoonerGryffindor> yes UKray, Hermione does still have that inferiority complex [19:59] <SulkySkrewt> Maybe just a person with a thirst for knowledge. Knowledge is power, and who doenst want power? [19:59] <Dreamteam> Yes UKray I think she's surprised that they're impressed [19:59] <Aislinn> Winky05 - hello [20:00] <cloudpic> Hi, Winky! Welcome! We answer the questions in boldface [20:00] <nympheart> I think her parents expected high performance from her when she was younger, and it carried over to the magical world [20:00] <Love4Fawkes> i think her parents motivate her to be that way [20:00] *** janieb has joined #lounge [20:00] <Dreamteam> Maybe to her its not something so special so is surprised when others think it is [20:00] <UKray> It's such an important scene, because she gets the approval of her peers for once: she's not mocked by them or given a grade for it. They're just impressed. [20:00] <petoola> where are her parents anyways? Why do we never see them? [20:00] <SoonerGryffindor> Are Ron's fears indicative of some deeper issues? What might those be? [20:00] <cloudpic> Hermione is just as likely to succumb to self-doubt as Ron [20:01] <UKray> grrr, petoola, that bugs me too [20:01] <ProngsPatronus> ron is supremely insecure [20:01] <cloudpic> Speaking of Ron! LOL [20:01] <petoola> ok so she's going overboard to try and get their attention cause they are never around [20:01] <SoonerGryffindor> Poor Ron, he has a lot of issues [20:01] <Winky05> Hi Cloudpic [20:01] <Aislinn> yes, I think a lot of Ron's fears come from a poor self esteem [20:01] <petoola> lol sooner [20:01] <Shard> Ron's fears is about failure as well and being worthless [20:01] <nympheart> he's afraid of spiders because of the twins, I'd say he's afraid of "finishing last" in his family so to speak [20:01] <Dreamteam> Yeah spiders, but thats understandable [20:01] *** hrh7 has joined #lounge [20:01] <Shard> Which is why I relate to him so well [20:01] <petoola> ron has too many older brothers to keep up with [20:01] <UKray> the twins are so great for so many people, but not for Ron... [20:01] <Aislinn> he is a member of such a dynamic family, with lots of high achievers [20:01] <Shard> You know I think Ron has moved beyond Spiders [20:01] <SulkySkrewt> Is it because he competes or feels he needs to, with his bros? [20:01] <fawkes28> he fears never being his own person - he is always living in everyone's shadow [20:01] <Aislinn> hard for him to feel valuable among all that [20:02] <SoonerGryffindor> Ron's positiion being the 6th son has to be hard [20:02] <Shard> I agree Aislinn [20:02] <cloudpic> Ron's fears all seem to stem from looking bad in the eyes of others.. but, bless him, he faces those fears [20:02] <SoonerGryffindor> and then he ends up best friend to a legend [20:02] *** unicorn has joined #lounge [20:02] <Love4Fawkes> i agree with both of you aislinn and fawkes [20:02] <ProngsPatronus> the almost seventh son [20:02] <UKray> I always want to give Ron a hug. [20:02] <Shard> He doesn't feel anything he will do will ever measure up to those brothers [20:02] <cloudpic> He went after the spiders and he joined the Quidditch team [20:02] <ProngsPatronus> I see a concordance in that with Neville [20:02] <Aislinn> yes, cloudpic, I love the way he doesn't let his fears overshadow his loyalty [20:02] <UKray> Trying out for the Quidditch team was HUGE. A turning point for him, I think. [20:02] <Dreamteam> True Gryffindor [20:02] <Aislinn> hi unicorn [20:03] <cloudpic> Hello, unicorn, welcome! [20:03] <SoonerGryffindor> So the twins turn a source of comfort into something really scary. I can see why spiders were his boggart [20:03] <Love4Fawkes> yes UKray, and even then he was afraid Fred and George would laugh at him [20:03] <Shard> Exaclty Sooner [20:03] <UKray> this is my first CB, by the way. It's fun! smile [20:03] <SulkySkrewt> Agreed ProngsPratronus. Poor Neville, now there's someone with self esteem issues [20:03] <Shard> The Twins did alot of nasty things to their little brother [20:03] <SoonerGryffindor> good to hear that UKray [20:03] <Dreamteam> Hermione also laughed at him though [20:03] <Aislinn> OMG, sooner, if my brothers had done that to me, I'd be a basket case around spiders [20:03] <Shard> Burning a hole in his tongue, givbing him a phobia AND nearly killing him with the UV [20:03] <Dreamteam> she thought it was funny that he was scared of spiders [20:03] *** AmrywoDdyddiauHeulog has joined #lounge [20:03] <cloudpic> I'm so glad to see some new faces here in the booth... [20:03] <Aislinn> glad you joined us ukray! [20:04] <SoonerGryffindor> I bet his boggart is different now [20:04] *** MollyIsUnderrated has joined #lounge [20:04] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome Amry [20:04] <UKray> I think Hermione laughed because she thought it was cute. smile [20:04] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome Molly [20:04] <Aislinn> hi amry, molly [20:04] *** hrh7 has quit [Bye] [20:04] <cloudpic> Must go... hope to come back [20:04] <Dreamteam> Yes, the forest desensitised him to some extent [20:04] *** cloudpic has quit [Bye] [20:04] <Shard> Yeah SG I think it's either dead Hermione or Hermione going off with Krum and laughing at him [20:04] <SoonerGryffindor> bye cloudpic [20:04] <Dreamteam> if you can face an acromantual, a garden spider is nothing [20:04] <MollyIsUnderrated> Hello! It will take me a little while to get used to this...first time chatter! [20:04] <UKray> Isn't it interesting that F&G have been so bad for Ron's self-esteem at the same time they've helped Harry so much? [20:05] <SoonerGryffindor> np. I am the question-asker for this chat, so just follow the questions and you will be just fine [20:05] <fawkes28> welcome, molly!! [20:05] <Aislinn> it is interesting UKray [20:05] <MollyIsUnderrated> Thanks, all! [20:05] <SoonerGryffindor> Why do you think Voldemort is so afraid of death? [20:05] <UKray> nice screenname, Molly! [20:05] <Dreamteam> Death is the ultimate weakness [20:05] <ProngsPatronus> because death is so "unmagical" [20:05] <petoola> that's a good question, you'd think the way he lived would be way worse than death [20:05] <SoonerGryffindor> I think beig raised in an orphanage would make you fear death more than the average person would [20:05] <Shard> BEcause his Magical mother gave in to it so easly [20:05] <MollyIsUnderrated> :  :[20:05] <Shard> That he is afraid that he will be the same way [20:06] <Love4Fawkes> death = weakness and LV needs to prove to himself and others that he is the ultimate power [20:06] <nympheart> it took his mother and she was a witch, he thinks magic can solve anything and since it couldn't in her case, he's afraid of it conquering him [20:06] <fawkes28> i think it does stem back from his mom dying [20:06] <SoonerGryffindor> think about it. -- every kid you know is there cause their parents died [20:06] <Aislinn> I think that let himself be deeply affected by the loss of his mother [20:06] <UKray> because you can't control anybody from beyond the grave. [20:06] <MollyIsUnderrated> I think Voldemort is so afraid of death because he has had nothing in his life *except* his life. No love, no family, no one to remember him when he's gone. [20:06] <Aislinn> he sees her death as a failure [20:06] <MollyIsUnderrated> So once he dies....he's gone. [20:06] <Dreamteam> yes Sooner and they didn't all become Dark Lords [20:06] <Aislinn> oh, that's an excellent point, Molly [20:06] <ProngsPatronus> the thing is---he wasn't really an orphan [20:06] <fawkes28> he truly never got over the death of his mother and it really put a deep fear in him - knowing he was a wizard, he didn't think he should ever have to die [20:06] <SoonerGryffindor> right, but I think that would have started the whole fear thing in his head [20:06] <ProngsPatronus> his father was still alive [20:07] <SoonerGryffindor> and from there, a poisonous seed grew [20:07] <Shard> He didnt know that though [20:07] <nympheart> he wants to be superior to everyone else, the one thing all people have in common is that they live and die, in order to be uncommon, he has decided that he needs to keep from dying [20:07] <MollyIsUnderrated> Thanks. But he thought he was an orphan, and felt so cheated...he killed his father (and grandparents), I think. [20:07] <SoonerGryffindor> Voldemort not only fears death, but he fears being insignificant [20:07] <ProngsPatronus> my point is that, when he killed his father, he made himself an into what he thought he already was--an orphan [20:07] <Aislinn> yes, sooner, I think that is critical for him [20:07] <MollyIsUnderrated> Now that's a point, nympheart. [20:07] <SoonerGryffindor> yes Prongs, that he did [20:08] <petoola> gotta go bye [20:08] <nympheart>  [20:08] <MollyIsUnderrated> "self-fulfilling prophecy"/ [20:08] *** petoola has quit [Bye] [20:08] <Dreamteam> He realised from a very young age that he had power, and couldn't deal with it in a mature way [20:08] <Dreamteam> too much too soon [20:08] <SoonerGryffindor> bye petoola [20:08] <UKray> so, so far, we have people who have become so much of an identity with something that they fear anything that affects it: Umbridge, power; Hermione, school success; Voldemort, immortality. [20:08] <Aislinn> He needs, more than anything else, to prove to the world he is special, because deep down, he doubts it [20:08] <Love4Fawkes> i agree aislinn [20:08] <Dreamteam> good point aislinn [20:08] <SoonerGryffindor> very good synopsis UKray [20:08] <UKray> thanks. What did we decide on for Ron? smile [20:08] <SoonerGryffindor> urm.... [20:08] <nympheart> being an individual? [20:08] <ProngsPatronus> yes--fear has a way of defining what a person is--unless one overcomes that fear [20:09] <MollyIsUnderrated> Or at least learns to deal with it. [20:09] <Love4Fawkes> LV has allowed his fear to define him [20:09] <Aislinn> and I think that is the difference for Ron - he has worked to overcome his fears, or deal with them [20:09] <SulkySkrewt> Trying to compensate for the loss of family with building a family of his own DE's? [20:09] <UKray> good points [20:09] <Shard> He wants to be popular, unique, everything the Mirror of Erised showed him [20:09] <Dreamteam> Ron: that he didn't live up to his brothers' reputations [20:09] <nympheart> yes, Love, I'd even say it rules him [20:10] *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge [20:10] <ProngsPatronus> I think ron fears that he will never achieve anything on his own--he clutches his few possessions, too, because of that [20:10] *** MafaldaWeasley has joined #lounge [20:10] <Love4Fawkes> you're right nympheart, it does [20:10] <Dreamteam> that he was always going to have to settle for second best [20:10] <fawkes28> i think you are right, prongs [20:10] *** huebbe has joined #lounge [20:10] <Aislinn> hey MafaldaWeasley [20:10] <SoonerGryffindor> What do you think Snape's boggart would be? [20:10] <Aislinn> hi huebbe [20:10] <fawkes28> hehehehe [20:10] <MafaldaWeasley> hello everybody! [20:10] <huebbe> hello all! [20:10] <Winky05> Hello [20:10] <fawkes28> definitely NOT a phoenix [20:10] <huebbe> his father [20:10] <UKray> being on a desert island with Harry and James! [20:10] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [20:10] <nympheart> honestly, exposure. He's a very private person, he doesn't want anyone to ever know what he thinks or how he feels [20:10] <MollyIsUnderrated> ha! [20:10] <huebbe> lol [20:11] <MafaldaWeasley> something dark and cunny and smart [20:11] <Aislinn> Snape is another one who has a need for respect and recognition, indicating insecurity [20:11] <NYBookworm> greying underwear? I don't really know [20:11] <Love4Fawkes> didn't JKR say snape'e boggart would give a lot away, or was that someone elses? [20:11] <fawkes28> lol nevermind i was thinking patronus laugh [20:11] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Aislinn, although everyone has some hysterical answers [20:11] <MafaldaWeasley> ooowww fawkes, me too [20:11] <Dreamteam> no you're right Love4 [20:11] <MafaldaWeasley> [20:11] <UKray> Love, I think JKR was talking about DD's boggart, wasn't it? [20:11] <fawkes28> so i think his boggart would definitely not be seeing Harry dead [20:11] <SoonerGryffindor> Actually, I think it might be [20:12] <Love4Fawkes> i'm not sure UKray, but I don't think it was DD's [20:12] <MollyIsUnderrated> Why, Sooner? [20:12] <Dreamteam> Perhaps being seen as a coward, he did get very upset about that [20:12] <ProngsPatronus> I think Snape's boggart might be james--or someone like him [20:12] <Aislinn> good point, dreamteam [20:12] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that Snape needs for Harry to succeed. I think a dead Harry would scare him [20:12] <MafaldaWeasley> I think his boggart would see Draco dead... [20:12] <Winky05> I think Snape's boggart would be the dark lord. I think he is really afraid of him, but I could be wrong. [20:12] <Aislinn> someone like James making fun of him, prongs [20:12] <MafaldaWeasley> he has made so much effort to rpotect Draco all the time [20:12] <ProngsPatronus> yes [20:12] <Aislinn> like SWM [20:12] <UKray> I don't think Snape cares that much about Draco, though [20:13] <nympheart> because now it means Snape's life too, or something else too Mafalda? [20:13] <Aislinn> I think that was a form of boggart for him [20:13] <UKray> I mean, enough to have him be a boggart [20:13] <huebbe> i agree UK [20:13] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that Snape's boggart might actually be the same as Neville's [20:13] <huebbe> Draco is a tool, not a fear [20:13] <NYBookworm> given that it's important to the story and would give things away I think it must be something to do with his loyalty [20:13] <UKray> tee hee, him in Neville's granny's hat? [20:13] <Aislinn> himself, sooner? [20:13] <MollyIsUnderrated> I think it might be someone he cares about, actually, because it would make him feel/show some emotions he'd rather keep quiet. [20:13] <SoonerGryffindor> yes [20:13] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [20:13] <MafaldaWeasley> I think he has a connection with the Malfoys somehow, but maybe his boggart could be connected with his past as well, his mother maybe [20:13] <SulkySkrewt> Maybe failure of some sort. He seems the kind of person who has taken a wrong path and is trying to make up for it. I dunno [20:13] <NYBookworm> maybe showing him being found out by the side he's not lyaol to? [20:14] <MafaldaWeasley> Nymph, yes now it represents his life as well [20:14] <ProngsPatronus> I think, at the bottom of it all, is exposure of his inner self to the scrutiny of others [20:14] <huebbe> But if you buy into Pince being his mother, he would see her quite often [20:14] <Aislinn> yes, prongs, I agree [20:14] <SoonerGryffindor> facing himself and having to come to terms with who and what he has become would be very scary indeed [20:14] <MollyIsUnderrated> Maybe even Lily, not as a former lover, but as one of the few successful connections he's ever had, and he let her down. [20:14] <UKray> I think you're right, Prongs. His mystery is essential to his identity [20:14] <Aislinn> because he doesn't think it is worthy [20:14] <ProngsPatronus> becuse he knows he is not worthy [20:14] <huebbe> yes, he tried so hard to protect it [20:14] *** Love4Fawkes has quit [Bye] [20:14] <Aislinn> lol [20:15] <MafaldaWeasley> how to preserve yourself from others can be a boggart? I'm trying to understand smile [20:15] <UKray> Yeah, good point, how would it manifest itself? [20:15] <ProngsPatronus> one can be raw to the outside world [20:15] <huebbe> but it can also be a fear on multiple levels, look at Molly's boggart [20:16] <Aislinn> It's hard to picture the form some of these things would take [20:16] <Aislinn> that's true, huebbe [20:16] <SoonerGryffindor> What do you think Draco's boggart would be? [20:16] <huebbe> Harry [20:16] <MafaldaWeasley> I've always considered it as a way things could be seeing, fears or sensetions that could be made into images [20:16] *** KimmyBlair has joined #lounge [20:16] <Dreamteam> LV [20:16] *** Love4Fawkes has joined #lounge [20:16] <fawkes28> hey kimmy [20:16] <nympheart> LV very unhappy [20:16] <SoonerGryffindor> hola Kimmy [20:16] <UKray> Maybe the gray underpants is right, then. Nothing more invasive into one's privacy than that! [20:16] <KimmyBlair> Hello everyone! [20:16] <KimmyBlair> how are you? [20:16] <fawkes28> nice to see ya here [20:16] <ProngsPatronus> finding out he was a Mudblood! [20:16] <Dreamteam> Hi Kimmy [20:16] <huebbe> lol [20:16] <Aislinn> ooh, I like that one, prongs [20:16] <Love4Fawkes> grrr, i pay too much for internet for it to randomly not work! [20:16] <MafaldaWeasley> his parents' death [20:17] <fawkes28> i think Draco fears his parents dying and being left alone [20:17] <huebbe> lol, me too [20:17] <SulkySkrewt> I think for most of the kids,death in the family would be the fear. [20:17] <SoonerGryffindor> I think we have seen that in HBP. What Mafalda said [20:17] <SoonerGryffindor> I bet he also fears being poor [20:17] <Love4Fawkes> i agree fawkes, but more specifically - LV killing his parents [20:17] <Dreamteam> Perhaps poverty and loss of status, the Malfoys are very proud [20:17] <fawkes28> yes, love4fawkes [20:17] <Aislinn> his identity is closely tied to his father and his father's ideology [20:17] <MafaldaWeasley> yes Sooner I think he fears loosing his status [20:17] <ProngsPatronus> I think letting his father down has to figure large in his fears [20:17] <Love4Fawkes> and his father's status [20:17] <nympheart> I think that's possible Mafalda, but because it means his lack of wealth and power just as much as being left alone [20:17] <SoonerGryffindor> I do think it is nice that he did fear for his parents so much. [20:18] <MafaldaWeasley> I agree Porngs. Dracos really looks up to his father [20:18] <fawkes28> i think he also fears himself dying [20:18] <Dreamteam> Yes, shows he's human at least [20:18] <ProngsPatronus> well, it certainly gives him a bit of depth, doesn't it? [20:18] <Dreamteam> and that he has some feelings [20:18] <UKray> I wish I could stay longer, everyone. This is awesome! Thanks for the fun. I'll be back again for sure. [20:18] <Dreamteam> Bye UK [20:18] <SoonerGryffindor> cya UKray [20:18] <nympheart> bye UKray [20:18] <Love4Fawkes> Yes, do come back UK [20:18] <Aislinn> hope you can come back UK [20:18] <MafaldaWeasley> Sure, nymph, but I think the main fear is to lose his parents [20:18] <MollyIsUnderrated> bye UK [20:18] <MafaldaWeasley> bye UK [20:19] <MollyIsUnderrated> You don't think it's Lord V at this point? [20:19] *** UKray has quit [Bye] [20:19] <Winky05> I think Draco is afraid he will let his father down. [20:19] <Aislinn> yes, winky - i think that's a big thing for him [20:19] *** unicorn left #lounge [] [20:19] <MollyIsUnderrated> His cowardice in not killing DD may cost his father somehow [20:19] <SulkySkrewt> Agreed Winky05, he seems to be trying to live up to expectations [20:19] *** AmrywoDdyddiauHeulog has quit [Bye] [20:20] *** SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] [20:20] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [20:20] *** AmrywoDdyddiauHeulog has joined #lounge [20:20] <Love4Fawkes> definately molly [20:20] <SulkySkrewt> When my typing has improved, I'd love to return. Thanks for such a nice welcome for a first timer chatter! Goodnight y'all. [20:20] <nympheart> bye sulky [20:21] <SoonerGryffindor> . Do you think the twins would have the same Boggart and what do you think it would be? [20:21] <Winky05> But, also he is now trying to please LV. He might have to choose one day. It might be his father or LV [20:21] <Dreamteam> Night sulky [20:21] <ProngsPatronus> bye, sulky [20:21] <MafaldaWeasley> bye sulky [20:21] <SoonerGryffindor> bye Sulky, Good to see you here [20:21] <Aislinn> bye sulky [20:21] <Winky05> bye sulky [20:21] <nympheart> I think they'd see each other dead [20:21] <SoonerGryffindor> oooh, that is interesting nymph [20:21] <Aislinn> I agree, nymph [20:21] <ProngsPatronus> I think the other twin dead would be their boggarts [20:21] *** SulkySkrewt has quit [Bye] [20:21] <MollyIsUnderrated> Thanks, Love. (By the way, I'm at work so may need to take my attention away now and then. Darn! But a much faster connection.) [20:21] *** AmrywoDdyddiauHeulog has quit [Bye] [20:21] <MafaldaWeasley> I think their boggarts are different, since they are different on many levels [20:21] *** Punky has quit [Bye] [20:21] <Aislinn> they are such a part of each other [20:21] <Love4Fawkes> i agree mafalda, but they are written as almost one person [20:21] <SoonerGryffindor> so their boggart would be having to go on without the other? [20:22] <ProngsPatronus> being alone [20:22] <Aislinn> I'm so afraid that boggart will come to pass too sad [20:22] <nympheart> I think so, SG [20:22] <Dreamteam> or it could be seeing their parents dead, they were devastated when Arthur was attacked [20:22] <Love4Fawkes> Molly even saw them both dead together when she was trying to defeat that boggart in OOTP [20:22] *** hrh7 has joined #lounge [20:22] <ProngsPatronus> as a twin, that would be excruciating [20:22] <fawkes28> i think being alone is a very real fear for both of them [20:22] <ProngsPatronus> after all, they finish each others' sentences [20:22] <SoonerGryffindor> well, family is important to all of the Weasleys, with one notable exception [20:22] <MafaldaWeasley> I think they act more like complementary parts [20:22] <fawkes28> or perhaps seeing another member of their family dead - i think they took their dad's attack hard [20:22] <Aislinn> yes, Love4Fawkes - I think everyone around them thinks of them as a pair [20:22] <Dreamteam> so they'd only speak in half sentences then if one died? 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[20:23] <Winky05> They are very connected to each other. I never see one without the other.
[20:23] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [20:23] <nympheart> I think it would almost be like being half a person, Dreamteam [20:23] *** AmrywoDdyddiauHeulog has joined #lounge [20:23] <Dreamteam> yes, weird [20:23] <SoonerGryffindor> Behind seeing each other dead, I tink they would very much fear a boring ministry job [20:23] <Aislinn> the thought of just one of them without the other is just too heartbreaking for words [20:23] <Love4Fawkes> me too aislinn. i can't think about it [20:23] <MafaldaWeasley> Yes Sooner, they would fear being in a box [20:23] <ProngsPatronus> the twins are more than the sum of their parts [20:24] <Aislinn> yes, prongs, they are [20:24] <SoonerGryffindor> What do you think Hagrid's boggart would be? [20:24] <Winky05> It sure is. I don't like to think about that at all. [20:24] <MollyIsUnderrated> Dolores Umbridge! [20:24] <MafaldaWeasley> Hogwarts closed, Harry dead [20:24] <Dreamteam> Harr dead [20:24] <SoonerGryffindor> I think we saw Hagrid's boggart come to life at the end of HBP [20:24] <cloudpic> I think he's seen it.... Dumbledore's death. [20:24] <nympheart> Hmm. The Forbidden Forest burned? [20:24] <Love4Fawkes> me too sooner [20:24] <ProngsPatronus> I think Hagrid's boggart has already come to pass [20:24] <Aislinn> I think we have too [20:24] <cloudpic> LOL... great minds Sooner! [20:24] <SoonerGryffindor> yep cloudpic. Read my mind [20:24] <MollyIsUnderrated> I think you're right, Cloudpic [20:24] <Aislinn> he was so devoted to Dumbledore [20:24] <MollyIsUnderrated> (I was just joking, before) [20:24] <ProngsPatronus> great minds, sooner! [20:24] <fawkes28> i think he fears harry dead above all else [20:24] <Aislinn> "great man, DUmbledore" [20:24] <KimmyBlair> that is a really really good plan [20:24] <cloudpic> hahaha... poor Hagrid [20:24] <Shard> I agree I think it was Dead Albus [20:24] <cloudpic> We've got him nailed. [20:25] <SoonerGryffindor> poor Hagrid [20:25] <SoonerGryffindor> he is pretty easy to figure out [20:25] <fawkes28> but boggarts change and now i think it is Harry dead [20:25] <huebbe> too true [20:25] <cloudpic> But now that he's lost Dumbledore... I expect it'd be seeing the Trio the way Molly saw her family... in a terrible sequence [20:25] <nympheart> would a person's boggart still be the same after you've experienced it? [20:25] <Love4Fawkes> right fawkes, his old boggart is no longer a fear, but reality [20:25] <MafaldaWeasley> Don't you guys think he had been prepared for it? I've always saw Hagrid as somebody that knew more of DD than anyone else, DD said he would trust his life to Hagrid, [20:25] <SoonerGryffindor> that is a good question nymph [20:25] <KimmyBlair> well it depends Nymph... [20:25] <KimmyBlair> harry's is a dementor [20:26] <huebbe> I dont think so...look at Ron [20:26] <Aislinn> I think it would shift [20:26] <KimmyBlair> he's seen a demenotr... but it's still his [20:26] <MafaldaWeasley> Harry's boggart is fear [20:26] <huebbe> he still fears spiders [20:26] <nympheart> In Remus's case, he has to go on with it the rest of his life, but someone can only die once [20:26] <KimmyBlair> yeah [20:26] <Love4Fawkes> i think it would shift depending on what your current worst fear was [20:26] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it depends on your boggart [20:26] <KimmyBlair> or you could expeirnece it and fight it not that bad... [20:26] <cloudpic> Yeah, it really must be something which changes... [20:26] <KimmyBlair> or your fears can change [20:26] <huebbe> current yes, I agree with that [20:26] *** hrh7 has quit [Bye] [20:26] <Aislinn> I think if the fear is the death of someone you love, and that person dies, then the greatest fear would shift to something else that you dread happening [20:26] <KimmyBlair> when i was little i was afraid of fireworks, but now i'm not [20:27] <huebbe> I really think it is situational [20:27] <SoonerGryffindor> yes Aislinn, I would agree with that. So depending on your boggart, it could change like that [20:27] <SoonerGryffindor> What do you think McGonagall's boggart would be? [20:27] <huebbe> Harry only feared the Dementors because he knew about them then, what would it have been pre Dementors...different [20:27] <MafaldaWeasley> so you guys think that boggart changes as the patronus can change as well...interesting [20:27] <cloudpic> Yeah.. each boggart (and there must be many!) must tap into who you are now [20:27] <ProngsPatronus> I think his boggart now would be leaving Hogwarts [20:27] <cloudpic> Good point huebbe! [20:27] <KimmyBlair> Snape winning the Quiddich cup back [20:28] <nympheart> that's a hard one [20:28] <Dreamteam> lol [20:28] <SoonerGryffindor> LohmyL Kimmy [20:28] <cloudpic> LOL, Kimmy! [20:28] <ProngsPatronus> lol kimmy [20:28] <Love4Fawkes> oh yes prongs, homeless [20:28] <fawkes28> perhaps voldemort taking over hogwarts? [20:28] <KimmyBlair> i agree fawkes [20:28] <Aislinn> I think that's a good one, fawkes [20:28] <Dreamteam> Hogwarts closing down [20:28] <cloudpic> McGonagall might fear seeing the school closed? [20:28] <MafaldaWeasley> I have no idea about MM [20:28] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, I like that one fawkes. [20:28] <Dreamteam> snap cp [20:28] <huebbe> I think it would have to do with the students, she is very protective in that respect [20:28] <cloudpic> Oh, I like that fawkes! voldie at Hogwarts...LOL Dreamteam! [20:29] <nympheart> especially the Gryffindors [20:29] <huebbe> yes [20:29] <ProngsPatronus> I think that there being no more Hogwarts would be McG's boggart [20:29] <SoonerGryffindor> I say either Voldemort taking over Hogwarts or being shorter than Umbridge [20:29] <Aislinn> or it could be Dolores being reinstated over the school, now that Dd is gone [20:29] <SoonerGryffindor> that would scare her bad [20:29] <nympheart> I dont [20:29] <nympheart> I don't think she was sure if she wanted it open after DD's death [20:29] <Dreamteam> that would scare anyone aislinn [20:30] <Aislinn> yes it would! [20:30] <Love4Fawkes> Oh, Dolores Umbridge would be a boggart for anyone [20:30] <ProngsPatronus> cold [20:30] <huebbe> LOL [20:30] <MafaldaWeasley> I agree Nymph [20:30] <cloudpic> Isn't it funny, we're having much more trouble with this 70+ woman.... she is rather dauntless isn't she! [20:30] <AmrywoDdyddiauHeulog> fawkes28: Yes, Dolores being reinstated could definitely be MM's bogart! if they can be situations as much as people. [20:30] <KimmyBlair> but i think McG would know that umbridge wouldn't last [20:30] *** Winky05 has quit [Ping timeout] [20:30] <SoonerGryffindor> What do you think Dumbledore's boggart would be? [20:30] <Aislinn> she is cloudpic [20:30] <SoonerGryffindor> Dead Harry [20:30] <nympheart> I think it was Harry dead [20:30] *** janieb has quit [Bye] [20:30] <huebbe> Harry dead [20:30] <Aislinn> I agree [20:30] <fawkes28> harry dead and voldemort alive [20:30] <MafaldaWeasley> No loaylty anywhere [20:31] <huebbe> loss of love [20:31] <Love4Fawkes> LV taking over [20:31] <Shard> Jo answered that one [20:31] <SoonerGryffindor> no love in the world (although I have no idea how that would manifest) [20:31] <cloudpic> The Wizarding World battling like the giants... until all are killed off [20:31] <Love4Fawkes> oh that's a good one huebbe [20:31] <Shard> Voldemort in all his power [20:31] <Dreamteam> a world full of socks and earwax Bertie Botts beans [20:31] <MafaldaWeasley> did she Shard? [20:31] <cloudpic> What did she say?? [20:31] <Love4Fawkes> oh really shard? [20:31] <huebbe> lol dreamteam [20:31] <SoonerGryffindor> did she? [20:31] * cloudpic waits patiently [20:31] <ProngsPatronus> voldemort triumphant, wasn't it? [20:31] * fawkes28 waits with baited breath [20:32] *** Winky05 has joined #lounge [20:32] <Aislinn> yeah, I think you're right [20:32] <Love4Fawkes> that makes sense [20:32] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it would be a lack of socks [20:32] <cloudpic> Sounds right [20:32] <Love4Fawkes> lol sooner [20:32] <ProngsPatronus> a sockless world... [20:32] <Dreamteam> lol [20:32] <Shard> I'll go look it up [20:32] <huebbe> what is it with SOCKS???? [20:32] <SoonerGryffindor> yes [20:32] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [20:32] <MafaldaWeasley>  [20:32] <SoonerGryffindor> Harry seems at times to have more fear dealing with his feelings for girls as he does facing dragons or Voldemort himself. Why is this such a fear for him? [20:32] <KimmyBlair> if i met Jo i would ask her about the socks [20:33] <cloudpic> LOL.... the ultimate comfort, huebbe! [20:33] <KimmyBlair> it's a fear for every teenage boy [20:33] <AmrywoDdyddiauHeulog> Before I joined, did you discuss the grand question ... Snape's bogart? I suppose that one's been done to ... well, done a lot. [20:33] <huebbe> he is an adolecsent [20:33] <cloudpic> And he had no sisters [20:33] <Aislinn> we did discuss that one, amry [20:33] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, we already talked about Snape [20:33] <fawkes28> he doesn't think he is anyone special - which is what i absolutely LOVE about Harry [20:33] <huebbe> he can be brave...but he can't deal with puberty [20:33] <Love4Fawkes> sometimes dealing with feelings is the most scary thing we can do [20:33] <SoonerGryffindor> its really sad though that he would rather face another dragon than a girl [20:33] <KimmyBlair> good point cloudpic [20:33] <ProngsPatronus> because he is so clueless about how girls think [20:33] <Dreamteam> dealing with girls means they could reject him, dragons don't care who they deal with [20:33] <MafaldaWeasley> yes Love4 [20:33] <nympheart> sad, SG, but cute [20:34] <Aislinn> He spent the first 10 years of his life with no friends [20:34] <SoonerGryffindor> although we see him tackle this fear in HBP *giggle* [20:34] <cloudpic> The dragons are nearly as unpredictable as the average teenaged girl [20:34] *** chocolateisnotforbreakfast has joined #lounge [20:34] <KimmyBlair> i think his fear about girls also was related to his fear of Ron disaproing [20:34] <SoonerGryffindor> heya chocolate [20:34] <Love4Fawkes> i'm an adult and sometimes I'd rather deal with a dragon than a member of the opposite sex [20:34] <cloudpic> *aren't... duh [20:34] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> howdy all! [20:34] <huebbe> he has no one who has ever talked or told him how to love....that's what parents do [20:34] <Aislinn> and even though he has them now, I think that had a powerful influence on how he sees himself [20:34] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> what's the question? [20:34] <KimmyBlair> good point huebee [20:34] <SoonerGryffindor> repeat of question: Harry seems at times to have more fear dealing with his feelings for girls as he does facing dragons or Voldemort himself. Why is this such a fear for him? [20:34] <MollyIsUnderrated> Hi, Chocolate...! Love, I agree entirely! [20:34] <ProngsPatronus> hey, chocolate [20:34] <fawkes28> and it is a normal teenage fear - it is what makes him so real to us [20:34] <huebbe> yes fawkes [20:34] <SoonerGryffindor> I love that he is scared to death of girls [20:34] <Aislinn> yes fawkes [20:35] <Love4Fawkes> oh yes fawkes [20:35] <Love4Fawkes> lol, we are a scary sex [20:35] <SoonerGryffindor> he gets to be normal and fear normal things [20:35] <Winky05> He's not scared of Hermione, but then maybe he does not see her as a girl. [20:35] <SoonerGryffindor> lol love [20:35] <huebbe> it puts him into the "everyman" syndrome even more [20:35] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think fear of rejection is more real than fear of something more large and abstract [20:35] <nympheart> my little brother says that Harry's fame could have something to do with it [20:35] <Aislinn> I don't think her really does, winky, not in that way [20:35] <cloudpic> The girls are also ever present.... [20:35] <Dreamteam> girls means growing up and being able to say the right thing, [20:35] <huebbe> but friends and love interests are quite clear to Harry [20:35] <SoonerGryffindor> it could numph [20:35] <Dreamteam> saying the wrong thing is scary for most people [20:35] <Aislinn> your brother has a good point, nymph [20:35] <SoonerGryffindor> does your brother have a reason as to why boys are so weird? [20:36] <Aislinn> he wouldn't know if someone would like him for him [20:36] <huebbe> Alica, Angelina, Hermonie, Ginny (for at least 5 books) [20:36] <fawkes28> he was never accepted before - now he is carrying the weight of the whole world on his shoulders [20:36] * nympheart isn't sure why her brother had to express an opinion, since he hasn't read most of the books [20:36] *** AmrywoDdyddiauHeulog has quit [Bye] [20:36] <Shard> Ok what it says is that Book 6 holds the cluies to DD's Boggart [20:36] <Love4Fawkes> lol nymph [20:36] <Aislinn> lol nymph [20:36] <SoonerGryffindor> thanks for looking that up Shard [20:36] <nympheart> SG, he says that boys aren't the weird ones [20:36] <MafaldaWeasley> Txs Shard [20:36] <cloudpic> Thank you, Shard [20:36] <SoonerGryffindor> well, but he gives us a boy's POV [20:36] <Shard> So I think the Cave scene may be what she is refering to [20:36] <huebbe> could it be when he is beggining while drinking the potion? I can find the line [20:36] <Aislinn> i think so too, shard [20:37] <huebbe> sorry [20:37] <MafaldaWeasley> yes, it could be shard... [20:37] <SoonerGryffindor> I hope we get that answered [20:37] <cloudpic> Yes.. whatever he was seeing was scaring him. [20:37] <Love4Fawkes> oh yes, i hope we learn about that [20:37] <cloudpic> As do I Sooner [20:37] <SoonerGryffindor> okay.. back on track now [20:37] <SoonerGryffindor> How does Harry deal with his fears, and is it effective? [20:37] <huebbe> he repeated, "not them" [20:37] <Love4Fawkes> its the only time we've ever seen dd scared [20:37] <huebbe> yes, Harry faces them dead on [20:37] <Dreamteam> he faces them head on, talking to Cho took time but he still did it [20:37] <cloudpic> Eventually, it seems like Harry faces them... but not without stressing first [20:37] <SoonerGryffindor> well, not all of them [20:37] <MollyIsUnderrated> I think he deals with them by repressing them, and I wonder how that's going to play out over the years [20:38] <Winky05> He faces his fears head on I think. [20:38] <ProngsPatronus> I think Harry uses action as a way to deal with his fears--he has to "do" something [20:38] <SoonerGryffindor> he does like to procrasinate sometimes [20:38] <fawkes28> Harry has Ron and Hermione but a lot of the time he keeps it in [20:38] <fawkes28> which is not healthy at all [20:38] <Aislinn> I think he just gets on with things [20:38] <fawkes28> thus the blow up in OotP [20:38] <huebbe> agreed sooner, but I think only when it comes to the opposite sex [20:38] <nympheart> In HBP, Harry started fighting them directly as much as possible, and that seems effective, he's been better able to deal with death [20:38] <SoonerGryffindor> when it comes to girls, he does not face things head on [20:38] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [20:38] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> sometimes not - when he doesn't know what to do, he usually goes kind of ballistic and accidentally does what he needs to do [20:38] <MafaldaWeasley> guys, it was nice but I gotta go! G'night to all [20:38] <SoonerGryffindor> night Mafalda [20:38] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> bye mafalda! [20:38] <SoonerGryffindor> thanks for coming [20:38] <Aislinn> right, he does a better job of facing his non-relationship fears [20:38] *** MafaldaWeasley left #lounge [] [20:38] <Dreamteam> night Mafalda [20:38] <Winky05> That's true girls are different for him [20:38] <ProngsPatronus> bye, MW [20:39] <huebbe> yes, falls into it, but it doesn't let it hinder him [20:39] <huebbe> I mean, he doesn't run [20:39] <SoonerGryffindor> and he procrastinated during the TWT [20:39] <nympheart> well, with Ginny he's finally managed to go head-on with girls too [20:39] <ProngsPatronus> he also withdraws [20:39] <Shard> Who are we talking about now? [20:39] <Aislinn> do you think that was fear based, sooner? [20:39] <huebbe> true, but he confronted both when it came down to the wire [20:39] <cloudpic> He avoids facing things which aren't "in his face" ...the tasks in goblet for example [20:39] <huebbe> yes [20:39] <Aislinn> Harry, and how he deals with his fears ,shard [20:39] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i agree cloudpic [20:39] <huebbe> I think of ron in the same situation, and Ron might have bailed [20:40] <SoonerGryffindor> Who would you say is the character who struggles the most with fears in the books? [20:40] <cloudpic> But when the danger is right in front of him... he seems to gain focus and face it [20:40] <huebbe> agreed [20:40] <Love4Fawkes> Nelville [20:40] <Dreamteam> Ron [20:40] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> in HBP, it's Malfoy... [20:40] <huebbe> Ron [20:40] *** sherman has joined #lounge [20:40] <Aislinn> I think it's Ron [20:40] <cloudpic> Oh, my. Molly said in OotP that she was hounded by the sight of all her loved ones dead [20:40] <nympheart> I agree, chocolate [20:40] <SoonerGryffindor> I think overall, it is probably Neville [20:40] <ProngsPatronus> Ron [20:40] *** AmrywoDdyddiauHeulog has joined #lounge [20:40] <Love4Fawkes> that's a good point cloudpic [20:40] <ProngsPatronus> molly would be high on that list, too [20:41] <SoonerGryffindor> so would Harry [20:41] <nympheart> but I think overall, Snape's sort of always fighting to keep himself to himself, but his fight is more subtle [20:41] <huebbe> Ron has the worst self confidence issues and always doubts his worth [20:41] <KimmyBlair> Tonks.... [20:41] <Shard> Thats a tough one [20:41] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> it seems like ginny had a lot of fear to get over in the beginning [20:41] <KimmyBlair> she ws afraid for Lupin the whole book [20:41] <Aislinn> yes, huebbe [20:41] <cloudpic> I don't agree, Sooner, I think Neville is a lot like Harry... facing things after some avoidance? [20:41] <Dreamteam> Ron has so many different fears - spiders, poverty, insecurity, talking to girls etc [20:41] <Shard> Alot of characters are facing and dealing with their fears [20:41] <fawkes28> well, Harry has a great deal of fears - and they certainly arent on the samelevel as anyone else [20:41] <Aislinn> I see him that was too, cloudpic [20:41] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> true, dreamteam [20:41] <ProngsPatronus> what about Peter Pettigrew? [20:41] <Aislinn> way [20:41] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, but they were both so traumatized as babies. [20:41] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> good one prongs... [20:41] <ProngsPatronus> he struggles with his fears a great deal [20:41] <SoonerGryffindor> there is a good example of fearful character [20:41] <cloudpic> hmmm... Peter does seem to make all his decisions based on fear [20:41] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> a lot of what peter does is out of selfish fear for himself and his well being... and his standing [20:42] <huebbe> of course, Fear is the number one emotion every one has and it is the strongest...it comes down to fight or flight. [20:42] <Love4Fawkes> neville always seems fearful [20:42] <fawkes28> no, i disagree about peter [20:42] <Love4Fawkes> well, not so much lately, but in the earlier books [20:42] <fawkes28> he is motivated by power not fear [20:42] *** AmrywoDdyddiauHeulog has quit [Bye] [20:42] <cloudpic> Petunia is a horribly frightened minor character [20:42] <nympheart> LV has spent his entire life trying to conquer his fear [20:42] <huebbe> yeah, cause she knows too much [20:42] *** sherman has quit [Bye] [20:42] <Love4Fawkes> peter only pretended to be afraid [20:42] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Narcissa was frightened in HBP in Spinner's end [20:42] <Aislinn> oh, I think he is motivated in part by fear, fawkes [20:42] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> enough to break a direct order [20:42] <KimmyBlair> true chocolte [20:42] <Love4Fawkes> oh yes nympheart, LV does have a lot of fear [20:43] <cloudpic> Oh, nympheart! that is so true! [20:43] <Dreamteam> Neville was fearful at the beginning but has stood up to his fears more and more from the beginning of Book 1 obwards [20:43] *** AmrywoDdyddiauHeulog has joined #lounge [20:43] <fawkes28> i think the majority is power though - he plays up the fear factor too much [20:43] <Love4Fawkes> yes i agree dreamteam [20:43] <cloudpic> It has governed and dominated his entire life... I vote for Voldie as being the biggest fraidy cat! [20:43] * nympheart is forced to admit that something her brother said sparked the idea [20:43] <huebbe> yes dream, Neville is getting to be a stong character in every passing book [20:43] <KimmyBlair> ohhh good point cloudpic! [20:43] <SoonerGryffindor> Who does the best job of dealing with fear in the books, and why do you choose that person? [20:43] <cloudpic> LOL... you're an ethical sibling, nympheart [20:43] <Love4Fawkes> well it was a good one anyway nymph [20:44] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hehe nice one cloudpic [20:44] <KimmyBlair> I'd say Harry.... [20:44] *** NYBookworm has quit [Bye] [20:44] <ProngsPatronus> Dumbledore, I think [20:44] <fawkes28> Dumbledore [20:44] <Dreamteam> Neville [20:44] <SoonerGryffindor> either Dumbledore or Harry [20:44] <KimmyBlair> he knows he has to kill or be kill... and he continues on with his hed held high [20:44] <SoonerGryffindor> I like that Kimmy [20:44] <Winky05> Harry [20:44] <Aislinn> yes, I'd agree with Dumbledore [20:44] <Shard> Ron, Harry, Dumbledore [20:44] <Love4Fawkes> Hermione runs to the library - its effective sometimes [20:44] <cloudpic> Hermione is fairly methodical with her fears... she recognizes them, things it through or researches it, then acts [20:44] <huebbe> DD [20:44] <KimmyBlair> Thanks Sooner! [20:44] <fawkes28> Dumbledore is my model of how not to lose your cool in situations [20:44] <Aislinn> Harry does emulate DD quite a lot though [20:44] <SoonerGryffindor> oooh! Can I throw Lupin in there also? [20:44] <KimmyBlair> true Couldpic... [20:44] <cloudpic> She went looking for the basilisk [20:44] <KimmyBlair> *cloudpic [20:44] <huebbe> yes fawkes! [20:45] <Shard> However Hermione couldn't face the Boggart, she failed there [20:45] <cloudpic> Oh, yes! Lupin has good reason to fear even himself. [20:45] <Dreamteam> I think Neville starts off more afraid than anyone but faces things the same as others later on, eg the Ministry so he makes the greates leap [20:45] <SoonerGryffindor> can you imagine the fear you live with knowing that once a month you turn into a monster [20:45] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> true, shard [20:45] <Aislinn> ooh, Lupin - yes! [20:45] <Love4Fawkes> I don't see DD as having fears, but he obviously does [20:45] <huebbe> too true Shard [20:45] <cloudpic> She did then... but I'll be she worked on it in private somehow. [20:45] <Aislinn> I think everyone has fears Love4Fawkes [20:45] <fawkes28> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. Don't forget to vote in the latest poll for the next WWW chat here: http://www.leakylounge.com/forums.html#entry1210695 [20:45] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> anyone who loves must fear smile [20:45] <Love4Fawkes> oh yes aislinn, and we saw some of his in HBP [20:46] <Aislinn> we did [20:46] <Shard> I agree with taht Aislinn everyone has fears and I think alot of the characters are trying to deal with those fears [20:46] <nympheart> I'd argue not DD, one of his fears is Harry's death and in OotP he picked a not-so-effective method of protection [20:46] *** dracoloveroftheworld has joined #lounge [20:46] <Aislinn> yes, and the contrast in how they do so is what shows us their character most clearly, shard [20:46] <dracoloveroftheworld> um, hi [20:46] *** cbm has joined #lounge [20:46] <Dreamteam> hi draco [20:46] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hi dracolover [20:46] <ProngsPatronus> it seems to me that the more evil characters seem to have more fears, and less success in facing them [20:46] <Aislinn> hi dracolover [20:46] <cbm> Hi again [20:47] <Winky05> Hi [20:47] <huebbe> oh yes, Draco is nothing but fear [20:47] <fawkes28> wb,cbm [20:47] <Aislinn> hey cbm [20:47] <dracoloveroftheworld> like what do u mean [20:47] <huebbe> hi cbm [20:47] <cloudpic> Hi, dracolover. I like that, Prongs, it shows their character as Aislinn has said [20:47] <SoonerGryffindor> . The way to get rid of a Boggart, the embodiment of fear, is to attack it with humor. Do you think that this is an effective means of addressing our own fears? [20:47] <cbm> just finished my cardio and am taking a break [20:47] <Winky05> Draco fear gives him confidence to do evil things though [20:47] <SoonerGryffindor> wb cbm [20:47] <dracoloveroftheworld> yes, because laughter and happiness helps you through scary times [20:47] <Love4Fawkes> sometimes its effective [20:47] <cloudpic> Better than whistling, certainly... doesn't it help to minimize the fear somehow? [20:47] <cbm> I think facing fear is the best way to get rid of them [20:47] <SoonerGryffindor> I love that Jo uses this device [20:47] <fawkes28> i love that this is how you defeat a boggart [20:48] <nympheart> I'm not sure, it kind of glosses over the fear rather than eliminating [20:48] <Love4Fawkes> it depends on what the fear is [20:48] <Aislinn> I think it is a means of facing the fear [20:48] <SoonerGryffindor> The lesson that we should laugh at our fears and call them ridiculous is awesome! [20:48] <KimmyBlair> but it gives you a wy to deal [20:48] <Dreamteam> it depends on the fear, [20:48] <ProngsPatronus> if one can laugh at one's fears, they are diffused [20:48] <cloudpic> It helps you focus on the fearful thing's weakness sometimes... [20:48] <Aislinn> not allowing it to take on so big a role in your life [20:48] <fawkes28> it sets up us nicely for how positive magic can be much more effective than bad spells [20:48] <Aislinn> yes, fawkes [20:48] <dracoloveroftheworld> but with humor, u r able to confriont your fear by being brave [20:48] <Love4Fawkes> yes it does fawkes [20:48] <SoonerGryffindor> look at how many examples there are of characters who let their fears rule them and they kept making bad decisions? [20:48] <huebbe> laughter gets your endorphins going! [20:49] <ProngsPatronus> besides--Snape in a vulture hat was too good to miss! [20:49] <Dreamteam> lol [20:49] <cloudpic> Yes, dracolover... it helps build up your own courage [20:49] <cbm> I used to have a fear of heights, and I do not think that humor would get rid of it, rock climbing did [20:49] <Shard> Molly lets her fears rule her, [20:49] <Aislinn> lol, Prongs [20:49] <cloudpic> Whoa. That's confronting the fear@ [20:49] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i read that laughter, even fake laughter, will release endorphins... your body doesn't know the difference between faking it and the real thing :-P [20:49] <Love4Fawkes> its like the old stage fright trick of seeing the audience in their underwear. how could you possibly be afraid of something so funny [20:49] <dracoloveroftheworld> which is bad [20:49] <fawkes28> laughter is powerful and love is even more so [20:49] <dracoloveroftheworld> true [20:49] <cbm> I agree with draco and fawkes, this is positive magic over negative magic [20:49] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, laughing really does release endorphins That is a great point chocolate [20:50] <Aislinn> it may the kind of fear you have, whether humor is the most effective means for it or not [20:50] <dracoloveroftheworld> postitivty beats negativity [20:50] <SoonerGryffindor> I also love the incantation she has them use. Ridiculous [20:50] <Love4Fawkes> yes aislinn [20:50] <dracoloveroftheworld> it fits it perfectly [20:50] <fawkes28> it is important for these characters to still be able to laugh in the face of fear [20:50] <Aislinn> yes, sooner - it is cutting the fears down to size [20:50] <dracoloveroftheworld> and the fears are getting bigger [20:50] <ProngsPatronus> I wonder about the relationship of boggarts to dementors [20:50] <dracoloveroftheworld> especially with dd and sb gone [20:51] <Love4Fawkes> ridikulous is also one fo the first spells we see that needs real feeling behind it [20:51] <dracoloveroftheworld> yea [20:51] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think it's also a factor of cold versus warmth... chilling dementors versus warm laughter [20:51] <cloudpic> Perhaps that's why we saw so much of Dumbledore's sense of humor... he had many things which he knew about which might have frightened a lesser man [20:51] <fawkes28> good point, Love4Fawkes [20:51] <ProngsPatronus> would a severe boggart make one more susceptible to dementors? [20:51] <cbm> I think it is more that the positive magic is able to change the boggart into something you are no longer affraid of [20:51] <SoonerGryffindor> Does being brave mean that you have less fear than someone not as brave? [20:51] <dracoloveroftheworld> and that doesnt work on dementers [20:51] <huebbe> no [20:51] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> definitely not [20:51] <Winky05> no [20:51] <nympheart> nope [20:51] <Dreamteam> no just better ways of dealing with your fear [20:51] <Aislinn> no, it has more to do with how you handle those fears [20:51] <huebbe> I think it just means you can handle it better [20:52] <cbm> No, I think that a fearless man can never be brave [20:52] <SoonerGryffindor> To me, being brave is going on even when you have the fear [20:52] <Love4Fawkes> no, it means you are able to deal with your fear [20:52] <MollyIsUnderrated> No, it means that you are willing to take the risk of dealing with the issue (fears, in this case) [20:52] <nympheart> Just look at Neville [20:52] <huebbe> well said Aislinn [20:52] <cloudpic> No... only that you have faced the fear. How would it be brave to do something you weren't afraid of? [20:52] <Winky05> It just means your willing to try so you can win [20:52] <SoonerGryffindor> exactly cloudpic [20:52] <huebbe> agreed [20:52] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> "being brave doesn't mean you go looking for trouble..." "But you're not scared of anything" "I was today... i thought I might lose you." "Oh... I guess even kings get scared huh?" - The Lion King [20:52] <SoonerGryffindor> not having any fear is not being brave at all. That is called being stupid [20:52] <dracoloveroftheworld> yea [20:52] <cbm> I think fear is what sometimes keeps you from doing stupid thinkgs [20:53] <cloudpic> Wonderful, chocolate! [20:53] <nympheart> nice quote chocolate [20:53] <ProngsPatronus> foolhardy [20:53] <huebbe> lol sonner [20:53] <Love4Fawkes> great quote chocolate [20:53] <dracoloveroftheworld> but you cant let fear consume you. [20:53] <cloudpic> Agreed, cbm, I wish Sirius had been more fearful... [20:53] <Aislinn> I want to announce before the end of the chat, that we have a new Corner Booth staffer! Prongs Patronus is joining our team - woot! [20:53] <Dreamteam> me too cp [20:53] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> YAY PRONGS!!! [20:53] <SoonerGryffindor> WOOT! [20:53] <nympheart> yay! [20:53] <MollyIsUnderrated> YAY Prongs! [20:53] <huebbe> YaY! [20:53] <cloudpic> Bravo! Prongs! [20:53] <cbm> congrats!!!!! [20:53] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Horray! [20:53] <Love4Fawkes> congrats prongs!! [20:53] <KimmyBlair> WOOOT! [20:53] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> *confetti* [20:53] <Dreamteam> Welcome Prongs woo hoo 11 [20:53] <Shard> Woot [20:53] <Winky05> congrats Prongs [20:53] <KimmyBlair> (ywootheyhey) [20:53] <Shard> smile [20:54] <MollyIsUnderrated> The boss wants a chat before we leave work tonight...thanks, all! Bye! [20:54] <ProngsPatronus> thanks! [20:54] <nympheart> Huzzah! [20:54] <Aislinn> bye molly! [20:54] <cbm> bye [20:54] <Dreamteam> bye Molly [20:54] <Aislinn> glad you came [20:54] <KimmyBlair> bye! [20:54] <Winky05> by [20:54] <huebbe> bye molly [20:54] <nympheart> bye Molly [20:54] <Winky05> bye [20:54] <SoonerGryffindor> bye Molly [20:54] <Love4Fawkes> bye molly [20:54] * cloudpic puts out the pumpkin juice and treacle tarts for the celebration [20:54] *** MollyIsUnderrated left #lounge [] [20:54] <huebbe> thanks! [20:54] * cbm would love a treacle tart smile [20:54] <SoonerGryffindor> Dumbledore said that when we fear things like the darkness and death, it is actually the unknown that we fear. How can one deal with this type of fear? [20:54] <dracoloveroftheworld> yay. [20:54] <huebbe> speaking of which I'm off to make dinner! Bye all [20:54] <dracoloveroftheworld> alrighty bye peoples. [20:54] <Aislinn> bye huebbe [20:54] <Love4Fawkes> mmm, pumpkin juice. cheers to prongs [20:54] <KimmyBlair> face it? [20:55] <cbm> by facing it [20:55] <Dreamteam> turning on the lights [20:55] <nympheart> familiarize yourself with it, then it's not unknown anymore [20:55] <SoonerGryffindor> bye huebbe [20:55] *** huebbe has quit [Bye] [20:55] <cbm> lol dreamteam [20:55] <Winky05> You just have to face it. [20:55] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> with light, fire, warmth... knowledge... that's why he's been teaching Harry about Voldemort... turning the unknown motives into known [20:55] <Shard> If anyone knows please tell me because that's my fear [20:55] <fawkes28> it is tough because many people can't do it [20:55] <Love4Fawkes> yes nymph [20:55] <SoonerGryffindor> it is extemely hard to deal with the unknown [20:55] <cloudpic> Yes.. become familiar, but something else is needed... how can you come to know death? [20:55] <dracoloveroftheworld> im leaving bye. before my friend kills me for living on another planet then her. [20:55] <Dreamteam> finding information, knowledge is power [20:55] <Aislinn> yes, chocolate, exactly [20:55] <SoonerGryffindor> bye draco [20:55] *** dracoloveroftheworld left #lounge [] [20:55] <Dreamteam> bye draco [20:55] <ProngsPatronus> I think love is what faces the unknown, and defeats it [20:56] <cloudpic> But if you're greatest fear is death .... what helps that? [20:56] <KimmyBlair> umm... [20:56] <cloudpic> You'd be leaving your loved ones [20:56] <Dreamteam> being happy with the way you've lived your life [20:56] <cbm> maybe faith? [20:56] <Love4Fawkes> i remember being scared of the dark even as a teenager becaues you never know what is in the dark, but the more time i spent in the dark the less afraid i was [20:56] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> maybe it's preparing for death, cloudpic... or preparing your mind for the possibility of death... i heard once that if you want to think about how you live your life, all you have to do is think about your death [20:56] <KimmyBlair> well harry doesn't fear death... [20:56] <nympheart> that would work, cbm [20:56] <KimmyBlair> umm... [20:56] <Dreamteam> knowing that you can go with no regrets [20:56] <cloudpic> Yes, I agree, [20:56] <cloudpic> Kimmy? [20:57] <KimmyBlair> yes? [20:57] <nympheart> yes, Kimmy, harry's come very close to dying, but that's not really something you can control easily [20:57] <SoonerGryffindor> My biggest fear with death at this point in time is kids who are not yet grown [20:57] <cloudpic> Are you chanting? ummmmmm LOL [20:57] <KimmyBlair> no i know [20:57] <Love4Fawkes> mine too sooner [20:57] <fawkes28> LOL [20:57] <KimmyBlair> i'm not saying that he has died... and that he's controlled it... [20:57] <SoonerGryffindor> Are there times when fears can be constructive, or serve a useful purpose? [20:57] <KimmyBlair> nor did Dumbledore [20:57] <KimmyBlair> (fear death) [20:57] <Dreamteam> I think every parent's fear is the death of their child, even if that child is grown [20:57] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> of course - there is safety in fear [20:57] <ProngsPatronus> I think the remedy for fearing death is to live one's life to the fullest--leaving behind no regrets [20:57] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, it can get you up off your butt to do things [20:57] <KimmyBlair> fear can keep you alive [20:57] <cbm> Yes, they can keep you out of trouble [20:58] <Aislinn> I agree prongs [20:58] <KimmyBlair> true cbm [20:58] <Love4Fawkes> fears keep us from doing stupid things [20:58] <Dreamteam> Yes fear can stop you doing something reckless [20:58] <Aislinn> yes, some things should be feared [20:58] <cloudpic> I agree, Kimmy [20:58] <Dreamteam> and save your life [20:58] <fawkes28> yes, i think fear can leave to change which eventually leaves to constructivism [20:58] <nympheart> someone said earlier that Sirius should have been more fearful [20:58] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> there is a balance - you can't live your life in fear, but being fearless is also destructive [20:58] <Shard> Some ppl can be fueled by fear to do things [20:58] <Aislinn> yes, nymph [20:58] <SoonerGryffindor> that is a good point nymph [20:58] <ProngsPatronus> fear is necessary--it helps us understand what we need to over come [20:58] <Love4Fawkes> yes chocolate [20:58] <SoonerGryffindor> I fear the IRS, so I do my taxes. Does that count? [20:58] <KimmyBlair> yes sooner [20:58] <cbm> I think that fear sometimes provides you with your limits [20:58] <KimmyBlair> hahahahah [20:58] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha sooner [20:58] <KimmyBlair> perfect example [20:58] <cloudpic> Jumping in the lion's cage at the zoo... yeah, Siriusly, Sirius needed a bit less recklessness [20:58] <cloudpic> Sure does, Sooner! [20:58] <Love4Fawkes> yes it counts sooner! [20:58] <Dreamteam> yep sooner, keeps you out of jail [20:59] <ProngsPatronus> so, is it the IRS that you fear, or jail time? [20:59] <SoonerGryffindor> all of the above [20:59] <Love4Fawkes> i fear an audit [20:59] <SoonerGryffindor> well, the IRS has the ability to have me put in jail [20:59] * cbm has been audited and won! [20:59] <KimmyBlair> woot! [20:59] <SoonerGryffindor> woot! [20:59] <Love4Fawkes> go cbm!! [21:00] <nympheart> I fear...being kicked out of college before I get there [21:00] <Aislinn> wow, that's great cbm [21:00] <fawkes28> It's been a great chat! Thanks for coming smile [21:00] <cloudpic> Wow... didn't think that happened. [21:00] <SoonerGryffindor> Thanks everyone for a good chat [21:00] <cbm> it was a random audit [21:00] <KimmyBlair> I had fun! [21:00] <Aislinn> face that fear, nymph! [21:00] * chocolateisnotforbreakfast 's dad does her taxes still! [21:00] <KimmyBlair> and I didn't kill the chat! [21:00] <Aislinn> lol [21:00] <ProngsPatronus> lovely chat, everyone! [21:00] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [21:00] <fawkes28> yay kimmy [21:00] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> yay! [21:00] <cbm> How can you kill a chat? [21:00] <Aislinn> bye all - see you soon! [21:00] <cloudpic> Wonderful you've conquered a fear, Kimmy! [21:00] <KimmyBlair> hahaha [21:00] <SoonerGryffindor> Kimmy does it all the time [21:00] <fawkes28> oh she can [21:00] <nympheart> bye everyone! [21:00] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [21:00] <KimmyBlair> i have! [21:00] <Dreamteam> Bye everyone, see you again [21:00] <cloudpic> Bye all! [21:01] <SoonerGryffindor> Bye everyone [21:01] <fawkes28> hey now kimmy is learning! [21:01] <Love4Fawkes> bye everyone! [21:01] <cloudpic> Woot for Kimmy's boggart defeated [21:01] <Winky05> Bye everyone [21:01] *** Dreamteam left #lounge [] [21:01] <KimmyBlair> hahaha [21:01] *** nympheart left #lounge [] [21:01] *** cloudpic has quit [Bye] [21:01] <fawkes28> she has an excellent teacher [21:01] *** Love4Fawkes has quit [Bye] [21:01] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> :-D [21:01] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [21:01] <KimmyBlair> the best teacher [21:01] *** Winky05 left #lounge [] [21:02] <KimmyBlair> ok [21:02] <KimmyBlair> i'm leaving [21:02] <KimmyBlair> you all rock [21:02] <fawkes28> so do you [21:02] <Shard> Bye everyone it was fun [21:02] <ProngsPatronus> thanks for coming, Kimmy [21:02] <KimmyBlair> Fawkes made me [21:03] <KimmyBlair> it's was homework [21:03] * ProngsPatronus starts flicking the lights [21:03] *** Shard left #lounge [] [21:03] * KimmyBlair cues of closing time [21:03] <KimmyBlair> ok really leaving [21:03] <KimmyBlair> bye! 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