The Wheel of Time Series, Part 2 |
 Jun 17 2009, 09:15 AM
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Leaky's Resident Borg Queen  Posts: 11,908 Joined: 11:45am July 25, 2005 Location: in space, the final frontier . . .   |
But Rand won't be coming with them. Something I picked up on this time when Rand is viewing the Aiel history is that they used to work with the Ogier (the Nim?) to help make things grow. Now they only sing when they go into battle.
Music again! -------------------- "That's why he fought. That's why he lived again, and that was the answer to Tam's question. I fight because last time, I failed. I fight because I want to fix what I did wrong. I want to do it right this time" -- Rand |
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Jun 17 2009, 09:45 AM
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Stargazing on the Astronomy Tower Posts: 3,908 Joined: 8:04pm September 28, 2005 Location: Astronomy Tower  |
That is true Rand and no channeler will be going with them. However there are other ways to get fire, and it seems they need Iron so that shouldn't be hard for them to get.
--------------------  "We need metaphors of magic and monsters in order to understand the human condition."-Stephen Donaldson "One of the greatest talents in the world is to never say two words when one will do." |
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Jun 17 2009, 11:16 AM
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Flesh-Eating-Slug Catcher Posts: 146 Joined: 12:02am February 24, 2009 |
QUOTE(Seven of Nine @ Jun 17 2009, 09:15 AM)  But Rand won't be coming with them. Something I picked up on this time when Rand is viewing the Aiel history is that they used to work with the Ogier (the Nim?) to help make things grow. Now they only sing when they go into battle. Music again! I think the Nim were the Green Man's race and something different and rarer than Ogier? |
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Jun 17 2009, 12:28 PM
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Leaky's Resident Borg Queen Posts: 11,908 Joined: 11:45am July 25, 2005 Location: in space, the final frontier . . . |
Welcome to the discussion, Owain! I was wondered about that as I was listening to that part. And the Green Man who died at the end of EotW was the last of his race, wasn't he? But the Aiel were part of that. Is that the song the Tu'atha'an(sp?)(traveling people) are looking for?
Shard, I keep hearing references to music that I've never noticed before. That group of 10,000(?) Aiel who formed a circle around the psycho male Aes Sedai and tried to sing him out of the destruction he did--and he killed them all, but then offed himself at the end. Man, those were really bad times. No wonder everyone is so scared of men who can channel! And what was the giant orb the men and women Aes Sedai blew up trying to use the One Source (as opposed to the true source) --the one both male and female can use? The power that Moridin is now using? That's seriously dangerous stuff. It is rather funny, though, that Mat asked to have the holes in his memory filled and failed to mention that he meant to have his own memories back. Oh, well, as long as it helps win the battle with the DO. Since he's dealt with both groups of Finns, I hope he's better prepared and doesn't lose his temper this time and do something stupid. Something about Rand's journey through Aiel history made me wonder. Was the DO already bound? Has he been bound before, escaped, and was bound again by Lews Therin and his 100? And Brandon answers a question on his blog about the DO: QUOTE Don writes:
"I wanted to comment on the general impression that nothing BIG changes with each turning of the Wheel, i.e., history repeats itself. It's mentioned in the books and has been confirmed by RJ in interviews. I take issue with this, however. The DO can influence the world AND he is outside the Pattern and the turning of the Wheel. History doesn't repeat for the DO. In his quest to break the Wheel, why would he repeat the same steps over and over again, knowing they don't work? He remembers and learns with each turning of the Wheel. Because of this, I feel that the possibility exists that something "different" could happen, and that perhaps this something "different" might happen at the end of this series. No one really agrees with me, though. : (" I wanted to answer this one, since there has been a lot of talk about Warbreaker on the blog lately, and I wanted to do something for the Wheel of Time readers. Don, you're actually quite right. The Dark One CAN stop the Wheel from turning. Indeed, this is his goal. So far, history has repeated for the Dark One--but only because he has failed at his attempts to unravel the Pattern. Now, the theory websites can go into all of this in much more depth (and specificity) than I can. I'm no replacement for Robert Jordan when it comes to continuity and cannon within the Wheel of Time world. (Except where it comes to the last volume.) Many questions and thoughts like this are better sent toward Bob at the Encyclopedia WoT or on the forums at Theoryland or Dragonmount (or on any of the other excellent websites.) However, this particular topic was one I decided I needed to delve into during my research for the final books. If I didn't understand the Dark One's motivations and goals, I didn't think I could do the Last Battle justice. And so, I can state with reasonable authority that the Dark One is indeed capable of doing what you say. Though, it should be noted that in many cases, the Dark One's actions will repeat themselves--he will try the same ploys, though I can't speak for certain on how much he has varied those over the years.. But I can promise that just because he has failed in the past doesn't mean he will fail again. This series could end with the Dark One breaking the Wheel and destroying the Pattern. That is what is at stake. This post has been edited by Seven of Nine: Jun 17 2009, 01:01 PM -------------------- "That's why he fought. That's why he lived again, and that was the answer to Tam's question. I fight because last time, I failed. I fight because I want to fix what I did wrong. I want to do it right this time" -- Rand |
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Jun 17 2009, 10:16 PM
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Stargazing on the Astronomy Tower Posts: 3,908 Joined: 8:04pm September 28, 2005 Location: Astronomy Tower |
Somestra, aka the Green Man, is the last of the Race of Nym. The Nym were magic constructs to help with growing crops, probably part of the reason world hunger was wiped out.
Now I don't know if the songs the Nym used are the same as the Ogier but if they are the Tinkers have already listened to and rejected the Growing Song as the song they are seeking. Some theorize that there is no song, that the Tinkers built up this legend of the Song to cure everything. I thought it was sad reading about that part where the mad AS was fixated on the singing Aiel. They did it to keep him occupied so the people of the city could escape. The sphere I think was the Sharom, it was a research center for Science and experiments with the One Power. -------------------- "We need metaphors of magic and monsters in order to understand the human condition."-Stephen Donaldson "One of the greatest talents in the world is to never say two words when one will do." |
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Jun 18 2009, 09:28 AM
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Leaky's Resident Borg Queen Posts: 11,908 Joined: 11:45am July 25, 2005 Location: in space, the final frontier . . . |
But it's not the same as Saidar and Saidin, correct?
-------------------- "That's why he fought. That's why he lived again, and that was the answer to Tam's question. I fight because last time, I failed. I fight because I want to fix what I did wrong. I want to do it right this time" -- Rand |
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Jun 18 2009, 11:21 AM
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Stargazing on the Astronomy Tower Posts: 3,908 Joined: 8:04pm September 28, 2005 Location: Astronomy Tower |
No it is not, it's the DO's power is what Moridin and other Forsaken are using.
-------------------- "We need metaphors of magic and monsters in order to understand the human condition."-Stephen Donaldson "One of the greatest talents in the world is to never say two words when one will do." |
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Jun 18 2009, 11:23 AM
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Leaky's Resident Borg Queen Posts: 11,908 Joined: 11:45am July 25, 2005 Location: in space, the final frontier . . . |
Holy Cow! What were those male and female Aes Sedai thinking of then in trying to use it? You'd think if they knew it was the DO's power source they wouldn't want to have anything to do with it. Could that have turned some of them?
ETA: *gasp* I never noticed before that Lord Luc (Rand's uncle) killed Rand's Aiel father!!  Another ETA: Back to that thingy that blew up when they tried to use a new source of the One Power. From the WoT Encyclopaedia: QUOTE * Mierin and Beidomon tap into what they think is a new source of the One Power and unexpectedly open a hole into the Dark One's prison. The Sharom at the Collam Daan explodes in black fire. (TSR,Ch26) * Mierin proclaims her allegiance to the Great Lord of the Dark in the Hall of the Servants. (TDR,Ch36) Now Mierin is who Lanfear was fighting on side of the Light before she turned to the shadow. But it appears she didn't turn to the shadow until after this experience with the Sharom. Does trying to use that power source taint the user? Were there others who became the Forsaken part of that group? Or did Lanfear turn to the dark because Lews Therin spurned her? Pretty lame excuse, imho, but if you're walking a fence anyway it wouldn't take much to cross over one way or the other. 
This post has been edited by Seven of Nine: Jun 18 2009, 08:00 PM -------------------- "That's why he fought. That's why he lived again, and that was the answer to Tam's question. I fight because last time, I failed. I fight because I want to fix what I did wrong. I want to do it right this time" -- Rand |
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Jun 19 2009, 08:19 AM
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Stargazing on the Astronomy Tower Posts: 3,908 Joined: 8:04pm September 28, 2005 Location: Astronomy Tower |
Yes Slayer is responsible for many deaths, I wonder if Rand will ever find out about his father's death at Slayer's hands.
According to RJ Lanfear was ready for the Shadow long before the Bore was made. Though being spurned by Lews is probably the excuse she trots out, she really just wants power. Remember Lanfear proposed to Rand that they could take on even the Creator and DO with the Chodan Kal at there hands. It's power and control which is why some are seduced by his power, like Moridin. There may be some that were forced to the Shadow we just don't know yet. -------------------- "We need metaphors of magic and monsters in order to understand the human condition."-Stephen Donaldson "One of the greatest talents in the world is to never say two words when one will do." |
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Jun 23 2009, 12:33 PM
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Leaky's Resident Borg Queen Posts: 11,908 Joined: 11:45am July 25, 2005 Location: in space, the final frontier . . . |
Faile perhaps wants glory more than power, but she still troubles me. But I think I'd like her if she didn't punish Perrin for things he has no way of knowing. She appreciates forthrightness but won't act that way herself.
Verin makes a comment to Perrin just before the big battle at the Two Rivers. She questions whether or not Perrin understands what it means to have married Faile. Perrin obviously does not. Is there any hint of the significance except that Faile appears to be 2nd from the throne, only behind her father? From Brandon's Blog: QUOTE If you're following along at home, The Gathering Storm is now in the proofread stage. I got an email letting me know that the manuscript will be coming back after the proofreads in July, and we'll need to have it back by the end of July. Then it's on to production officially. Things are getting close now.
This post has been edited by Seven of Nine: Jun 23 2009, 03:40 PM -------------------- "That's why he fought. That's why he lived again, and that was the answer to Tam's question. I fight because last time, I failed. I fight because I want to fix what I did wrong. I want to do it right this time" -- Rand |
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