Weasley Wizard Wheezes Inventions, Chocolate Frog Card chat 08/30/09 |
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03:16 <Expelliarmas> : The Weasley Twins are well known to be pratical jokers. But they are also clever businessmen. Today we will discuss some of the inventions they came up with during the series.Who do you think Fred and George got their inventing streak from?What was Molly’s ambitions for the Twins?The Twins definitel 03:17 <samisapotterfan> : cant see 03:17 <samisapotterfan> : now i can 03:17 <samisapotterfan> : molly wanted them to be more like percy 03:17 <Aislinn> : I think they got their curiosity from Arthur 03:17 <samisapotterfan> : responsible minstry workers 03:17 <Dreamteam> : I think it might have been their father, he was always interested in how Muggle things work, and I think maybe wizarding things also held some fascination too 03:17 <samisapotterfan> : not jokers 03:18 <Expelliarmas> : I think the experitmentation comes from Arthur, definitely not Molly 03:18 <blue4t> : Perhaps they got their streak from Arthur. I think it's similar to his liking/tinkering with Muggle things. 03:18 <lirene> : That's a good point, Dreamteam; I never considered that. Perhaps theirs was an offshoot of what their father was doing 03:18 <samisapotterfan> : yea defintly 03:18 <blue4t> : Molly wanted the twins to finish Hogwarts and work at the Ministry. 03:18 <Aislinn> : yeah, they take his fascination a step further 03:18 <lirene> : but they had more fun with it 03:18 <samisapotterfan> : defintly 03:18 <blue4t> : yes 03:18 <Dreamteam> : Molly was just worried that they wouldn't be able to make a living from inventing, I think once she realised they could she was easier with it 03:18 <Expelliarmas> : yes, the twins think about practical applications for magic 03:18 <JaneMarple9> : the experimenting came from arthur 03:18 <samisapotterfan> : a little bit 03:18 <blue4t> : once she saw their shop a success. 03:18 <JaneMarple9> : he was forever tinkering 03:18 <samisapotterfan> : but she was always afraid something would o wron 03:19 <samisapotterfan> : maybe hurt them 03:19 <Aislinn> : I agree dreamteam - she was worried about them being successful and secure 03:19 <samisapotterfan> : thats how i have seen it 03:19 <samisapotterfan> : or get them arrested 03:19 <lirene> : and it seems they really understood magic 03:19 <lirene> : gifted they were, really 03:19 <blue4t> : yes! 03:19 <samisapotterfan> : yea 03:19 <JaneMarple9> : she was frightened for good reason 03:19 <Expelliarmas> : I think if the wizarding world had engineers, the Twins would have chosen that career 03:19 <Dreamteam> : Yes, I think they were much cleverer than people gave them credit for at first 03:19 <JaneMarple9> : they were very reckless 03:19 <blue4t> : too much schoolwork, Expie. 03:19 <blue4t> : ;) 03:19 <samisapotterfan> : yea jane rember lunas mother 03:19 <lirene> : they were much more than meets the eye 03:19 <Aislinn> : they needed to be good at charms, transfiguration and potions to be able to do all they did 03:19 <JaneMarple9> : they were very clever - at creating chaos 03:20 <Dreamteam> : well, reckless or adventurous, it's a fine line 03:20 <blue4t> : xceeds Expectations 03:20 <Aislinn> : and figure out how to combine them into something new - very clever 03:20 <samisapotterfan> : nice blue 03:20 <samisapotterfan> : very clever in deed 03:20 <Expelliarmas> : too much schoolwork, yes; but aside from the twins you never hear about folks who invent practical applications for magic--other than self-stirring cauldrons 03:20 <samisapotterfan> : yea 03:20 <Dreamteam> : well, there was the cheese cauldron but that wasn't very successful, lol 03:20 <samisapotterfan> : mess remover 03:20 <Aislinn> : lol 03:21 <samisapotterfan> : lol 03:21 <lirene> : :D 03:21 <JaneMarple9> : they needed to fine-tune their enthusasim for tricks 03:21 <Expelliarmas> : What was Molly’s ambitions for the Twins? 03:21 <samisapotterfan> : minstry workers 03:21 <JaneMarple9> : a 9 to 5 job 03:21 <samisapotterfan> : yea 03:21 <lirene> : yes; to work for the ministry 03:21 <JaneMarple9> : something "safe" 03:21 <blue4t> : finish school (not dropout) 03:21 <Aislinn> : I think she would have been thrilled if they had followed Percy's example, although not becoming estranged from the family 03:21 <samisapotterfan> : yea 03:21 <Dreamteam> : I think she wanted them to be happy and successful but she just didn't think they could do it with jokes etc 03:21 <JaneMarple9> : but safe and Twins don't go together 03:21 <samisapotterfan> : hey 03:21 <lirene> : lol 03:22 <samisapotterfan> : im a twin 03:22 <Expelliarmas> : Molly wanted safe and boring for the Twins 03:22 <blue4t> : lol, Jane 03:22 <Dreamteam> : I agree blue, finishing school was very important to Molly 03:22 <Aislinn> : right, dreamteam - like parents always feel when children choose jobs they consider are risky or not likely to support them 03:22 <samisapotterfan> : (well i may be nuts but my sis isnt) 03:22 <samisapotterfan> : yea 03:22 <lirene> : Twins, probably meaning the twins in the books and not twins in general 03:22 <samisapotterfan> : my mom does that and im only 14 03:22 <samisapotterfan> : i know had to go thre 03:22 <samisapotterfan> : *there 03:23 <samisapotterfan> : what about charlie 03:23 <samisapotterfan> : his obs risky 03:23 <samisapotterfan> : *jobs 03:23 <blue4t> : I'm sure she wasn't happy with that, either. 03:23 <Aislinn> : and Molly may have objected to that too 03:23 <samisapotterfan> : yea 03:23 <Expelliarmas> : Molly probably wanted something safe and boring for all her kids 03:23 <samisapotterfan> : i guess the twins 03:23 <samisapotterfan> : were her next progect after charlie 03:24 <blue4t> : Not to go off-topic, but maybe that's why Percy initially went for a Ministry job--to please Molly. 03:24 <JaneMarple9> : bill and charlie both had quite dangerous jobs 03:24 <samisapotterfan> : yes 03:24 <Dreamteam> : but it's a recognised profession within the wizarding world, people had made a living at it before, whereas making a living out of fun was less sure 03:24 <Aislinn> : that could be, blue 03:24 <lirene> : I do wish in a way that Molly was more supportive of the Twins and not so critical so I see their penchant for "pranks" as a bit of rebellion on the part of the Twins 03:24 <Expelliarmas> : The Twins definitely had brains. Would they had suited a different house than Gryffindor? 03:24 <samisapotterfan> : yes dream 03:24 <JaneMarple9> : i think ravenclaw 03:24 <samisapotterfan> : yes ravenclaw 03:24 <blue4t> : Hufflepuff for loyalty. 03:24 <JaneMarple9> : she had the brains 03:24 <samisapotterfan> : yes 03:24 <Dreamteam> : I agree, they would have done well in Ravenclaw 03:24 <samisapotterfan> : anythin but slytherin 03:24 <Aislinn> : I think they were smart enough for Ravenclaw, but not studious enough for that house 03:24 <JaneMarple9> : NOT Slytherin 03:24 <blue4t> : Right, agreed Aislinn 03:24 <samisapotterfan> : yes 03:25 <lirene> : they definitely had the aptitude for Ravenclaw 03:25 <samisapotterfan> : i said anything BUT slytherin 03:25 <Dreamteam> : yeah, that's true Aislinn, they had natural talent but weren't too hot on studying 03:25 <Aislinn> : and clever enough for Slytherin, but too noble for that house 03:25 <JaneMarple9> : yes, they wouldn't have knuckled down enough for ravenclaw 03:25 <samisapotterfan> : yes 03:25 <samisapotterfan> : and yes 03:25 <samisapotterfan> : thank you 03:25 <Expelliarmas> : they were to rambunctious for Ravenclaw, though 03:25 <blue4t> : They'd have stuck out like a sore thumb. 03:25 <Aislinn> : and they could be team players, but were ultimately too anarchistic for Hufflepuff 03:25 <samisapotterfan> : YOU HAVE JUST HELPED ME FIGURE OUT MY SLYTHERIN WUESTION THING 03:25 <samisapotterfan> : ok 03:25 <samisapotterfan> : dont ask 03:26 <samisapotterfan> : true 03:26 <Aislinn> : I think the twins were quite suited to Gryffindor 03:26 <samisapotterfan> : yea 03:26 <JaneMarple9> : too daring for hufflepuff 03:26 <Expelliarmas> : the other ravenclaws might object to the Twins' distractions. 03:26 <samisapotterfan> : yes not luna though 03:26 <lirene> : and they were the only ones brave enough to order Peeves around lol 03:26 <blue4t> : "Stop with the pranks, I'm trying to study." 03:26 <Dreamteam> : I suppose experimenting on themselves as they often did requires some bravery 03:27 <Aislinn> : yes, they wouldn't have liked the hijinks in the common room while they were trying to study 03:27 <samisapotterfan> : yes 03:27 <Aislinn> : It did, dreamteam 03:27 <blue4t> : It works for Gryffindor since they aren't a bunch of Hermiones (no offense to her) 03:27 <lirene> : true, Dreamteam; probably lots of bravery 03:27 <samisapotterfan> : lol 03:27 <Expelliarmas> : The first invention we see with the Twins, really belonged to the Marauders. Why did they find the Marauders Map so useful? 03:27 <samisapotterfan> : to hide from filch 03:27 <samisapotterfan> : of course 03:27 <samisapotterfan> : and to do pranks 03:27 <JaneMarple9> : they could have adventures 03:28 <lirene> : They were the perfect recipients to the Map 03:28 <blue4t> : The secret passages 03:28 <samisapotterfan> : ccause they didnt have a cloak like harry 03:28 <Dreamteam> : well I imagine acquiring some of their ingredients sometimes required a little stealth 03:28 <JaneMarple9> : go places where they weren't supposed to do 03:28 <blue4t> : or did they find those on their own? 03:28 <lirene> : and they were perhaps the ones to appreciate it the most 03:28 <samisapotterfan> : yes 03:28 <JaneMarple9> : they definately appreciated it 03:28 <samisapotterfan> : yes 03:28 <blue4t> : (definitely not to find out if their brother's rat was an animagus) 03:28 <Aislinn> : the map was a perfect tool for them to pull their pranks 03:29 <samisapotterfan> : lol 03:29 <samisapotterfan> : yea 03:29 <lirene> : I wonder if they told anyone else about the Map, though, including some of their own friends 03:29 <samisapotterfan> : harry 03:29 <blue4t> : did Lee know? 03:29 <Dreamteam> : they probably told Lee 03:29 <Aislinn> : yes, dreamteam - and heading to the kitchens after hours, or out to Honeydukes 03:29 <samisapotterfan> : besides that i dought it 03:29 <JaneMarple9> : Maybe Lee 03:29 <samisapotterfan> : maybe lee 03:29 <Aislinn> : Lee must have seen it 03:29 <Dreamteam> : lol, yes, they'd need it for the kitchens 03:29 <samisapotterfan> : wheres jo when you need her 03:29 <JaneMarple9> : But they weren't all that friendly with anyone else 03:29 <blue4t> : they do sneak down to the kitchens for party food. 03:29 <samisapotterfan> : true 03:29 <JaneMarple9> : and into hogsmeade 03:30 <Aislinn> : oh, I think they were friendly with everyone, but not likely to let them in on that kind of secret 03:30 <Dreamteam> : well we don't know that, we only saw their interactions with the trio really 03:30 <Expelliarmas> : I like that the Twins figured out how to work the Map themselves 03:30 <samisapotterfan> : yea 03:30 <Aislinn> : again a sign of their cleverness, expie 03:30 <lirene> : and they were easily led astry by the Map lol 03:30 <blue4t> : friendly, yes, close friends, no--maybe Angelina, but not as close as Lee and not as close as each other. 03:30 <JaneMarple9> : that was clever of them 03:30 <JaneMarple9> : it showed that they had brains 03:30 <lirene> : yes Expie, good point 03:30 <samisapotterfan> : angelina martys georg right 03:30 <blue4t> : marry? yes 03:30 <JaneMarple9> : the map could lead anyone astray 03:30 <lirene> : some recklessness was a given 03:30 <samisapotterfan> : or am i reading too much fan fic 03:31 <samisapotterfan> : ok good 03:31 <Aislinn> : and an indication that their brains were wired like the Marauders' brains 03:31 <Aislinn> : both sets of pranksters 03:31 <JaneMarple9> : nope, thats proper canon 03:31 <samisapotterfan> : yes 03:31 <samisapotterfan> : ok 03:31 <blue4t> : They've got to be wired similar, I think, for them to figure out how to open and close the map without instructions. 03:31 <Expelliarmas> : they were not at all defeated by the Map and it must have taken them awhile to get past the insults the Marauders likely programmed into the Map 03:31 <Aislinn> : xactly blue 03:31 <Expelliarmas> : they would have seen the Map, once it insulted them, as a challenge 03:31 <samisapotterfan> : o by the way thanks to whoever found me robe yesterday 03:31 <Dreamteam> : well McGonagall said that Sirius and James were similar to the twins, I think being able to figure out the map backs that up 03:31 <blue4t> : I think there was no insults because of their intentions. 03:31 <lirene> : I'm sure they found the "insults" amusing too 03:31 <Aislinn> : yeah - they likely cracked up when the map insulted them - they could take a joke 03:31 <JaneMarple9> : I wonder if the map insulted the twins in the beginning 03:32 <samisapotterfan> : yea 03:32 <samisapotterfan> : proably 03:32 <blue4t> : Plus, I think the map was set up to insult Snape no matter what. 03:32 <Aislinn> : good point dreamteam 03:32 <Expelliarmas> : i think the Map would insult anyone who didn't know the phrase to activate it 03:32 <samisapotterfan> : good point blue 03:32 <blue4t> : good point, Expie 03:32 <blue4t> : so maybe they did get insulted 03:32 <JaneMarple9> : very probably expie 03:32 <blue4t> : in the beginning 03:33 <JaneMarple9> : the map recognised the twins are similar to the marauders 03:33 <samisapotterfan> : i think it would never show snape its secrets 03:33 <Expelliarmas> : Would the Marauders approve of the Twins giving the Map to Harry? 03:33 <samisapotterfan> : O YEs 03:33 <Aislinn> : yes - James and Sirius would have liked his son to have it 03:33 <samisapotterfan> : hes a muarders son 03:33 <blue4t> : Well, James would say no, but inside I think he'd be okay with it. 03:33 <samisapotterfan> : after LL 03:33 <lirene> : As students, the Marauders would approve, but as adults, perhaps not so much 03:33 <Dreamteam> : Definitely 03:33 <Aislinn> : Hi padfootsgirl 03:33 <padfootsgrl> : hi 03:33 <samisapotterfan> : hello 03:33 <samisapotterfan> : ITS SIRUS WHY SO SIRUS SIRUS 03:34 <padfootsgrl> : so what are we discussing 03:34 <Aislinn> : we're talking about the twins and their inventions, although right now we're talking about them giving the Marauder's map to Harry 03:34 <lirene> : Hello and welcome padfoots 03:34 <samisapotterfan> : had to go thee 03:34 <Expelliarmas> : repeating question for pasfootsgrl: Would the Marauders approve of the Twins giving it to Harry? 03:34 <JaneMarple9> : definately 03:34 <padfootsgrl> : of course, well except remus 03:34 <padfootsgrl> : lol 03:34 <samisapotterfan> : yea 03:34 <Aislinn> : I think James would like to see Harry following in his footsteps 03:34 <Expelliarmas> : *it refers to the Marauders Map 03:34 <Dreamteam> : I think James would love to know that Harry had the map, knowing he could get up to the same mischief 03:34 <padfootsgrl> : james and sirius would be like too very proud parents 03:34 <blue4t> : I think they'd not want him to get in trouble and as a parent James (and maybe Sirius) would discourage it. But, they want him to follow in their footsteps, I think. 03:35 <Aislinn> : and we have evidence of Sirius approving of Harry acting like they did 03:35 <JaneMarple9> : ven remus would be sort of pleased 03:35 <lirene> : yes Aislinn; Sirius even encouraged that behavior in Harry 03:35 <JaneMarple9> : although he was a teacher, the sense of adventure was still in him 03:35 <samisapotterfan> : now im remourning all of them 03:35 <samisapotterfan> : lol 03:35 <Expelliarmas> : I think Remus was pleased, because notice that he returned the Map to Harry at the end of PoA 03:35 <lirene> : but they would want Harry to be safe 03:35 <Aislinn> : Sirius was most pleased with Harry when he started the DA, and least pleased when he thought Harry was toeing the line 03:35 <samisapotterfan> : true jane 03:35 <samisapotterfan> : yes 03:36 <Aislinn> : He did give it back, Expie, so he must have approved on some level, or did it in memory of James 03:36 <samisapotterfan> : aislinn 03:36 <JaneMarple9> : sirius and james would be delighted that the map was handed to harry 03:36 <blue4t> : Did he approve or just know that the times/situation called for it? Maybe it's a bit of both. 03:36 <Aislinn> : that could be, blue 03:36 <samisapotterfan> : maybe he too mixed hary up with james 03:36 <Aislinn> : He may have understood that it would give Harry a needed advantage 03:36 <padfootsgrl> : it's hard to let go of the past 03:36 <samisapotterfan> : yes 03:36 <Expelliarmas> : No, I think Remus was always very clear on Harry being Harry 03:37 <Aislinn> : much more than Sirius was, yes 03:37 <lirene> : good point padfoot; perhaps he wanted to keep the Map in the "family" so to speak 03:37 <samisapotterfan> : i know its just sirus 03:37 <samisapotterfan> : o never mind 03:37 <padfootsgrl> : i think remus and sirius both had a hard time dealing with it. since it was ripped from them so violently. 03:37 <samisapotterfan> : yes 03:37 <Expelliarmas> : How did the Twins get the idea for Ton Tongue Toffee? 03:37 <padfootsgrl> : the past i mean 03:37 <samisapotterfan> : hmmm 03:37 <lirene> : I also think Remus and Sirius lived in the past too; they missed James tremendously 03:37 <blue4t> : good question 03:37 <lirene> : and they liked to reminiss 03:38 <Aislinn> : ngorgio was a charm they learned in class 03:38 <Aislinn> : it seems like the toffees were based on that 03:38 <samisapotterfan> : beet me too it 03:38 <JaneMarple9> : xperimenting too 03:38 <blue4t> : ah, yes 03:38 <lirene> : The Toffee was perhaps symbolic of the Twins' trying to, erm, shut down Molly's critisisms 03:38 <JaneMarple9> : they enjoyed experimenting and making stuff 03:38 <Aislinn> : of course, the booth is cutting off the "e"s again 03:38 <blue4t> : they weren't thinking of snackboxes at this point 03:38 <lirene> : if the tongue is too big, no yelling and screaming at them lol 03:38 <Expelliarmas> : they maybe got the idea from having toffee, it does tend to mess with your mouth. Good thing they didn't have peanut butter 03:39 <blue4t> : lol 03:39 <padfootsgrl> : lol 03:39 <JaneMarple9> : silly booth :) 03:39 <Aislinn> : that's a really funny thought lirene 03:39 <samisapotterfan> : lol 03:39 <Aislinn> : it may have been their initial inspiration 03:39 <samisapotterfan> : maybe 03:39 <lirene> : thanks Aislinn :) 03:40 <Aislinn> : I bet a lot of their inventions were based on that sort of thing - joking around about something and then saying hey....what if we...? 03:40 <samisapotterfan> : my pgymy puff i made is sitting on my key board 03:40 <Expelliarmas> : wasn't there a jinx which caused one's tongue to stick to the roof of the tongue? Didn't the Order use it in #12 after DD died? 03:40 <samisapotterfan> : i yhink so 03:40 <lirene> : Could be Aislinn; what if we had something that prevents someone from talking 03:40 <Aislinn> : langlock 03:40 <samisapotterfan> : ummmm 03:40 <samisapotterfan> : a 03:40 <blue4t> : yes 03:40 <samisapotterfan> : *yea 03:40 <JaneMarple9> : They did expie 03:40 <padfootsgrl> : that and they seemed to take some inspiration from muggles gag gifts. 03:40 <JaneMarple9> : in book 7 03:40 <Aislinn> : it was in the half blood prince's book 03:40 <samisapotterfan> : yes 03:41 <Expelliarmas> : they would think it hilarious to use langlock on toffee 03:41 <samisapotterfan> : yea 03:41 <lirene> : but with the Twins they had brilliant inventions and carried them out too; so it required a lot of imagination, and knowledge of magic; so they had that combination in abundance 03:41 <Aislinn> : Harry used langlock on Filch, to Hermione's disapproval 03:41 <samisapotterfan> : nice talking to you guys i must go ill try to coe bvk 03:42 <blue4t> : bye, sam 03:42 <lirene> : Arthur was less imaginative IMO 03:42 <Aislinn> : yes, lirene - either without the other wouldn't do it - they needed the ideas, but also the smarts to put them to use 03:42 <Expelliarmas> : Was giving the Ton Tongue Toffee to Dudley ethical? 03:42 <lirene> : and perhaps didn't have the time to carry out his ideas 03:42 <blue4t> : Arthur's just not thinking on the same lines. 03:42 <padfootsgrl> : i would think bill being a curse breaker would help them with some of the magic they nedded for thier products as well. 03:42 <blue4t> : No. 03:42 <Dreamteam> : and Ton-Tongue Toffee is alliterative so it would look good on advertising, something I think the twins would be well aware of 03:42 <padfootsgrl> : he would have to be advanced in magic. 03:42 <padfootsgrl> : giving anything to dudley is ethical 03:42 <Aislinn> : that's an interesting thought padfootsgrl 03:42 <blue4t> : lol 03:42 <lirene> : lol 03:42 <Expelliarmas> : Arthur tinkered because he was curious about how things worked; the Twins tinkered because they had an idea to do something and set out to innovate 03:43 <Aislinn> : I'm not sure you could call it ethical, but it was certainly karmic retribution 03:43 <Dreamteam> : hmm, maybe not ethical but then it was a kind of rough justice 03:43 <blue4t> : yes 03:43 <blue4t> : (to both) 03:43 <Expelliarmas> : I can't call it ethical, but it was darned funny. 03:43 <JaneMarple9> : I can't think of anyone who deserved it more! 03:43 <blue4t> : definitely 03:44 <Aislinn> : like they said, they didn't give it to him because he was a Muggle, they gave it to him because he was a git 03:44 <lirene> : comical unethicalness lol 03:44 <Dreamteam> : me neither Jane, he brought it on himself 03:44 <padfootsgrl> : as someone who was bullied all through school he had it coming. 03:44 <Aislinn> : he did, especially since he was dumb enough to put something in his mouth that came from the two of them 03:44 <Expelliarmas> : but giving such a thing to a Muggle was a bit rough; Dudley must have been terrified 03:44 <Aislinn> : as scared as he was of magic 03:45 <Dreamteam> : yes, with all his parents' fears about magic you'd have thought that was the last thing he'd do, he was too greedy to help himself 03:45 <blue4t> : well, he shouldn't have eaten t 03:45 <blue4t> : it 03:45 <padfootsgrl> : aislinn that's why i can't figure out why he would take to begin with 03:45 <lirene> : and Dudley exemplified greed in the series 03:45 <padfootsgrl> : food is his weakness 03:45 <blue4t> : he didn't know it contained magic 03:45 <lirene> : and that's why he ate it IMO; he didn't care where it was coming from; he had to have it; just like everything else 03:46 <blue4t> : he doesn't know the twins 03:46 <Aislinn> : yeah, I think you're exactly right lirene 03:46 <Aislinn> : he was never taught impulse control by his parents 03:46 <Expelliarmas> : The Twins knew Dudley had been on a diet and it was the perfect thing to tempt him with 03:46 <Dreamteam> : but he knew that they were wizarding people and that magic was their way of life 03:46 <padfootsgrl> : his whole family was the example of a few of the deadly sins 03:46 <JaneMarple9> : indeed 03:46 <blue4t> : if that magic could have been detected they would have been dead meat. 03:46 <JaneMarple9> : well put padfoot 03:47 <padfootsgrl> : thank you 03:47 <Expelliarmas> : Where did they get the idea of the fake wands? 03:47 <Aislinn> : good point, blue - the Ministry would have come down hard on them for that 03:47 <Aislinn> : those were funny 03:47 <lirene> : Hmmm, good question 03:48 <blue4t> : Muggle magic wands? 03:48 <padfootsgrl> : muggle magicians?? 03:48 <Expelliarmas> : I'm sure there were a few pompous peeps they would love to hand those off to 03:48 <JaneMarple9> : Just a invention that worked! 03:48 <Expelliarmas> : like, say, Percy 03:48 <Dreamteam> : yes, it could be, they knew about muggle magical tricks because the girl in the newsagents was impressed by what she thought were theirs 03:48 <JaneMarple9> : we assosiate wizards with wands 03:48 <Aislinn> : people in the wizarding world rely so heavily on their wands - they would have thought it funny for someone to cast with one, and have it do something completely unexpected 03:49 <Expelliarmas> : it's the kind of trick which is harmless and funny 03:49 <padfootsgrl> : like exploding golf balls so to speak 03:49 <Aislinn> : right 03:49 <Expelliarmas> : Why was Molly so initally unsupportive of Weasley’s Wizarding Wheezes? 03:50 <JaneMarple9> : tooo risky 03:50 <padfootsgrl> : because she was convinced it would never work. 03:50 <Aislinn> : they were doing it while still in school 03:50 <Dreamteam> : She thought they were wasting their time and should get a proper job that was more secure 03:50 <Expelliarmas> : she couldn't see the future for such innovations 03:50 <Aislinn> : and were promoting other students to, in essence, break the rules with their products 03:50 <blue4t> : she doesn't like them playing pranks on people 03:50 <padfootsgrl> : i think some of it was she was worried what people would think. they are pureblood after all. 03:51 <Expelliarmas> : she would have been embarrased to have them disrupting school 03:51 <blue4t> : just another way for them to get in trouble 03:51 <Aislinn> : yes, she likely wouldn't think that making a living pranking other people was the proper image to create 03:51 <JaneMarple9> : she didn't want them getting into more trouble 03:51 <Expelliarmas> : I don't think Molly was ever concerned about the whole pureblood thing 03:51 <padfootsgrl> : she would think their behavior and business could reflex on her as a mother. 03:51 <Expelliarmas> : she would have been concerned about some kid being hurt 03:52 <Aislinn> : yes 03:52 <blue4t> : yes 03:52 <padfootsgrl> : no she wasn't but that doesn't mean she didn't complety not care what people thought of thier family 03:52 <Dreamteam> : I don't think she was concerned with image, it didn't bother her that Arthur didn't have a high flying job, but I do think it bothered her that the twins were rule breakers 03:52 <Expelliarmas> : Was the Canary Creams any use or was it just a funny effect? 03:53 <blue4t> : just a funny effect 03:53 <padfootsgrl> : but arthur worked for the ministry which was concidered proper. 03:53 <Dreamteam> : I think they were just a fun effect (they've given my daughter and me hours of fun when eating custard creams, lol) 03:53 <Aislinn> : that was very clever magic - it was like a temporary animagus form 03:53 <padfootsgrl> : funny effect 03:53 <Expelliarmas> : Like the fake wands, the creams were just funny and required a considerable amount of transfiguration work 03:53 <blue4t> : I gotta go. Fun chat. See y'all later! 03:54 <Expelliarmas> : bye blue 03:54 <Aislinn> : bye blue 03:54 <Dreamteam> : Bye blue 03:54 <padfootsgrl> : bye 03:54 <padfootsgrl> : minnie would be proud of the transfiguration work 03:54 <Expelliarmas> : Why did it have to be Neville who tested the Creams? 03:54 <Aislinn> : poor Neville - the hapless one of the crowd 03:54 <Aislinn> : makes sense it would end up being him 03:54 <Expelliarmas> : Why not Neville? 03:55 <JaneMarple9> : because nev is the scapegoat 03:55 <Aislinn> : he took it with a good sense of humor 03:55 <Expelliarmas> : He realy should have known better than to take food from the Twins 03:55 <Dreamteam> : maybe to set him up as being someone who wouldn't be heroic, making it more of a surprise when he was 03:55 <Aislinn> : right, as Harry was after that 03:55 <JaneMarple9> : he did aislinn 03:55 <Aislinn> : ooh, nice point dreamteam 03:55 <Expelliarmas> : Oh, he's not a scapegoat! He is easy going and would not jinx or curse the twins 03:56 <padfootsgrl> : brb 03:56 <Expelliarmas> : but I must say, I would have loved for Snape to have eaten just one Canary Cream! 03:56 <JaneMarple9> : indeed, he took it in good humour 03:56 <JaneMarple9> : or filch expie! 03:56 <Aislinn> : lol, expie! 03:56 <Dreamteam> : rofl yes, to see his billow black robes explode in yellow feathers 03:56 <JaneMarple9> : that would have been funny too 03:57 <Aislinn> : he was one who could not take a joke at all 03:57 <Aislinn> : hi eva 03:57 <Expelliarmas> : What did you think of Harry giving his Tri-wizard winnings to the Twins? 03:57 <Aislinn> : It was such a Harry thing to do 03:57 <Eva> : hi Aislinn 03:57 <Eva> : it was a good idea 03:57 <Aislinn> : money wasn't important to him, and it had such awful connotations for him 03:57 <Eva> : he was depressed and needed something to laugh 03:58 <Aislinn> : It was a great way to see it put to constructive use 03:58 <Eva> : yeah 03:58 <Dreamteam> : Yes, it was very like him, after Cedric's death I think it would have felt like blood money to him and he wanted no part of it and Cedric's parents wouldn't take it, so he wanted to give it to someone who would make good use of it 03:58 <Eva> : Harry knew that things would go much darker in the future and did the right thing to keep up good hope 03:59 <Eva> : If it was me I would have given it away also 03:59 <Aislinn> : and he knew how much all of the Weasleys could use money, from Ron's upset about the lack of it 04:00 <Dreamteam> : and I think he recognised their talent and knew they could make a success of the joke shop with the right finances 04:00 <JaneMarple9> : Hi eva :) 04:01 <padfootsgrl> : i'm off. talk to you all later. 04:01 <Eva> : hi Jane 04:01 <Aislinn> : bye padfootsgrl 04:01 <Dreamteam> : bye padfootsgirl 04:01 <Eva> : bye 04:02 <JaneMarple9> : He did really well, handing it to the twins 04:02 <Eva> : hehe, they did him a favor when giving Dudley the Toffee 04:03 <Aislinn> : How did the Twins hide the planning of Weasley’s Wizarding Wheezes from Molly? 04:03 <Eva> : the twins were always fair to Harry and helped him in different ways, I remember when the rescued him with the Ford Anglia 04:03 <Aislinn> : yes, eva, they always treated Harry well 04:03 <Eva> : It would be easy as Molly didn't knew about the money 04:04 <Expelliarmas> : they learned from GoF to be very careful around Molly 04:04 <Dreamteam> : not very well in some ways, she easily found the order forms and some of their work 04:04 <Dreamteam> : but on the other hand she never knew about the money, I think they probably opened a Gringott's account with it 04:04 <Eva> : we see in OoP that the students bewitched the Quibbler so no one else could read it 04:04 <Aislinn> : she did find out when they started - the next summer they were in Grimmauld Place, and she was likely more distracted 04:05 <Eva> : maybe the twins did something similar in their house 04:05 <Eva> : yes, GP was bigger 04:05 <Aislinn> : once they got back to school, they could make plans for their shop without being under her nose 04:06 <Dreamteam> : Yes, once they got the shop she knew but she still didn't know where they'd got the money from, she probably thought they'd been more successful with their mail order system than they really had 04:06 <Expelliarmas> : Being in GP, the twins were also in London so it might have been easier for them to move about, they could also apparate, so they didn't have to stay home 04:06 <Eva> : ahh 04:06 <JaneMarple9> : they were stretching their ideas 04:06 <Aislinn> : good point, expie, since they were 17 04:06 <Eva> : and they had Mundugus 04:07 <Dreamteam> : yes, he must have been a great assett 04:07 <Aislinn> : yes, he was handy for procuring ingredients that were a little shady 04:07 <Eva> : and the house had a lot of interesting stuff also 04:07 <Expelliarmas> : He would have been good for getting hard-to-procure ingredients 04:08 <Expelliarmas> : Why were the Extendable Ears so useful? Did it foreshadow any future event? 04:08 <Dreamteam> : poor George 04:08 <Dreamteam> : sob 04:08 <Eva> : it was very useful when camping in DH and overhearing Griphook 04:08 <Dreamteam> : the ears could reach places that the twins couldn't, so it helped them to find out what was going on 04:09 <Aislinn> : they were a really useful invention 04:09 <Eva> : it helped spy on Draco in Knockturn Alley 04:09 <Aislinn> : although they led to Harry worrying that he was possessed 04:09 <Aislinn> : the Trio did make good use of them on a few occasions 04:10 <Eva> : they never would have find out about the sword 04:10 <Expelliarmas> : Eventually though, you could see the Twins evolving the Ears so the long string would not be necessary 04:11 <JaneMarple9> : I have often wondered if it foreshadows george 04:11 <JaneMarple9> : the way he lost his ear 04:11 <Dreamteam> : Wi-Fi ears, lol 04:11 <Dreamteam> : Yes, I think it did Jane 04:11 <JaneMarple9> : they were very handy things though 04:12 <Aislinn> : he invented one to replace his own, before he even knew he would need it 04:12 <Expelliarmas> : The Snackboxes that the Twins invented were pretty powerful. Why were they so ambitious with the Snackboxes? 04:12 <Dreamteam> : They knew they'd be popular with students who wanted to avoid lessons 04:12 <Aislinn> : they were savvy businessmen 04:12 <Aislinn> : they knew what would sell 04:12 <Dreamteam> : and avoiding lessons hadn't done them any harm ... 04:13 <Expelliarmas> : it was their first chance at making real money 04:14 <Expelliarmas> : i think they also got a rush out of selling their products 04:14 <Aislinn> : they knew that they wanted to skive off classes at times, so knew other students would feel like that too 04:14 <Aislinn> : and boy, those boxes sure came in handy with Umbridge 04:15 <Expelliarmas> : it was the right product at the right time 04:16 <Eva> : they didn't liked classes to much, they also invented the daydream when they couldn't leave a class 04:16 <Aislinn> : right, eva - another class avoider, lol 04:16 <Expelliarmas> : I think we learn about the daydream invention in HBP. more ways to get away from a class 04:16 <Expelliarmas> : The Twins started testing the Snackboxes on the first years, after experimenting with them themselves. Was this wise, or did Hermione have a point? 04:17 <Eva> : it was fair and wise 04:17 <Eva> : They avoided causing harm to people 04:17 <Aislinn> : I think they tested them pretty carefully on themselves first 04:17 <Expelliarmas> : I thought Hermione had a valid point. The Twins were lucky the first years didn't suffer long-term consequences. 04:18 <Expelliarmas> : At least 2nd years would have a better idea of what to expect. 04:18 <Dreamteam> : I think they should have taken more care, they should, for instance, have briefed the kids on the possible side effects 04:18 <Eva> : they had tested it on themselves first, so it could not go really wrong 04:18 <Aislinn> : right - the kids didn't even seem to know that anything was going to happen 04:19 <Dreamteam> : and they knew what to expect, if it couldn't easily go wrong there would be no need for further testing 04:19 <Expelliarmas> : they tested on themseves, but would have no way of knowing if a kid were overly sensitive to an ingredient or just allergic 04:19 <Eva> : the twins are a bit like Hagrid who also had no idea that some of his pets were not so harmless as he thought they would be, like Aragog 04:19 <Aislinn> : they could have warned them that they were fainting fancies, and that they were going to...faint 04:19 <Expelliarmas> : they should have drawn the line on their testing, no newbies 04:19 <scribe58> : I think they wisely did the testing. Everyone is different, so they were probably looking for different reactions 04:19 <Aislinn> : hi scribe :) 04:19 <Eva> : hi scribe 04:19 <scribe58> : Hello, everyone, late as usual 04:19 <Aislinn> : I think they were, but it would be better if they had informed subjects for their testing 04:19 <Dreamteam> : yes, Eva, very like Hagrid just "interestin' snackboxes/creatures" lol 04:20 <Dreamteam> : Hi scribe 04:20 <Eva> : I think that it was easier to test on firties, they older ones would be more careful to test for the twins 04:20 <scribe58> : So true. I'm sure the firsties idolized the twins. 04:21 <Dreamteam> : yes, the first years may have been the only ones who would agree to test them 04:21 <scribe58> : They would never suspect they were up to something 04:21 <Aislinn> : must be why they went for them - too young and naive to suspect 04:21 <Expelliarmas> : Did the other teachers know about the Snackboxes? If they knew, what do you think they thought of the product? 04:21 <Aislinn> : I don't think they knew for sure, or they would have tried to confiscate them 04:22 <Dreamteam> : I don't think the teachers would know or they'd put a stop to it 04:22 <Aislinn> : By the time they were being used frequently, it was mostly directed at Umbridge, and the teachers approved of fighting back against that tyrant 04:22 <Expelliarmas> : I think someone like DD likely had an idea 04:22 <scribe58> : I'm not sure they knew. Maybe Filch thought something was up. 04:22 <Aislinn> : Dd was out of the school by then 04:22 <Eva> : DD wouldn't mind so much as other teachers 04:23 <Eva> : yeah, in HBP it is not so widely used as in OoP 04:23 <Eva> : I think that this product weren't used in Minervas or Snapes classes 04:23 <Expelliarmas> : Would the teachers approve of the way they were used, to irritate Umbridge? Why? 04:24 <Dreamteam> : they wouldn't dare, lol 04:24 <Aislinn> : Filch tried to ban everything from the WWW, by the time HBP rolled around, but Dumbledore was amused by their stuff, I think 04:24 <Eva> : anything to anoy Umbridge was fine 04:24 <Aislinn> : I think the teachers approved of anything that would undermine Umbridge 04:24 <Dreamteam> : I think the teachers would approve of anything that was used to undermine her authority 04:24 <scribe58> : Eva, I agree. Teachers didn't like Umbridge either 04:24 <Eva> : they mostly used it in her class, so no problem with the other teachers 04:25 <Expelliarmas> : McG or Snape would have known something was up if used in their classes. As to Umbridge, the teachers would have quietly applauded anything which frustrated the Toad. 04:25 <Expelliarmas> : The teachers would have likely said the students were, in fact, ill 04:25 <scribe58> : Students have respect for most of their instructors and I don't think kids would step over any lines with any of them. 04:25 <Dreamteam> : aiding and abetting Peeves to unscrew the chandelier is pretty drastic, if McGonagall would do that I don't think she'd mind about the snackboxes 04:25 <Aislinn> : I agree dreamteam 04:26 <scribe58> : I loved it when they refused to act without permission from Umbridge with "things" began to happen. 04:27 <Aislinn> : that was great 04:27 <Expelliarmas> : What was your favourite item in the Snackbox? Why? 04:27 <scribe58> : Umbridge wanted to control everything, so they were going to let her. 04:28 <Aislinn> : I have to say, the puking pastilles grossed me out 04:28 <Eva> : I would prefer the daydreams, it's just sitting their enjoying yourself 04:28 <Aislinn> : specially when they used them on that guy - Archie? - in DH, to break into the Ministry 04:28 <Dreamteam> : I don't know that I had a favourite, they were all pretty icky, especially the Nosebleed Nougat 04:28 <JaneMarple9> : I thought the fever fudge was amusing 04:28 <Aislinn> : ooh, that was bad - when they fed it to Katie 04:28 <Eva> : poor Katie 04:29 <Dreamteam> : yeah, yuk and it made her really ill 04:29 <Expelliarmas> : I think the only one I'd use on myself would be a fever fudge 04:29 <Aislinn> : Katie had a rough time of it over several years 04:29 <Aislinn> : the fainting fancies might not be too bad 04:29 <Eva> : yeah this one I would use also 04:29 <Aislinn> : wasn't it the fever fudge that gave the twins boils? 04:29 <Expelliarmas> : I'd worry about where I'd land with the fainting fancies ... 04:29 <Eva> : yes 04:29 <JaneMarple9> : yeah the sweets can go wrong 04:30 <Aislinn> : wouldn't want those! 04:30 <Expelliarmas> : yes, but they got the essence of murtlap for that 04:30 <Aislinn> : oh right! 04:30 <JaneMarple9> : maybe a bit more experimenting wouldn't go amiss 04:30 <Eva> : thanks Hermione 04:30 <Aislinn> : lol 04:30 <Expelliarmas> : Why were the Twins so successful in inventing the fireworks? 04:30 <Dreamteam> : yes, I'd want to be sitting in a large squishy chair before taking a fainting fancy 04:30 <Aislinn> : those were SO impressive 04:31 <Eva> : it would have been nice if Hermone had helped them a bit with remedies, a pitty she didn't do it 04:31 <Aislinn> : because of their explosive personalities? ;) 04:31 <Dreamteam> : they had the imagination to make them duplicate if anyone tried to stop them, that must have been soooooo frustrating for Umbridge and Filch, lol 04:31 <scribe58> : I think they practiced making them at the Burrow..cute Aislinn 04:31 <JaneMarple9> : they were rather like fireworks themselves 04:32 <Eva> : hehe 04:32 <JaneMarple9> : liable to go off at a tangent 04:32 <scribe58> : They used all they had too. 04:32 <Eva> : unstoppable and multiplying as the fireworks 04:32 <Aislinn> : they were so clever 04:32 <Expelliarmas> : they would love fireworks, and usually messed around with them too 04:32 <Aislinn> : they did, expie - we saw them feed one to a fire lizard in an earlier year 04:32 <Dreamteam> : and, like the fireworks, trying to stop them just spurred them on to do more 04:33 <Eva> : poor mOLLY 04:33 <Aislinn> : yes, the fireworks were very like the twins, weren't they dreamteam? 04:33 <Expelliarmas> : Why did the Twins return to Hogwarts for their 7th year? 04:34 <Eva> : to investigate on others, to have future consumers and please Molly 04:34 <Dreamteam> : Because they wanted to make Molly happy and complete their educaton 04:34 <JaneMarple9> : a salamander :) 04:34 <Expelliarmas> : First, to please Molly. Second, they weren't ready to move into their premises. Third, to have fun playing Quidditch. They weren't going to get to play on a team again n the future. 04:34 <Eva> : it was good they returned, it would have been sad without them 04:34 <JaneMarple9> : to make molly feel better 04:34 <JaneMarple9> : she was brokenhearted over percy the git 04:35 <Aislinn> : yeah, I don't think they had their premises worked out yet at the time they returned to school 04:35 <Eva> : I think that most students loved staying at Hogwarts 04:35 <Aislinn> : and really, being at Hogwarts was a great place for them to do field testing on their products 04:35 <Expelliarmas> : They may have also thought there was more to learn in NEWTs. You never know, they might have thought something useful could happen 04:36 <Aislinn> : I think they would have finished out the year, if not for Umbridge 04:36 <Dreamteam> : and perhaps they still wanted to do research 04:36 <JaneMarple9> : they had to finetune their merchandise 04:36 <Eva> : yeah, they needed to perfect some inventions and had no idea how 04:36 <Expelliarmas> : It worked out well, because they got to showcase their skills because of the Toad 04:36 <Aislinn> : yes - it was a great place to research 04:36 <Expelliarmas> : What did you think of the way the Twins exited school? 04:36 <Aislinn> : brilliant! 04:36 <Eva> : I loved it 04:36 <Aislinn> : one of my favorite scenes 04:37 <Dreamteam> : wonderful, so good that people said later that someone was "doing a Weasley" 04:37 <Expelliarmas> : The Toad thought it had the boys, not even close 04:37 <Eva> : showing people to resist the Toad 04:37 <Aislinn> : yes, it ended up being stuff of legends - they'll be remembered for years at the school for how they left 04:37 <Dreamteam> : yes, it showed that they were unbeatable 04:37 <Expelliarmas> : Why were the teachers so unwilling to remove the portable swamp? 04:37 <scribe58> : They had developed so many things and decided, because of Ubridge, to just get their brooms and get out. 04:37 <Eva> : they are free spirits and you can't have them locked in a place 04:38 <Aislinn> : while Umbridge was still there, it was to annoy and thwart her 04:38 <Dreamteam> : firstly to inconvenience Umbridge and secondly they recognised what a good piece of magic it was and were impressed 04:38 <Eva> : it was good to annoy Umbridge and FIlch 04:38 <Expelliarmas> : if the Toad and Filch wanted to get rid of the swamp, then they would have to do some real magic to get rid of it 04:39 <Expelliarmas> : It was also a symbol of the spirit of Hogwarts fighting against tyranny 04:39 <Dreamteam> : yes and neither of them were capable of doing that 04:39 <Aislinn> : I loved that Flitwick was so impressed with it, that he chose to leave a bit of it cordoned off even after Umbridge fled 04:39 <scribe58> : Did Umbridge ever figure out that Filch was a squib? 04:39 <Expelliarmas> : the Toad was never that bright, scribe 04:39 <Eva> : Umbridge was only good when doing harm, but couldn't make civil spell 04:39 <Expelliarmas> : What did you think of the Twins shop in book six? 04:39 <Eva> : Umbridge is half a squib herself 04:40 <Aislinn> : again, it was brilliant 04:40 <Eva> : Great, Iloved it in the movie 04:40 <Aislinn> : and I loved the way it was depicted in the movie 04:40 <Dreamteam> : I loved the shop, I wanted to go there and explore 04:40 <Aislinn> : snap, eva :) 04:40 <Expelliarmas> : one of the few things they got right in the movie! 04:40 <Aislinn> : yes, it seems like such a fun place to explore 04:40 <Dreamteam> : yes, I just wish (as always) that they'd showed more of it 04:40 <Eva> : I wanted more time in the shop 04:40 <Expelliarmas> : it was the one place that was carrying on as if things were normal; it gave solace to a beleagured populace 04:41 <Aislinn> : I liked the way it was one of the few shops doing well on Diagon Alley at that point, and the defiance the twins showed with the posters in the window 04:41 <scribe58> : In all the gloom of Diagon Alley, who wouldn't want to go there? Wonderful stuff (both in the book and the movie) 04:41 <Eva> : it was a sign that not everything was lost 04:41 <scribe58> : Hope 04:41 <Aislinn> : it was just what Harry had said the wizarding world needed, back when he gave them the gold 04:41 <Aislinn> : he was so right 04:41 <Expelliarmas> : What do you think was the best product sold in Weasley’s Wizarding Wheezes? 04:42 <Aislinn> : I liked the daydream charms 04:42 <Eva> : can't say, everything was so well made 04:42 <Aislinn> : although the pygmy puffs sounded cute too 04:42 <Eva> : sweets with the DArk Mark on it 04:42 <Expelliarmas> : I would have loved the Hangman game! Spell it, or he swings! 04:42 <scribe58> : Unfortunately, Peruvian darkness powder was the only "harmful" thing they made--used by Malfoy. 04:42 <Expelliarmas> : I think they imported the powder, no? 04:43 <Aislinn> : yes, they did 04:43 <Dreamteam> : haha, yes I liked the Hangman game too, there were so many good things I don't know what I'd choose 04:43 <JaneMarple9> : I liked the decoy detonators 04:43 <Eva> : well, we never know who else bought the ears, they could have been used on the bad side also 04:43 <Aislinn> : those came in handy for Harry, jane 04:43 <JaneMarple9> : and the extendable ears were great fun 04:43 <Eva> : I loved the Lovepotions 04:43 <JaneMarple9> : the love potions were really popular with the girls 04:44 <Aislinn> : a little too popular 04:44 <scribe58> : Extendable ears would have been my favorite, especially if I was a kid. 04:44 <Expelliarmas> : too popular and a bit dangerous 04:44 <JaneMarple9> : together with the pgymy puffs 04:44 <Eva> : yeah, I think I would have bought a pair also 04:45 <Dreamteam> : Yes Jane, I think I'd have bought a pigmy puff 04:45 <Expelliarmas> : Could the Twins have refused to sell to Draco Malfoy or any other suspected Death Eater? Why? 04:45 <Aislinn> : they could have, but we don't know if draco bought the stuff directly or by mail order 04:45 <Aislinn> : and we don't know if the twins sold to him, or one of the assistants did 04:45 <scribe58> : They may not have known it was Malfoy. I bet he did it via ordering with an owl, perhaps not using his real name. 04:45 <JaneMarple9> : not really - they liked making money 04:46 <Expelliarmas> : I think a refusal would have been dangerous 04:46 <JaneMarple9> : they were doing a roaring trade 04:46 <Dreamteam> : I think any shopkeeper can refuse to sell to someone but he probably didn't buy it himself, he would have got someone to do it for him and not be seen buying from someone who his father saw as "shaming the name of wizard" 04:46 <Aislinn> : I think if they thought there was a reason to refuse, they would have foregone the money jane 04:46 <JaneMarple9> : probably aislinn 04:46 <Expelliarmas> : Were the Twins wise to send the products to Hogwarts disguised as other things? 04:46 <Aislinn> : I agree dreamteam - I can't see a Malfoy openly going into thier shop 04:46 <scribe58> : They did have high standards. 04:47 <Aislinn> : no - that ended up not being wise 04:47 <JaneMarple9> : not really! 04:47 <Eva> : it didn't entered the normal way into Hogwarts, so they disguised it 04:47 <Expelliarmas> : I understand why they did it, but it really backfired 04:47 <Aislinn> : hearing about it was what gave Draco the idea for the poisoned mead 04:48 <scribe58> : To get passed Filch, they had to. If it hadn't been for Umbridge and Filch, and all the declarations, I don't think other teachers would have objected too much. 04:48 <Eva> : I think that Draco bought it before going to Hogwarts, I don't think that it would be "dangerours" when checking the luggage 04:48 <Aislinn> : in normal times, it would just be fun and games 04:48 <scribe58> : true 04:48 <Aislinn> : but during this war time, it ended up being too high a risk 04:48 <Dreamteam> : I don't think they had a choice if they wanted to sell to the students 04:49 <Expelliarmas> : Of course, I would applaud them getting items into hogwarts in DH as the Carrows would deserve everything that came at them 04:49 <Aislinn> : yeah, that's a good point dreamteam 04:49 <Aislinn> : and they were the biggest market 04:49 <Eva> : I imagine that the found a way into Hogwarts in DH 04:49 <Aislinn> : right - I bet the students made some good use of those products in DH 04:50 <Expelliarmas> : I think they would have eventually had to find ways to get their defensive items to regular witches and wizards too by the time we get to DH. 04:50 <scribe58> : If only we knew what happened during the rebellion at Hogwarts in DH. We only have snippets, the tip of the iceberg. 04:50 <Expelliarmas> : I wouldn't put it past the DEs to monitor the post to divert such products. 04:50 <Dreamteam> : yes, if they'd sold them openly the Ministry would have closed them down probably, so they'd have had to sell "under the counter" 04:50 <Aislinn> : they had to be very careful during DH, with the Ministry under LV's control 04:51 <Expelliarmas> : Why did the Twins go into love potions? 04:51 <Dreamteam> : supply and demand? 04:51 <Aislinn> : they were sneaky and defiant though - I bet they found some ways around the Ministry 04:51 <Dreamteam> : lots of teenage girls at Hogwarts, a ready market 04:51 <Aislinn> : very popular with the girls 04:51 <Aislinn> : didn't Molly admit to making some, when she was a student? 04:51 <scribe58> : I think she did. 04:52 <Dreamteam> : and it sounds as though it was something that had been around a long time, so maybe standard in the shops 04:52 <Expelliarmas> : I think this was their way to reaching female customers 04:52 <Dreamteam> : although I'd have thought it was more in the Apothecary's line than a joke shop 04:52 <scribe58> : I'm glad Hermione warned Harry, too bad Ron wasn't around. 04:53 <Dreamteam> : unless, of course, you're putting it in someone else's pumpkin juice instead of your own, lol 04:53 <Aislinn> : lol 04:53 <Expelliarmas> : Why did the Twins expand their business to include defensive products? 04:53 <Dreamteam> : they wanted to do their part in fighting LV 04:53 <Aislinn> : I think it was a combination of wanting to help people and recognizing it was a good money maker 04:53 <scribe58> : Defensive products were certainly needed. As I remember the MoM purchased some of their items. 04:53 <Dreamteam> : and they knew it would help Harry and I think they wanted to help him as he'd helped them 04:53 <Aislinn> : yes, they did 04:54 <Eva> : they were first in line to get rid of Voledort 04:54 <Expelliarmas> : Initally, it was to help the dopes who worked at the MoM who could ot perform simple shield spells. And then it expanded. They were surprised by how poorly the MoM used magic. 04:54 <Aislinn> : they were all ready to fight for the Order, and do whatever was needed to help 04:54 <Expelliarmas> : And they would never walk away from that kind of profit 04:55 <Aislinn> : right - it ended up being win/win for them 04:55 <scribe58> : Their mom wouldn't let them become a part of the order, so they were trying to do what they could to help--and make some money. 04:55 <Expelliarmas> : In a way, they did end up working for the MoM; Molly might have been very proud 04:55 <Aislinn> : I think she ended up being very proud of them 04:56 <Expelliarmas> : I also think that if the Weasleys could have come up with magical products to help vulnerable Muggles during the 2nd war, they would have done so. 04:56 <Expelliarmas> : I also think they would have done the same for squibs 04:56 <Aislinn> : me too 04:57 <Expelliarmas> : except, perhaps, for Filch 04:57 <Aislinn> : well, Filch - he was right up there with Umbridge - bitter man that he was 04:57 <Eva> : no the twins had a good heart 04:57 <Expelliarmas> : Do you think the Twins were able to keep their shop open in DH? Why? 04:57 <Aislinn> : I think they were able to keep it open for at least the first part of the year 04:58 <scribe58> : All in all they really did care about people (How did I turn pink?) 04:58 <Aislinn> : they likely had to go into hiding with the rest of the family once the Trio escaped Malfoy Manor 04:58 <Aislinn> : you must have hovered over the colors on the lower right corner, scribe 04:58 <Expelliarmas> : Once the MoM fell, however, I think they would have become more active in the fight. I think the DEs would have kept an eye on their shop 04:59 <Eva> : well it was a joke shop after all and the DE wouldn't find it dangerous 04:59 <Aislinn> : they could have continued to sell innocent products in the shop, but distributed or sold defensive products more carefully by owl post 04:59 <Expelliarmas> : Of course, we'll have to ask JKR this question 04:59 <Aislinn> : been a front for the resistance 04:59 <Eva> : good idea 04:59 <Dreamteam> : I think there shop would have been targetted by the DEs because jokes make people happy which gives them hope, not something the DEs would want 05:00 <Eva> : they would had to vanish the unopuhh and the D.E. sweets 05:00 <Expelliarmas> : Last question of the chat: How did the loss of Fred affect George's ability to continue as a businessman? 05:00 <Aislinn> : fred *sob* 05:00 <Dreamteam> : I think he would have been devastated and not able to continue for a while 05:00 <Aislinn> : I would think he would have struggled for a while 05:01 <Eva> : I don't know how he went on 05:01 <Dreamteam> : although I think he would eventually have realised that Fred would have wanted him to keep the shop going 05:01 <Aislinn> : they were such partners, the way they finished each other's thoughts 05:01 <Eva> : Jo said that ROn help during some time 05:01 <scribe58> : They fed off of each other's talents. It would have been very difficult in the beginning. 05:01 <Expelliarmas> : It might have taken a while for Fred to get on with the business. They had created the products together and that interplay between them was intricle to their creative process. 05:01 <Aislinn> : I agree dreamteam - he would have gone on eventually 05:02 <Dreamteam> : yes, they were very much a team, two halves of a whole, it must have been very difficult to be creative 05:02 <Aislinn> : He likely continued with their existing line, but I bet it took him a while to move on to new inventions until he had dealt with Fred's death more 05:02 <scribe58> : Grief is difficult, and it takes time to heal, but I'm sure he was able to move on later... 05:03 <Eva> : He surely wouldn't invent joke products for a time 05:03 <Aislinn> : This has been a great chat! Hope you all can join us for our chat next Saturday on Neville! 05:03 <Eva> : I suppose that he changed to other more serious products also 05:03 <Aislinn> : I know Jane won't bother, since he bores her 05:03 <Aislinn> : NOT 05:03 <Aislinn> : heee 05:03 <Dreamteam> : It's been fun, great to have the booth back and I love the new layout 05:04 <Expelliarmas> : see y'all later 05:04 <Dreamteam> : just really sorry I missed the Sirius and Snape chat :( 05:04 <Eva> : It was nice 05:04 <Dreamteam> : just have to talk to myself, lol. 05:04 <Dreamteam> : Bye 05:04 <Aislinn> : we'll have to have a reprise of that one for you, dreamteam 05:04 <Dreamteam> : Yayy 05:04 <Dreamteam> : lol 05:04 <scribe58> : Late lunch, hope to be here Saturday. bye bye 05:05 <Aislinn> : bye all - see you soon! 05:05 <Eva> : see you next week with the fascinating Neville and his nice Toad Treveor This post has been edited by Aislinn: Aug 30 2009, 04:25 PM --------------------  To listen and share great filks, check out Swishandfilk.com New stuff: Nina's Piece of Me, MJ's Return to Forever & my Now We'll See |
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