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 Jun 20 2008, 06:41 PM
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Stocking Snitches at Quality Quidditch Supplies Posts: 656 Joined: 4:16pm April 26, 2008   |
Since there's a topic discussing the fate of Voldemorts earthly remains, I feel it's only fitting to have a discussion on where to bury the honored dead.
I feel that it's fitting that a War Memorial be built at Hogwarts and the remains of those brave souls who gave their lives should be interned there (unless their families wish to intern them elsewhere). Dumbledore tomb would head the cemetary The students of the school should tend the cemetery as the children in some towns in France tend the graves of the soldiers of the Great War. The lessons of the war should be taught at the school that good men should not stand idle and allow evil to florish. The remains of Voldemort and his follower should be respectfully cremated and scattered to the winds far out to sea. -------------------- Work like you don't need the money
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Jun 21 2008, 03:33 AM
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Knight Bus Driver in Training Posts: 594 Joined: 6:25am December 9, 2007 Location: Canada |
"I feel that it's fitting that a War Memorial be built at Hogwarts and the remains of those brave souls who gave their lives should be interned there (unless their families wish to intern them elsewhere). Dumbledore tomb would head the cemetary
The students of the school should tend the cemetery as the children in some towns in France tend the graves of the soldiers of the Great War. The lessons of the war should be taught at the school that good men should not stand idle and allow evil to florish." I think it highly likely that all that you outlined above would come to pass, cooncatbob. Exactly as you wrote it. I'm very sure that is what Jo would want to have take place and, as it is her world and hers alone - as she put in a lot of hard work to create it and bring it to life -, she can make this happen too. It seems just fitting that she would, given what she has opined numerous times in interviews and what she has shown repeatedly in her seven books about both A) the terrible price that war exacts on soldiers and civilians alike, and B) of the importance of standing up against all injustice (and the terrible price sometimes paid for that). (Re point A), JKR went so far as to make reference to how being in the Muggle Second World War permanently scarred Frank Bryce, physically and psycologically. "Frank had come back from the war with a very stiff leg and a great dislike of crowds and loud noises ..." - GoF. We now know that the part I have bolded are frequently symptoms of PTSD.) Maybe the Memorial at Hogwarts will be mentioned in the Scottish Book. Laura "Remember Cedric. Remember, if the time should come when you have to make a choice between what is right, and what is easy, remember what happened to a boy who was good, and kind, and brave, because he strayed across the path of Lord Voldemort. Remember Cedric Diggory." - Albus Dumbledore This post has been edited by Laura W: Jun 21 2008, 04:40 AM |
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Jun 21 2008, 07:43 AM
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Personal Secretary to The Minister of Magic  Posts: 9,182 Joined: 4:57am January 28, 2005 Location: near Muggleswick, UK |
I think all the bodies would be reclaimed by their families, since they would want them buried near them. I am inclined to think there would be a memorial, but it be fairly low key, such as a plaque in the entrance hall, not intrusive, but something everyone would be aware of.
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Jun 21 2008, 10:38 AM
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Stocking Snitches at Quality Quidditch Supplies Posts: 656 Joined: 4:16pm April 26, 2008 |
QUOTE(roonwit @ Jun 21 2008, 05:43 AM)  I think all the bodies would be reclaimed by their families, since they would want them buried near them. I am inclined to think there would be a memorial, but it be fairly low key, such as a plaque in the entrance hall, not intrusive, but something everyone would be aware of. "All the bodies"? We don't have a complete list of the Dead I could imagine the Weasleys for 1 would be honored to have Fred buried at Hogwarts, a place where he spent such happy times raising havoc with his brother George. Tonks and Lupin would also want to be buried there too. Lupin could reap the honors in death he was never accorded in life Dumbledore tomb is already there, 50 graves of the heroes who died there would be fitting and proper, of course those families who want to can bury there dead in their family plots. I don't feel a "Low Key Plaque" would cut it. Would you but a Simple Plaque at the Battle Field of the Somme? It could read "On July 1 1916 Britain suffered 60,000 causalities on the 1st day and over 500,000 total. Wouldn't want something intrusive. This post has been edited by cooncatbob: Jun 21 2008, 10:39 AM -------------------- Work like you don't need the money
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Jun 21 2008, 11:26 AM
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Personal Secretary to The Minister of Magic Posts: 9,182 Joined: 4:57am January 28, 2005 Location: near Muggleswick, UK |
QUOTE(cooncatbob @ Jun 21 2008, 04:38 PM) I could imagine the Weasleys for 1 would be honored to have Fred buried at Hogwarts, a place where he spent such happy times raising havoc with his brother George. No Fred would be buried near the Burrow, possibly in the graveyard in Ottery St. Catchpole, so it would be near the family home, and Molly, in particular could visit it easily. The problem with having a graveyard in a working school is that you can't visit it easily, as the authorities would naturally want to control access as part of their duty of care for the students.QUOTE(cooncatbob @ Jun 21 2008, 04:38 PM) Tonks and Lupin would also want to be buried there too. I don't see any reason to think that. Lupin's happiest time would be the time spent with Tonks' family, after Harry shouted some sense into him. And there is no reason to believe Hogwarts was particularly special to Tonks. So I again think they would be buried near their family, close to Andromeda and Teddy's house.QUOTE(cooncatbob @ Jun 21 2008, 04:38 PM) Would you but a Simple Plaque at the Battle Field of the Somme? The scale is totally different though; you need a big memorial simply to list the names and I would imagine that the soldiers were buried together close to the battlefield for practical reasons as much as anything else. The fight at Hogwarts was important but not on the scale of a war fought over 4 years.
This post has been edited by roonwit: Jun 21 2008, 11:39 AM -------------------- W.L.Y.J. We love you Jo |
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Jun 21 2008, 11:47 AM
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Cauldron Bottom Measurer Posts: 102 Joined: 11:35am April 6, 2008 Location: In Hogwarts kitchen, trying to kidnap a house elf! |
I agree that a graveyard at the school, although a great gesture, would cause to much of a security risk in the future and inconvenience for families that wanted to visit. But a large war memorial with a symbolic statue, like that of Harry and his parents, would be very fitting. What types of symbols do you think will incorporate the vast meanings of this fight and the fighters?
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Jun 21 2008, 12:06 PM
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Personal Secretary to The Minister of Magic Posts: 9,182 Joined: 4:57am January 28, 2005 Location: near Muggleswick, UK |
QUOTE(dkhermy @ Jun 21 2008, 05:47 PM) What types of symbols do you think will incorporate the vast meanings of this fight and the fighters? It did occur to me they could redo the fountain of magical brethren a little more realistically, as they would want to replace the current statue anyway.
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Jun 21 2008, 02:13 PM
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Knight Bus Driver in Training Posts: 594 Joined: 6:25am December 9, 2007 Location: Canada |
Well, in the orginal post, cooncatbob did write that if the families wished to bury the bodies elsewhere, that should take place. And, I assume, that would be what would be done.
I do not think it is necessary to have a graveyard at the school, now that I think of it. Hogwarts was Dumbledore's real home. And Snape's and LVs and Harry's. As Harry put it in DH, "the abandoned boys had all found home here." So maybe no cemetary. I do think it would be nice if Severus Snape was given a plot and a marker and be allowed to be buried somewhere on the Hogwarts grounds. I do, however, think there should be a large war memorial. (For some strange reason, I am thinking along the lines of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall in the US.) I, too, do not think a plaque alone will cut it. This battle was the final one in a major war. It took place at Hogwarts. There should, of course, also be a war memorial at Hogsmeade - there, a statue, i think - honouring all those who had died in this war which started at the end of June 1995 and ended May 2, 1998. But this final battle should be of particular interest to the students of Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry. And those young witches and wizards who attend it in the future should be made aware of the sacrifice made at the Battle of Hogwarts by those who gave all to keep Britain and the world - because I don't think any of us believe LV would have stopped at conquering the UK - safe and at peace. The fact that this was the final battle is significant, roonwit. This was the one that ended the terror and destruction that LVs reign had imposed on the UK WW. There is another point. Most of those who fought and died - and who were injured - in this battle were not soldiers; were not professional fighters. The members of the Order of the Phoenix were. Those who had volunteered to be part of Dumbledore's Army were, in my view. But the rest of the fallen at that final battle were civilians. Students, teachers, citizens of Hogsmede, former students, the families of students, Centaurs, house-elves. I would like to see their names inscribed on a beautiful, yet simple Memorial at the site of the battle. That is, at Hogwarts. And not just a plaque. And, on May 2 of every year, there would be an assembly at the memorial. This particular battle liberated all of Britain. Of course all who died at the hands of Lord Voldemort and his Death Eaters are equally important. As human beings they are. But, historically, there is something uniquely important about the battle/confrontation that ends a war. And the location where this final battle takes place is given a special place in history. It is also marked in a physical way. With this battle on May1-May2, 1998, with it's significance , Hogwarts ceased to be just a school. It became the site of a battle which won the war. It became like a town where the enemy was finally defeated at a terrible cost. (Like some towns in France, the Netherlands, Belgium, etc. during the Muggle Second World War.) Had this battle taken place in Hogsmede or Godric's Hollow or London, I could see a major installation piece being set up - visible only to magical folk, of course (grin) - as a memorial. With a suitable inscription giving a few details of the battle, mentioning Harry Potter who rid the world of a heinous dark wizard and his army, and possibly listing the names of the dead who took part in the battle. Well, Hogwarts is like a town where the final battle of the Second Wizard War took place and the country was liberated. I would expect no less in terms of a tribute to be erected there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- And on another note, roonwit, I am not so sure that Lupin's happiest days were spent with Tonk's family. I don't think he went back to them when he went back to his wife. I expect he and Tonks had their own place. We know that Lupin had a house because, at the end of GoF, DD told Sirius to "lie low at Lupin's." I expect that might be where Remus and Dora lived after their marriage. Once the baby was due, and when Lupin was away, I could see Tonks staying with her parents temporarily (as we are told she did by Lupin in DH), but I don't think her husband lived there. Or was ever fully accepted into the family. If he was buried in the Tonks family gravesite by his mother-in-law, I think it would be reluctantly. And I also think that, if a special graveyard is set up somewhere for the fallen soldiers of the Second Wizard War, Adromeda would be proud to have her only daughter buried there. Her daughter, as a member of the Order of the Phoenix, was a professional soldier and, as an Auror, had dedicated her life to fighting dark magic. I thing Adromeda would want her to be buried in a war cemetary. (As a member of the Order during the first and second wars, of course Lupin deserves to buried with such honours as well. The two should lie side-by-side, of course.) Laura This post has been edited by Laura W: Jun 21 2008, 02:56 PM |
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Jun 21 2008, 02:33 PM
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Stocking Snitches at Quality Quidditch Supplies Posts: 656 Joined: 4:16pm April 26, 2008 |
Whether the dead are buried a Hogwarts is immaterial.
Their sacrifice has made it Hallow Ground. In the climactic battle of the war, The Boy Who Lived prevailed over he who must not be named. Witches and Wizards world wide will want to make a pilgrimage to the site. Abraham Lincoln said it best. "'But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate—we can not consecrate—we can not hallow—this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here." Exurb from the Gettysburg Address. This post has been edited by cooncatbob: Jun 21 2008, 02:38 PM -------------------- Work like you don't need the money
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Jun 21 2008, 02:37 PM
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Stocking Snitches at Quality Quidditch Supplies Posts: 687 Joined: 4:15am May 7, 2007 Location: (LiamFuller) Conducting tests on wether I'm Pure-Blood, Half-Blood or Muggle-Born *OUCH* |
As beautiful as that sounds I can't see it working. I'm sure the families of the dead would like to chose where they be burried, if muggle-born especially, I'm not sure on the rules of wizardss visiting Hogwarts let alone muggles. Would they be able to come every so often to pay respects to their loved ones? I just couldn't see a muggle getting through the barrier to put flowers on their sons/daughters headstone.
I could see a monument working, a place outside of Hogwarts (I'm not sure a school is good for a tourist attraction) but with the names of those who died in the Battle of Hogwarts, were lost at the hand of Voldemort or his followers etc; But the bodies would be given to their families to burry else where. Otherwise muggles related wouldn't be able to visit their graves. - seeR 
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