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[18:59] *** penguin1124 has joined #lounge [18:59] *** bubblehead has joined #lounge [18:59] <Aislinn> hi penguin [19:00] <penguin1124> hello [19:00] <Aislinn> hey bubblehead [19:00] <bubblehead> heyy [19:00] <ProngsPatronus> wow--it's time, already! [19:00] <ProngsPatronus> hey, peeps! [19:00] <ProngsPatronus> :) [19:00] <ProngsPatronus> :-) [19:00] <ProngsPatronus> :smile: [19:01] <Aislinn> smile [19:01] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [19:01] <Aislinn> just need a space in front of the first one, prongs [19:01] *** chocolateisnotforbreakfast has joined #lounge [19:02] <penguin1124> hey chocolate [19:02] <Aislinn> hey chocolateisnotforbreakfast [19:02] <fawkes28> no, more smileys for me tonight - except for eyebrow [19:02] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hey all! [19:02] <SoonerGryffindor> hey everyone [19:02] <fawkes28> just for Aislinn! [19:02] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i smell like bug spray sad [19:02] <SoonerGryffindor> ? [19:03] <bubblehead> aww, im sorry you smell like bug spray [19:03] <penguin1124> ok [19:03] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> a bunch of gnats or fruit flies or whatever, decided to hatch in my kitchen [19:03] <penguin1124> weird [19:03] <SoonerGryffindor> Ewwwww [19:03] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> so i attacked them [19:03] <SoonerGryffindor> I had that hapen once [19:03] *** idtotallybeinravenclaw has joined #lounge [19:03] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hi ravenclaw! [19:04] <SoonerGryffindor> my sister gave me a gift she had gotten from her neighbors. It was one of those basket gift packs with the fake straw in it [19:04] <SoonerGryffindor> a week later "something" hatched [19:04] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> ewwwww [19:04] <penguin1124> ouch [19:04] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah [19:04] <SoonerGryffindor> I was not happy [19:04] <bubblehead> ew [19:04] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> that's a crappy gift [19:04] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> lol [19:04] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [19:05] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> so i'm officially signed up for Prophecy! [19:05] <SoonerGryffindor> they were like these flying ant things, but not termites. I still have no idea what they were [19:05] *** idtotallybeinravenclaw has quit [Bye] [19:05] <SoonerGryffindor> woot! [19:05] *** ProngsPatronus has quit [Bye] [19:05] *** ProngsPatronus has joined #lounge [19:05] *** idtotallybeinravenclaw has joined #lounge [19:05] <Aislinn> woot, chocolate! [19:05] <Aislinn> it should be a good time [19:05] <SoonerGryffindor> I cant wait [19:05] <Aislinn> hi, ravenclaw [19:05] <ProngsPatronus> :excited: [19:05] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i hope so - i'm down a few hundred bucks, and will not be making it by taking those days off work lol [19:05] <fawkes28> woo hoo - that is how you say it [19:05] <idtotallybeinravenclaw> hi Aislinn [19:05] <bubblehead> I'm so excited for Prophecy! [19:05] <idtotallybeinravenclaw> and hi chocolate [19:06] <fawkes28> yes, it will be fun [19:06] <Aislinn> it is going to be amazing, especially so soon after the book release [19:06] *** ProngsPatronus has quit [Bye] [19:06] *** ProngsPatronus has joined #lounge [19:06] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i can't believe it's so close [19:06] <fawkes28> when we can say i told you so to sooner [19:06] <bubblehead> squeee [19:06] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha fawkes [19:06] <ProngsPatronus> no squeeing! [19:07] <idtotallybeinravenclaw> 44 daysssss [19:07] <ProngsPatronus> LOL [19:07] <penguin1124> WOOT! [19:07] <idtotallybeinravenclaw> and 34 days [19:07] * fawkes28 thinks prongs thinks that she makes the rules [19:07] <idtotallybeinravenclaw> for the movie [19:07] <bubblehead> *cries a little* [19:07] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i'm going to bring a video camera and do a documentary of Prophecy, i think [19:07] <ProngsPatronus> lost my Skype completely [19:08] <idtotallybeinravenclaw> what's Prophecy? [19:08] * ProngsPatronus think that if you can say no wooting, I can say no squeeing [19:08] <bubblehead> I was thinking of doing the same thing chocolate [19:08] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> it's a convention in Toronto, two weeks after the book is released [19:08] <idtotallybeinravenclaw> ohhhhhhh man [19:08] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> live pottercast, crafts, a ball, feasts [19:08] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> keynote speakers [19:08] <fawkes28> pats the ickle newbie on the head [19:08] <penguin1124> it sucks, i really want to go but i can't [19:08] <idtotallybeinravenclaw> and how do you do that *so and so thinks [19:08] *** Belarosa has joined #lounge [19:08] <idtotallybeinravenclaw> thing [19:09] <ProngsPatronus> there are several of them this year [19:09] <fawkes28> type / me without the space [19:09] <ProngsPatronus> hey, belarosa [19:09] <fawkes28> and then whatever you want to say [19:09] * chocolateisnotforbreakfast just adds water! [19:09] * idtotallybeinravenclaw thinks I really want to go to the convention!!!!! [19:10] * chocolateisnotforbreakfast thinks ravenclaw should check out http://www.prophecy2007.org [19:10] * idtotallybeinravenclaw says thanks to chocolate!! [19:10] * chocolateisnotforbreakfast wonders if she can do the entire chat in third person [19:10] <penguin1124> lol [19:10] *** lothlorien has joined #lounge [19:11] * idtotallybeinravenclaw thinks so [19:11] * bubblehead is bringing sexy back [19:11] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha i'm gonna stop [19:11] <fawkes28> hi lothlorien [19:11] <lothlorien> Hi, everyone! [19:11] *** ProngsPatronus has quit [Bye] [19:11] *** ProngsPatronus has joined #lounge [19:11] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> if i wasn't me, i'd think i was annoying [19:11] <Aislinn> Hi lothlorien [19:11] *** ProngsPatronus left #lounge [] [19:11] <SoonerGryffindor> hahahahhahahaha [19:11] * idtotallybeinravenclaw says oh no you di'int!! [19:11] <penguin1124> me/ I love pie [19:11] <Belarosa> hello everyone [19:11] <penguin1124> shoot i guess i did it worng [19:11] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hahahaha nice try penguin [19:11] <SoonerGryffindor> the slash comes first [19:11] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> slash first [19:11] *** fawkes28 has quit [Bye] [19:11] <SoonerGryffindor> I did that as well [19:12] <SoonerGryffindor> still do sometimes [19:12] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [19:12] <idtotallybeinravenclaw> soooo [19:12] <Belarosa> what is it that we discussing [19:12] <SoonerGryffindor> we will get started in about 3 minutes guys [19:12] <SoonerGryffindor> we are discussing spells [19:12] <Aislinn> we're talking about the conference Prophecy Belarosa [19:12] <fawkes28> in the mean time we can goof around laugh [19:12] <Belarosa> ok [19:12] <Aislinn> while we wait for the official chat to start [19:12] <lothlorien> Oh, so this is just the social warm-up? I get it now. [19:12] * chocolateisnotforbreakfast goofs fawkes [19:13] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [19:13] <idtotallybeinravenclaw> sweetne [19:13] <fawkes28> lol chocolate [19:13] <idtotallybeinravenclaw> ss [19:13] <SoonerGryffindor> hey Expie [19:13] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hey expie [19:13] <Aislinn> we give people a few minutes to get here first [19:13] <fawkes28> yes, we give people a chance to get here [19:13] * penguin1124 pie [19:13] <fawkes28> snap [19:13] <Aislinn> snap [19:13] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> do we give people a chance to get here? [19:13] <idtotallybeinravenclaw> so who is camping out for the book??? [19:13] <fawkes28> LOL [19:13] *** Narya has joined #lounge [19:13] <Expelliarmas> heya, peeps [19:13] <Aislinn> narya! [19:13] <fawkes28> hey narya [19:13] <lothlorien> Me! [19:13] * idtotallybeinravenclaw says ME [19:13] <Aislinn> hey expie [19:13] <Belarosa> hi [19:13] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hi narya [19:13] * penguin1124 thinks that this should be a lot of fun [19:13] <bubblehead> hi narya [19:13] <Aislinn> camping out? [19:13] <fawkes28> yes, i think she is [19:13] <lothlorien> How many days left? [19:13] <penguin1124> i finally got it right [19:13] <Narya> Hi all [19:13] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i'm going to be helping out at my local borders that night [19:13] <idtotallybeinravenclaw> like getting there hours early [19:14] * SoonerGryffindor will be camping out in front of her PC right after she gets the book [19:14] <fawkes28> i'll be in scotland!!! [19:14] <SoonerGryffindor> quit bragging fawkes [19:14] <Narya> *Narya is already covering her ears* [19:14] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> ohhh lucky fawkes! [19:14] <idtotallybeinravenclaw> i'm getting there at 10 AM [19:14] <Expelliarmas> London for me [19:14] <fawkes28> bugging narya, of course [19:14] <SoonerGryffindor> 10am? [19:14] <idtotallybeinravenclaw> oooh [19:14] * bubblehead is going to her local borders [19:14] <idtotallybeinravenclaw> jealous [19:14] <fawkes28> my speciality [19:14] <SoonerGryffindor> there is a 24 hour Wal-mart 10 minutes from my house [19:14] <SoonerGryffindor> I will leave at about 11:45 PM and run to go get the book [19:15] <penguin1124> i am sooooo mad i am getting back from camp that day and m parents won't pick me up early to get the book so i have to start reading it at like 11 am on july 21st [19:15] <Narya> *Narya will be enforcing the noise pollution policy* [19:15] <fawkes28> pfffft [19:15] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> dang, ravenclaw lol.. usually bookstores will begin letting people take numbers or something in the afternoon sometime, so they don't have to wait all day - people usually start massing around 9:00 pm [19:15] <penguin1124> i should have finished it like twice before then [19:15] <Narya> cough up, fawkes [19:15] <lothlorien> I'm more of a Barnes and Noble camper. [19:15] * fawkes28 owes narya a lot of money [19:15] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> at least, that's how it was last release for me [19:15] <idtotallybeinravenclaw> oooh that sucks penguin [19:15] <Narya> biggrin you're not wrong [19:15] * fawkes28 but will never pay [19:15] <Belarosa> i have to wait for the mail to get here on the 21st [19:15] <Belarosa> which is like 3 in the afternoon [19:16] <Narya> *Narya has ways of making recalcitrant non-payers stump up* [19:16] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I'm crossing my fingers for a free copy of the book, for helping Borders out [19:16] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> lol [19:16] <fawkes28> oh, i couldnt wait for it by mail - it would drive me insane [19:16] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont want to waste any time standing in line so I will go where I think there is no line. I want to be back home reading by 12:30 at the latest [19:16] <fawkes28> pffty pfft pfft [19:16] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> that's no fun sooner! you should party! [19:16] <Narya> *Narya will quietly ignore the last comment by fawkes* [19:16] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> that's where the real fun is at! [19:16] <Belarosa> i know thats what i want to do [19:17] <penguin1124> r we gonna start soon [19:17] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> yup [19:17] <Aislinn> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You're not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you'll be able to type again soon. [19:17] <Aislinn> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod. [19:17] <Aislinn> You won't be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it" in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [19:17] <Aislinn> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [19:17] <Aislinn> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [19:18] <SoonerGryffindor> "Now, don't forget that nice wrist movement we've been practicing!" squeaked Professor Flitwick [...] "Swish and flick, remember, swish and flick. And saying the magic words properly is very important, too..." (PS/SS) [19:18] <SoonerGryffindor> Incantations--the word itself brings to mind wands and cauldrons, full moons and black cats. In the Harry Potter world, though, they are a part of every witch and wizard's Magical toolkit. [19:18] <SoonerGryffindor> The Free Online Dictionary defines an incantation as a ritual recitation of verbal charms or spells to produce a magic effect--a formula. [19:18] <SoonerGryffindor> Tonight we will discuss the place of incantations in the Harry Potter universe: their origins, their uses, and their limitations. [19:18] <SoonerGryffindor> Most of the incantations in the Harry Potter series seem to have Latin as their source. Why do you think the author chose Latin as the primary language of her spells? [19:18] <bubblehead> I'm so excited for this. I take Latin so I hope to be of some use. [19:18] *** ProngsPatronus has joined #lounge [19:19] <lothlorien> It's scientific. [19:19] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it was a natural choice [19:19] <Expelliarmas> she likely took a load of latin in school and it now pays off [19:19] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I think latin has some history to it... and a lot of languages are derived from it, so maybe wizards in other languages can all relate easier? [19:19] <Aislinn> Latin is the root of so many words anyway [19:19] <bubblehead> Latin is the basis for so many langauges. [19:19] <lothlorien> It adds an air of authenticity and it's ancient. It's also considered a dead language. [19:19] <fawkes28> she studied classical languages too [19:19] <SoonerGryffindor> so much of the English language comes from latin and using latin makes it sound cooler [19:19] <ProngsPatronus> I am thinking that it is also a language of power [19:19] *** Narya has quit [Bye] [19:19] <fawkes28> it makes it seem more authentic too [19:19] *** Narya has joined #lounge [19:19] <ProngsPatronus> wb, Narya [19:20] <Belarosa> latin pretty makes the romance languages [19:20] <lothlorien> Ooh, I like that, Prongs.\ [19:20] <Expelliarmas> in siriusness, the magical world is supposed to be ancient, one could see that it would go back to a time when latin was the language spoken [19:20] <penguin1124> yes [19:20] <Narya> I'm sure JKR's classical education came in handy when she was devising spells - and Latin is the root of so many languages [19:20] <ProngsPatronus> I expect there has been magic since there have been people [19:20] <Belarosa> true and with the roman invasion and such [19:20] <bubblehead> I think she did it so cool kid who take Latin can go into class and be like "I know what that means! Or well..at least I know what it does in Harry Potter" [19:21] <lothlorien> It also has a commanding sound to it. It is very singularly focused, which may be necessary to produce a specific magical result. [19:21] <ProngsPatronus> yes, lothlorien [19:21] <ProngsPatronus> latin has relatively few words, too [19:21] <ProngsPatronus> they have a lot of different meanings [19:21] *** idtotallybeinravenclaw has quit [Ping timeout] [19:22] <ProngsPatronus> just the opposite of English [19:22] <fawkes28> i think it is a neat way for Jo to keep the language alive [19:22] <ProngsPatronus> which has a lot of words that mean the same thing [19:22] <penguin1124> thats true fawkes [19:22] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I wonder if it's like the magic in Eragon... the names of things have magic themselves, so by saying something you activate its magic... it makes sense, so that someone like Snape can take different pieces of words to invent new spells [19:22] <lothlorien> I would imagine it could be difficult for the inexperienced magician to "make up spells" using Latin due to the variety of connotations. [19:23] <Aislinn> good point, chocolate [19:23] <SoonerGryffindor> that is a good question chocolate [19:23] <ProngsPatronus> plus, it takes focus, which younger wizards would find difficult [19:23] <Narya> Unless you're Hermione of course [19:23] <penguin1124> yeah [19:23] <SoonerGryffindor> Is a spell and an incantation the same thing? Why or why not? [19:23] <Belarosa> true [19:24] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I personally, can't stand the magic in Harry Potter lol... it seems so haphazard and uncontrollable... and useless! who wants to change a hedgehog into a pincushion?? [19:24] <SoonerGryffindor> I think they have to learn the theory [19:24] <Expelliarmas> I think they are essentially the same. I can see a spell being just the noun, while one would use an incantation to activate the spell. [19:24] <SoonerGryffindor> so its not what they are doing, but knowing how to [19:24] <penguin1124> i think a spell is just a single word where as an incantation is atleast 2 words [19:24] <lothlorien> I don't think an incantation requires a wand. It is more like words spoken to activate an already completed potion. [19:24] <Aislinn> I think an incantation is something longer, where it seems a spell is a single word - yeah, whaat penguin said [19:24] <ProngsPatronus> I think that the magic is so pervasive that a lot of useless spells are around [19:24] <fawkes28> nicely said, expie [19:25] <Narya> I don't think they're quite the same thing - an incantation is more complex, in a way [19:25] <Belarosa> wouldn't an incatation be a sentence that focuses different elements for provide a certain result like the rebirth process of the dark lord [19:25] <bubblehead> I think the incantation is what you say and a spell uding is the incantation and the wand movement to get the resukt [19:25] <bubblehead> using* result* [19:26] <SoonerGryffindor> I think of this like a rectangle and a square. Some rectangles can be squares, but not all squares are rectangles. Does that make sense? [19:26] <penguin1124> yes [19:26] <ProngsPatronus> I think that all incantations are spells, but not all spells are incantations [19:26] <SoonerGryffindor> right [19:26] * chocolateisnotforbreakfast wonders why wizards need to learn much magic at all, when it seems like they can just use magical objects to get what they need done... magical objects don't require skill, and even a squib can use them [19:26] <ProngsPatronus> who would make those objects, chocolate? [19:27] <lothlorien> An incantation to me, makes me think of a wizard's deeper desire for a result rather than an immediate result. Like "Accio" is meant to produce an immediate response. It is a spell. But a love potion would suggest a deeper long term desire on the part of the wizard and might require an incantation to make it effective. [19:27] <penguin1124> but if u don't have access to an object then u need the magic [19:27] <Narya> I think an incantation is multi-layered magic - on a par with the Fidelius Charm [19:27] <SoonerGryffindor> . What is your favourite incantation? Why? [19:27] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think it'd be cool if only the best of the best became real witches and wizards... if only selective people were accepted into Hogwarts or other schools [19:27] <Expelliarmas> Expelliarmus [19:27] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha expie [19:27] <fawkes28> hahhaha [19:27] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Expie [19:28] <Aislinn> there are so many good ones [19:28] <Expelliarmas> It's my fave as it plays on my surname [19:28] <penguin1124> mine is wingardium leviosa [19:28] * SoonerGryffindor is trying to pick just one [19:28] <ProngsPatronus> Expecto Patronum [19:28] <Narya> It's really hard to choose a favourite one [19:28] <Aislinn> I love the way that one sounds, penguin [19:28] <lothlorien> I love the incantations Fred and George come up with to trick their brothers and sister. Ha-Ha. [19:28] <penguin1124> yeah either that or expecto patronum [19:28] <penguin1124> those 2 [19:28] <SoonerGryffindor> I would love to know what the incantation is for the bat-bogey-hex [19:28] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Accio... never having to get my lazy self up to find a remote [19:28] <penguin1124> lol [19:29] <Expelliarmas> scourfigy is another [19:29] <lothlorien> Great. Chocolate. [19:29] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah [19:29] <Expelliarmas> scourgify [19:29] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> ohh, good one expie [19:29] <Aislinn> I like all the cleaning ones, expie - very useful [19:29] <penguin1124> yeah [19:29] <SoonerGryffindor> is there a spell than can bring you chocolate? Cause that would be a good one [19:29] <Expelliarmas> would love to just say a word, a whoosh spic/span [19:29] <Aislinn> evanesco too [19:29] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i changed my mind... maybe scourgify would reveal where the remote was hidden [19:29] <penguin1124> accio chocolate [19:29] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> ohh, sooner, just say it and i'll be at your side [19:29] <Expelliarmas> repairo for the klutzes [19:29] <SoonerGryffindor> that has a good ring to it penguin [19:29] <Narya> Expecto Patronum I guess, since it produces such a magical effect [19:30] <penguin1124> any1 like any of the prince's spells? [19:30] <SoonerGryffindor> I've always liked petrificul totalis [19:30] <Expelliarmas> muffliato is a nice one too [19:30] <lothlorien> I like Expecto Patronum because it is so powerful and is used for defense. [19:30] <bubblehead> levicorpus would be fun [19:30] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i was going to say Sectumsempra... it's make me feel safer when I walk around at night! [19:30] <penguin1124> yeah i like them but they are just so dark [19:30] <Aislinn> yes, lothlorien, I agree [19:30] <SoonerGryffindor> waddiwasi was a good one as well [19:31] <Aislinn> that one cracked me up [19:31] * fawkes28 notes to stay away from chocolate at Prophecy [19:31] <SoonerGryffindor> yes [19:31] <Expelliarmas> what's the packing one, tonks used it. MrM could use that right about now [19:31] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> tee hee [19:31] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah [19:31] *** ProngsPatronus has quit [Bye] [19:31] *** ProngsPatronus has joined #lounge [19:31] <SoonerGryffindor> locomotor _______ [19:31] <bubblehead> oh and I like "peskipiksi pesternomi"!!! [19:31] <Aislinn> i think she just said Pack! [19:31] <fawkes28> oh, i just read it the other day [19:31] * penguin1124 thinks that fawkes28 is right [19:31] <Expelliarmas> i think lockhart made that one up on the spot, and he's no Snape [19:31] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> yeah sooner... i don't know why all wizards aren't fat and lazy if they never have to pick anything up for themselves [19:31] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [19:32] *** ProngsPatronus left #lounge [] [19:32] *** ProngsPatronus has joined #lounge [19:32] <bubblehead> which is why I like it [19:32] <fawkes28> wb, prongs smile [19:32] <penguin1124> it probably takes a lot of energy to do all of the spells [19:32] <Belarosa> maybe magic is like laughter it helps to lose weight [19:32] <SoonerGryffindor> Let's turn to the examples of various incantations in the series. [19:32] <SoonerGryffindor> One of the first incantations we see is Alohomora, the spell to open locked doors. Hermione used this spell on the entrance to the Third Floor Corridor. If entry was so dangerous, why wasn't the door enchanted to reject this spell? [19:32] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> it's never explained, penguin, how the spells happen... the closest we get to the theory of magic is Snape telling Harry that distance does make a difference [19:33] <bubblehead> DD wanted them to go in [19:33] <SoonerGryffindor> This is a good question [19:33] <Aislinn> I think that a trap was being laid [19:33] <fawkes28> because i think dumbledore wanted them to be able to go in [19:33] <SoonerGryffindor> Yeah, I think bubble is right [19:33] <fawkes28> he wanted to give them all a chance [19:33] <bubblehead> Harry says he thinks DD wanted to give them a chance to do it [19:33] <lothlorien> I think because Dumbledore is controlling events; he wanted Harry to figure it out and get in. [19:33] <SoonerGryffindor> and DD knew that Hermione would have known that spell [19:33] <Narya> I think DD guessed that Hermione would know how to get in, and didn't want to stop her because he knew she'd be with Harry and Ron anyway [19:33] <Belarosa> you know it would not be beyond DD's power to enchant the door to not respond to alohomra [19:34] <fawkes28> logic tells you that it should have been a much harder spell to break in [19:34] *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge [19:34] <ProngsPatronus> I just have to think that there are more adventurous gryffindors besides the trio [19:34] <lothlorien> Sorry fawkes, didn't see you already said that. I type too slow.. [19:34] <SoonerGryffindor> its almost as if DD left the key in the lock [19:34] <Aislinn> hey NYB [19:34] <fawkes28> hey nyb [19:34] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> howdy nyb [19:34] <SoonerGryffindor> hello NYB [19:34] <ProngsPatronus> what if the twins had tried it [19:34] <bubblehead> hi nyb [19:34] <SoonerGryffindor> they would have been face to face with fluffy [19:34] <ProngsPatronus> !botsnack [19:34] * Snuffles munches on a yummy treat [19:34] *** AzraelSmurfCatcher has joined #lounge [19:34] <Aislinn> they might have let Fluffy loose in the school, prongs [19:34] <Narya> Authorial licence, PP [19:34] <SoonerGryffindor> hello Azrael [19:34] <ProngsPatronus> hey, Azrael [19:35] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Hey Guys... Long time no see [19:35] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think that Dumbledore doesn't always make everything foolproof, though... there was an obvious loophole in the Goblet of Fire, if someone had asked an older student to put in their name... he didn't intend for it to happen, but he didn't make anything more complex than an age line [19:35] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome back [19:35] <ProngsPatronus> that's why I had to ask that question, ann--it has been bugging me forever! [19:35] <lothlorien> It's like he knows Hagrid will let info. slip, so DD tells Hagrid info. he wants Harry to know. Same thing. [19:35] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> haha thanks.. so who would like to tell me what we're talking about [19:35] <SoonerGryffindor> The Sorting Hat divides first-years into their respective Houses, sings, and makes up rhymes. It also held Godric Gryffindor's sword in the Chamber of Secrets. Do you think there are other spells on the Hat we haven't seen? [19:36] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Maybe Hagrid had to get in to take care of Fluffy, and he couldn't do anything more than Alohamora [19:36] <penguin1124> maybe [19:36] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Dumbledore was limited by the magic that Hagrid could perform [19:36] <Aislinn> I bet there are [19:36] <bubblehead> I think the hat knows alot more than we do [19:36] <SoonerGryffindor> I would like to know how you put your intelligence in a hat in the first place [19:36] <Narya> I think the Hat is such a magical object, there's bound to be [19:36] <penguin1124> yeah [19:36] <bubblehead> magic, sooner. [19:36] <SoonerGryffindor> gives the term "thinking cap" a whole new spin [19:36] <ProngsPatronus> yes, I think we will learn more about the Hat [19:36] <penguin1124> i hope so [19:37] <Expelliarmas> There has to be for it to be so animated [19:37] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> I think the hat could have a lot of power .. if anything knowlede. It sits in the headmasters office all year ... it has to know something of use [19:37] <ProngsPatronus> I wonder what else it can carry [19:37] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> the sorting hat freaks me out... it definitely has a mind of its own, and the capacity to be creative [19:37] <SoonerGryffindor> in a disturbing way, I think it might be a bit like Tom Riddle's diary [19:37] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> exactly sooner! [19:37] <penguin1124> i think that the hat is like the miror of erised [19:37] <SoonerGryffindor> but it wont suck out your soul :P [19:37] <Belarosa> well also i wonder about the marauders map insulting ppl who read it too [19:37] <bubblehead> don't trust anything if you can't see where it keeps it's brain [19:37] <lothlorien> Did the original enchantment on the hat come from Godric Griffindor? If so, maybe you have to be a Gryffindor...maybe even a real Gryffindor...to pull anything out of the hat. [19:38] <ProngsPatronus> in order for the Hat to carry the Sword, it must be bigger on the inside than it is on the outside [19:38] <SoonerGryffindor> no idea lothlorien [19:38] <penguin1124> yeah [19:38] <SoonerGryffindor> I have a theory that maybe all of the founders put something in there [19:38] <Aislinn> the hat was Gryffindor's [19:38] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> but those are just "pre recorded" insluts, belarosa [19:38] <Aislinn> so that makes sense lothlorien [19:38] <penguin1124> well al ot of things are bigger on the inside the the outside: the tent and the car [19:38] <ProngsPatronus> the Hat says so, in its song [19:38] <Expelliarmas> not necessarily, P2, we've seen spells which impact spatial relationships [19:38] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think that's how jo described it [19:38] <Narya> It's a magical hat though, PP - maybe it's like the Ford Anglia in that it's deceptive in size [19:38] <Expelliarmas> Look at Moody's trunk [19:38] <lothlorien> How do know Aislinn? [19:38] <penguin1124> oh yeah [19:38] <SoonerGryffindor> and the tent [19:38] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Yah how does the map know who is reading it? I've always wondered if for some people it has specific comments and others it doesn't [19:38] <Aislinn> it says it somewhere in the book - I think one of the songs [19:39] <Expelliarmas> Gryffindor snatched the hat off his head, that was in a sorting song [19:39] <lothlorien> Cool, thanks. [19:39] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> the map knew who was reading it once snape announced it was him, azrael [19:39] <ProngsPatronus> yes, when it is recounting its history [19:39] <fawkes28> it's like the old pulling a rabbit out of a hat but even better! [19:39] <penguin1124> oh yeah [19:39] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha fawkes [19:39] <SoonerGryffindor> To answer the original question, I think there is a chance that the other founders may have put their own spells on the hat [19:39] <lothlorien> Well, DD's comment about it [19:39] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Oh yeah now I remember thanks chocolate! [19:39] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Man i'm getting rusty [19:39] <ProngsPatronus> perhaps some form of legilimency from Slytherin [19:39] <Expelliarmas> the hat said it was given *brains* [19:39] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i agree, Sooner [19:40] <lothlorien> "It takes a real Gryffindor to pull that {sword} out of the hat." [19:40] <bubblehead> i agree sooner [19:40] <penguin1124> thats true [19:40] <SoonerGryffindor> we saw a "real Gryffindor" get the sword. Wonder what else is hiding in there? [19:40] *** Winky05 has joined #lounge [19:40] <penguin1124> but i don't think harry is a gryffindor [19:40] * chocolateisnotforbreakfast imagines bits of brain falling out onto an unsuspecting first year [19:40] <SoonerGryffindor> ewwwww [19:40] * penguin1124 thinks that that is very disgusting [19:40] <SoonerGryffindor> Harry used his talents as a Parselmouth to open the Chamber. Is Parselmouth inherently magical, or are there incantations one can use in this language, as well? [19:40] <lothlorien> Expel. if it does have brains, Molly would say to avoid it unless you know where they are kept. [19:40] <fawkes28> i am sure plenty of other surprises, sooner [19:40] <Aislinn> 'Twas Gryffindor who found the way, He whipped me off his head, The founders put some brains in me [19:41] <Aislinn> that's from the song [19:41] <penguin1124> no [19:41] <Expelliarmas> And Arthur would as well, lothlorien [19:41] <penguin1124> i think it is inheremtly magical [19:41] <fawkes28> probably only things which involve snakes [19:41] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> I wonder how it would of reacted if another house member other than gry. had tried something with the hat? Or is it assumed none of them are brave enough? Like would Draco have been able to pull a sword out of the hat? [19:41] <Expelliarmas> the ability to speak to snakes has to be inherently magical [19:41] <Belarosa> u know i alwasy wonder about that because ginny being possed by lord v would have to use parsalmouth [19:41] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think it's inherently magical, but doesn't have a whole set of new spells and magic that can go along with it [19:42] <Aislinn> i think that Slytherin used the language, as it meant that only a select few would be able to gain access [19:42] <penguin1124> yeah [19:42] <SoonerGryffindor> I think its something that a few people could learn, but they would need to be able to hear a parcelmouth say it [19:42] <SoonerGryffindor> seeing as there are hardly any of those around, the chances would be slim to none [19:42] <Expelliarmas> ginny being possessed by LV would have used LV's skills, but she had no memory of it herself. She was a vehicle. [19:42] <penguin1124> yeah [19:42] *** ProngsPatronus has quit [Bye] [19:42] <lothlorien> Apparently, not everything in this language is magical. Harry talked to the snake in the zoo without putting any spells on it. [19:42] <SoonerGryffindor> right [19:42] *** ProngsPatronus has joined #lounge [19:43] <Aislinn> i got the impression that Dumbledore understood parseltongue, from the Gaunt memory [19:43] <Belarosa> truw [19:43] <SoonerGryffindor> I see it as just another language\ [19:43] <Expelliarmas> Harry was able to speak to the snake at the zoo because he was speaking in parseltongue. He had no idea he was using it. [19:43] <Aislinn> me too sooner [19:43] <penguin1124> or jsut that he knew it was parselthong [19:43] <SoonerGryffindor> but one that very few know about [19:43] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> he also talked to the snake during the dueling club... and then the snake understood him [19:43] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> It;s like latin... a dead language [19:43] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> yeah, like language [19:43] <SoonerGryffindor> and the reason Harry knows it is because that knowledge transeferred through via his scar [19:43] <lothlorien> Most wizards associate with evil because of its rarity and because both Slytherin and Volde could speak it. [19:43] <penguin1124> yeah [19:43] <ProngsPatronus> Ginny, though, has no facility for parseltongue [19:43] <penguin1124> true [19:43] <Aislinn> right, which is why it would be effective as a means of preventing entry into an area - few know the language so few could get in [19:44] <Aislinn> not really because the language is magical, in and of itself [19:44] <penguin1124> only a true slytherin could oepn it [19:44] <Expelliarmas> It was unconscious on his part and came to him quickly. I don't think it is the same as any other language--it was something the Gaunts had and used. No one taught Riddle and he could use it. [19:44] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> it seems like it was genetic... the whole gaunt family could speak it [19:44] <lothlorien> Few would even know that was the language they needed to speak to get in. [19:44] <SoonerGryffindor> right, but the fact that Ginny opened the chamber shows that another person can learn the language and speak it. You dont have to be a naturally born parcelmouth [19:44] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> as decendents of Slytherin [19:44] <lothlorien> Wasn [19:44] <ProngsPatronus> so, the original question still has merit [19:45] <lothlorien> Wasn't Ginny in a trance? [19:45] <Expelliarmas> Ginny had no idea she was speaking in parseltongue. Her body was being used, but she was not conscious of it. [19:45] <penguin1124> she was possesed [19:45] <bubblehead> but Ginny was possesed by Riddle, so did she ever truly "learn" the langauge? [19:45] <SoonerGryffindor> you mean are there a special set of spells in this language? [19:45] <ProngsPatronus> if one can be given the ability, can one have incantations exclusive to the language [19:45] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> well, she's not a parselmouth unless she has Voldemort with her... the ability to speak it is with everyone, i guess, but even if someone studied the words, if there are words, i don'tt hink it can be learned [19:45] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> I don't think Ginny really learned it [19:45] <penguin1124> no [19:45] <SoonerGryffindor> I am confused about incantations and languages in general [19:45] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i don't think it's learnable [19:45] <Aislinn> i don't think she did either, azrael [19:45] <Belarosa> yes but riddles soul can use parsaltongue so is it magical and tied to the magical properties of the soul [19:46] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> She was just a tool to Riddle [19:46] <Expelliarmas> To this day, ginny could not remember anything about her possessions. [19:46] <penguin1124> yes [19:46] <lothlorien> I think of what Pettigrew said and did over the cauldron in GOP as an incantation necessary to complete a spell, Sooner. [19:46] <Belarosa> true [19:46] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i'm confused about the magic in Harry Potter... it doesn't make sense! lol [19:46] <ProngsPatronus> true [19:46] <SoonerGryffindor> Expecto Patronum! This advanced spell drives away Dementors; Dumbledore used it as a method to carry messages between the Order members.How else may Harry use this advanced magic? [19:46] <Expelliarmas> you're in the right place, cinfb [19:47] <ProngsPatronus> some of it does not make sense! [19:47] <penguin1124> i am not sure if u really can use it any other way [19:47] <Expelliarmas> bye folks [19:47] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> bye [19:47] <lothlorien> Maybe it repels death eaters? Ha-Ha! [19:47] *** Narya has quit [Bye] [19:47] <ProngsPatronus> bye, expie [19:47] <bubblehead> you can use it against a lethifold [19:47] *** Expelliarmas left #lounge [] [19:47] <bubblehead> or whatever thats called [19:48] <SoonerGryffindor> Okay, I really dont know my latin. Does this mean anything in another language? [19:48] *** NYBookworm has quit [Bye] [19:48] <Aislinn> this is a critical spell [19:48] *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge [19:48] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> companionship... if he ever got into a situation where he was really alone, like stuck in Azkaban or held captave (which I don't think will happen, but anyway...) he could conjure up Prongs... [19:48] <Aislinn> patronum is like patron [19:48] *** Winky05 left #lounge [] [19:49] <lothlorien> Seriously, if DD used it as a method to deliver messages, then maybe Harry can learn to do the same thing. And if Harry does learn to do it, maybe he can teach the OOTP and the DA. [19:49] *** CedrellaBlack has joined #lounge [19:49] <SoonerGryffindor> I understand the theory behind it. You use something that you feel safe with to fight off the depresssion and it makes you happy, but I wonder at how this same spell is used as a messaging system [19:49] <ProngsPatronus> hey, cedrella [19:49] <penguin1124> the the oopt already know it [19:49] <CedrellaBlack> Hey, prongs! [19:49] <CedrellaBlack> Hey everyone! [19:49] <penguin1124> hi [19:49] <bubblehead> oh it means like away from the heart in latin [19:49] <SoonerGryffindor> hey Ced [19:49] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Hey [19:49] <bubblehead> or out of [19:49] <bubblehead> sorry [19:49] <bubblehead> out of the heart [19:49] <CedrellaBlack> What is the question [19:49] <SoonerGryffindor> out of the heart? [19:50] *** Love4Fawkes has joined #lounge [19:50] <bubblehead> yea [19:50] <SoonerGryffindor> repeat of last question: Expecto Patronum! This advanced spell drives away Dementors; Dumbledore used it as a method to carry messages between the Order members.How else may Harry use this advanced magic? [19:50] <fawkes28> hey Love4Fawkes [19:50] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Well, I see patronuses as existing on another rhelm... like where our feelings exist... which is the same place where Dementors exist. Patronuses are created by feelings that repel the things that cause despair, so I see Patronuses as like the protectors of the emotional mind... existing on the plane of emotions [19:50] <CedrellaBlack> Hey Love [19:50] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Hmm makes me think of heartworm.... [19:50] <Love4Fawkes> hi! [19:50] <SoonerGryffindor> hey Love [19:50] <penguin1124> maybe he will send it into the veil [19:50] <SoonerGryffindor> so can this spell be seen as love? [19:50] <fawkes28> it needs to be summoned by positive thoughts and i think he will have to do more of this type of spell [19:52] <Aislinn> it seems to be an embodiment of love, sooner [19:52] <SoonerGryffindor> cause I dont think LV stands a chance of being able to pull it off [19:52] <SoonerGryffindor> seriously [19:52] <ProngsPatronus> expecto means to send forth from oneself [19:52] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think it's of strong emotions, or of pure positive emotions [19:52] <ProngsPatronus> if the idea is that the soul resides in the heart [19:52] <penguin1124> any1 agree with my theory? [19:52] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Hmm that's interesting would it be able to go to Sirus communicate with him and then come bakc to HArry and be the messenger... Could it messenge for a whole conversation... if messenge is a word [19:52] <ProngsPatronus> then I can see a Patronus coming from one's capacity for love [19:52] <penguin1124> excatly [19:52] <SoonerGryffindor> so Harry can do a spell that most likely LV cant I bet [19:52] <Love4Fawkes> that is a great point sooner, LV would never beable to pull off a Patronus [19:53] <penguin1124> well we have no idea of that, i mean we have seen lv happy [19:53] <penguin1124> or atleast harry has felt lv being happy [19:53] <CedrellaBlack> So does that mean that you think that Voldy wouldnt be able to produce a corporeal patronus? [19:53] <Love4Fawkes> that's true penguin, but not that truely deep down inside happy. more of an evil happy. [19:53] <penguin1124> i guess [19:53] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> Harry creates his patronus right after believing that his father was the one who protected him... he has such strong emotions toward his father just then, that his patronus took his father's form [19:53] <bubblehead> what do you think would happen if Harry sent a patronus at LV? [19:53] <SoonerGryffindor> well, if it requires feeling love, then I would say he is incapable of it [19:53] <ProngsPatronus> I think that, if LV produced a Patronus, it would be diseased [19:54] <penguin1124> yes [19:54] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> just like Tonk's patronus changes into a werewolf [19:54] <SoonerGryffindor> The age-old question: What is the nature of Snape's Patronus? [19:54] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> What would LV's patronus be? [19:54] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [19:54] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [19:54] <Belarosa> a bat [19:54] <SoonerGryffindor> I cant wait to see this [19:54] <penguin1124> i think a patronus represents something you really love [19:54] <ProngsPatronus> I think it is a spider [19:54] <CedrellaBlack> Not that he needs to be able to produce a patronus, nbecuase he inflicts so much fear [19:55] <penguin1124> i mean harry's= his father [19:55] <CedrellaBlack> I like that prongs [19:55] <lothlorien> This will really depend on interpretation. whether you believe Snape is loyal or a betrayer. [19:55] <Love4Fawkes> I think a patronus represents something inside of you [19:55] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> but ron's is a little dog, penguin [19:55] <ProngsPatronus> well, he lives in Spinner's End [19:55] <fawkes28> it is definitely NOT a phoenix [19:55] <penguin1124> maybe snape really is jsut attached to the dark arts [19:55] <SoonerGryffindor> I am one of those that predict his patronus wll be the Augury [19:55] <ProngsPatronus> he is a spy, which is referenced by the Sphinx [19:55] <Love4Fawkes> that's so true fawkes! [19:55] <bubblehead> agree sooner [19:55] <fawkes28> he is not allowed to share fawkes with me or with love4fawkes [19:55] <SoonerGryffindor> which is a type of phenix [19:55] <Love4Fawkes> exactly! [19:56] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Haha ok we elimnated phoenix... let's just go down the list of animals and elimated... hahah ok not a fly, not a ladybug [19:56] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> nice, sooner that's the one that can imitate anything, right? [19:56] <SoonerGryffindor> or phoenix even [19:56] <fawkes28> nope, sooner [19:56] <ProngsPatronus> you mean like a Simurgh? [19:56] <penguin1124> but ur patronus connects u to something [19:56] <SoonerGryffindor> its the Irish phoenix. Looks like a vulture [19:56] <fawkes28> he needs a basilisk [19:56] <SoonerGryffindor> it ties into his mum, I think [19:56] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> He should have something slimely [19:56] * chocolateisnotforbreakfast hugs sooner! [19:56] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> we're on the same page! [19:56] <SoonerGryffindor> yay! [19:56] <Belarosa> a lion lol that would be great pay back [19:56] <CedrellaBlack> I think it would only be an Augury if Snape was on the side of bad, becasue if we assume that Dumbledore's patronus is a pheonix it would show them as being on opposite sides [19:56] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha bela [19:57] <SoonerGryffindor> no [19:57] <penguin1124> well i guess [19:57] <SoonerGryffindor> it would actually show he is goo [19:57] <SoonerGryffindor> d [19:57] <bubblehead> hmmm [19:57] <CedrellaBlack> oh okay I see [19:57] <Love4Fawkes> well Herminoe's is an otter and otters are clever, but playful. Cho's is a swan, grace and beauty. how do we describe snape [19:57] <penguin1124> i mean it might just mean the only thing he loves is the dark arts [19:57] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> He is goo though we know that :P [19:56] <Belarosa> what is ginny's i wonder [19:56] <ProngsPatronus> auguries are not bad creatures, are they, sooner [19:57] <fawkes28> it has to be something sneaky [19:57] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> chameleon? [19:57] <SoonerGryffindor> no [19:57] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Um no [19:57] <SoonerGryffindor> they are not bad at all [19:57] <lothlorien> I have to go. Bye for now. [19:57] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> bye lothlorien! [19:57] <SoonerGryffindor> bye lothlorien [19:57] <CedrellaBlack> I think maybe a sloth tongue [19:57] *** lothlorien has quit [Bye] [19:57] <penguin1124> c ya [19:57] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> bye loth! [19:57] <ProngsPatronus> bye, lothlorien [19:57] <Love4Fawkes> bye lothlorien [19:57] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha ced [19:57] <fawkes28> even if snape were to be on the good side, sooner - Snape is not a nice person and definitely notworthy of a phoenix [19:57] *** penguin1124 left #lounge [] [19:57] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> no he'snot lazy [19:57] <Love4Fawkes> you are all assuming snape is bad, what if he's on the right side? [19:58] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think his would represent something that isn't what it seems [19:58] *** penguin1124 has joined #lounge [19:58] <fawkes28> it still wouldnt be a phoenix [19:58] <ProngsPatronus> I believe that is why we have not seen his Patronus, Love [19:58] <SoonerGryffindor> Snape is good. The End [19:58] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Yes i think he's on the 'good side' but he's still a mean and cruel person [19:58] <Aislinn> that makes sense, chocolate [19:58] <fawkes28> he is not a perfect character [19:58] <bubblehead> maybe it's something embaressing like a turtle [19:58] <fawkes28> he is not harry [19:58] <Love4Fawkes> very right fawkes! he's so not a phoenix! [19:58] <Aislinn> something mysterious and misleading [19:58] *** penguin1124 left #lounge [] [19:58] <CedrellaBlack> I know lol but could you imagine a sloth as a patronus slinking along to kill the dementors [19:58] <Belarosa> he has issues [19:58] <fawkes28> if anyone deserves a phoenix, it is harry - not snape [19:58] <SoonerGryffindor> In the Goblet of Fire, Harry had trouble learning the Accio spell. Later it saved his life at the graveyard. What do you think are the limitations of this spell? [19:58] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> exactly, aislinn... but i can't think of an animal that would represent that [19:58] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> maybe a shark [19:58] <SoonerGryffindor> well, there are distance locations [19:58] <Aislinn> a chameleon? [19:59] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i already called chameleon! smile [19:59] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Are the sooner? [19:59] <Love4Fawkes> well he can't summons aqua lungs across muggle lands [19:59] <SoonerGryffindor> I mean, after a certain distance it wouldnt work [19:59] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [19:59] <CedrellaBlack> Do you have to know where it is to summon it? [19:59] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> I mean how far can you go? Would it just get weaker or is there a bold boundary of where it stops? [19:59] <SoonerGryffindor> I also think you need to be specific. If you just said "accio chocolate" how much chocolate would come? [19:59] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> no, ced, because molly got all the hidden things off fred and george [19:59] <Aislinn> that might be true, cedrella [19:59] <NYBookworm> I think it's similar to appartion where you need to really concentrate on what you mean while doing it [19:59] <CedrellaBlack> well yeah but she new they were there chocolate [19:59] <SoonerGryffindor> not that too much chocolate is a bad thing laugh [19:59] <Aislinn> ooh, that's right - the treats that were hidden all over them [20:00] <Love4Fawkes> who cares how much chocolate you get! [20:00] <fawkes28> i think concentration, which is difficult when you have so much on your mind like harry [20:00] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> but not exactly where... like if i said "accio remote" for my hidden remote, would it come, even if i didn't know where it was [20:00] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Have any of the characters ever accio-ed something they didn't know where it was at and actually got it? [20:00] <Love4Fawkes> probably if you think about 1 candy bar you get one candy bar. if you think about more you get more [20:00] <ProngsPatronus> I think it is diectional, and requires a specificity of focus [20:00] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, but would all of the remotes in your house come? [20:00] <Love4Fawkes> i think that would work well chocolate [20:00] <ProngsPatronus> *directional [20:00] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha sooner... with my skill, probably [20:01] <NYBookworm> I think with accio you have to concentrate on what not where [20:01] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i'd get my neighbor's remotes [20:01] * SoonerGryffindor imagines chocolate doging all of the remotes as they come flying at her [20:01] <CedrellaBlack> Maybe if you are thinking of the specific remote [20:01] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Wouldn't you have to be speficically thinking of one remote and only that one [20:01] <CedrellaBlack> hahahaa [20:01] <Love4Fawkes> i agree NYBookworm [20:01] <Love4Fawkes> lol sooner [20:01] <ProngsPatronus> I doubt it would work on electronics [20:01] <CedrellaBlack> But how far is too far? [20:01] <CedrellaBlack> to get sometihinh [20:01] <Love4Fawkes> maybe there isn't a too far [20:01] <SoonerGryffindor> well, from the castle to the quidditch pitch isnt too far [20:01] *** Belarosa has quit [Bye] [20:01] <SoonerGryffindor> we know that [20:01] *** Belarosa has joined #lounge [20:01] <ProngsPatronus> there is also the fact that Harry couldn't accio the Horcrux [20:02] <ProngsPatronus> in the cave [20:02] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Fair point Prongs but what if it was just a book or something [20:02] <SoonerGryffindor> I still wonder about that [20:02] <NYBookworm> maybe the distance would depend on how well you could concetrate and how powerful of a spell you were capable of [20:02] <Love4Fawkes> that was because of other protections though, not distance [20:02] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> and Accio got the twin's locked up brooms.... so there's more power than just bringing it to you [20:02] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that's because it wasnt really a horcurx [20:02] <Aislinn> it was strong enough of a spell, that the twins were able to cause their brooms to pull out of a wall and crash right through a closed door [20:02] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> if the twins brooms were locked up, accio got them free, too [20:02] <Love4Fawkes> that's a good point bookworm [20:02] <ProngsPatronus> good point, sooner [20:02] <Love4Fawkes> accio got them free and through a door. that's strong magic [20:02] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i thought it was because the inferi blocked the accio horcrux? [20:02] <CedrellaBlack> Maybe Voldemort put a spell on the Cave so that certain things could not be Accio;d [20:03] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> by jumping out of the water [20:03] <ProngsPatronus> I think that is because the twins, together, are more than the sum of their parts--and so is their magic [20:03] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> creeeeeepily [20:03] <Aislinn> it wasn't a Horcrux - I agree sooner [20:03] <CedrellaBlack> So you;re saying the inferi absorbed spells? [20:03] <Love4Fawkes> i think the horcrux just had so much protection it couldn't be removed from the liquid until it was gone [20:03] <Aislinn> I love that, prongs [20:03] <CedrellaBlack> hmm intersting [20:03] <CedrellaBlack> I agree love [20:03] <SoonerGryffindor> . Harry tries to use this spell for his wand when hit by the Full Body Bind in the Half-Blood Prince. Why do you think this spell did not work non-verbally? [20:03] <Love4Fawkes> the inferi came out because they were disturbed by the magic [20:04] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Maybe he's not strong enough to do it non-verbally [20:04] <Aislinn> most magic needs a wand to work [20:04] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> because harry wasn't that good at nonverbal magic [20:04] <CedrellaBlack> Becuase wouldnt that be wandless magic? [20:04] <Love4Fawkes> he was in a full body bind and that made it impossible to cast the spell [20:04] <CedrellaBlack> and maybe he didnt have the power at the moment [20:04] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think lumos is much easier, which is the only wandless magic harry has ever done [20:04] <CedrellaBlack> we know he is capable of wandless magic but he was very week [20:04] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it would be hard to accio your wand in any circumstances. Verbally or non-verbally [20:04] <bubblehead> Harry never showed particular skills when learn nonverbal magic in HBP [20:04] <CedrellaBlack> he has done other things before he knew he was a wizard whioch is still 3wandless magic [20:04] <ProngsPatronus> well do you think that the spell can be used non-verbally? [20:05] <fawkes28> yes, bubblehead - his strength is verbal spells [20:05] <Love4Fawkes> that's true sooner. when he looses his wand in the woods he uses lumos to find it, not occio to get it [20:05] <Belarosa> he did do levicorpse non verbal the first time didn't he [20:05] <Aislinn> I think most of them can be, prongs [20:05] <SoonerGryffindor> what would interest me would be to see if Harry could have used any nonverbal spells in that situation if he had ahold of his wand [20:05] <CedrellaBlack> I think that all spells can be used non-verbally with the correct skill [20:05] <ProngsPatronus> see--I am not sure about that [20:05] <Aislinn> the kids say the words out loud because it doesn't take as much focus - once you've mastered a certain level of skill, then you can direct your thoughts without speaking them [20:05] <ProngsPatronus> I think some spells have to be verbalised [20:06] <Love4Fawkes> i think that might be true ced, but i don't think all spells can be done without a wand. [20:06] <SoonerGryffindor> I am on the fence with that. Hence my curiosity to see if it would have worked for him to accio something nonverbally This post has been edited by Aislinn: Jun 6 2007, 09:02 PM |
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[20:06] <NYBookworm> I think it was like luke using the force in ice cave he needed to believe he could do it and concentrate and in Harry's case he didn't
[20:06] <Aislinn> there may be a few, but I bet they are the most complex ones [20:06] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> it's the same in Eragon... he first learns how to do magic with words, but it isn't until later that he can perform the magic by concentrating on the words hard enough... but the words are what are still importatn [20:06] <SoonerGryffindor> that is a good comparison NYB [20:06] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> I think only very powerful spells have to verbal... such as Avada K. [20:06] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> if you can accio a wand, wandlessly, it makes no sense to have a disarming spell [20:06] *** fawkes28 has quit [Bye] [20:06] <SoonerGryffindor> right [20:06] <Aislinn> right chocolate [20:06] <SoonerGryffindor> very good point chocolate [20:07] <ProngsPatronus> that is a very good point, chocolate [20:07] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> true [20:07] <Love4Fawkes> i would think that a select few spells need to be done verbally, like AK, or Patronus [20:07] <SoonerGryffindor> Sectumsempra is a Dark curse invented by Snape. Harry uses it on Draco, with disastrous results. Snape "crooned" the reversal spell; why do you think that the reversal to this spell was not found in the Potions book? [20:07] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Yes only powerful concenraction spells need wnads [20:07] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> was it a reversal spell? i thought it was a healing spell? [20:07] <SoonerGryffindor> I think its something he developed when he got older [20:07] <Aislinn> because it was not a spell causing the curse to end [20:07] <Love4Fawkes> maybe it was in the potions book in some other margin [20:07] <Aislinn> like the levicorpus one [20:07] <CedrellaBlack> probably becuase he made it after he was gone from school [20:07] <bubblehead> maybe he didnt make it up untill after [20:07] <CedrellaBlack> so he didnt need the book [20:07] <Aislinn> it was a different kind of spell, used to heal [20:08] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> right, aislinn [20:08] <SoonerGryffindor> 16 year old Snape would not have cared about a counter-curse. 36 year old Snape did [20:08] <ProngsPatronus> the spell would be different, but the effect of the spell is a reversal [20:08] <Love4Fawkes> oh right, a healing spell. not a reversal spell. that makes sense. [20:08] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> I agree aislinn [20:08] <Aislinn> it wasn't a reversal spell, in the same way that liberacorpus was [20:08] <bubblehead> oh i agree sooner [20:09] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree. It was not a reversal. It was a form of healing that Snape learned [20:09] <ProngsPatronus> that is an excellent point, Sooner [20:09] <Belarosa> that is what i thought it was [20:09] <SoonerGryffindor> . Do you think that the Sectumsempra is Dark magic? Can you think of any good uses for which this spell might be used? [20:09] <ProngsPatronus> the result is the same as a reversal spell [20:10] <CedrellaBlack> yes i think it is dark magic [20:10] <bubblehead> i think it's dark magic [20:10] <CedrellaBlack> maybe to hurt voldy smile [20:10] <Love4Fawkes> i guess its dark magic [20:10] <ProngsPatronus> I was thinking surgery [20:10] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Um does dark magic have good uses? [20:10] <SoonerGryffindor> I see it this way. A scalpel in the hands of a surgeon can save lives. In the hands of a psychotic murderer, its not such a good thing [20:10] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> self defense - maybe against animals - maybe there is some other affect it has, to the mind or to emotions, that Harry doesn't know or experience [20:10] <NYBookworm> maybe undoing something (like devils snare that has trappe you [20:10] <Belarosa> well snape did say it that he didn't believe harry had it in him to use such a dark spell right [20:10] <Love4Fawkes> what would sectumsempra do to an object i wonder? [20:11] <SoonerGryffindor> right NYB. That would be an excellent use for SS [20:11] *** MirandaV has joined #lounge [20:11] <CedrellaBlack> I dont think it would have an effect love [20:11] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> dunno, love4fawkes... diffindo is what normally rips objects apart, or disassembles them [20:11] <SoonerGryffindor> cut it, I think [20:11] <SoonerGryffindor> hey Miranda [20:11] <ProngsPatronus> hey, miranda [20:11] <MirandaV> hi all [20:11] <Aislinn> hey miranda [20:11] <CedrellaBlack> hola miranda [20:11] <bubblehead> hi mirander [20:11] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Wow to an object ...cool thought... I wonder if you could like tear building down wit it... not that that is good but just to see how powerful it is [20:11] <Love4Fawkes> that's true. hi miranda [20:11] <bubblehead> miranda** [20:11] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> hey mir [20:12] <Belarosa> hi [20:12] <ProngsPatronus> there is already a spell for that, though [20:12] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that Setrusempra is more precise than diffendo [20:12] <ProngsPatronus> I was thinking reducto [20:12] <CedrellaBlack> alright guys I am getting very tired I am going to go tosleep smile [20:12] <Aislinn> it seems to be [20:12] <Aislinn> bye ced smile [20:12] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha, i wanna sectumsempra my hair... it's way too long [20:12] <Belarosa> night [20:12] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Bye Ced [20:12] <MirandaV> bye ced [20:12] <CedrellaBlack> byebye!! hopefully I will be back for the next CB chat [20:12] <Love4Fawkes> i guess i was thinking more along the lines of the veil [20:12] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> bye ced! [20:12] <Love4Fawkes> bye ced [20:12] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> yes! come back! [20:12] *** CedrellaBlack left #lounge [] [20:12] <bubblehead> bye ced [20:12] <SoonerGryffindor> It is time to examine the worst curses we know, the Unforgivables: Imperius, Cruciatus, and Avada Kedavra. These curses set the standard for evil in the Harry Potter series; to date, Harry has been unable to perform them properly. [20:13] <SoonerGryffindor> Why do you think these three curses, out of all the spells in the Harry Potter series, are Unforgivable? [20:13] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Obvious answer...You can't forgive them? [20:13] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i have no idea... i mean, you can kill someone by sectumsempraing them, so why is that different than avada kedavra? because there's no way to undo it once it's been done? [20:13] <MirandaV> I think that they have the worst results or the ability to produce the worst results [20:13] <SoonerGryffindor> I love how Jo emphasizes what are the most important things. [20:13] <Love4Fawkes> one causes death and the other two harm in unthinkable ways [20:13] <Belarosa> because don't u have to enjoy the fact u are causing harm to the being [20:13] <Aislinn> I think that sectumsempra can be blocked though, chocolate [20:14] <Love4Fawkes> can you kill someone with sectrumsempra? [20:14] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Well sectumsempra is an unknown, homemade to say spell so that is probebly why it isn't one of the three [20:14] <Aislinn> yes, sooner - life, free will, and freedom from pain [20:14] <ProngsPatronus> Draco would have died, I think [20:14] <SoonerGryffindor> one takes away your free will, another causes torture and the third your life [20:14] <SoonerGryffindor> snap Aislinn [20:14] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> from blood loss , yes [20:14] <SoonerGryffindor> lots of spells can kill [20:15] <ProngsPatronus> yes--body, will, and spirit, sooner [20:15] <SoonerGryffindor> but AK has only one purpose [20:15] <Love4Fawkes> true, but that can be healed. AK cannot be blocked or healed. that makes it very different than sectumsempra [20:15] <SoonerGryffindor> that is why it is an UF and setumsempra is not [20:15] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> AK is different because it is direct killing as opposed to something that then later cause death [20:15] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> well, love potion gets rid of someone's free will, too... why aren't those as unforgiveable? [20:15] <Belarosa> u have to have a certain live of hate to directly take the life of another [20:15] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, and other killing curses can be blocked, but AK cannot. That, IMO is why it gets special ranking as an unforgiveable [20:16] <Love4Fawkes> its not the same as controlling someone's every move [20:16] <Belarosa> level' [20:16] <MirandaV> I think it's also the feeling behind the curse [20:16] <Love4Fawkes> yes miranda, feeling and intent [20:16] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> I agree miranda [20:16] <MirandaV> You have to have very strong evil in you to perform these curses correctly [20:16] <Belarosa> yes very true [20:16] <ProngsPatronus> I think one's soul has to be damaged to do spells like that [20:17] <ProngsPatronus> not torn or split, but damaged in some way [20:17] <bubblehead> i agree prongs [20:17] <MirandaV> I agree Prongs [20:17] <SoonerGryffindor> so.... AK cannot be used for anything except killing, it cannot be blocked, and you have to really mean evil to cast it. Does that sum it up? [20:17] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> feeling and intent aren't important for every spell, as evidenced by sectumsempra... but for some it is key, like Expecto Patronum... and if you're on the Snape is Good side, there doesn't have to be completely bad intentions behind the killing [20:17] <Love4Fawkes> that makes sense prongs [20:17] <Love4Fawkes> yup, sure does sooner [20:17] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Damaged soul, eh? So in theory could Draco have killed DD or not? [20:18] <Love4Fawkes> killing DD would have damaged draco's soul [20:18] <ProngsPatronus> I don't think Draco's soul is damaged like that yet [20:18] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Draco would have stood a better chance of dropping a piano on his head than casting AK, but that's just me [20:18] <ProngsPatronus> his father is another story [20:18] <MirandaV> Snape himself says you have to mean it to perform an unforgivable [20:18] <Aislinn> I agree sooner [20:18] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think that snape's intentions of good prevented his soul from being damaged [20:18] <Love4Fawkes> lol, i agree sooner [20:18] <Belarosa> yes lol [20:18] <bubblehead> lol nice sooner [20:18] <MirandaV> Well, I don't think Snape is good, so.... [20:18] <SoonerGryffindor> . Moody uses the Imperius Curse on Krum during the third task. Harry has a strong resistance to this curse. What makes Harry so resistant? [20:19] <Love4Fawkes> i would like to think that myself chocolate [20:19] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> If his soul isn't damaged then Voldemort really didn't think he was going to do it and blah blah blah...... lol sooner [20:19] <ProngsPatronus> the thing is, I think Draco has the will to do it [20:19] <Belarosa> well the road to perdition is pave with good intentions [20:19] <SoonerGryffindor> I think this is a hint as to how Harry is going to survive book 7 [20:19] <MirandaV> I think that Harry is resistant because he has a strong will of his own [20:19] <Love4Fawkes> i agree miranda [20:19] <MirandaV> He knows who he is [20:19] <Aislinn> I think Harry's character and will are the reason [20:20] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Strong will power. [20:20] <SoonerGryffindor> it is also a hint of the graveyard scene at the end of GoF. Harry had a stronger will than LV [20:20] <ProngsPatronus> many adult wizards, and strong ones, have fallen under the Imperius curse [20:20] <Aislinn> yes, sooner [20:20] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> He doesn't like freedoms taken from him [20:20] <MirandaV> oh, good one sooner [20:20] <Love4Fawkes> yes he certainly did sooner [20:20] <Aislinn> he was able to will the spell right into LV's wand [20:20] <SoonerGryffindor> yep [20:20] <ProngsPatronus> Crouch knew who he was, yet it happened to him [20:20] <Love4Fawkes> that's true prongs, but you can be strong and not have a strong will [20:21] <MirandaV> Yes, but it's the will too, plus I think Harry is more powerful than even he knows [20:21] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> his character - i think it's among the powers he got "enhanced" from Voldemort as a baby... he is advanced when it comes to his ambition and will and his ability to do complex things when he sets his mind to it... strength of mind is huge for him [20:21] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> true fawkes [20:21] <ProngsPatronus> crouch had a strong will [20:21] <bubblehead> well i've gotta go guys [20:21] <bubblehead> bye everyone [20:21] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> bye bubble [20:21] *** bubblehead left #lounge [] [20:21] <MirandaV> Bye bubble [20:21] <SoonerGryffindor> this is part of the magic that LV does not understan. Bye bubble [20:21] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> bye bubblehead! [20:21] <Belarosa> bye bubble [20:21] <ProngsPatronus> I think so, too, sooner [20:21] <MirandaV> I'm reluctant to attribute everything Harry can do to LV [20:21] <Love4Fawkes> maybe he did, but I think crouch was a pretty beaten down wizard by GoF [20:21] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> why, miranda? it's not ability that makes Harry who he is... but his choices smile [20:22] <Aislinn> i don't think he got that stuff from LV at all chocolate [20:22] <Belarosa> yes good choco [20:22] <MirandaV> True, but he also has abilities, not only choices [20:22] <ProngsPatronus> I don't, either, Aislinn [20:22] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think that they have matched abilities [20:22] <Aislinn> right miranda, and he comes from two talented wizards [20:22] <Aislinn> it is likely that he inherited attributes from them [20:22] <MirandaV> If he had no ability what so ever then he wouldn't have been a wizard from birth [20:22] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> which makes it that much more imporant what they've done with them [20:22] <MirandaV> He was born before LV did anything [20:22] <ProngsPatronus> it is off-topic, but I do think that Harry is a powerful wizard in his own right [20:22] <SoonerGryffindor> Why is this an Unforgivable Curse? What is the difference between this curse and possession? [20:23] <Aislinn> I agree prongs [20:23] <MirandaV> I agree Prongs [20:23] <Aislinn> and his strength of character is all his [20:23] *** SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] [20:23] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [20:23] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> I think posession is not so much a curse or a type of magic than it is a state of being [20:23] <MirandaV> definitely Aislinn [20:23] <Belarosa> but wouldn't u say that harry has a strong will of character and that is what fuels his abilites [20:24] <MirandaV> I think a curse is cast upon someone, possession means someone is physically inhabiting your body [20:24] <SoonerGryffindor> I think one of the main differences is that you have to maintain contact with possession [20:24] <Love4Fawkes> i wonder if you have to give up a part of yourself in order to possess someone else [20:24] <SoonerGryffindor> right [20:24] <MirandaV> I think you do Love4, your soul [20:24] <SoonerGryffindor> I disagree actually [20:24] <MirandaV> No Bela, I think it's what makes his abilities stronger [20:24] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Oh not souls again [20:24] <SoonerGryffindor> because I think Harry is going to have to turn the tables [20:25] <ProngsPatronus> what do you think, sooner? [20:25] <Aislinn> I think he will too sooner [20:25] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that LV is going to get a shock [20:25] <SoonerGryffindor> when Harry is able to invade his mind [20:25] *** hrh7 has joined #lounge [20:25] <Love4Fawkes> i wasn't really thinking your soul. I was thinking more of a temporary something [20:25] <MirandaV> I don't mean you give it up totally, I mean you use it to possess that person [20:25] <ProngsPatronus> hey, hrh [20:25] <hrh7> Hi [20:25] <MirandaV> hi hrh [20:25] <SoonerGryffindor> hello hrh [20:25] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Hey hrh [20:25] <Aislinn> hi hrh [20:25] <ProngsPatronus> so, what is the difference between the two? [20:25] <Love4Fawkes> hi hrh [20:25] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think his abilities were there, but they were enhanced by LV... I like to think they they are equally matched in most things... in strength of will, in ambition, in character, but their choices have led them down such different paths, that it really is an example of choices being more important than ability... it's not a bash against Harry to say that he "made equal" in ability by Voldemort's attack on him, becau [20:26] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> becau..... [20:26] <SoonerGryffindor> The Avada Kedavra spell comes from the Arabic "let the thing be destroyed." Voldemort has used this spell many times in the course of his career. Do you think Harry will ever use this curse? [20:26] <SoonerGryffindor> NONONONONONononononononononononononon [20:26] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> I hope not [20:27] <MirandaV> I don't think you are hurting your soul or making it less than what it is by possessing someone. I think you are putting your soul into their body, for lack of a better word for your thoughts feelings and the actions that result from them. I don't think iit damamges your soul in any way unless you do something within that person that is soul damaging [20:27] <Love4Fawkes> i agree with sooner [20:27] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [20:27] <Aislinn> never, ever [20:27] <Belarosa> nooooo [20:27] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> never, ever, ever? [20:27] <MirandaV> never ever [20:27] <Belarosa> never [20:27] <SoonerGryffindor> unless I have totally misinterpreted how Jo has written Harry, that answer is most definitely no [20:27] <ProngsPatronus> I don't think he has the ability to do this spell, frankly [20:27] <Love4Fawkes> never, not in a million years [20:27] <Aislinn> it is completely against his nature [20:27] <ProngsPatronus> although he may have a momentary surge of anger [20:27] <Belarosa> yes [20:27] <SoonerGryffindor> his secret weapon is supposed to be love [20:28] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> nope - i think he will be like Dumbledore... with the ability and power to do it, but too noble to choose to use those powers in that way [20:28] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Never, ever, ever, ever,ev- ok i'll stop [20:28] <MirandaV> I agree chocolate [20:28] <SoonerGryffindor> I cannot fathom that anybody who can love like him is capable of the AK [20:28] <Aislinn> exactly [20:28] <Belarosa> true [20:28] <SoonerGryffindor> he almost killed Draco accidentally, but that's a dfferent matter [20:28] <ProngsPatronus> I absolutely agree, sooner [20:28] <MirandaV> I agree with Sooner [20:28] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha sooner... harry can do ANYTHING on accident, it seems [20:29] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Yes Harry will be a good, non-AV using person... Actually thinking of it has anyone in the Order ever used AK? [20:29] <Love4Fawkes> would killing draco be that bad? sorry, just kidding [20:29] <SoonerGryffindor> some people would say that destroying Horcruxes is killing, but I disagree with that [20:29] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> oops! i just talked to a snake! [20:29] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [20:29] <Belarosa> the rules of magic don't seem to apply to potter [20:29] <MirandaV> I disagree with that too [20:29] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> uh oh! i made a patronus [20:29] <MirandaV> How is that Bela? [20:29] <ProngsPatronus> I don't think it is killing at all [20:29] <Love4Fawkes> lol, are you agreeing with snape belarosa? [20:29] <Belarosa> yes lol [20:29] <hrh7> But if it comes down to Harry and Voldemort, if Harry can't use that spell, does Voldemort win? [20:30] <ProngsPatronus> I am not sure that the destruction of the vessel necessarily destroys the soul shard [20:30] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Not exactly [20:30] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> not if he kills him with a valentine, hrh [20:30] <SoonerGryffindor> well, in a way Snape is right. Harry is quite extraordinary in that he doesnt use traditional forms of magic to succeed [20:30] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i mean... with love [20:30] <MirandaV> One could say that LV already killed that part of himself to put it into the vessel [20:30] <Love4Fawkes> i don't think so hrh because DD defeated Grinwold without AK [20:30] <Aislinn> no hrh- LV will be his own undoing [20:30] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> A big BEAR hug should do the trick! [20:30] <SoonerGryffindor> LV will off himself, the idiot [20:30] <MirandaV> *snort* chocolate roses are red, violets are blue, hey Voldie, I love you [20:30] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> hahaha miranda! [20:30] <Love4Fawkes> lol [20:30] <Belarosa> lmao [20:30] <Belarosa> great one [20:30] *** lothlorien has joined #lounge [20:30] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> lol [20:30] <ProngsPatronus> wb, lothlorien [20:30] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> hey loth! [20:31] <Love4Fawkes> wb lothlorien [20:31] <ProngsPatronus> back to the question [20:31] <MirandaV> hi loth [20:31] <Belarosa> hey loth welcome back [20:31] <lothlorien> Thanks. [20:31] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> what's the question? [20:31] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> lol [20:31] <Love4Fawkes> oh right, there was a question [20:31] <SoonerGryffindor> It is said that this curse is unblockable, yet Dumbledore blocked this curse with a statue during the Department of Mysteries battle. What does unblocakble really mean, and how can Harry use this to his advantage? [20:31] <SoonerGryffindor> new question [20:31] <MirandaV> I think it means that you cannot block it with a spell [20:31] <SoonerGryffindor> we are talking about the AK [20:31] <MirandaV> There is not anti AK block [20:31] <Belarosa> well to find out how harry will destroy Lord V than we have to see how DD destroy Grindelwald [20:31] <Love4Fawkes> unblockable means there is no countercurse or way to block it with a spell [20:31] <Aislinn> I think it means you can't use Protego or something like that [20:32] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> it's blockable by physical things, but not by things on the spiritual plane... magic is not physical, so it can't block the Avada Kedavra [20:32] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Unblockable in my opinion means can't be blocked by another spell [20:32] <SoonerGryffindor> well, we also saw the gravestones block it at the end of GoF [20:32] <SoonerGryffindor> but yes, I would agree that "unblockable" means you cant magically block it with another spell [20:32] <MirandaV> However, you can put things in the way of it, or fawkes can swallow it, [20:32] <Love4Fawkes> and fawkes swallowed an AK curse to protect DD [20:32] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> when it hits a living body, it is much different than when it hit something else, like a rock [20:32] <Belarosa> and the fountain creatures in Ootp [20:32] <lothlorien> There is the love that blocked it for Harry. Can something inherent in a person. like love, block curses such as this? [20:32] <ProngsPatronus> I think it has more to do with the nature of the inanimate object one is using [20:32] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> I think physical things can deflect spells [20:32] <ProngsPatronus> a statue and a gravestone are both stone [20:32] <MirandaV> Maybe it has to be stone [20:33] <MirandaV> I was channeling Prongs [20:33] <SoonerGryffindor> unles you are fawkes [20:33] <Belarosa> true [20:33] <Love4Fawkes> that was the first and only time something like that had blocked an AK curse lothlorien. i think only DD understood it. [20:33] <ProngsPatronus> fawkes died [20:33] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah [20:33] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> what [20:33] <SoonerGryffindor> luckily he's a phoenix [20:33] <MirandaV> Yes, but fawkes is extra special and has unlimited lives [20:33] <ProngsPatronus> because fawkes was a phoenix, he regenerated [20:33] <Belarosa> which isn't fair [20:33] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, it turned him back into a baby [20:33] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> oh right [20:34] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> it's just like reset [20:34] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [20:34] <Love4Fawkes> lol, yup phoenix resest [20:34] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> i need a reset button [20:34] <Love4Fawkes> reset [20:34] <Belarosa> lol [20:34] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> it would be useful [20:34] <Belarosa> very [20:34] <Love4Fawkes> i would never want to live life over and over again [20:34] <SoonerGryffindor> Bellatrix killed a fox with a curse on her way to Spinner's End. Do you think she used the Avada Kedavra? Does this mean that the Unforgivables can be done nonverbally? [20:34] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> You could do crazy stuff and then just RESET! [20:34] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> but annoying... i'd hate to be a baby all of a sudden [20:35] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> "someone feeeeed me!" [20:35] <Love4Fawkes> maybe as a pheonix it would be so bad [20:35] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> true [20:35] <SoonerGryffindor> this is quite scary [20:35] <Belarosa> hmmm good question sooner [20:35] <SoonerGryffindor> I think she did do a nonverbal AK [20:35] <Aislinn> I do think she used an AK [20:35] <MirandaV> I think that it could be, come to think of it did LV use the words against DD? [20:35] <Love4Fawkes> i think she used AK [20:35] <hrh7> If Harry is still protected as long as he returns to Privet Drive, is he still protected from that curse? If so, did Snape know that at the end of book 6? [20:35] <SoonerGryffindor> actually Prongs wrote all of the wonderful q's for tonight [20:35] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Oh poopy that destroys my theory on non-verbal [20:35] <Belarosa> ok [20:35] <MirandaV> I don't think he is now hrh [20:35] <Love4Fawkes> by the time she killed the fox she had done the AK curse so much it was second nature so she didn't need to do it verbally [20:36] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> it can be nonverbal... i think Voldemort's attack on Harry was nonverbal, wasn't it, because he didn't remember Voldemort saying Avada Kedavra when he relived the memories around dementors, he just remembered green light [20:36] <SoonerGryffindor> but its scary because all DE's should be able to [20:36] <lothlorien> She has used this spell so casually when she kills the fox. She barely thinks about it. I think this tells us how often she uses it. Maybe she doesn't have to think about it much to use it now. [20:36] <MirandaV> That's true Sooner [20:36] <SoonerGryffindor> that is I think the whole reason for the fox lothlorien [20:36] <Love4Fawkes> i agree lothlorien [20:36] <SoonerGryffindor> to show us how casually she treats this [20:36] <ProngsPatronus> that is what I find horrific about her, lothlorien [20:36] <MirandaV> It's to illustrate how twisted Bella really is [20:36] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i think it's more scary that she didn't know what it was... if it had been some muggle teenager that snuck out at night or something... she was just "oh, it's a fox" [20:37] <MirandaV> Yes, her casual disregard for life [20:37] <SoonerGryffindor> she truly has no regard for life [20:37] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [20:37] <MirandaV> great minds [20:37] <SoonerGryffindor> yes [20:37] <Love4Fawkes> chocolate, i thought bella might have thought it was an animagus [20:37] <Belarosa> i have a question: the Death Eaters always boost about knowning so much Dark magic but yet they only default to the AK why is that [20:37] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> ohh, good thinking, love [20:37] <SoonerGryffindor> look at how effective it is [20:37] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> they are wussys [20:38] <MirandaV> Why play with something, just kill it....that should be their motto [20:38] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> lmao [20:38] <SoonerGryffindor> if I have a gun and a knife, chances are I am going to use the gun because that would be easier [20:38] <Belarosa> lol [20:38] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> death eaters... they're all about death [20:38] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [20:38] <lothlorien> It's like criminal muggles go straight for their guns. [20:38] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Sooner I'm worried about you [20:38] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [20:38] <SoonerGryffindor> theoretically speaking of course [20:38] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha, if i have a gun and a knife, i'd be wondering what I'm doing with both of them! [20:38] <MirandaV> exactly Sooner, why put in the effort it takes for a knife fight when you can shoot them and be done with it [20:38] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Gun or knife, if you meet me choose nither [20:39] <ProngsPatronus> it just seems so hollow to me that De's use that curse so casually [20:39] <SoonerGryffindor> right [20:39] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> True I see your point [20:39] <Belarosa> yes true [20:39] <lothlorien> Raiders of the lost Ark >>> [20:39] <SoonerGryffindor> heheheh [20:39] <SoonerGryffindor> I was so totally thinking that [20:39] <SoonerGryffindor> . Let's turn our attention to some less-lethal spells. The Levicorpus spell turns someone upside down in the air, from the Latin "to lift up" and "body". Why do you think this spell turns someone upside down rather than levitating them? [20:39] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> if the Ministry of Magic can detect magic, I wonder if they detect when and where Avada Kedavra is used? [20:40] <MirandaV> It is hollow Prongs, but they are hollow people who truly have holes in their souls, they are looking for something to fill them and have gone the complete wrong direction [20:40] <Love4Fawkes> it is lifting from the feet so gravity pulls the head done [20:40] <MirandaV> Cause it's funnier that way? [20:40] <ProngsPatronus> nice point, miranda [20:40] <Aislinn> it's interesting that it seems to hook the ankle [20:40] <Belarosa> can u use windgram leviosa on a person [20:40] <Love4Fawkes> down [20:40] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> this spell is among the more pointless ones, it seems, lol [20:41] *** NYBookworm has quit [Bye] [20:41] <SoonerGryffindor> I dunno, it would be nice to use on a DE and then escape [20:41] <SoonerGryffindor> I can see Harry using this agaib [20:41] <Love4Fawkes> if finch wasn't a squib he would love it [20:41] <Belarosa> yes he would [20:41] <MirandaV> It's the same thing that occurs with a lot of evil people I think Prongs [20:41] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> true [20:41] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> true enough, love4fawkes [20:41] <SoonerGryffindor> think of how effective this spell could have been had Harry known this at the battle of the MoM? Its nonverbal [20:41] <lothlorien> You are more helpless in this position plus it is like the muggle rope traps used by pigmys in Africa only with no rope. It takes you totally by surprise. Your wand may fall out of your pocket. It would freak me out if it happened to me suddenly. [20:42] <SoonerGryffindor> right [20:42] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> it makes me tink of the myth with the ankle that my weak mind can not put a name to.... [20:42] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> i wanna know how snape invented it? did he try "Leviosacorpus... no... levifootus... no.... levioedipus.... no...." [20:42] <MirandaV> That's true Sooner. He could have had them all dangling [20:42] * ProngsPatronus think that wearing shorts at all times under the robes is a great idea [20:42] <SoonerGryffindor> remember when Lucius had hold of Harry? Harry would have literally turned him [20:42] <Aislinn> lol chocolate [20:42] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [20:42] <MirandaV> lol [20:42] <Belarosa> Achilles azrael [20:42] <Love4Fawkes> i have always wonder how you create a spell [20:42] <lothlorien> I hope they would have shorts on under their robes! [20:42] *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge [20:43] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> YES belorosa exaactly what i'm thinking of [20:43] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> seriously!! lol and did he just try it in class, nonverbally, until something happened? because nobody would ever be his test subject... and how would he do the counter jinx? [20:43] * SoonerGryffindor wonders if Snape learned his lesson and now wears shorts under his robes [20:43] <SoonerGryffindor> Best piece of wizarding advice ever: Don't use levicorpus on Archie [20:43] <Love4Fawkes> LOL [20:43] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> this makes no sense to me... this is when i feel like the magic is haphazard... this, and when spells combine to create completely random outcomes [20:43] <MirandaV> ?me hopes he does so we enver have to see his grey undies again...blech [20:43] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> lmao [20:44] <MirandaV> oops...I accidently used a question mark...hee hee [20:44] <ProngsPatronus> yes--why doesn't the spell act like the Wingardiium? [20:44] <lothlorien> It sounds like a "trendy" spell that kids would get a kick out of doing for awhile until it becomes boring. [20:45] <MirandaV> I think that's what it was loth, they even say stuff about spells going in and out of fashion [20:45] <lothlorien> You don't see the adult wizards using it. [20:45] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> adults are wierd [20:45] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> my miff isn't so much about what the spell does, but thinking about how it was invented... doesn't the ministry know if a spell has been invented? how would it regulate its use? what's stopping everyone from just trying out their own bits of magic, other than not wanting to make a mess [20:45] <lothlorien> mature, thanks. [20:45] <ProngsPatronus> well, I can imagine a spell like that would not be popular in Scotland, esp amongst the kilt crowd [20:45] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Just kidding [20:46] <Love4Fawkes> i think we could have a chat just about inventing new spells chocolate! [20:46] <MirandaV> lol Prongs [20:46] <SoonerGryffindor> The spells in the Harry Potter world seem to have two elements: the "activator", or part that evokes the magic, and the "objectifier", which directs the magicSometimes, this is determined by a wand, other times, by the word combinations. Let's look at two spells that seem to turn this idea on its head.. [20:46] <SoonerGryffindor> Reducio and Reducto are spells which come from the same root--reducere. Reducio is used as a counterspell to Engorgio, while Reducto smashes objects into dust. Why do they have such different outcomes? [20:46] <lothlorien> That is an excellent question, Choc. You should work for the ministry. I see what you mean. It could get chaotic. [20:46] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> grumble - i want jo to explain magic in HP... where does it come from? are things inherently magical... does the magic come from a person, or from the thing itself? how do magical objects keep being magical after the death of they're creators? [20:47] *** penguin1124 has joined #lounge [20:47] <penguin1124> hi [20:47] <SoonerGryffindor> I admit that this question stumps me. I have no answer [20:47] <ProngsPatronus> sorry [20:47] <penguin1124> what is the question [20:47] <MirandaV> hi penguin [20:47] <SoonerGryffindor> Reducio and Reducto are spells which come from the same root--reducere. Reducio is used as a counterspell to Engorgio, while Reducto smashes objects into dust. Why do they have such different outcomes? [20:47] <Belarosa> well in spanish reducere means to make little [20:48] *** NikkiBell has joined #lounge [20:48] <NikkiBell> Hi all! smile [20:48] <Belarosa> well reducto reduces matter into smaller particles [20:48] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Hi! [20:48] <Belarosa> hi [20:48] <MirandaV> Spanish is rooted in latin, like most languages [20:48] <Love4Fawkes> hi nikki [20:48] <ProngsPatronus> it means the same in Latin, belarosa [20:48] <MirandaV> hi nikki [20:48] <NikkiBell> This is my first time in a chat. [20:48] <MirandaV> That's true Bela [20:48] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome [20:48] <Love4Fawkes> welcome [20:48] <Aislinn> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. [20:48] <penguin1124> i think it is because, yes it does have to do with the root, that is not the only thing that matters when making a spell [20:48] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> welcome [20:48] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> welcome nikki! glad to have you! [20:49] <lothlorien> Hi, Nikki. I'm pretty new, too. [20:49] <SoonerGryffindor> According to the author, hexes and jinxes are incantations that have a "connotation of dark magic... but of a minor sort." She considers hexes to be slightly worse than jinxes, but not as bad as curses. Do you think there is a difference? [20:49] <MirandaV> Well, enjoy, these chats are fun [20:49] <ProngsPatronus> it seems to me that it is a matter of degree [20:49] <MirandaV> If Jo says there's a difference, then there is [20:49] <SoonerGryffindor> explain please Prongs, because I have a hard time with this concept [20:49] <penguin1124> i think that hex has a defititly darker conotation then jinxes [20:49] <Aislinn> since it's Jo's world, she gets to make the rules [20:49] <MirandaV> the word hex seems darker [20:49] <Belarosa> yes [20:49] <Love4Fawkes> i can see that their is a difference [20:49] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> well, ron was talking about curses in Egyptian pyramids, which makes me think that curses are more long lasting, and can exist even after the death of its originator [20:49] *** NikkiBell has quit [Bye] [20:50] <SoonerGryffindor> hex does sound more evile [20:50] <Love4Fawkes> wow, grammar. i meant there [20:50] <ProngsPatronus> yes, I do think there is a difference, even though the words seem to be used interchangeably [20:50] <MirandaV> Yeah...jink makes me think of "jinx you owe me a pop" [20:50] <SoonerGryffindor> is this like the difference between spell and incantation? [20:50] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> haha miranda [20:50] <MirandaV> and everyone not from the midwest is thinking what??? [20:50] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [20:50] <lothlorien> People sometimes confuse bad luck with being jinxed. Any ideas where this idea came from? It was around long before Jo. [20:50] <SoonerGryffindor> I undestsood [20:50] <ProngsPatronus> what makes it all so random is that some of the hexes seem more like curses [20:51] <Love4Fawkes> i know that one and I'm from new england. we just call pop soda [20:51] <SoonerGryffindor> well, the word itself has been around awhile [20:51] <Aislinn> example, prongs? [20:51] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> the bat bogey hex seems pretty awful [20:51] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Later guys! [20:51] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> bye azrael! [20:51] <SoonerGryffindor> bye ASC, glad to see you back [20:51] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> I be on the forums later! [20:51] <penguin1124> see ya [20:51] <Love4Fawkes> bye azrael [20:51] *** AzraelSmurfCatcher has quit [Bye] [20:51] <MirandaV> bye ASC [20:51] <ProngsPatronus> well, the bat-bogey hex, for instance [20:51] <SoonerGryffindor> we've never seen it, but it sounds wicked [20:51] <Love4Fawkes> i love the bat bogey hex on Draco smile [20:52] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [20:52] <penguin1124> lol [20:52] <MirandaV> I'd love to see it personally [20:52] <SoonerGryffindor> me too! [20:52] <Belarosa> lol [20:52] <lothlorien> I think a hex may last longer and be harder to get rid of than a jinx. [20:52] <penguin1124> probably [20:52] <MirandaV> I don't know loth, think about the Jelly Legs jinx [20:52] * SoonerGryffindor wants to see LV with bats all over his face hollering "Geroff!" [20:52] <ProngsPatronus> I think you may be right, lothlorien [20:52] <Love4Fawkes> lol sooner [20:52] <Belarosa> lmao sooner [20:52] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> sounds like a hex is completely dependent on the one who does the magic, to lift it... while a jinx can be lifted by a counterjinx by anyone [20:52] <SoonerGryffindor> Ginny Weasley is famous for her Bat-Bogey Hex, which engorges an opponent's "bogies" to bat size, gives them wings, and sets them to attacking the opponent's face.(Lexicon) What does this tell us about the character of Ginny Weasley? [20:53] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> it doesn't seem like there's an anti-hex [20:53] <MirandaV> that she's freakin awesome [20:53] <SoonerGryffindor> first of all, can I just say Ewwwwwwwwww [20:53] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> that she's funny and so intelligent and fiery!! [20:53] <ProngsPatronus> you most certainly can! [20:53] <Belarosa> great sense of humor [20:53] <Belarosa> lol [20:53] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, that is pretty funny [20:53] <lothlorien> It tells us she is the youngest girl in a family full of mischievous brothers! [20:53] <Aislinn> yes, lothlorien [20:53] <hrh7> Doesn't mind breaking the rules. [20:53] <Aislinn> learned how to hold her own with all those boys [20:53] <Love4Fawkes> she is clever and not easily grossed out! [20:53] <penguin1124> yeah she wants to be like her brothers and she has become like them [20:53] <SoonerGryffindor> definitey [20:54] <ProngsPatronus> I think that this may be an example of her strength as a witch [20:54] <MirandaV> I agree Prongs [20:54] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> watch out for her! she's a clever, self-sufficient, funny girl [20:54] <penguin1124> i think fred and george are her role models( to an extent) [20:54] <SoonerGryffindor> I guess you have to learn how to gross out boys if you live with a ton of them [20:54] <MirandaV> I know I did [20:54] <MirandaV> I have 4 brothers [20:54] * SoonerGryffindor thinks that chocolate might have bumped her head [20:54] * chocolateisnotforbreakfast tries to suppress her hate for a certain redhead [20:55] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [20:55] <lothlorien> Yes, Prongs. I don't think anyone taught her the hex. She had to learn it for family survival. Think how she might get picked on if she didn't do something to earn a little respect. [20:55] <MirandaV> You don't like Ginny? [20:55] <ProngsPatronus> I just think it is a strange choice, given all the other hexes and jinxes she could have chosen [20:55] <SoonerGryffindor> nah, chocolate hates Ginny, but that's okay. [20:55] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> what's not to like! except the fact that there's nothing to not like [20:55] <Love4Fawkes> i think its a very funny choice, but i see your point prongs [20:55] <penguin1124> ginny is awsome [20:55] <Love4Fawkes> how can you hate ginny? [20:55] <MirandaV> Hmmm...that reeked of insincerity....lol [20:55] * chocolateisnotforbreakfast twitches [20:56] <SoonerGryffindor> heheheheh [20:56] <SoonerGryffindor> What are your favourite jinxes and/or hexes, and why? [20:56] <lothlorien> The grosser the hex, the more respect her brothers would have for it. I teach 7th graders, I know. [20:56] <MirandaV> I love Ginny, but I know there are Ginny haters out there...I can't understand it, but I accept their existance [20:56] <Love4Fawkes> lol i'm still trying to work out "Nothing to not like" [20:56] <Aislinn> langlock seems pretty cool [20:56] <MirandaV> double negative ya know [20:56] <SoonerGryffindor> okay, I am confused on what is a spell/jinx or hex [20:56] <Belarosa> the one that makes u grow tentacles [20:56] <ProngsPatronus> the tarantellegra is cool [20:57] <SoonerGryffindor> ooh the toenail thing sounded cool [20:57] <lothlorien> I would have enjoyed using petrificus totallus on a few bullies growing up. [20:57] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> serpentsortia - except i wanna be able to shoot snakes out of my fingers [20:57] <SoonerGryffindor> hey! I just figured out another use for sectrumsempra [20:57] <ProngsPatronus> sooner, Jo has a bit about it on her website [20:57] <penguin1124> that [20:57] <Belarosa> lol choco [20:57] <MirandaV> cuting toenails? [20:57] <MirandaV> oops cutting [20:57] <ProngsPatronus> that is where I got the info [20:57] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah Miranda [20:57] <penguin1124> what is anoother use for sectomspempra [20:57] <SoonerGryffindor> cutting toenais [20:57] <Love4Fawkes> lol [20:58] <penguin1124> i guess [20:58] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> gross [20:58] <SoonerGryffindor> can you imagine? Pedicures done by Snape [20:58] <lothlorien> lol [20:58] <chocolateisnotforbreakfast> funnily enough... i can [20:58] <ProngsPatronus> I wonder what the jelly-brain jinx does, too [20:58] <MirandaV> *snort* I hope someone uses it on LVs then [20:58] <penguin1124> k [20:58] <SoonerGryffindor> ewww [20:59] <SoonerGryffindor> he needs it [20:59] <MirandaV> Snape, could you puhlease cut LV's toenails...they are nasty [20:59] <SoonerGryffindor> so does Peter [20:59] <lothlorien> I want to see a particularly nasty hex used on Bellatrix. I hope Neville brushes up on them. [20:59] <SoonerGryffindor> that would be gratifyiing [20:59] <MirandaV> No one should go out in public like that...or as much as I hate to say it DD's fingernails [20:59] <Love4Fawkes> that would be great lothlorien! [20:59] <penguin1124> yeah [20:59] <MirandaV> Yes, loth [21:00] <Love4Fawkes> maybe wizards are not concerned with such things as finger and toe nails [21:00] <hrh7> Snape's nail salon? [21:00] * SoonerGryffindor thinks Cho should open up a beauty shop in Hogsmeade [21:00] <penguin1124> do u think ne1 would go there? [21:00] <ProngsPatronus> it would be cool if bella was on the wrong end of hermione's Protean Spell [21:00] <SoonerGryffindor> oooh [21:00] <penguin1124> oh yeah [21:00] <MirandaV> Apparently not Love4, otherwise they would stop grossing us all out [21:00] <MirandaV> lol...good one Prongs [21:00] <Love4Fawkes> lol [21:00] <SoonerGryffindor> that's all the question guys [21:00] <SoonerGryffindor> thanks for such a great chat [21:01] <ProngsPatronus> wow--two hors has gone by so fast! [21:01] <penguin1124> yeah [21:01] <penguin1124> that was fun [21:01] <Love4Fawkes> it does go by fast!! [21:01] <ProngsPatronus> hours, even [21:01] <SoonerGryffindor> I love WWW chats [21:01] <penguin1124> when is the next chat? [21:01] <Love4Fawkes> me too! [21:01] <Aislinn> bye everyone - see you soon! [21:01] <lothlorien> Thanks. It was fun. See you next Chat! [21:01] <SoonerGryffindor> Friday night [21:01] <Aislinn> on Friday [21:01] <MirandaV> had fun again tonight guys, unfortunately I had to get a job, so I don't know how often I'll be in here, I'll working 2nd shift tongue [21:01] <ProngsPatronus> bye, everyone--this was great fun [21:01] <SoonerGryffindor> 9pm Eastern we will be talking about the week in Potter news [21:01] <Love4Fawkes> Bye, thanks everyone [21:01] <SoonerGryffindor> sorry to hear that Miranda [21:01] <MirandaV> Me too [21:01] <Aislinn> aww, maybe the weekends, miranda? [21:01] <MirandaV> lol [21:01] <NYBookworm> bye |
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