Wize Wizard Chat Transcript: 1-3-07, Snape's Worst Memory |
 Jan 3 2007, 09:29 PM
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Today's Text Chat Moderators were: Aislinn, Expelliarmas, fawkes28, futureweasley, Mr. McGonagall, SoonerGryffindor
[18:58] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [18:58] *** Topic is: WWW Chat: Snape's Worst Memory [18:58] *** Topic set by SoonerGryffindor [Thu Dec 7 20:19:15 2006] [19:00] *** Ameena has joined #lounge [19:00] *** amyluhu has joined #lounge [19:00] *** Ameena has quit [Bye] [19:00] <Aislinn> hi folks smile [19:00] <amyluhu> hi all [19:00] *** HeidiBug has joined #lounge [19:00] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [19:00] <futureweasley> hello ladies [19:00] *** montims has joined #lounge [19:00] <fawkes28> hello all smile [19:00] <harryfreak359> hi guys! [19:00] <Aislinn> good evening all! smile [19:00] <futureweasley> hi montims [19:00] <SoonerGryffindor> hey everyone! I will be back to chat in a few minutes! [19:01] <montims> hello - just popped in for a second - 1st time here - very excited! [19:01] <Aislinn> welcome, welcome! [19:01] <fawkes28> this is going to be a great chat!!! [19:01] <amyluhu> welcome montims [19:01] <harryfreak359> whoo hoo! [19:01] <amyluhu> anything about snape is great [19:01] <harryfreak359> brb [19:01] <Aislinn> we usually just have general chat for the first 15 minutes, to give people a chance to arrive and settle in, and then start the discussion [19:01] * futureweasley thinks montims is going to love the corner booth! [19:02] *** Pellinore has joined #lounge [19:02] *** tonksista has joined #lounge [19:02] <fawkes28> welcome montims! [19:02] <amyluhu> absotively [19:02] <Aislinn> and this one should be hopping! [19:02] <fawkes28> hey pellinore and tonks [19:02] <Aislinn> biggrin [19:02] <futureweasley> hi guys! Welcome to the Corner Booth! [19:02] <fawkes28> always aislinn smile [19:02] *** EmmasDouble has joined #lounge [19:02] <Pellinore> hi ya ;o [19:02] <tonksista> this is my frist time doing this [19:02] <fawkes28> hi emma [19:02] <EmmasDouble> alright so what do we talk about here [19:02] <tonksista> i was so excited [19:02] <Aislinn> glad you came, tonks [19:03] <futureweasley> tonks, you are going to love it, me thinks [19:03] <tonksista> lo [19:03] <tonksista> lol [19:03] <EmmasDouble> ya this is my fist time doing this too [19:03] <Aislinn> we will be starting at quarter past, emma - and will be talking about Snape's worst memory [19:03] <fawkes28> tonight is Snape's Worst Memory [19:03] <Pellinore> just Snape's Worst Memory or the entire chapter? [19:03] <tonksista> yeah i am not the only newbie [19:03] <EmmasDouble> lol nope [19:03] <fawkes28> awesome! [19:03] <Aislinn> events around the memory pellinore [19:03] *** Ameena has joined #lounge [19:03] <EmmasDouble> huh [19:03] *** nympheart has joined #lounge [19:03] <harryfreak359> sounds like a great chat! [19:03] *** daretodream2 has joined #lounge [19:03] <futureweasley> hi Ameena, Nymph and d2d2 [19:04] <Aislinn> hey nymph, dare2dream [19:04] <Ameena> I'm really looking forward to it biggrin [19:04] <EmmasDouble> so we talk about snapes worst memory [19:04] <nympheart> hello all [19:04] <montims> darn it - got to run - be back asap [19:04] <daretodream2> hi all [19:04] <EmmasDouble> the chapter [19:04] <fawkes28> testing [19:04] <Aislinn> see you later [19:04] <fawkes28> ah good smile [19:04] <amyluhu> welcome [19:04] *** montims has quit [Bye] [19:04] <Ameena> I don't think I'll be able to be on for too long [19:04] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, I will be asking the questions and you guys will be telling us your thoughts based off of the questions that get asked [19:04] <EmmasDouble> ohh ok i gotcha [19:04] <futureweasley> we'll get started around quarter after... [19:04] <futureweasley> give people enough time to get here and all [19:04] <EmmasDouble> ok [19:05] <EmmasDouble> ill be back then [19:05] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [19:05] *** EmmasDouble left #lounge [] [19:05] <Aislinn> has everyone checked out the new Book Club? [19:05] <SoonerGryffindor> Hi Debbie [19:05] <nympheart> hi debbie [19:05] <Aislinn> hi debbie [19:05] <DumbleDebbie> hey smile [19:05] <SoonerGryffindor> Love the new book club [19:05] <futureweasley> hi debbie [19:05] <fawkes28> hi debbie [19:05] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, very cool Aislinn [19:05] <fawkes28> I love it as well! [19:05] <amyluhu> i still need to aislinn [19:05] *** CedrellaBlack has joined #lounge [19:05] <nympheart> hi ced [19:05] <futureweasley> hi ced [19:05] *** fw00per has joined #lounge [19:05] <amyluhu> hey ced [19:05] <Aislinn> it's been getting a lot of activity, amy - lots of interesting topics in there [19:05] <futureweasley> hi fw00per [19:05] <SoonerGryffindor> hey CD [19:05] <nympheart> hi fw00per [19:06] <Aislinn> Hi ced, fwooper [19:06] <amyluhu> sounds cool aislinn [19:06] <fw00per> hiya everyone, started yet? [19:06] <CedrellaBlack> hey everyone! [19:06] <SoonerGryffindor> we dont officially start the questions till a quarter after [19:06] <Aislinn> not yet [19:06] *** bemused has joined #lounge [19:06] <Aislinn> hi bemused smile [19:06] <nympheart> hi bemused [19:06] <SoonerGryffindor> hi bemused [19:06] *** Dreamteam has joined #lounge [19:06] <CedrellaBlack> wow its been sooo long since ive been in the CB [19:06] <fw00per> hi bemused [19:06] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome back Ced [19:06] <Aislinn> hey dream [19:06] <bemused> Hello everyone [19:06] <harryfreak359> Hi Ced! [19:06] <Ameena> same here CB [19:06] <nympheart> hi dreamteam [19:06] <amyluhu> me too. i think maybe a month [19:06] <CedrellaBlack> thanks lol [19:06] <SoonerGryffindor> hello dream [19:06] <harryfreak359> Long time no see biggrin [19:06] * HeidiBug is excited about the topic [19:07] <futureweasley> hi dreamteam! [19:07] <Aislinn> it's been a hectic time of year [19:07] <CedrellaBlack> lol hf [19:07] <fawkes28> hi dreamteam! [19:07] *** OwleryResident has joined #lounge [19:07] <futureweasley> hi owlery [19:07] <nympheart> hi owlery [19:07] <Aislinn> hello owlery [19:07] <Dreamteam> Hi everyone, took me about three attempts to get in, just about to give up and it worked [19:07] <fawkes28> hi owlery [19:07] <SoonerGryffindor> wait till you guys see the magnificent questions that Aislinn has written. I am very excited [19:07] <DumbleDebbie> hi owlery [19:07] <harryfreak359> THat's good Dreamteam [19:07] <DumbleDebbie> I'm sure you are grin [19:07] <harryfreak359> Whoot Aislinn! [19:07] <OwleryResident> hi everyone [19:07] <Aislinn> glad you stuck with it dream - it can be finicky at times [19:07] <bemused> ...kick me if I start snoring, it's so late... [19:07] <fw00per> hey sooner, sorry about your team in the bowl [19:07] <DumbleDebbie> too bad you don't like talkign about Snape though Sooner [19:07] <CedrellaBlack> oooooo Great topic! w00t2 [19:07] <futureweasley> oh bemused, you slipped in and I didn't see you! Hi! [19:08] *** Greeneyes15 has joined #lounge [19:08] *** readypc has joined #lounge [19:08] <SoonerGryffindor> we are not talking about that fwooper. Please lets not talk about that [19:08] <DumbleDebbie> hi green [19:08] <bemused> hello, future [19:08] <DumbleDebbie> hi ready [19:08] <nympheart> hi greeneyes, readypc [19:08] *** cbm has joined #lounge [19:08] <Greeneyes15> hey everyone! [19:08] <DumbleDebbie> hi cbm [19:08] <Aislinn> hi all smile [19:08] <futureweasley> hi greeneyes, ready [19:08] <nympheart> hi cbm [19:08] <fw00per> understood, sooner, I'd say the same thing [19:08] <Aislinn> glad you could make it [19:08] <cbm> Hi everyone! [19:08] <CedrellaBlack> wait the super bowl already happened? [19:08] <fawkes28> welcome everyone! smile [19:08] <SoonerGryffindor> hi green, hi cbm [19:08] <Pellinore> college bowl [19:08] <CedrellaBlack> ooo [19:08] *** Ameena left #lounge [] [19:08] <CedrellaBlack> i dont like football [19:08] <Greeneyes15> what ru taking about? [19:08] * futureweasley squeezes cbm so hard, she thinks she heard a rip crack [19:08] <CedrellaBlack> so i never know when anything is [19:08] <nympheart> neither do i, ced [19:08] <DumbleDebbie> a rip crack? lol [19:08] <harryfreak359> lol Ced [19:09] <readypc> hi [19:09] <DumbleDebbie> wink [19:09] <harryfreak359> hahaha [19:09] <CedrellaBlack> hey debbie! [19:09] <fw00per> lol on the rip crack [19:09] <DumbleDebbie> hey Ced! [19:09] <CedrellaBlack> i didnt seee you thereee [19:09] <cbm> ouch [19:09] <DumbleDebbie> sneaky me [19:09] <CedrellaBlack> how are the :stag: [19:09] <CedrellaBlack> nope [19:09] <harryfreak359> smile [19:09] <CedrellaBlack> doesnt work [19:09] <CedrellaBlack> how are the deer [19:10] <DumbleDebbie> saw some in the parking lot at work a little while ago [19:10] <Pellinore> hanging quietly on the wall ;o [19:10] *** EmmasDouble has joined #lounge [19:10] <fw00per> awwww [19:10] <DumbleDebbie> they're always lurking around, no hunting on the Island makes them bold [19:10] <DumbleDebbie> hi emma [19:10] <EmmasDouble> Hey you guys..ima llie [19:10] *** EmmasDouble has quit [Bye] [19:10] <CedrellaBlack> one time we had 2 running down our street it was a snow day and they were just running through the snow [19:10] <DumbleDebbie> cute [19:10] *** kvermilya91 has joined #lounge [19:10] * nympheart misses snow [19:11] <HeidiBug> Hi Kristin! [19:11] <fawkes28> hi kvermily [19:11] <nympheart> hi kvermilya [19:11] <fw00per> they constantly eat all the bird seed in the feeder [19:11] * CedrellaBlack wants it to snow! [19:11] <futureweasley> well, let me just say that Gerald R Ford's funeral was here today, and I got to see the COOLEST thing ever...a 21 plane fly-over [19:11] <Dreamteam> dreamteam would like to miss snow [19:11] <futureweasley> it was super cool [19:11] <kvermilya91> hey everyone [19:11] <DumbleDebbie> hi kver [19:11] <kvermilya91> hi Heidi [19:11] <Aislinn> that is cool future [19:11] <Pellinore> all fighter jets? [19:11] <CedrellaBlack> whoaaa [19:11] <readypc> we watched part of the funeral in school [19:11] <DumbleDebbie> wow future! that must've been impressive [19:11] <futureweasley> yes, the were all fighter jets [19:11] <HeidiBug> I didn't think you were going to make it, Kristin [19:11] <DumbleDebbie> those give me chills [19:11] <DumbleDebbie> as does the missing man formatino [19:11] <tonksista> wow [19:11] <DumbleDebbie> *formation [19:11] <futureweasley> it brought a tear to my eye...a real sense of closure [19:11] <kvermilya91> Well I did make it, thanks to your reminding [19:11] *** WaggaWaggaWerewolf has joined #lounge [19:11] <fawkes28> hi wagga [19:12] <DumbleDebbie> hi WWW [19:12] <futureweasley> hi wagga [19:12] <SoonerGryffindor> hey wagga [19:12] <harryfreak359> Hi Wagga [19:12] <tonksista> i watch the funeral on tv [19:12] <fw00per> hi wagga [19:12] <nympheart> hi www [19:12] <kvermilya91> hello werewolf [19:12] <Aislinn> hey Wagga [19:12] *** Greeneyes15 has quit [Bye] [19:12] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Hi smile [19:12] <Dreamteam> Hi WWW [19:12] <HeidiBug> cool name, wagga wagga [19:12] *** Greeneyes15 has joined #lounge [19:12] *** daretodream2 has quit [Bye] [19:12] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> which funeral? [19:12] <DumbleDebbie> wb greeneyes [19:12] <futureweasley> one of our past presidents... [19:12] <futureweasley> Gerald R Ford [19:12] <Greeneyes15> hey [19:12] <CedrellaBlack> i have to find a good picture of me from 2001 [19:12] <Pellinore> took over when Nixon was impeached [19:13] <Greeneyes15> had to switch computers [19:13] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Oh that's right! Gerald Ford. [19:13] *** adamgryff has joined #lounge [19:13] <CedrellaBlack> it is becoming hard...i forgothow bad that year was...the gap between my front teeth was soo big i could fit my pinkie inbetween [19:13] <nympheart> hi adam [19:13] <fawkes28> hi adam! [19:13] <DumbleDebbie> hey Adam! [19:13] <fw00per> hi adam [19:13] <futureweasley> hi adam [19:13] <adamgryff> hi guys [19:13] <CedrellaBlack> hey adam! [19:13] <SoonerGryffindor> hey adam! [19:13] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I know. Heard all about it. Most Aussies know more about USA than Australia. (joking) [19:13] <harryfreak359> Hi Adam! [19:13] <bemused> hello Adam [19:14] <Aislinn> Hi adam [19:14] <DumbleDebbie> sadly Wagga that's sometimes pretty accurate [19:14] *** gryffindelle has joined #lounge [19:14] <fawkes28> hi gryff [19:14] <nympheart> hi gryffindelle [19:14] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Hi Adam [19:14] <gryffindelle> hi [19:14] <DumbleDebbie> hi gryff [19:14] <fw00per> hi gryff [19:14] <SoonerGryffindor> hey gryff [19:14] <Aislinn> laugh: [19:14] <kvermilya91> hey gryff [19:14] <adamgryff> I'm not sure I'm staying for the whole chat [19:14] <adamgryff> hey gryff [19:14] * Aislinn thinks this is a popular topic [19:14] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [19:14] <futureweasley> yes, it must be! [19:14] <DumbleDebbie> definitely Aislinn [19:14] <gryffindelle> i missed you all, but I still can't stay for long [19:15] *** MrMcGonagall has joined #lounge [19:15] <Greeneyes15> can you guys see me? [19:15] <nympheart> hi MrM [19:15] * gryffindelle runs off to corner to cry [19:15] <kvermilya91> yes. [19:15] <fw00per> hi Mr.McG [19:15] <Dreamteam> Hi MrMcG [19:15] <nympheart> we see you greeneyes [19:15] <fawkes28> Time to get started! [19:15] <Aislinn> Hi mr M [19:15] <fawkes28> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You’re not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you’ll be able to type again soon. [19:15] <fawkes28> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod [19:15] <fawkes28> You won’t be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it” in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [19:15] <fawkes28> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [19:15] <fawkes28> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [19:15] <SoonerGryffindor> When Harry was taking Occlumency lessons with Snape, he observed Snape carefully placing memories into Dumbledore's pensieve. There came a lesson when Snape was called out of the room, and Harry, giving in to temptation, dove into the memories placed there. He found Snape hard at work on his DADA OWL, and also saw the young Marauders taking the same exam. This is our first opportunity to see the Marauders as a group. [19:16] *** cbm has joined #lounge [19:16] <SoonerGryffindor> Once the test was over, all of them went out onto the lawn where there ultimately was a confrontation between Snape, James and Sirius, with Lily joining in the fray. Harry was dragged out of this memory by a livid Snape, who threw him out, leaving Harry shaken about the vision he had just seen. Let's discuss what impact this pivotal scene has had on the story, as well as on people's views of the characters. [19:16] <SoonerGryffindor> Why do you think that Snape chose the memories he did, to place into the pensieve? [19:16] <DumbleDebbie> Hey Mr. M!!! smile [19:16] <gryffindelle> they were his most embarassing moments [19:16] <futureweasley> I don't think that Snape wanted Harry to see how he treated Lily [19:16] <nympheart> Snape's a very private person, I don't think he wanted Harry to know about his childhood [19:16] <DumbleDebbie> It seems it was something he was wanting to hide from Harry [19:16] <kvermilya91> I think they were troubling him the worst, making it hard for him to concentrate on what he was trying to do for Dumbledore [19:17] <fw00per> he didn't want Harry to see his underside [19:17] <kvermilya91> and he thought harry would access them [19:17] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it was interesting that he chose what he did [19:17] <MrMcGonagall> I'm behind you 100% on that one, FW. [19:17] <harryfreak359> Wel I htink he was emmbarrassed [19:17] *** tonksista has quit [Bye] [19:17] <amyluhu> snape didn't want harry to see how affected he was by James and sirius [19:17] <Dreamteam> He didn't want Harry to see how vulnerable he was at that time [19:17] <Aislinn> you think it was a concentration thing, kvermilya? That's interesting [19:17] <bemused> Because it was uppermost in his mind with Harry around and he didn't want him to see it [19:17] <futureweasley> I also think that the events of that particular day shaped what decisions Snape made from that point forward [19:17] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Maybe they were things that genuinely upset him. [19:17] <fawkes28> I think that he just wanted to forget about it all [19:17] <fw00per> that make's sense bemused [19:17] <Greeneyes15> I think he didn't want Harry to see that James could push him around like that [19:17] <Pellinore> dunno.. kinda ambivilant... Snape may have wanted harry to see those by putting them there in Harry's view so he'd see what James was really like [19:17] <readypc> I think the memory would have distracted harry if he had seen it. [19:17] <adamgryff> yes fawkes [19:17] <kvermilya91> I do think it is a concentration thing [19:17] <DumbleDebbie> could be FW [19:17] <MrMcGonagall> Snape was picked on by the Marauders all the time. Why was this one different? [19:17] <cbm> On the other hand, look what these memories did to Harry and his view of his father [19:18] <amyluhu> and it did ready [19:18] <SoonerGryffindor> logically though, why would Snape care if Harry saw his father in such a bad light? [19:18] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Then why did Snape always make such a big deal about putting those 3 memories in the pensieve? [19:18] <gryffindelle> i've got to go, i'll be back later [19:18] <gryffindelle> byebye [19:18] <nympheart> I'd imagine this memory was among Snape's worst experiences [19:18] *** gryffindelle left #lounge [] [19:18] <bemused> There's probably more to it than we yet know - backstory or consequence [19:18] <SoonerGryffindor> bye gryff [19:18] <Aislinn> yes, bemused, I agree that his opinions of the marauders is something snape has poor control over, so removing the memories may have helped with that control [19:18] <adamgryff> it was lily not james that Snape didn't want Harry to see [19:19] <fw00per> maybe we didn't see the entire memory [19:19] <harryfreak359> lagg... [19:19] <harryfreak359> Well, true sooner, but it was kind of embarrassing for Snape though [19:19] <kvermilya91> I think that that certain memory troubled him the most because lily was in it [19:19] *** tonksista has joined #lounge [19:19] <futureweasley> I fully support that, adam [19:19] <DumbleDebbie> I don't think that's what he was hiding Sooner [19:19] <DumbleDebbie> seems he'd be more embarrased at that memory. [19:19] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Maybe the way he reacted was something to be ashamed of? [19:19] <nympheart> hi toksista [19:19] <amyluhu> i think he didn't want harry to see how well james could control him [19:19] <SoonerGryffindor> So there must have been something even more important to hide to offset the postive of Harry seeing his father in a bad light? [19:19] <DumbleDebbie> hi tonksista [19:19] <tonksista> hi what was the question my chat had to refresh [19:19] <Dreamteam> Perhaps he didn't want his greying underpants displayed again [19:19] <fw00per> exactly what i was about to type amyluhu [19:19] <HeidiBug> They picked on him all the time, but I think that's the only time they flipped him over and revealed his underwear . . .very embarrassing. [19:19] <readypc> haha dreamteam [19:19] <DumbleDebbie> lol Dreamteam [19:19] <Aislinn> yes, sooner, it seems like there would have to have been [19:20] <adamgryff> because snape would have rater enjoyed the fact that Harry knew how awful his father had been [19:20] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Didn't want to wash his linen in public [19:20] *** Greeneyes15 has quit [Bye] [19:20] *** Greeneyes15 has joined #lounge [19:20] <kvermilya91> I think he was upset because it was humiliating infront of Lily... and it was messing with his concentration [19:20] <cbm> I agree Adam [19:20] <HeidiBug> lol, wagga [19:20] <Aislinn> Snape is eager for Harry to know what a prat his father was, so it must have been something else [19:20] <bemused> I think it has to be about Lily, not James [19:20] <SoonerGryffindor> repeat of the question: Why do you think that Snape chose the memories he did, to place into the pensieve? [19:20] <Pellinore> It seems to easy an explanation that Snape didn't want harry to see him be pants'd by James. [19:20] <fw00per> i agree kver [19:20] <tonksista> i think it was embrassing becuase james the man he hated got the better of him in front og the woman he loved. lily [19:20] <bemused> Wonder what the other memories were.... [19:20] <SoonerGryffindor> Why did Snape wait until Harry was present, to take out the memories and place them in the pensieve? [19:21] <harryfreak359> I agee Pellinore [19:21] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Wormtail also in memory. Interesting that a book later, Wormtail living with Snape. [19:21] <Dreamteam> It does make sense that it would be a sort of revenge, in his eyes, to spoil Harry's view of his 'perfect' father [19:21] <DumbleDebbie> now that *is* curious [19:21] <SoonerGryffindor> I have a suspicion about this..... [19:21] <adamgryff> good question [19:21] <cbm> So Harry would know that they are there [19:21] <Aislinn> I think this is an important issue [19:21] <kvermilya91> I think it was more of Harry entering at the wrong moment [19:21] <futureweasley> you think so, cbm? [19:21] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that Snape wanted Harry to look at them [19:21] <futureweasley> that surprises me [19:21] <fawkes28> perhaps he wanted to do it earlier and just ran out of time [19:21] <bemused> I think it's because they come to his mind when Harry is actually there [19:21] <cbm> Yes FW [19:21] <amyluhu> maybe to let haryy know that he wouldn't get into his mind? [19:21] <HeidiBug> that's what I thought it was too, Kritstin [19:21] <DumbleDebbie> interesting [19:21] <Aislinn> he could have taken them out and hidden them away - it was almost like he was drawing harry's attention to them [19:21] <MrMcGonagall> Oh, that's good bemused. [19:21] <fw00per> he probably wanted to taunt harry a bit about not being able to see something [19:21] <Pellinore> couple of possibilities... 1) didn't want Harry to see James pants him. 2) didn't want to reveal something that happened after James Pants'd him that we didn't see. 3) Wanted Harry to see what a berk James was. 4) embaressed about what he called Lilly [19:21] <Aislinn> it happened more than once fawkes [19:21] <amyluhu> good point aislinn [19:22] <nympheart> i think so fw00per [19:22] <fawkes28> It could have been a test - to see how moral Harry is [19:22] *** Narya has joined #lounge [19:22] <DumbleDebbie> hi narya [19:22] <fawkes28> hi narya smile [19:22] <SoonerGryffindor> hi Narya [19:22] <futureweasley> hi Narya [19:22] <nympheart> hi narya [19:22] <harryfreak359> Hhi Narya [19:22] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Agree Aislinn [19:22] <adamgryff> hi narya [19:22] <bemused> but he didn't know he'd be called away [19:22] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Hi Narya [19:22] <Aislinn> hey narya [19:22] <Dreamteam> like that fawkes [19:22] <kvermilya91> But I think it is contradictory, to say that he wanted harry to see, yet he was embarrassed. [19:22] <Narya> Hi all [19:22] <readypc> yea fawkes [19:22] <SoonerGryffindor> cbm, do you think that is was on purpose? [19:22] <Aislinn> right, kvermilya [19:22] <cbm> yes [19:22] <CedrellaBlack> he may have just forgotten to do it...and did it then [19:22] <futureweasley> I think that Snape likely didn't want Harry to see the memories, because he thought that Harry was on the border of having a good Occlumency session [19:22] <SoonerGryffindor> me too [19:22] <fw00per> I don't think he wanted harry to see - he had a very violent reaction [19:22] <cbm> 60% yes [19:22] *** Greeneyes15 has quit [Bye] [19:22] <DumbleDebbie> so maybe the point of the memory *was* to cut down Harry's idea of his father [19:22] *** Greeneyes15 has joined #lounge [19:22] <futureweasley> he took them out and put them away [19:22] <Aislinn> so it begs the question - was he really trying to prevent harry from seeing those memories? [19:22] <HeidiBug> Snape seemed REALLY ticked off when Harry saw those memories. I can't see Snape actually wanting Harry to see them. [19:22] <fawkes28> Snape may have wanted to see how far would good - Harry does break the rules a lot [19:23] <SoonerGryffindor> weird cause we are on opposite sides of the "Snape issue" [19:23] <amyluhu> but who is more caontradictory than a double agent? [19:23] <kvermilya91> I think so, Aislinn [19:23] *** Pleshette has joined #lounge [19:23] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont think he was Aislinn [19:23] <fawkes28> hi pleshette [19:23] <nympheart> hi pleshette [19:23] <adamgryff> hi pleshette [19:23] <bemused> But how could Snape have known that he would be leaving Harry in the room? [19:23] <DumbleDebbie> hi Pleshette [19:23] <fw00per> he pleshette! [19:23] <cbm> He would if he wanted to cut down Harry's opinion of his father [19:23] <Aislinn> I really wonder if he was too sooner [19:23] <Pleshette> Hello! [19:23] <bemused> hello Pleshette! [19:23] <Aislinn> hey pleshette [19:23] <SoonerGryffindor> lo Pleshette [19:23] <readypc> I just think he didnt want harry to see them. [19:23] <kvermilya91> I'm not totally sure Snape thought harry would really try to enter the pensieve [19:23] <Pellinore> Snape may have wanted to get out of doing occulumency with Harry so set him up with something that Snape is mature enough to really have gotten over. [19:23] <MrMcGonagall> I wonder that too, aislinn. Why did he think Harry might have access to those memories in an occlumency lessons. Surely he couldn't have anticipated Harry being able to read his mind. [19:23] <amyluhu> hey plesh [19:24] <Aislinn> I think it would have been so easy for him to remove those memories before Harry ever got there [19:24] <kvermilya91> but maybe that isn't the point. [19:24] <SoonerGryffindor> I wonder if he was hiding the memories from Harry or from Voldemort [19:24] <Narya> I think Snape knew exactly what he was doing, leaving that memory there for Harry to see [19:24] <Aislinn> right, Mr M - he didn't seem to seriously think that Harry would be able to break into his mind [19:24] <harryfreak359> ahhh shoot g2g [19:24] <kvermilya91> Ahh, good point SG [19:24] <nympheart> that's interesting sooner [19:24] <fawkes28> good question, sooner [19:24] <cbm> If he really did not want Harry to see them, he would of made sure Harry left the room. [19:24] *** tonksista has quit [Bye] [19:24] <adamgryff> interest sooner [19:24] <bemused> Sorry to repeat, but I think they're the things he thinks about when he looks at Harry [19:24] <futureweasley> Sooner, yes! I think he was hiding it from both [19:24] <Aislinn> awww - bye harryfreak [19:24] <harryfreak359> be back in 1/2 hour bye guys sad [19:24] <nympheart> bye hf [19:24] <fw00per> harry was able to see them one time when he produced the stinging charm [19:24] <SoonerGryffindor> bye hf [19:24] <MrMcGonagall> That is a good point, Sooner. [19:24] <adamgryff> bye hf [19:24] *** tonksista has joined #lounge [19:24] <fawkes28> bye hf [19:24] <HeidiBug> I just think he put those memories in there because if Harry broke through, he didn't want him to see how volnurable (sp?) he had been at those times. [19:25] <amyluhu> very good bemused [19:25] <readypc> I'm sure at that point , when he was leaving he wasn't focused on harry and the memories [19:25] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [19:25] <DumbleDebbie> oo I wonder Sooner [19:25] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Agreed aislinn, when have we seen Harry arriving early to Snape's office? [19:25] <kvermilya91> yes, RPC [19:25] <fw00per> agree heidibug [19:25] <Pellinore> seems strange to put the memories in a Pensive when we know memories could just be dropped into a vial (slughorn etc) [19:25] <fw00per> ooo pellinore, never thought of that [19:25] <Aislinn> that is an interesting thought, sooner. He knows about the connection with LV, and maybe he is hiding them more from LV [19:25] <DumbleDebbie> good point Pellinore [19:25] <amyluhu> hmmm pel [19:26] <Greeneyes15> Umm...i keep getting cut off so i'm gonna go right now and try again soon! [19:26] <tonksista> you know i have always wondered if that was the instance that snape life debit with james comes in [19:26] *** Greeneyes15 has quit [Bye] [19:26] <Pleshette> Perhaps a vial would be for long term storage [19:26] <SoonerGryffindor> What was your reaction to Harry choosing to enter the pensieve when he did? [19:26] <Pleshette> A pensieve to remove temporarily [19:26] <MrMcGonagall> True, because Snape knows the reason why DD wants Harry to learn Occlumency. [19:26] <CedrellaBlack> Bad Idea [19:26] <fw00per> good idea, pleshette [19:26] <MrMcGonagall> Bad idea, Harry. [19:26] <kvermilya91> I was a little bit edgy, cause I knew it wouldn't end well for Harry [19:26] <nympheart> didn't you learn the first time? [19:26] <Dreamteam> Reckless [19:26] <cbm> Very bad idea [19:26] <adamgryff> bad idea [19:26] <HeidiBug> My reaction was "No, Harry! Don't do it! Snape will KILL you!" [19:26] <futureweasley> typical curious Harry [19:26] <SoonerGryffindor> I was telling him the whole time I was reading not to do it. laugh [19:26] <readypc> i had to stop reading i was embarassed for him [19:26] <DumbleDebbie> but that's so typical Harry [19:26] <bemused> Well, he was bound to see more than he bargained for [19:26] <kvermilya91> but of course, very very curious of Snape's memories [19:26] <Pellinore> couldn't wait to see what Snape was hiding smile [19:26] <fawkes28> I was surprised that he entered because he has such a bad history with snape [19:26] <amyluhu> i kept telling him not to do it because he would get caught. but harry didn't listen [19:26] <fw00per> I was a curious as harry [19:27] <Aislinn> he had done it before, so it didn't surprise me much [19:27] <cbm> I was cringing today when I was listening to it [19:27] <readypc> haha amy [19:27] <SoonerGryffindor> however, I was not in the least bit surprised that he did it [19:27] <CedrellaBlack> oh i was curious...but i still was like you did not need to see that! [19:27] <Aislinn> I was pretty sure he would be caught though, so I was cringing too cbm smile [19:27] <kvermilya91> Although Dumbledore wasn't upset like Snape was... [19:27] <adamgryff> neither was I sooner [19:27] <amyluhu> oh no not surprised sooner [19:27] <tonksista> it was harry trying to play hero thinking that he could find proof that sanpe was helping VM [19:27] *** Narya has quit [Bye] [19:27] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, Harry has made a habit of looking into other people's pensieve puddles. [19:27] <Pleshette> Me too Ais! [19:27] <kvermilya91> Agree much, tonksista [19:27] <CedrellaBlack> he should have minded his business [19:27] <Dreamteam> DD's memories aren't as embarrassing [19:27] <futureweasley> I just knew that Snape, like DD, was going to catch him in the act... [19:27] <fw00per> lol pensieve puddles [19:27] <CedrellaBlack> lolMrMcG [19:27] <SoonerGryffindor> I was thinking about the monkey Curious George and how he always gets in trouble [19:27] <fawkes28> but snape though - DD is one thing - i am surprised harry wasn't more cautious with snape [19:27] <futureweasley> I was worried about Harry's "punishment" [19:28] <DumbleDebbie> lol Sooner [19:28] <Aislinn> Dumbledore had not been upset by it, Mr M, so it is not like he got much in the way of negative consequence for doing it in the past [19:28] <Pleshette> True fawkes [19:28] <bemused> Yes, but Snape!!! [19:28] <amyluhu> true aislinn [19:28] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Harry didn't know how to get out of the Pensieve himself anyway did he? [19:28] <adamgryff> true aislinn [19:28] <HeidiBug> I wasn't surprised that he did it, I expected him to do it. It was just a very bad idea. [19:28] <Aislinn> given their relationship, I can understand his impulse to want to know what snape was hiding from him [19:28] <Pleshette> True Gryffindor, Harry is [19:28] <tonksista> true wagga [19:28] <bemused> That's true, wagga [19:28] <SoonerGryffindor> quite frankly, I would have been a bit scared to just dive into Snape's brain, so really it was a brave thing to do as well [19:28] <fw00per> given his emotions, it made perfect sense [19:28] <nympheart> true sooner [19:28] <amyluhu> dumb had hidden things that he might have told harry in the future anyway. snape never would have told what he hid [19:29] <Aislinn> LOL sooner - harry is nothing if not brave [19:29] <kvermilya91> I think Harry gets so.... strong headed around Snape, it was a sort of.. "take this, snape" and he didn't care so much, as long as he figured out whos side snape was on [19:29] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, but even so, Harry's common sense should have told him that you don't just go looking at memories that someone obviously didn't want you to see. Emmily Post 101 for the wizarding world. [19:29] <Pellinore> also doesn't know how to control the Pensive either. Stop, Fast Forward, Skip to next, reverse.. see it like a dvd player [19:29] <Aislinn> I didn't see it as an attack on snape though, kvermilya [19:29] <Pleshette> I can imagine his curiousity, what motivaties Snape to act the way he does [19:29] <fawkes28> but he knows how snape overreacts sometimes - if i was harry i would be scared of getting caught - but apparently his curiousity got the better of him [19:29] <amyluhu> agree kvern [19:29] <Pleshette> very tempting to have a peekk [19:29] *** Greeneyes15 has joined #lounge [19:29] <kvermilya91> No, not an attack, just sort of.. he wasnt thinking right to make a good judgement [19:29] <tonksista> no way we are talking about harry potter he was looking for something to prove that snape is bad [19:29] <DumbleDebbie> his curiosity very often gets the better of him [19:29] <Dreamteam> always does fawkes [19:29] <Aislinn> yes, pleshette [19:29] <bemused> It seems rather like reading someone's diary - it is an intrusion [19:29] <MrMcGonagall> Harry's not good at resisting strong temptations. [19:30] <cbm> I think he went in because the light reminded him of his dream the night before [19:30] <Aislinn> especially at that point in his life - so much was being kept from him [19:30] <HeidiBug> Harry's always thinking the worst of Snape [19:30] <nympheart> It is inconsiderate at the least to just go searching through someone's memory like that [19:30] <Aislinn> He was very upset by how people kept him in the dark about stuff [19:30] <amyluhu> agreed mrmc [19:30] <tonksista> exactly aislinn [19:30] <Pellinore> Harry doesn't seem to show any fear of Snape.. which i think is very strange given how overbearing, mean and manipulative Snape can be and has been in class [19:30] <fw00per> I don't think Harry thinks of politeness and etiquette when it comes to Snape [19:30] <kvermilya91> I think it is way more personal than a diary, its someone's exact memory... I think Harry couldn't resist something like that [19:30] <OwleryResident> but isn't that what Snape has been doing to Harry - going through his memories during the lesson [19:30] <futureweasley> right Aislinn...if the adults (Snape not excluded) had kept Harry in the know, he might not be as carelessly curious as he is [19:30] <DumbleDebbie> hardly fwooper [19:30] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, they don't exactly have that kind of relationship, fwooper [19:30] <Aislinn> right future [19:31] <amyluhu> harry also shows snape no respect so thatg wasn't standing in the way [19:31] <SoonerGryffindor> Harry finds himself in the middle of the DADA exam and sees his father. What was your impression of James here? [19:31] *** SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] [19:31] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [19:31] <Aislinn> yes, he has been doing it for a LOt of lessons by then owlery [19:31] *** OwleryResident has quit [Bye] [19:31] <DumbleDebbie> wb Sooner [19:31] <HeidiBug> James seemed very laid back [19:31] <MrMcGonagall> Pretty much what we've come to expect of him. Kind of cool to see him "in the flesh" though. [19:31] <cbm> James needed to grow alot [19:31] <fawkes28> Initially, i was surprised we got to see james [19:31] <futureweasley> well, arrogent, good looking...typical teenaged boy. [19:31] <DumbleDebbie> teenager! [19:31] *** kaelgirl has joined #lounge [19:31] <nympheart> I laughed, he seemed like what we had been told [19:31] <fw00per> same here fawkes [19:31] <readypc> he was concieted, but cool someone you wanted to be friends with. [19:31] <Aislinn> He sounded pretty much like I expected him to, given what we had heard upt to that point [19:31] <Greeneyes15> James seemed like a typical 15 year old [19:31] <DumbleDebbie> hi kaelgirl [19:31] <kvermilya91> Agree, MMG [19:32] <Dreamteam> Relaxed, cool, super confident [19:32] <SoonerGryffindor> I have to admit that I was a little taken aback [19:32] <amyluhu> james seemed like a typical popular teen [19:32] <Pellinore> confident, a bit cocky and more part of the "IN" crowd type of guy [19:32] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I'm intrigued at the open way they discussed the werewolf question in the paper. Snape must have heard some of that [19:32] <bemused> In the exam James is OK, but the scene that followed put me off him completely [19:32] <HeidiBug> cocky. That was the word I was looking for. [19:32] *** OwleryResident has joined #lounge [19:32] <fw00per> agree wagga [19:32] <Dreamteam> No, not put off, he just needed to grow up a bit [19:32] <kvermilya91> I kinda got a crush on James.. lol He seems much better (looking etc.) in the books than those rare pictures of him in the movies. [19:32] <DumbleDebbie> wb owlery [19:32] <readypc> no snape was involved in his owl papaer [19:32] *** tonksista has quit [Bye] [19:32] <kvermilya91> *hides face in shame [19:32] *** OwleryResident has quit [Bye] [19:32] <nympheart> me too, wagga, not Snape perhaps, but someone should have heard, especially since they probably did that more than once [19:32] <amyluhu> sure didn't prove he was perfect bemused [19:33] <fawkes28> I think I was looking at it through Harry's eyes - his expectations were so high for his father - it was strange seeing him as a teenager [19:33] <Pellinore> chuckle ;o [19:33] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> It seems he already fancied Lily Evans (James that is) [19:33] *** OwleryResident has joined #lounge [19:33] <Aislinn> yes, fawkes, I was too [19:33] <nympheart> it wasn't that hard to guess who "LE" was smile [19:33] *** tonksista has joined #lounge [19:33] <adamgryff> gtg [19:33] <Dreamteam> Aw James in lurve [19:33] *** Greeneyes15 has quit [Bye] [19:33] <futureweasley> bye Adam [19:33] <DumbleDebbie> wb tonks [19:33] *** adamgryff has quit [Bye] [19:33] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, this was James before his reform. [19:33] <kvermilya91> right, nympheart [19:33] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> bye gryff [19:33] <Aislinn> Harry was so eager for the closer look at James, and I was as curious as he was! [19:33] <readypc> yea at first i was like huh? then i got it. [19:34] *** Greeneyes15 has joined #lounge [19:34] <kvermilya91> I was so glad to have Harry see James, and not base his impression of his father on other people's stories [19:34] <bemused> Yes, I was curious but I really didn't like what we saw [19:34] <amyluhu> maybe we just shouldn't know everything about our parent's past [19:34] <DumbleDebbie> wb greeneyes [19:34] <MrMcGonagall> Me too Aislinn [19:34] <fw00per> yes kver, me too [19:34] *** kaelgirl has quit [Bye] [19:34] <tonksista> i was glad that he found out that his parents were not prefect [19:34] <Greeneyes15> me too [19:34] <tonksista> it make it ok for harry to not be so perfect all the time [19:34] <fw00per> prefects? or perfect [19:35] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> But we do need to see who our parents were. Recognise the makeup, what they believed in etc [19:35] <nympheart> his father anyway, tonks, we still don't know about Lily's flaws [19:35] <tonksista> it made his heors human [19:35] <Pellinore> almost seem like the Captain/Quarterback of the Football team & Captain of the Cheerleader as a US highschool analogy couple Mr. & Mrs. Prom king/queen [19:35] <SoonerGryffindor> What surprised me is that Snape was really ight about James [19:35] <nympheart> yes, he does, Pellinore [19:35] <amyluhu> sure. but i think harry was pretty shocked wag [19:35] <Aislinn> yes, pellinore - it does seem like that [19:35] <fawkes28> me too, sooner [19:35] <readypc> i'm sure james wasn't that mean to everyone. [19:35] <amyluhu> right sooner [19:35] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Sounds like some Aussie cricketers I could mention. [19:35] <bemused> Yes, Sooner [19:35] <Aislinn> we'll get there, ladies [19:35] <kvermilya91> agree, sooner [19:35] <kvermilya91> It was a kick in the face. [19:35] <Dreamteam> But I think Snape exaggerated James's bad points and ignored the good [19:36] <kvermilya91> No one wanted Snape to be right [19:36] <amyluhu> i bet snape was his one outlet for bullying [19:36] *** Greeneyes15 has quit [Bye] [19:36] <nympheart> true, dreamteam [19:36] *** Greeneyes15 has joined #lounge [19:36] <cbm> Snape is rige about a 15 year old james, james probably grew up, I do not think Snape ever did [19:36] <Aislinn> not at this point - all he was doing was doodling at a desk [19:36] <cbm> right [19:36] <SoonerGryffindor> Was it different than the impression you had of him prior to this scene? [19:36] <HeidiBug> Snape just needs so therapy [19:36] <nympheart> yes [19:36] <Dreamteam> No Snape is still stuck in his teenage anger [19:36] <amyluhu> i think lupin said something about that one time cbm [19:36] <kvermilya91> yes, very [19:36] <futureweasley> very much, actually [19:36] <Pellinore> yes, more of a smuck [19:36] <bemused> He may have ignored the good, dreamteam, but I really don't think he did exaggerate [19:36] <tonksista> maybe that memory will come in to play with malfoy and how harry treats him [19:36] <HeidiBug> yeah, it was different [19:36] <fawkes28> Yes, I pictured James as wiser and more mature - even if he was just a teenager [19:36] <DumbleDebbie> yes, prior to this we had a very idealized image of James [19:36] <MrMcGonagall> No, I always thought there was a grain of truth to what Snape said. He only exaggerated. [19:36] <HeidiBug> I expected James to be like Harry [19:36] <DumbleDebbie> I did at least [19:36] <SoonerGryffindor> very, very much. I can now see where Harry gets his personality from-- and it aint James [19:36] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Pensieve true unbiased account. i think we see and hear basically what Snape saw and heard [19:37] <kvermilya91> agree, Debbie [19:37] <amyluhu> yes. this was definitely a point where i realized snape wasn't the only one acting out badly as a teen [19:37] <fawkes28> I pictured him more like Harry's character - i thought Snape was exaggerating about James - so I was quite surprised [19:37] <futureweasley> I imagined James to be like Harry...but young James was almost Draco-esque [19:37] <bemused> There are elements of James in Harry, I think - he's just a lot nicer [19:37] <Aislinn> I thought he would be more like the Weasley twins, given what we heard McGonagall say about James in PoA [19:37] <fw00per> I expected James to be more mature, didn't expect to see vulnerable Snape [19:37] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah. I was expecting someone.... nicer [19:37] <amyluhu> sure aislinn [19:37] <nympheart> yes, future, they did seem switched [19:37] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Yes Snape exaggerated but they were all young animals at that stage. [19:37] <HeidiBug> I was shocked by James teasing Snape when Harry wouldn't do something like that. I expected James to be the same. [19:37] <kvermilya91> I agree, Aislinn [19:37] <cbm> Harry is modest, there is nothing modest about James [19:38] <fawkes28> right cbm [19:38] <Greeneyes15> Me too i pictured james being like harry [19:38] *** Pleshette has quit [Bye] [19:38] <amyluhu> agree cbm [19:38] <fw00per> yes cbm [19:38] <Dreamteam> What we saw is just a snapshot though, I would hate someone to assess my character on a snapshot [19:38] <Pellinore> yea, both James & Harry flaunt authority and seemly fearless to some extent [19:38] <MrMcGonagall> I don't know why, but I didn't expect James to be that much like Harry in the personality department. I always thought Harry as more like Lily in temperament. [19:38] <Aislinn> too right, dreamteam [19:38] <cbm> I agree Dreamteam [19:38] <fawkes28> that is a very good point, dreamteam [19:38] <amyluhu> correct dreamteam [19:38] <SoonerGryffindor> I guess maybe we saw a glimpse of what Harry could have been had he been raised as James was [19:38] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> According to the marauders map exchange they thought Snape was snooping on them [19:38] <bemused> Agree Sooner [19:38] <tonksista> right mr.m [19:38] <nympheart> that makes sense, MrM, but I never saw that before this scene [19:38] <Aislinn> let's not jumpt the gun too far into the memory yet, though - we have lots of questions left [19:38] <Dreamteam> Snoopy Snape [19:39] <SoonerGryffindor> What was your impression of Snape as he bent over his paper? Was it what you expected? [19:39] <kvermilya91> Well, JKR said Harry's Grandparents would be important in the next book [19:39] <HeidiBug> Harry would never do that Malfoy, though [19:39] <DumbleDebbie> yes Sooner, I was thinking of how different their childhoods were [19:39] <MrMcGonagall> Yep. Classic Snape. [19:39] <Pellinore> yes, the greezy git ;o [19:39] <Dreamteam> Hardworking, determined to prove himself [19:39] <readypc> yea, a typical nerd/loner. [19:39] <kvermilya91> Yes, I was thinking he would be extremely studious [19:39] <bemused> Yes, just a younger version [19:39] <SoonerGryffindor> it was very much as I expected [19:39] <fw00per> made perfect sense [19:39] <amyluhu> yes. snape is very studious and smart [19:39] <Aislinn> It was what I expected of him [19:39] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I thought he was reexamining it to see how it fitted Remus Lupin [19:39] <HeidiBug> yeah [19:39] <tonksista> yup dream team [19:39] <DumbleDebbie> lol Wagga [19:39] <SoonerGryffindor> interesting thought wagga [19:39] <Aislinn> he struck me as a guy who would have been an intense type of student [19:39] <fawkes28> Usually we see him as a teacher which means he has to talk about. It was interesting seeing him as a student - very quiet [19:39] <amyluhu> he is a great potions master and dada teacher. [19:39] <fw00per> yes, wagga, he would have known by then, I think [19:40] <futureweasley> studious and detached...grumpy and surly...Snape (in a nutshell). Except now that he's older, you can add Snarky, disrespectful and shifty to his resume [19:40] <Pellinore> hehe, wonder if he knew at that point that remus was a WW or if that part hadn't happened yet [19:40] <HeidiBug> he was very quiet, fawkes [19:40] *** Greeneyes15 has quit [Bye] [19:40] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Or he suspected something odd [19:40] <MrMcGonagall> Everything Lupin said about Snape in PoA was true. And pretty accurate. [19:40] <nympheart> I never saw him as the studious type before [19:40] *** Greeneyes15 has joined #lounge [19:40] <DumbleDebbie> and slimey, and a buly FW [19:40] <cbm> FW, I would also add sadistic [19:40] <bemused> Ouch! I think he was just absorbed in the exam until they attacked him [19:40] <Aislinn> yes Mr M - I find Lupin to be pretty unbiased and fair in the way he describes people and events [19:40] <Dreamteam> He is said to be very intelligent and skilled in Potions so he must have been studious at some point [19:40] <futureweasley> Snape was everything I thought he would be...just in a younger format [19:41] *** Greeneyes15 has quit [Bye] [19:41] <fw00per> I never saw him as the Hermione type - trying to cram so much in - would have thought he'd be a bit more calm [19:41] <nympheart> me too fw00per [19:41] <cbm> I think that he had to know he was following them, or was he following the girls [19:41] <HeidiBug> I disagree Aislinn. I think he's a little biased when he talks about his friends [19:41] <Dreamteam> I think as a Half Blood he really wanted to prove his magical skills [19:41] <DumbleDebbie> that seems to be his insecurity showing fwooper, which he hides better these days [19:41] <amyluhu> disagree fwooper. i think he is a workaholic [19:41] <kvermilya91> I think that's why Snape picks on Hermione. He sees so much of himself in (Snape shudders) a muggleborn [19:41] <readypc> he was probally following lilly. [19:42] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> He hates 'mudbloods' [19:42] <tonksista> ooo good one kvermi [19:42] <fw00per> urgh, kver, never thought of that [19:42] <Dreamteam> He must be a workaholic amy, what else has he got? [19:42] <Aislinn> only if you buy everythint hat snape says heidi [19:42] <fw00per> poor girl [19:42] <HeidiBug> Interesting, Kristin [19:42] <nympheart> i like that kvermilya [19:42] <cbm> I think he picks on Hermione becasue he is sadistic [19:42] <DumbleDebbie> self loathing for him to hate mudbloods [19:42] <Pellinore> yea workaholic or at minimum focused on only learning [19:42] <amyluhu> exactly [19:42] <amyluhu> dream [19:42] <SoonerGryffindor> After the test, we get our first view of the Marauders interacting together. How would you describe the relationship that we see? [19:42] *** memyslfnI has joined #lounge [19:42] <bemused> Worrying... [19:43] <SoonerGryffindor> dysfunctional [19:43] <DumbleDebbie> hi memyslfnI [19:43] <tonksista> i think it remined me alot of the trio [19:43] <Aislinn> I was really glad that we got a chance to see the 4 of them together [19:43] <fw00per> lol sooner, but yes [19:43] <fawkes28> yes, very dysfunctional [19:43] <amyluhu> sounded just like the game on Grease [19:43] <nympheart> pretty much as I imagined [19:43] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> They don't have much respect for Wormtail. Also they used their nicknames fairly openly [19:43] <Dreamteam> Great confidence in each other and relaxed in each other's company [19:43] <kvermilya91> I think it is like a highschool clique, just... I dont know, the popular one. But more laid back. The people you hate to love [19:43] <fawkes28> and they were not at all like the trio [19:43] <cbm> 3 talented wizards and a hanger on [19:43] <MrMcGonagall> Not the healthiest of friendships in several ways. [19:43] <Pellinore> brad pitt, james dean + grounded realist and sycophant [19:43] <readypc> wormtail was like the boy that wanted to fitt in so bad. the tag-a-long [19:43] <DumbleDebbie> the interaction with Peter says a lot [19:43] <Dreamteam> Yeh apart from Wormtail WWW [19:43] <SoonerGryffindor> If we had seen this memory before knowing the truth about Wormtail, it would have given it all away [19:43] <Aislinn> I agree, wagga - there did not seem to be much respect for Peter [19:43] <kvermilya91> yeah Wormtail ruins the picture [19:43] <MrMcGonagall> The Rat Pack! rofl! [19:43] <amyluhu> cool good looking popular letting the uncool hang with him [19:43] <HeidiBug> They seem to be a unit, like the trio. [19:44] <Dreamteam> LOL Mr McG [19:44] <memyslfnI> He boosted their ego..That is why I thought they kept him around [19:44] <tonksista> the trio + nevill [19:44] <Aislinn> I don't think the rat is blameless in the way he turned out, or in the way he is treated by the rest though [19:44] <SoonerGryffindor> nonono [19:44] <futureweasley> it's like if Draco, Ernie McMillan, Justin Fletch-Flannery and Neville were all hanging out...it's an odd coupling [19:44] <readypc> i love that lupin ignores what their doing. [19:44] *** CedrellaBlack has quit [Bye] [19:44] <DumbleDebbie> not neville [19:44] <SoonerGryffindor> Peter is NOTHING like Neville [19:44] <fawkes28> They treated Peter very poorly [19:44] <nympheart> not neville [19:44] <amyluhu> ha ha future [19:44] <tonksista> no but think about it [19:44] <Aislinn> nothing like neville [19:44] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, Neville isn't a sycophant. [19:44] <fw00per> all popular kids have their followers [19:44] <Aislinn> not even a little bit [19:44] <DumbleDebbie> Neville is the bravest person in the story. [19:44] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Remus Lupin nervous about people finding out about his werewolf condition. [19:44] <Aislinn> right Mr M [19:44] <Pellinore> neville doesn't seem at all clingy or scyphantic [19:44] <kvermilya91> you like that word, Mr M [19:44] <Dreamteam> Nevile is respected [19:44] <fawkes28> Lupin always was on the quiet side but it is interesting to see how he didn't do the right thing when we loved him so much as a teacher [19:44] <fw00per> I don't see Neville as a follower [19:44] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> James and Sirius not taking enough care about it [19:44] <tonksista> until the end of there frist year i think the tiro though of nevillle alot like they think of wormtial [19:44] <DumbleDebbie> Peter let his friends be murdered to save his own skin [19:45] <tonksista> they take pitty on him [19:45] <HeidiBug> They were tipical teenagers. I'm sure they didn't mean to treat Peter badly. They thought they were just joking around. [19:45] <bemused> Rats, can't keep awake any longer - goodnight all! [19:45] <tonksista> till he proved him self [19:45] *** bemused left #lounge [] [19:45] <cbm> It is more like one of the creevey brothers being in Harry's year [19:45] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Night! [19:45] <Aislinn> yes, Heidi - it was just a group that hangs out together all the time, and are very comfortable with each other [19:45] <kvermilya91> I think Lupin sees what is "the right thing" from a more long-term point of view [19:45] <Dreamteam> Night WWW [19:45] <amyluhu> but i bet even the creevys will show bravery in book 7 cbm [19:45] <Aislinn> they don't think about what they are saying - it just comes out in a careless and teenaged manner [19:45] <fw00per> lupin has all the makings of a future teacher This post has been edited by fawkes28: Jan 3 2007, 09:34 PM |
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[19:45] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> no I'm not going. bemused did
[19:45] <fawkes28> No - Peter was their friend - that is not a normal way to treat friends [19:45] <DumbleDebbie> Harry told Neville he was worth 12 of Malfoy long before Neville 'proved' himself [19:46] <Dreamteam> LOL WWW welcome back smile [19:46] <amyluhu> yes he did dumble debbie [19:46] <kvermilya91> but fawkes, I think peter was the runt of the group. he was tolerated.... [19:46] <HeidiBug> My brother treats his friends that way. [19:46] <SoonerGryffindor> well, its obvious that James and Sirius were very much lacking in tact sometmes [19:46] <kvermilya91> ha Heidi [19:46] <tonksista> well is is [19:46] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> laugh [19:46] <tonksista> lol [19:46] <cbm> tact is something that comes with age [19:46] <nympheart> a lot of teenagers are, sooner [19:46] <fawkes28> He really was made out to be the joke of their group - they were teasing him because they could [19:46] <amyluhu> very much so sooner [19:46] <HeidiBug> I've talked to him about it. I've told him that it's mean. And he says "I was just joking around. The guys know I wasn't serious." [19:47] <readypc> but every group of friends tease each other its normal [19:47] <Dreamteam> I think Lupin didn't want to risk losing James and Sirius's approval, so ignored the bullying [19:47] <kvermilya91> Heidi, was that at the Christmas party? [19:47] <kvermilya91> lol [19:47] <Pellinore> er, tact is from wisdom & maturity.. usually gained with age but i know of kids with more tact then some co-workers ;o [19:47] <HeidiBug> I think it's the same with how they treated Peter. [19:47] <DumbleDebbie> lol Pellinore [19:47] <nympheart> yes, dreamteam, having friends meant more to him then how they treated others [19:47] <DumbleDebbie> maturity is not chronological [19:47] <Aislinn> yes, readypic [19:47] <fw00per> I think maturity also relates a bit to self-esteem [19:47] <SoonerGryffindor> Were you surprised by the interaction between them? [19:47] <Aislinn> it is a normal part of being a teenaged boy [19:47] <Dreamteam> Very true Debbie [19:48] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Fine line between joking around and real harm. Humour sometimes cruel [19:48] <HeidiBug> I wasn't surprised. [19:48] <amyluhu> not at all sooner [19:48] <nympheart> not at all [19:48] <kvermilya91> I think it was just...imature teenager-hood [19:48] <tonksista> nope [19:48] <DumbleDebbie> yes, I was shocked at how pooly they treated Peter [19:48] <Dreamteam> No, [19:48] <SoonerGryffindor> I was surprised (and a little disappiinted) by Lupin [19:48] <Aislinn> I think we had heard enough hints from PoA, that their interactions seemed consistent [19:48] <cbm> No, it just confirmed what we knew about the relationships [19:48] <HeidiBug> They didn't realize the humour was cruel when the said it, wagga [19:48] <fw00per> I also was surprised a bit by lupin [19:48] <futureweasley> it was truly bizarre to see them all together...and friends [19:48] <MrMcGonagall> This is what I had more or less believed their relationship to be from what I gleaned in PoA. [19:48] <tonksista> dumble are you a hufflepuff [19:48] <nympheart> it seemed a lot like how McGonagall described them [19:48] <memyslfnI> Lupin valued their friendship..He knew the risks they took to be his riend, what they looked past. Lupin probably stayed quiet because of this..He knew the risk they took [19:48] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Remus grateful but were they doing enough to preserve his cover? [19:48] <futureweasley> I was too, fw00per [19:48] *** fifth_marouder has joined #lounge [19:48] <Pellinore> i was surprised at how James Deanish Sirius came off as.. more of a loaner then how i would have imagined him. [19:49] <DumbleDebbie> hi fifth [19:49] <fifth_marouder> Hi people [19:49] <readypc> not really, i always saw them that way sirius and james best friends and lupin shy, and not exactly approving of what sirius and james did and then ther is wormtail theere is wormtail the little boy that tags along [19:49] <futureweasley> the fact that Lupin just kind of stood back was very bizarre and un Lupin like to me [19:49] <DumbleDebbie> Gryffindor tonksista (but a close mix of G, R, H) [19:49] <tonksista> lol [19:49] *** nympheart left #lounge [] [19:49] <Aislinn> that didn't surprise me, pellinore, given what we learn of his childhood [19:49] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I thought he came across as more sensible than I thought he had been so far [19:49] <HeidiBug> Remus stayed quiet because he was afraid to say anything. Jo said he gave his friends a lot of slack because he wants people to like him. [19:49] <Pellinore> takes courage to stand up to your friends ;) [19:49] <Dreamteam> As a young Lupin I don't think he would have had the confidence to stand up to James and Sirius [19:50] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Sirius I meant [19:50] <amyluhu> lupin was always appreciative at how the others supporting him. i don';t know that he would risk harming that relationship by correcting them [19:50] <SoonerGryffindor> What was your impression of James' role within the group? [19:50] <fw00per> maybe lupin had been worn down by how often they behaved this way [19:50] <kvermilya91> Heidi, that was also mentioned in the book, too [19:50] <DumbleDebbie> clearly he was the ringleader [19:50] <fawkes28> James was the leader [19:50] <fifth_marouder> I'm not surprised how he acted [19:50] <cbm> James was the leader [19:50] <Dreamteam> Leader of the pack [19:50] <SoonerGryffindor> I am actually surprised by that [19:50] <amyluhu> leader as i guessed [19:50] <HeidiBug> James and Sirius were leaders [19:50] <MrMcGonagall> I agree Dreamtema [19:50] <Aislinn> yes, he did seem to be leader [19:50] <futureweasley> lol Dream...my thoughts exactly [19:50] <SoonerGryffindor> I would have figured Sirius would have been the leader [19:50] <kvermilya91> leader, definitely, but I think Sirius was close close second [19:50] <readypc> yea me to sooner [19:50] *** Greeneyes15 has joined #lounge [19:50] <fifth_marouder> Leader sort of kinda like fred in fred and george [19:50] <fw00per> i see Sirius as the reckless wingman [19:50] <SoonerGryffindor> its nice to see how close they were [19:50] <memyslfnI> He was reckless and he fed off of sirius. [19:50] <HeidiBug> Sirius and James seemed to operate as one, like brothers [19:50] <amyluhu> but he always wanted to entertain sirius [19:50] <fifth_marouder> Hi green eyes [19:50] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> No not really. I think Sirius more of a leader. James did things because Sirius bored [19:51] <fawkes28> James knew that he had that power too - and used it to his advantage [19:51] <memyslfnI> sirius fed off of James as well [19:51] <Aislinn> I wasn't surprised, as sirius seemed to really look up to James [19:51] * DumbleDebbie is now hearing motorcycle engine noises thanks to Dreamteam and FW [19:51] <SoonerGryffindor> seemed like they did wind each other up, didnt they? [19:51] <Greeneyes15> what are we talking about now? [19:51] <memyslfnI> they were equals [19:51] <MrMcGonagall> I think James had a little more charm than Sirius. [19:51] <amyluhu> yep sooner [19:51] <Dreamteam> LOL Debbie [19:51] <Aislinn> yes, Mr M [19:51] <fw00per> yes Mr MG [19:51] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Sirius told James to stop fooling around with snitch before Wormtail wet himself [19:51] <Aislinn> He was raised by a nicer family, and had more social graces [19:51] *** tonksista has quit [Bye] [19:51] *** Pleshette has joined #lounge [19:51] <memyslfnI> lol WWW! [19:51] <amyluhu> true mrmc but james had a better family for an example [19:51] <MrMcGonagall> Sirius is a bit more the bad boy, James the talented class clown. [19:51] <DumbleDebbie> wb Pleshette [19:51] <SoonerGryffindor> It does seem as if Sirius was the only one that had control over James [19:51] <memyslfnI> I agree Sooner! [19:51] <Pleshette> smile [19:51] <MrMcGonagall> True, amyluhu [19:52] <Aislinn> exactly [19:52] <Dreamteam> James and Sirius were like brothers, a double act [19:52] <readypc> yea pretty much [19:52] <kvermilya91> I think Sirius nonchalantly put James back in line [19:52] <fw00per> and vice versa sooner [19:52] <SoonerGryffindor> What was your impression of Lupin's role within the group? [19:52] <amyluhu> true sooner. i bet lupin could if he tried though [19:52] <memyslfnI> Whhen James died, a part of Sirius died as well [19:52] <fawkes28> lupin liked to keep peace [19:52] <Aislinn> Lupin was the quiet one of the group [19:52] <DumbleDebbie> he seemed more detatched from James and Sirius than I would have thought he was [19:52] <readypc> yea fawkes [19:52] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Remus just went along with things. [19:52] <fawkes28> but he also avoided his friends when he knew they were doing something wrong [19:52] <Dreamteam> Lupin was a steadying force when he could bring himself to do it [19:52] <fifth_marouder> Seemed kind of a laid back not wanting to get involved [19:52] <fw00per> peacemaker, keep your nose clean [19:52] <amyluhu> voice of reason. homework helper, loyal to all 3 others [19:52] <HeidiBug> Lupin tried to keep peace . . . I don't think he did it very well [19:52] <Pellinore> Lupin seemed like a 3rd wheel at that stage, [19:52] <SoonerGryffindor> I was disappointed. I think that had he been like Neville and stood up to his friends, things may have gone better [19:52] <futureweasley> Lupin seemed to be the "go with the flow" one [19:52] <Aislinn> He was just happy that he had people who were willing to be his friends [19:52] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, Lupin was the peacemaker. [19:52] <Pleshette> Seemed to not want to make waves [19:53] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Kept reading throughout incident [19:53] <HeidiBug> He wasn't able to stand up to his friends [19:53] <cbm> It is hard to say from this, I would like to know what he was like with just the 4 of them [19:53] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Sooner [19:53] <fawkes28> exactly sooner - he did not stand up to his friends [19:53] <memyslfnI> Lupin was the level headed one. the one who kept order when he could..the voice of reason [19:53] <kvermilya91> We sort of went over this already, I agree with Heidi [19:53] <fw00per> he's a bit like Hermione [19:53] <Greeneyes15> i agree [19:53] <fawkes28> Lupin was the calm in the mist of the storm [19:53] <Dreamteam> Lupin had been rejected too much to want to risk it if he could avoid it [19:53] <cbm> He was a prefect, so maybe that kept him from being involved [19:53] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Lupin a much less assertive version of Hermione? [19:53] <Pellinore> Do we know if Sirius was staying with James at this point in the story line? [19:53] <memyslfnI> yes, WWW [19:53] <fw00per> yes wagga [19:53] <Dreamteam> Yes, good one WWW [19:54] <SoonerGryffindor> Lupin sat with his head behind his book, a frown on his face. Should he have tried to stop his friends from doing what they did? [19:54] <Greeneyes15> yeah www [19:54] <Dreamteam> Yes [19:54] <DumbleDebbie> yes [19:54] <fw00per> yes sooner [19:54] <cbm> yes [19:54] <SoonerGryffindor> yes [19:54] <HeidiBug> yeah, he should have done something [19:54] <Greeneyes15> yeah [19:54] <amyluhu> yes when it became dangerous at least [19:54] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, without a doubt. [19:54] <HeidiBug> No one deserves to be treated the way Snape was [19:54] <kvermilya91> to a certain extent [19:54] <Pleshette> He should have [19:54] <Greeneyes15> he knew they'de start somthing [19:54] <fawkes28> Yes, but I think he cared more about what his friends thought than about what was right [19:54] <SoonerGryffindor> Maybe this is one of the reasons why Snape has such a grudge against him [19:54] <fifth_marouder> Probably but I kinda relate to Lupin and understand why I didn't [19:54] <Greeneyes15> maybe [19:54] <kvermilya91> inaction was the worst possible action [19:54] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> No, I think that came later. Sirius was 16 when he left home. Might be right after SWM [19:54] <fw00per> he seemed to not want to acknowledge that it was happening [19:54] <amyluhu> he was never going to stop the war between them, but he should stop danger [19:54] <futureweasley> Lupin was not in a position to tell anyone to back down [19:54] <Dreamteam> I think so Sooner [19:54] <cbm> He should of stopped it as soon as wands were drawn [19:54] <Aislinn> me too, fifth [19:54] <readypc> he just wants friends. [19:55] <SoonerGryffindor> yes he was future. You always have a choice [19:55] <MrMcGonagall> It seems to me this was a pattern that never changed with Lupin. [19:55] <Dreamteam> Maybe he was made prefect to build his confidence [19:55] <SoonerGryffindor> He could have chosen to stand up to his friends [19:55] <fawkes28> too true, mr. m [19:55] <readypc> it's like ron with fred and george [19:55] <kvermilya91> I agree, ready [19:55] <MrMcGonagall> He's a prefect, for crying out loud. [19:55] <DumbleDebbie> lol Mr M [19:55] <futureweasley> choice, yes...but Lupin was not going to make the only friends he had in the world upset over the likes of Snape [19:55] <kvermilya91> Yeah, but look at Ron, he was a prefect [19:55] <Aislinn> He was a damaged person who still couldn't quite believe that anyone would be his friend, and standing up to those friends was something I think he would have been very reluctant to do [19:55] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> How old were they all at that stage? Remember all of them had to be aged 11 by Sept 1st in their first year. [19:55] <Pleshette> Right Sooner I agree [19:55] <amyluhu> agree future [19:55] <futureweasley> Lupin = Ron is anyone [19:55] <fawkes28> Yes, he should have accepted the responsibility of his job [19:56] <Pleshette> It reminds me of Neville and how he stood up to the trio in PS [19:56] <Aislinn> pfft to prefect [19:56] <HeidiBug> I think now that he's older, if the he go back, he would have stood up to him, but he just couldn't do it when he was younger. He had to grow up a bit. [19:56] <SoonerGryffindor> I think we have seen Lupin punish himself for that [19:56] <MrMcGonagall> The fact that Ron shares a flaw doesn't make Lupin less flawed. [19:56] <futureweasley> and James and Sirius were his Fred and George [19:56] <Pellinore> I think at this stage Lupin was very happy that his friends went though so much so they could run around with him as Animagi that he may have felt he(lupin) owed his friends to a point so wouldn't make waves to make them mad. [19:56] <Aislinn> hwo much does Ron do in that role? [19:56] <SoonerGryffindor> exactly my point Pleshette [19:56] * HeidiBug can't spell [19:56] <futureweasley> not a thing Aislinn [19:56] <amyluhu> yes and he stood up the siruis as an adult [19:56] <kvermilya91> agree much, Heidi [19:56] <Aislinn> yes, heidi, I agree with that [19:56] <cbm> Ron only does as much as Hermione makes him do [19:56] <memyslfnI> the history of the anamosity between Snape and his friend and the maurauders was bad. they "hexed each other at every chance" I bet that Lupin kept things from getting out of control, so while he did not approve of the altercation between James and Snape, Thre could have been incidents that preceeded this one. [19:56] <MrMcGonagall> He's not a great prefect. I think Lupin probably was a good prefect, except when it came to standing up to his friends. [19:57] <fawkes28> Perhaps Lupin didn't want to be left alone in the shack every month so he kept his mouth shut so they would keep coming [19:57] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it goes to show that Lupin is not perfect [19:57] <Pleshette> I think Lupin didn't want to cause trouble because these friends accepted him as he was..a werewolf [19:57] <kvermilya91> I dont think they would stop because of that [19:57] <amyluhu> yes fawkes [19:57] <fawkes28> Lupin seems like he didn't have friends before this because he was a werewolf [19:57] <Pleshette> He didn't want to lose them. [19:57] <Pellinore> they were taking O.W.L.s so that would be 5th year and make them 14/15. [19:57] <Aislinn> right - he is not perfect, but he is also not responsible for his friend's actions - THEY are [19:57] <fawkes28> he didn't want to jepordize it [19:57] <fw00per> yes, Mr MG [19:57] <futureweasley> that's exactly my point, Pleshette...he didn't feel like he was in a position to stop them [19:57] <SoonerGryffindor> funny how he and sirius looked back on those days and admitted how wrong they were [19:57] <fw00per> he didn't have confidence in himself yet [19:57] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> but later on, when Harry went into Filch's files, Lupin & Wormtail not always there [19:57] <memyslfnI> yes sooner! [19:57] <cbm> I also get the impression that 5th year prefects do not have much authority with the older years [19:57] <kvermilya91> I think Lupin Sirius and James were good enough friends that they all could trust each other. I think it was more of Lupin just didn't have the stamina to chance anything [19:57] <SoonerGryffindor> they were both embarassed [19:57] <Aislinn> they are old enough to know better - why is it his job to keep them in line? [19:57] <HeidiBug> I don't know if they would have stopped with Lupin had said something, but he still should have said something [19:58] <Aislinn> especially in the middle of a confrontation [19:58] <fawkes28> because his friends crossed a line with snape [19:58] <Pleshette> True future, but he still had the choice..and maybe they would have listened to him [19:58] <MrMcGonagall> Because he's a prefect, Aislinn. That's what they do. [19:58] <kvermilya91> They may have shrugged Lupin off anyway [19:58] <SoonerGryffindor> still Aislinn. If I see my friends making jerks out of themselves and being mean to someone else in the process, I am going to say something [19:58] <fawkes28> He knew that but yet he didn't say anything [19:58] *** hrh7 has joined #lounge [19:58] <memyslfnI> But Snape crossed it as well. Lupin says this [19:58] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Because he would have been the eldest? Lupin's birthday in March [19:58] <futureweasley> DD even says later that he thought Lupin would have done a better job with James and Sirius than he actually did [19:58] <fw00per> I think they respected Lupin enough to fall in line if he said something [19:58] <Aislinn> and we don't know that he doesn't say stuff to them outside of this memory [19:58] <Pleshette> I wouldn't call it keeping them in line...more like standing up for what is right and saying something [19:58] <futureweasley> and Lupin is embarassed by that remark [19:58] <fifth_marouder> DD makes mistakes [19:59] <Aislinn> no, lupin says that future [19:59] <fawkes28> well, lupin didn't say anything to Snape either and Lupin's friends were the ones who started it [19:59] <DumbleDebbie> hi hrh7 [19:59] <Aislinn> he acknowledges that he could have done more [19:59] <SoonerGryffindor> I think we can assume from Lupin's remarks about it that he didnt ever stand up to them' [19:59] <kvermilya91> The big point is, it was ONE memory. ONE example [19:59] <MrMcGonagall> Even Lupin says the principal reason he was probably made a prefect was to keep Sirius and James in line, and he never did do that. [19:59] <memyslfnI> exactly Aislinn, when harry questions Lupin he explains that Snape hexed James just as much [19:59] <Dreamteam> Maybe he felt it was better to ignore their rule breaking than to risk them ignoring his 'authority' [19:59] <HeidiBug> whether Snape crossed a line or not, he still didn't deserve to be treated like that [19:59] <fifth_marouder> I got to go [19:59] *** fifth_marouder has quit [Bye] [19:59] <Aislinn> right me [19:59] <memyslfnI> but James was head boy? Why not Lupin? [19:59] <fawkes28> yes, heidi [19:59] <memyslfnI> Because of his actions in the shack to save Snape? [19:59] <Pellinore> but Lupin would have been outnumbered 2 maybe 3 to 1 most of the time.. that takes guts or a possition that the other friends some how need you. especially at age 15. [20:00] <Aislinn> it is not up to lupin to stop it - it is up to sirius and james not to act that way [20:00] <kvermilya91> James I think got a lot more mature after 5th year. [20:00] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> can't have an out-of-control werewolf as head boy? [20:00] <SoonerGryffindor> What was your impression of Sirius' role within the group? [20:00] <Aislinn> yes, pellinore - that is a very tough thing to do [20:00] <MrMcGonagall> partner in crime [20:00] <SoonerGryffindor> He was the James Dean of the group [20:00] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [20:00] <amyluhu> clown [20:00] <Pellinore> trouble maker and chick magnet ;) [20:00] <fw00per> instigator [20:00] <HeidiBug> He kind of pulls James's strings a bit [20:00] <Dreamteam> Perhaps he was too shy, and missing for a few nights each month [20:00] <Aislinn> In fact, dumbledore points out just how difficult it is, when he awards Neville the points at the end of PS [20:00] <fawkes28> he was the George [20:00] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I think that for some reason he hated Snape more than the others [20:00] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that is because of his family wagga [20:00] <MrMcGonagall> likes to egg people on [20:00] *** Greeneyes15 has quit [Bye] [20:00] <SoonerGryffindor> and I think you are right about that [20:00] <memyslfnI> but WWW, I don't think DD would have cared..Lupin up to that point, took his potion like a good little werewolf. he never showed any signs of a problem [20:01] *** futureweasley has quit [Bye] [20:01] <fawkes28> he does like to do that, Mr. M [20:01] <fw00per> snape reminded him of his family, probably [20:01] <Aislinn> its easy for people to judge it, when they are not the ones int eh situation [20:01] <DumbleDebbie> he defintitely has issues with Slytherins Wagga, look at his family [20:01] <readypc> yea [20:01] <SoonerGryffindor> To me, Sirius seems like the guy who had the ideas and James followed up on them [20:01] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> No there wasn't any potion at that point. Why they had the Shrieking Shack [20:01] <fawkes28> Sirius played very well off of James - they definitely were very similar - they could have been brothers [20:01] <kvermilya91> pretty much everyone has problems with slytherins [20:01] <Dreamteam> Sirius was the joker and chief risk taker. He was probably the one who proposed a lot of their pranks. [20:01] <HeidiBug> I think there was more hate between Snape and Sirius, than James [20:02] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [20:02] <DumbleDebbie> he also seems more reckless sometimes [20:02] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [20:02] <fawkes28> Sirius was the one who said he was bored [20:02] <memyslfnI> look t all the spells Snape invented, doesn't anyone think he used them on the maurauders? [20:02] <kvermilya91> agree, Heidi. to an extent [20:02] <DumbleDebbie> wb Aislinn [20:02] <Aislinn> wasn't really gone debbie [20:02] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> That's right. Sirius did things because the risk is what made them fun [20:02] <kvermilya91> He hated Sirius, he was indebted to James [20:02] <amyluhu> sure he did mem [20:02] <cbm> We do not know if snape has invented any spells at this point [20:02] <fw00per> he used sectusempra on James, me [20:02] <SoonerGryffindor> What was your impression of Peter's role within the group? [20:03] <Pellinore> one would think that Snape used the Levicorpus on the 4 at some point as James used it on him and snape invented it [20:03] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I wonder when exactly he developed those spells? [20:03] <amyluhu> tagalong [20:03] <DumbleDebbie> saw the "joined" thing Aislinn sorry [20:03] <Aislinn> Peter seems to me to be a hanger - on in the group [20:03] <cbm> the hanger on [20:03] <memyslfnI> exactly, very damaging spells. [20:03] <Pellinore> Peter = ego boster for the Alpha males [20:03] <fawkes28> Oh, he was just like i pictured him [20:03] <fw00per> lol pell [20:03] <HeidiBug> Peter seemed to go along with whatever was happening [20:03] <SoonerGryffindor> his role was absolutely disturbing [20:03] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Lupin said that at that point it was already a popular & well used spell - Levicorpus that is [20:03] *** OwleryResident has quit [Bye] [20:03] <SoonerGryffindor> that James and Sirius would allow that is what is the most disturbing about it [20:03] <memyslfnI> Snape was no angel is my point...it was an eye for an eye [20:03] <fawkes28> He was the outside and seemed to be getting too much pleasure from being on the side with the power [20:04] <DumbleDebbie> disturbing is a good word Sooner [20:04] <Dreamteam> Yes Peter was very much a follower [20:04] <SoonerGryffindor> You can see in CoS how Harry cant stand the fact that Colin hero-worships hiim [20:04] <amyluhu> true fawkes and he still is [20:04] <readypc> peter was just kinda there [20:04] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> almost sadistically watching to see the 'fun' [20:04] <Aislinn> It sounds like they were worshipped by a lot of folks int he school [20:04] <memyslfnI> he "wormed" his way in to the group [20:04] <fawkes28> very true, wagga [20:04] <Aislinn> Peter was the closest and most frequent though [20:04] <Dreamteam> Hadn't thought about that Sooner, so just the opposite of his dad [20:04] <amyluhu> ha ha mem [20:04] <fw00per> Peter wants to be cool [20:04] <fawkes28> It is amazing how well Jo characterized him in this scene [20:05] <amyluhu> oooh sooner [20:05] <fawkes28> He was the one that I was least surprised about [20:05] <fw00per> same here, fawkes [20:05] <SoonerGryffindor> We see Snape off by himself, reviewing his test. Were you surprised by this view? [20:05] <DumbleDebbie> nope [20:05] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I wonder if Peter's presence was what made Snape put the memory in the pensieve? You know. Not giving too much away to the other side? [20:05] <cbm> No [20:05] <Dreamteam> No, he wants 110% [20:05] <Aislinn> nope - he seems like a loner as an adult [20:05] <readypc> no, i always pictured him as having no friends [20:05] <fw00per> nope, Snape has no friends [20:05] <amyluhu> i guess not. i thought he would be a loner [20:06] <Aislinn> and very intense - seems the same in the memory [20:06] <SoonerGryffindor> not surprising at all, but then again of all the people in this scene, he is the one we see most as an adult [20:06] <fawkes28> I think I was surprised that he was analyzing the test so much - he doesnt seem to worry as an adult - it was interesting watching that behavior [20:06] <memyslfnI> always on guard [20:06] <fw00per> Snape has never reached out to anybody for support as a friend [20:06] <amyluhu> yes sooner we know the most about him [20:06] <Pellinore> very studious... kinda expect that from a future teacher [20:06] <fw00per> yes fawkes [20:06] <MrMcGonagall> No, again it's classic Snape. [20:06] <memyslfnI> the same as Tom Riddler fwOOper [20:06] <fawkes28> He definitely shows more emotional back then - it is interesting how much that part of him has changed [20:06] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Reviewing the werewolf question. No wonder after exam [20:06] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it goes to show that he has some Hermione qualities to him [20:07] <fw00per> good connection me [20:07] <cbm> Was he analyzing the test? It looked that way, but I think he may of been following someone down to the lake and was observing them discreetly [20:07] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Already learning to be a good spy [20:07] <MrMcGonagall> And this was his favorite subject in the OWL. That interested me. [20:07] <memyslfnI> I agree cbm... [20:07] <HeidiBug> Didn't Lupin say Snape had a group of friends who were all into the Dark Arts? They obviously weren't real friends [20:07] <Dreamteam> Ah Sneaky Snape then [20:07] <SoonerGryffindor> hmmm, I always thought he was only examining his test. Otherwise he would not have been cuaght by surprise, I think [20:07] <Aislinn> yes, heidi - Lupin did say that [20:07] <memyslfnI> Maybe he was looking for the opportune moment to hexx them or he might have had suspicions about Lupin already [20:07] <Dreamteam> I wonder whether he was in contact with future DEs then? [20:08] <cbm> He could of been watching the the girls or even lily [20:08] <memyslfnI> they were all the things teh maurauders hated... [20:08] <HeidiBug> following someone? . . . Lily, perhaps? [20:08] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> No that was Sirius [20:08] <readypc> wromtail? [20:08] <Dreamteam> Some of them would have been at Hogwarts at the same time [20:08] <Aislinn> I think he definitely hung around with that crowd dreamteam [20:08] <fawkes28> I think he was examining the test - he didnt seem to care that the 4 of them were there [20:08] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> who said about the group and the dark arts. [20:08] <fw00per> I think he was just reviewing his paper [20:08] <memyslfnI> two rival factions..Like Harry and Draco.. [20:08] <kvermilya91> good one, Heidi [20:08] <Aislinn> lupin did, wagga [20:08] <SoonerGryffindor> I get the impression that Snape was not interested by the girls by the lake. I really think his paper was the most interesting thing to him at that moment [20:08] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Aislinn and Dreamteam. I think it was a group formed more by common interest and convictions than real friendship. [20:08] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [20:08] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> where? [20:09] <Aislinn> I agree sooner [20:09] <DumbleDebbie> wb HF [20:09] <MrMcGonagall> But why go review it at the lake, Sooner? [20:09] <fw00per> agree sooner, he didn't learn to multitask until later [20:09] <harryfreak359> Thanks smile [20:09] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> In POA? [20:09] <SoonerGryffindor> maybe it was a nice day? [20:09] <harryfreak359> What question are we on? [20:09] <MrMcGonagall> Yeah, Snape loves sunshine. [20:09] <amyluhu> agree siiber [20:09] <memyslfnI> He might have thought he was safe in a crowd.. [20:09] <Aislinn> LOL [20:09] <MrMcGonagall> And butterflies. [20:09] <harryfreak359> lol Mr.M [20:09] <readypc> haha [20:09] <harryfreak359> LOL [20:09] <HeidiBug> lol [20:09] <SoonerGryffindor> repeat of question: We see Snape off by himself, reviewing his test. Were you surprised by this view? [20:09] <DumbleDebbie> LOL Mr M, I was thinking that. Working on his tan? [20:09] <fawkes28> maybe he wanted fresh air [20:09] <fw00per> funny [20:09] <kvermilya91> Snape sings.. *this little light of mine..I'm gonna let it shine* [20:09] <MrMcGonagall> And Squiddy. [20:09] <cbm> no [20:09] <harryfreak359> No, actually i wasn't...he was checking his paper. [20:09] <HeidiBug> lol [20:10] <Dreamteam> LOL kver [20:10] <fw00per> hurt ribs from laughing kver [20:10] <fawkes28> I am sure that he had been studying for exams indoors - everyone needs fresh air [20:10] <kvermilya91> =) [20:10] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> He was behind some bushes. Marauders seem unaware of him until he got up [20:10] <MrMcGonagall> He seems absorbed in his paper, but is he? [20:10] <harryfreak359> Yes, Fawkes I agree [20:10] <memyslfnI> I think he was stupid to be a target. THERE IS MUCH ANAMOSITY BETWEEN sNAPE AND jAMES AND HE SET HIMSELF UP [20:10] <fawkes28> yes, he is [20:10] <MrMcGonagall> For heaven's sake, he just answered all those questions. [20:10] <memyslfnI> oops cap lock! [20:10] <HeidiBug> I think he was looking at his paper [20:10] <memyslfnI> oops cap lock [20:10] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Nope. Anticipated trouble. Drew his wand [20:10] <Aislinn> smile [20:10] <fw00per> maybe it was close to lunchtime and they were about to go back in the great hall - closer than the dungeons [20:10] <fawkes28> so..i used to analyze if i got questions right [20:10] <cbm> By the description of Snape, this sounds like the first time he has been outside in years [20:10] <harryfreak359> I would review them too [20:11] * harryfreak359 is a perfectionist [20:11] <memyslfnI> then why walk into trouble? [20:11] <fawkes28> people do that - worry about tests after they took them - hermione [20:11] <harryfreak359> I most certainly do [20:11] <kvermilya91> he was too preocupied to realize he was 'walking into trouble' [20:11] <Aislinn> that's a good point Mr M - Harry was so focused on his father, that we don't have a close view of how involved inthe questions snape really was [20:11] <memyslfnI> did he want a confromtation against the four of them when he was alone? [20:11] <SoonerGryffindor> James notices Snape getting up to leave, and points him out to Sirius. Snape's reaction to being called to by James is to attempt to whip out his wand. What does this suggest about the history between them? [20:11] <HeidiBug> I'd go over my questions. I'd understand why Snape would [20:11] <cbm> I think Snape probably thought he could take them [20:11] <harryfreak359> Ehhh...not friendly [20:11] <kvermilya91> That they really did not enjoy each other over for tea [20:12] <readypc> They tend to fight. [20:12] <fw00per> defensive tactics [20:12] <memyslfnI> they fight at every chance they get! [20:12] <amyluhu> always fighting so snape is always prepared [20:12] <DumbleDebbie> a wee bit of animosity there? [20:12] <SoonerGryffindor> Seems like this is definitely not the frist time this has happened [20:12] *** CarpeDiem has joined #lounge [20:12] <HeidiBug> Snape's used to beng attacked [20:12] <memyslfnI> Lupin says this is the case [20:12] <readypc> boys... haha [20:12] <Dreamteam> Experience taught them to be alert, see each other and get out their wands [20:12] <DumbleDebbie> hi CD [20:12] <SoonerGryffindor> hey CD [20:12] <harryfreak359> I think the Snape was used to James picking on him [20:12] <memyslfnI> when eplaining this to harry [20:12] <harryfreak359> Hey carpe! [20:12] <Pleshette> Snape anticipating trouble [20:12] <fw00per> he's probably been caught unawares before [20:12] <CarpeDiem> Hi all! [20:12] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> no I wouldnt. Not when it is my best subject and I know what I wrote [20:12] <MrMcGonagall> Loooong history of jinxing one another in the hallways. [20:12] <harryfreak359> Yes, I'd agree [20:12] <memyslfnI> exactly Mr M. [20:12] <SoonerGryffindor> no wonder Snape was so good at DADA [20:12] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [20:12] *** potter_cast_listener has joined #lounge [20:12] *** cbm has joined #lounge [20:13] <DumbleDebbie> hi PCL [20:13] <MrMcGonagall> Awww, poor Snapey. [20:13] <memyslfnI> snape is not the innocent..I bet he hexed them when their back was turned [20:13] <fawkes28> they are definitely similar to draco and haryry [20:13] <harryfreak359> Yes, Sooner [20:13] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Mr M [20:13] <amyluhu> agree mem [20:13] <Aislinn> I think it was due to a long history on both sides [20:13] <harryfreak359> Seems, worse than that Fawkes [20:13] <fw00per> the spitting image fawkes [20:13] <potter_cast_listener> hi [20:13] <fawkes28> yes, hf [20:13] <kvermilya91> I think Harry being like James and Malfoy and Snape having a special relationship is significant [20:13] <Dreamteam> yes, 6 of one and half a dozen of the other [20:13] <cbm> Snape did send a cutting curse at james [20:13] <HeidiBug> I think they both hexed each other with their backs turned . . . the question is . . . who started it? [20:13] <Pleshette> And if James is calling Snape it's definitely not to compliment him on his hair or anything [20:13] <readypc> yea [20:14] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL Pleshette [20:14] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> don't think so. Harry defensive, Draco offensive. We don't see that between James and Snape [20:14] <Aislinn> we certainly don't have any proof one way or the other from this single memory [20:14] <DumbleDebbie> true Pleshette LOL [20:14] <CarpeDiem> Heidi, I wonder if it got to a point that no one remembers, it's just an all out feud. [20:14] <harryfreak359> LOL Pleshette [20:14] <cbm> Snape was pulling his wand out and James reacted [20:14] <fawkes28> but it does seem like it happens often [20:14] <memyslfnI> the difference between harry and james is Harry never starts it..He is never the initiator, Ron does that [20:14] *** potter_cast_listener left #lounge [] [20:14] <MrMcGonagall> "My, how does it get that sheen? Bacon grease?" [20:14] <fw00per> that fits carpe [20:14] <harryfreak359> hahahaha [20:14] <DumbleDebbie> lol Mr M [20:14] <kvermilya91> its reversed between James and snape [20:14] <Pleshette> lololol [20:14] <SoonerGryffindor> however, it does seem from this view that its a repeating trend. 4 against 1 [20:14] <cbm> lol MrM [20:14] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Was that cutting curse Sectumsempra? [20:14] <Aislinn> often, but on both sides, fawkes [20:14] <fw00per> urgh, MrMG [20:14] <amyluhu> draco is the popular leader and snape didn't seem to be [20:14] <kvermilya91> yes it was [20:14] <DumbleDebbie> I think so Wagga [20:14] <harryfreak359> Yes, I think so too Sooner [20:14] <Aislinn> it wasn't 4, sooner [20:14] <cbm> James cheek was cut [20:14] <harryfreak359> Not at all fair against Snape [20:14] *** fawkes28 has quit [Bye] [20:14] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [20:14] <Aislinn> lupin and peter did not join in [20:14] <fw00per> I thought is was an early version of sectusempra [20:14] <HeidiBug> I'm sure it got to that point, Carpe. But it makes you wonder who really did start it all [20:14] <SoonerGryffindor> . James and Sirius proceed to taunt and cast spells against Snape. Were you shocked by this action on their parts? [20:14] <harryfreak359> and of course the rest of the school would most likely back James and the Marauders [20:14] <cbm> Yes [20:15] <Pleshette> True Sooner but Snape seemed to instigate trouble as well [20:15] <harryfreak359> Nope [20:15] <amyluhu> yes [20:15] <memyslfnI> No [20:15] <fw00per> yes [20:15] <HeidiBug> yes very shocked. [20:15] <Aislinn> yes pleshette - I agree with that [20:15] <harryfreak359> I expected there was something like that that had happened [20:15] <Pleshette> Actually I was [20:15] <HeidiBug> I was expecting James to be like Harry [20:15] <SoonerGryffindor> I shouldnt have been, but I was [20:15] <DumbleDebbie> yes, the extent to which it was taken [20:15] <fw00per> I still had Harry's hero worship viewpoint of his dad [20:15] *** potter_cast_listener has joined #lounge [20:15] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Lupin reading book, Wormtail watching television performance [20:15] <Pleshette> me too heidi [20:15] <SoonerGryffindor> I stil really thought that Snape had been lying to Harry about his dad [20:15] <Dreamteam> No, they hate each other and each wants to be better than the other, have the last word/spell [20:15] <DumbleDebbie> me too fwooper [20:15] <Aislinn> I was a bit shocked [20:15] <CarpeDiem> Yes, I think because we see only Harry's point of view we also have a bit of a hero complex with James. I was certainly surprised to see him act that way. [20:15] <MrMcGonagall> This seems to be a rather typical incident to me in their interactions. [20:15] <readypc> not at all i'm sure snape would have done the same if he hadbeen in the position [20:15] <harryfreak359> I didn't think so really, Sooner [20:15] *** EmilyVizi has joined #lounge [20:16] <harryfreak359> Hi Emily [20:16] <DumbleDebbie> hi emily [20:16] <EmilyVizi> for some reason i could only get it now [20:16] <fw00per> hi emily [20:16] <cbm> I think that Snape has the 15 year old james etched in his memory and it never changed [20:16] <amyluhu> i was shocked. but at that point it seemed like snape was innocent (until i kept reading) [20:16] <EmilyVizi> hello everyone [20:16] <SoonerGryffindor> it was almost like finding out your best friend tears the legs off of ants or something. Not something you either expected or wanted to see [20:16] <Pleshette> Interesting enought wasn't this "Snape's spell?" [20:16] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Not really 4 on 1, more like 2 on 1. But Snape would not agree [20:16] <HeidiBug> It was just plain mean [20:16] <memyslfnI> i think the whole scene is to contrast Harry and his father. james is corruptable in a sense. Harry is not. this is what makes him unique. This is what sets him apart from all others [20:16] <Aislinn> yes it was [20:16] <DumbleDebbie> that's quite an image Sooner [20:16] <CarpeDiem> Interesting analogy Sooner! [20:16] <harryfreak359> Yes it is Sooner [20:16] <amyluhu> agreee soner [20:16] *** futureweasley has joined #lounge [20:16] <Pleshette> didn't he create "levicorpus?" that's the impression I got from HBP [20:16] <DumbleDebbie> wb future! [20:16] <fawkes28> They were not being fair - 2 against 1 [20:16] <fw00per> ooh, good points sonner and me [20:16] * harryfreak359 picutures people tearing legs off ants [20:16] <CarpeDiem> hiya future [20:16] <HeidiBug> Makes you wonder is James ever appoligized years later when he grew up a bit . . . [20:17] <cbm> Snape was pulling his wand, I do not think Snape would of cast a harmless spell [20:17] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> hi future [20:17] <harryfreak359> Hi Future! [20:17] <EmilyVizi> I think that Snape is just annoyed [20:17] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [20:17] <futureweasley> hi CD...glad you could join us [20:17] <harryfreak359> HI CLoupic [20:17] <Aislinn> hey cloudpic! [20:17] <DumbleDebbie> hi cloudpic! [20:17] <cloudpic> sorry so late.... [20:17] <fw00per> hi cloudpic and future [20:17] <EmilyVizi> they cloudpic [20:17] <amyluhu> maybe we will find out that and more heidi [20:17] <futureweasley> hi guys [20:17] <Pleshette> So James is using Snape's own spell against him, and how would James have known about it? [20:17] <HeidiBug> I hope so, amy [20:17] <fawkes28> testing [20:17] <Pleshette> Hi cloudpic! smile [20:17] <harryfreak359> Probably had already gotter around I think [20:17] <fw00per> I wondered that too Pleshette [20:17] <SoonerGryffindor> I would like to think that James apologized Heidi, but something tells me he didnt sad [20:17] <HeidiBug> Lupin said the spell got around [20:17] <CarpeDiem> I see ya fawkes...in pink too smile [20:17] <harryfreak359> gotten* [20:17] <DumbleDebbie> maybe James heard him say it [20:17] <HeidiBug> like gossip [20:18] <fw00per> it's nonverbal! [20:18] <cloudpic> Howdy, all [20:18] <EmilyVizi> Maybe Snape has used it before... [20:18] <Aislinn> because snape has used it against him, most likely pleshette [20:18] <potter_cast_listener> you guys talk fast [20:18] <Dreamteam> James may have heard it or Snape may have already used it on him [20:18] <MrMcGonagall> yes [20:18] <harryfreak359> I don't think James apologized [20:18] <cbm> The only way he could of known about it was for Snape to do it to someone first [20:18] <Pleshette> I wonder if Lily was involved with this somehow [20:18] <HeidiBug> A lot of people were using it [20:18] *** readypc has quit [Bye] [20:18] <kvermilya91> It doesnt have to be nonverbal. I think when Harry used it on malfoy, he said it aloud. [20:18] <harryfreak359> It takes awhile to get used to pcl smile [20:18] <HeidiBug> James must have got it from them [20:18] <potter_cast_listener> thanks [20:18] <fawkes28> testing [20:18] <harryfreak359> I see you Fawkes [20:18] <DumbleDebbie> i see you fawkes [20:19] <HeidiBug> Levicorpus is nonverbal, sectemsempra isn't [20:19] <memyslfnI> James apaolgy was tyo save snapes life. [20:19] <EmilyVizi> *whistles "i am supposed to be doing a paper [20:19] <Pleshette> I have my own theory about that, but this is not the place to discuss [20:19] <kvermilya91> thanks, Heidi [20:19] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [20:19] <amyluhu> that was diff spell kver [20:19] *** fawkes28 has quit [Bye] [20:19] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [20:19] <DumbleDebbie> hi Expie! [20:19] <Aislinn> expie! [20:19] <harryfreak359> Hi Expie! [20:19] <Pleshette> Hi Expel! smile [20:19] <SoonerGryffindor> Peter looked on "in avid anticipation", and sniggered at the taunts. What was your impression of him at this point? [20:19] <Expelliarmas> heya peepers [20:19] <memyslfnI> I doubt Snape would have returned the favor [20:19] <fw00per> power hungry [20:19] <SoonerGryffindor> hehehe. That question is just in time for Expie [20:19] <DumbleDebbie> disgusting [20:19] <Pleshette> Sleezey rat [20:19] <fawkes28> testing [20:19] <kvermilya91> I already didnt like Peter [20:19] <memyslfnI> He is a sick sick individual [20:19] <Expelliarmas> Peter was happy it was someone else getting picked on [20:19] <Dreamteam> I think all spells can be verbal or non-verbal depending on experience [20:19] <fw00per> or popular hungry [20:20] <DumbleDebbie> I still see you fawkes [20:20] <harryfreak359> A brainless follower [20:20] <amyluhu> kreepy little worm [20:20] <kvermilya91> I agree Expie [20:20] <fawkes28> yay smile [20:20] <cloudpic> He enjoys other people's discomfort... but doesn't like responsibility! [20:20] <harryfreak359> I see you Fawkes [20:20] <HeidiBug> He was just acting like James and Sirius without actually joining in [20:20] <MrMcGonagall> I completely agree with every epithet. [20:20] <Aislinn> It really sealed my opinion of him being a nasty piece of work [20:20] <CarpeDiem> He enjoyed the harassing...as long as he was not on the receiving end. [20:20] <Dreamteam> Pathetic [20:20] <memyslfnI> he gets off on the suffering of others [20:20] <amyluhu> that's just about what i meant cloudpic [20:20] <harryfreak359> yes, mine too Aislinn [20:20] <Pleshette> Yeah Ais, it sure did [20:20] <cloudpic> That way if anyone fights back... he can say, "it wasn't me" [20:20] <SoonerGryffindor> kinda reminds you of the creepy kid in school that you find out later in life becomes a serial killer or something [20:20] <Aislinn> yes, sooner [20:20] <cloudpic> He's a slimey git. [20:20] <harryfreak359> Yes, Sooner [20:20] <amyluhu> exactly sooner [20:20] <DumbleDebbie> well, he did Sooner [20:20] <HeidiBug> James and Sirius grew up . . . Peter didn't [20:20] <Dreamteam> Y'know that really fits Sooner [20:20] <kvermilya91> exactly, sooner [20:20] <cloudpic> Exactly, Sooner! [20:21] <fw00per> freaky kid [20:21] <memyslfnI> nither did snape [20:21] <cloudpic> LOL kvermilya! [20:21] <Dreamteam> Not sure Sirius grew up [20:21] <memyslfnI> Snape is still cought in the hatred of the past [20:21] <cloudpic> arrested development... [20:21] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Sooner. The one your mom told you to watch out for at the bus stop. [20:21] <cbm> Sirius was never given a chance to grow up [20:21] <Aislinn> sirius didn't have a chance to [20:21] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [20:21] <EmilyVizi> haha [20:21] <HeidiBug> Sirius said he wasn't proud of it, dreamteam, so he grew up a little [20:21] <memyslfnI> Sirius might have except the stint in askaban clouded his judjment [20:21] <EmilyVizi> Peter is just odd... [20:21] <cloudpic> Good point, HeidiBug [20:21] <Dreamteam> Doesn't mean I don't love him [20:21] <harryfreak359> Yes, I agree Heidi [20:21] <fw00per> stunted emotional growth from azkaban [20:22] <EmilyVizi> Yeah thats true Heidi [20:22] <cloudpic> creepy odd, though [20:22] <Dreamteam> Sirius is my favourite character [20:22] <harryfreak359> He is one of mine smile [20:22] <EmilyVizi> Me too dreamteam [20:22] <SoonerGryffindor> Sirius taunted Snape about leaving grease marks all over his exam paper, and people in the crowd that had gathered laughed, with Jo telling us that Snape was clearly unpopular. Why do you think this was true? [20:22] <cbm> I agree dreamteam [20:22] <cloudpic> He doesn't fit into their notion of "cool" [20:22] <memyslfnI> It certainly ws a snappy comeback.. [20:22] <DumbleDebbie> he doesn't exactly have well-developed people skills [20:22] <cbm> I think it is because he was anti-social [20:22] <EmilyVizi> He was so obsessed with DADA and yeah he wasn't cool [20:22] <Dreamteam> Greasy git, in appearance and character [20:22] <EmilyVizi> and anti-social [20:22] <cloudpic> Socially awkward [20:23] <Expelliarmas> um, because Snape did leave greasemarks ... [20:23] <HeidiBug> Snape isn't exactly "cool" and he's really unfriendly [20:23] <Pleshette> He wasn't concerned about his appearance, socially awkward, into "Dark Arts", extremely intelligent [20:23] <DumbleDebbie> lol Expie [20:23] <fw00per> early goth with nerdy, anti-social tendencies - the weird kid [20:23] <amyluhu> well i think he made himself a loner by not caring about others [20:23] <harryfreak359> Well, I think that Snape had a bad life, and just didn't become comforable with people. And others taunted him [20:23] <SoonerGryffindor> ummm. Greasy hair, yellow teeth, grey underwear ... nuff said [20:23] <fawkes28> I do think that Snape chose to be anti social [20:23] <harryfreak359> lol [20:23] <MrMcGonagall> Well, just lok at him! [20:23] <MrMcGonagall> look [20:23] <HeidiBug> I agree fawkes [20:23] <harryfreak359> Yes, I think so too Fawkes [20:23] <Expelliarmas> yes, he did chose to be anti-social [20:23] <Pleshette> I can't believe that's coming from you Sooner! ;) [20:23] <SoonerGryffindor> I know [20:23] <harryfreak359> LOL [20:23] <amyluhu> i sort of think he did fawkes [20:23] <DumbleDebbie> I think he was nasty to a lot of people and that's what nasty bullies get [20:23] <Pleshette> lol [20:23] <memyslfnI> He sets himself apart from everything James stood for..he was not a quidditch player that he wanted to be and quite possibly he rebelled against it [20:23] <Aislinn> Lupin tells Harry that Snape was deep into the Dark Arts as soon as he arrived at school. I bet he made a lot of people uncomfortable [20:23] <SoonerGryffindor> but I promised myself I would be objective tonight [20:23] <Expelliarmas> he didnt have to forego all his grooming; at some point he needed to get over himself; he just never did [20:23] <Aislinn> I agree debbie [20:23] <DumbleDebbie> (Unless they're gorgeous, rich and play Quidditch wink) [20:24] <memyslfnI> the grey underpants were the tip off. [20:24] <fw00per> he was anti-hunk [20:24] <HeidiBug> James really seemed to be the bully in that memory and not Snape [20:24] <fawkes28> I see him coming into Hogwarts as a loner and not really attaching himself to anyone [20:24] <cloudpic> Excellent point DumbleDebbie!!!! [20:24] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Snape has lots of emotional scars from growing up. Combine that with his hygeine and looks and he really didnt stand a chance [20:24] <harryfreak359> Yes, James was the bully in that memory [20:24] <fw00per> yes, sooner [20:24] *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge [20:24] <CarpeDiem> I bet he also had a bit of the Hermione - show off trait as well. Especially in DaDa and maybe potions. [20:24] <Dreamteam> attaching himself to anyone - Yuk!!! fawkes [20:24] <Pleshette> So true, and that happens in real life too sadly [20:24] <fawkes28> hi NYB [20:24] <DumbleDebbie> hi NYB [20:24] <harryfreak359> Yes, I agree Sooner [20:24] <cbm> We do not see how snape treated people who were weaker than him [20:24] <SoonerGryffindor> yes CD [20:24] <HeidiBug> Snape just needs some seriously therapy [20:24] <harryfreak359> Hi NYbookworm [20:24] <amyluhu> but it sort of turned around heidi [20:25] <memyslfnI> I disagree.. I think that we are seeing one snip of a whole history [20:25] <HeidiBug> He's took caught up in the past [20:25] <cloudpic> Why would his underwear be uncared for at Hogwarts? That's his mom's fault if he came with them that way.... the HouseElves wouldn't mess them up [20:25] <Dreamteam> Snape needs shampoo [20:25] <Aislinn> good point carpe [20:25] <memyslfnI> I bet if the roles were reversed, Snape and his gang of Slytherins would have torn him apart [20:25] <cbm> Snape may not of been a bully in this memory, but he became one later [20:25] <potter_cast_listener> he needs to learn how to take a shower [20:25] <cloudpic> Kids learning good grooming at home. Or not. Mom's fault. [20:25] <Aislinn> yes, memyslf - it is one single snapshot [20:25] <fw00per> they were just old, not dirty [20:25] <Expelliarmas> well, theres a lot to be said for a kid who spends time cooking up nasty spells for "enemies" [20:25] <EmilyVizi> why does it matter about his undeware [20:25] <MrMcGonagall> The Hogwarts crowd can be pretty fickle, but I'm willing to bet Snape was not well-liked. [20:25] *** NYBookworm left #lounge [] [20:25] <EmilyVizi> underwear* [20:25] <Aislinn> and there is a reason that snape is as unpopular as he is [20:25] <Pleshette> That's a good point memyselfnI [20:25] *** futureweasley has quit [Bye] [20:26] <fawkes28> I can't picture him having friends though - i think he spent a lot of time by himself - he is withdrawn [20:26] <HeidiBug> True, cbm, and it was his choice to be that way [20:26] <Aislinn> exactly expie [20:26] <EmilyVizi> did he have any friends? [20:26] <cloudpic> His unpopularity is a result of his arriving unprepared to relate to other kids [20:26] *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge [20:26] <fw00per> also a result of abuse [20:26] <NYBookworm> hi [20:26] <DumbleDebbie> wb NYB [20:26] *** WaggaWaggaWerewolf has quit [Bye] [20:26] <memyslfnI> hey! [20:26] <potter_cast_listener> he had a hard family life [20:26] <harryfreak359> wb NYB [20:26] <cloudpic> None we know of, Emily.... [20:26] <Dreamteam> I wonder what the attitudes to Half Bloods were back then? [20:26] <SoonerGryffindor> . Lily came over to defend Snape, which distracted James from what he was doing. What was your impression of Lily at this point? [20:26] <CarpeDiem> I agree with that fawkes. And since kids tend to make fun of what they don't understand (like anti-social behavior) I'm sure it was more than just the Marauders that picked on Snape. [20:26] <Dreamteam> Bye WWW [20:26] <EmilyVizi> Lily is just kind [20:26] <harryfreak359> She was a kind caring, compassionate person [20:26] <Pleshette> I liked her right away! smile [20:26] <DumbleDebbie> you go girl! [20:26] <SoonerGryffindor> Thank goodness for this [20:26] <cbm> I liked Lily [20:26] <memyslfnI> She was not afraid of "going with the crowd" [20:26] <harryfreak359> I liked her righ away too [20:27] <Dreamteam> Peacemaker, caring [20:27] <fw00per> ginny like and fabulous [20:27] <kvermilya91> She did the right thing, whether she liked Snape or not [20:27] <memyslfnI> she stood up to james and must have been very self assured [20:27] <SoonerGryffindor> I was about to think that Harry had no relatives at all that were decent! [20:27] <amyluhu> trying to be kind. even though she had probably been called names at least by snape [20:27] *** WaggaWaggaWerewolf has joined #lounge [20:27] <DumbleDebbie> lol Sooner [20:27] <HeidiBug> Wait to go, Lily! [20:27] <MrMcGonagall> You can see why everyone liked her. [20:27] <harryfreak359> lol Sooner [20:27] <Aislinn> she was feisty, and reminds me a lot of Ginny [20:27] <DumbleDebbie> wb Wagga [20:27] <Pleshette> She wasn't afraid to speak up to the 3 cool guys [20:27] <Expelliarmas> standing up to the popular James and company took some nerve; especially for an ungrateful jerk like snape [20:27] <harryfreak359> Yes, you most certainly can Mr M [20:27] *** potter_cast_listener left #lounge [] [20:27] <MrMcGonagall> Me, too, Aislinn. [20:27] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> got chucked off. [20:27] <HeidiBug> She turned out the way I expected James to be, like Harry [20:27] <SoonerGryffindor> good to see you made it back wagga [20:27] <MrMcGonagall> More mature than James and Sirius, for sure. [20:27] <Aislinn> yes - it was a very brave thing to do, and she was doing it in defense of an unpopular kid This post has been edited by fawkes28: Jan 3 2007, 09:45 PM |
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[20:28] <memyslfnI> She probAbly knre that james had a thing for her..
[20:28] <SoonerGryffindor> You can really see where Harry gets his personality from, cant you? [20:28] <CarpeDiem> Yep, she had traits of both Ginny and Hermione. She had the guts to stand up against what she clearly saw was serious wrong doing. [20:28] <SoonerGryffindor> She seems to strong [20:28] <DumbleDebbie> thank goodness Sooner [20:28] <amyluhu> yes sooner [20:28] <cbm> She was called a mudblood for her trouble, but she then called Snape Snivelus(sp?) in return [20:28] <SoonerGryffindor> *so [20:28] <fw00per> didn't care about being popular [20:28] *** hrh7 has quit [Bye] [20:28] <Dreamteam> She is why Harry is so different to James [20:29] <MrMcGonagall> She doesn't seem aat all self-conscious. [20:29] <harryfreak359> Yes Sooner [20:29] <fawkes28> i agree, carpe she does remind me of a combination of the two of them [20:29] <cbm> That is not something I can see Hermione doing, but I can see Ginny doing it [20:29] <HeidiBug> She told Snape that she would bother in future, but I wonder if she did [20:29] <HeidiBug> *wouldn't [20:29] <harryfreak359> Yes, I wondered taht too [20:29] <CarpeDiem> I agree fw00per, that's where her Hermione trait came into play. A lot like her SPEW movement. Unpopular but she did not back down about it. [20:29] <Expelliarmas> hermione would stand up for someone against a popular crowd; she did it fred and george [20:29] <harryfreak359> *that [20:29] <memyslfnI> This could be why Harry has Lily's eyes..They say the eyes are the window of the soul" Harry's is pure, his moms must be too. [20:29] <SoonerGryffindor> it reminded me of Harry telling Neville he was worth 12 of Malfoy [20:29] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Lily didn't deserve to be treated the way Snape did [20:29] <fawkes28> I think her core reminds me more of Ginny than of Hermione though [20:29] *** hrh7 has joined #lounge [20:30] <DumbleDebbie> good poing memyslfn [20:30] <Pleshette> She was so composed in that memory...doesn't miss a beat when Snape calls her the "M" word [20:30] <DumbleDebbie> wb hrh7 [20:30] <cbm> But Hermione would of stayed silent when insulted, Lily called Snape by his nickname [20:30] <DumbleDebbie> yes, that was brilliant Pleshette [20:30] <CarpeDiem> Agreed cbm! [20:30] <fw00per> she may have been used to it [20:30] <memyslfnI> she gives it right back! Go LilY! [20:30] <DumbleDebbie> and very Ginny-esque [20:30] <SoonerGryffindor> I also think its cute that she did show amusement and that she was having to fight back a bit of laughter [20:30] <amyluhu> lilly did what lupoin should have done before that [20:30] <kvermilya91> cbm, I disagree, Hermione did punch malfoy when he insulted hagrid [20:30] <harryfreak359> Yes me too, Sooner smile [20:30] <Pleshette> Definitely Debbie! [20:31] <EmilyVizi> I wonder why no one told James to stop it [20:31] <fw00per> that might have been Hermione cracking under presure kver [20:31] <HeidiBug> Lily doesn't take any crap. lol [20:31] <fw00per> *pressure [20:31] *** NYBookworm has quit [Bye] [20:31] <kvermilya91> maybe so [20:31] <cbm> But has she ever attacked when she was the one being called a mudblood? [20:31] <MrMcGonagall> If we were to take away an ideal picture of anyone from this memory, it would be Lily. [20:31] *** mlwl has joined #lounge [20:32] <DumbleDebbie> hi mlwl! [20:32] <fw00per> agree MrMG [20:32] <harryfreak359> Yes, MrM [20:32] <HeidiBug> agreed, Mr. M [20:32] <SoonerGryffindor> While James was distracted by Lily, Snape regained his wand, and used it to slash the side of James' face. How does this action compare to the spells (impedimenta and scourgify) that James and Sirius have used up to this point? [20:32] <Pleshette> Hey mlwl!!! smile [20:32] <harryfreak359> Hi mlwl! [20:32] <cbm> Hi mlwl [20:32] <Dreamteam> Agree MrMcG [20:32] <SoonerGryffindor> Hi Mel [20:32] <mlwl> hi all! *hugs en mass* [20:32] <memyslfnI> nd Harry..He is so shocked by the way Snape was treated [20:32] <amyluhu> no. but lilly wasn't attacking/ she was offering help but he turned it down and it ticker her off [20:32] <DumbleDebbie> nasty [20:32] <Expelliarmas> first it was a sneak attack [20:32] <memyslfnI> hey Mel! [20:32] <Aislinn> hey mel! [20:32] <HeidiBug> Snape actually caused physical harm [20:32] <Dreamteam> Much harsher [20:32] <Aislinn> welcome [20:32] <harryfreak359> Well...I think that it shows that Snape knows more darker spells [20:32] <Expelliarmas> second, it was done to draw blood [20:32] <MrMcGonagall> Mean streak [20:32] <amyluhu> it turns an evil corner [20:32] <SoonerGryffindor> well, I truly think it was sectrumsempra that we saw [20:32] <DumbleDebbie> designed to injure physically rather than embarass [20:32] <memyslfnI> I agree sooner [20:32] <DumbleDebbie> I do too Sooner [20:32] <fw00per> crosses a line [20:32] <harryfreak359> Me too Sooner [20:33] *** EmilyVizi has quit [Bye] [20:33] <amyluhu> prob so sooner [20:33] <SoonerGryffindor> gee, I wonder who he wrote that spell for [/sarcasm] [20:33] <mlwl> but is physical injury necessarily worse? [20:33] <harryfreak359> hahahaha [20:33] <DumbleDebbie> LOL [20:33] <Expelliarmas> yes a spell designed for enemies [20:33] <cbm> The face is a little to close to the neck for my comfort, snape could of done real damage [20:33] <Aislinn> I think it showed a clear distinction between childish pranks and actual physical attack [20:33] <fw00per> not always, mlwl [20:33] <harryfreak359> Good question, mlwl [20:33] <mlwl> I would argue that at that age, embarassment can be every bit as horrible [20:33] <harryfreak359> sometimes mental damage is much mucuh worse [20:33] <fw00per> yes aislinn [20:33] <mlwl> even more so, at times [20:33] <DumbleDebbie> right Aislinn [20:33] <amyluhu> agree aislinn [20:33] <mlwl> that is true, Ann [20:33] <memyslfnI> I think it depends mlwl, \ [20:33] <harryfreak359> Yes Aislinn [20:33] <SoonerGryffindor> but he weilded that spell with the precision of a surgeon with a scalpel [20:33] <Aislinn> and he may have been aiming for the throat, cbm - James turned at the last moment [20:33] <HeidiBug> Though, I'm not sure what James used was harmless either. When he did that spell "wash your mouth out" it seemed really dangerous. Like someone could choke on it. [20:34] <Dreamteam> but embarrassment doesn't kill, sectusempra could [20:34] <Aislinn> no, I think he missed sooner [20:34] <DumbleDebbie> you thinking he'd had some practice at it Sooner? [20:34] <mlwl> much like the ton-toffees? [20:34] <harryfreak359> Scary thought, Sooner! [20:34] <Expelliarmas> he probably did, Aislinn [20:34] <harryfreak359> ak [20:34] <MrMcGonagall> The meanness and cruelty of the spells gets more dangerous as they get older and know more magic. [20:34] <HeidiBug> yes, mlwl [20:34] <CarpeDiem> I think physical injury certainly is worse. We are also seeing our cool and calm friend Snape loosing his cool. This is very different from the Snape we know in "present" time. [20:34] <harryfreak359> No I mean Aislinn smile [20:34] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont think he meant to kill James in this scene, if that's what you guys are implying [20:34] * harryfreak359 is getting confused [20:34] <amyluhu> i think sooner's right. he purposely cut the face. it was not a death hit. just a wound for rememberance [20:34] <cloudpic> A poster somewhere/somewhen said recently that JKR seemed to make the point that emotional abuse was worse than physical injury by showing that Harry chose to face a dragon rather than return to the Dursleys [20:34] <Expelliarmas> well, james' spell was childish; snape's was done to draw blood [20:34] <memyslfnI> I think he wanted james to suffer like he has never suffered before. as I said earlier, if the roles were reversed, would Snape have kept James from entering the schack [20:34] <Aislinn> not kill, but do serious damage [20:34] <Dreamteam> I don't think he had mastered his cool yet [20:34] <mlwl> I don't know, carpe diem.... there are times in high school when I would have FAR rather been hurt than embarassed. And sometimes got my wish... [20:34] <HeidiBug> good point, cloudpic [20:35] <cloudpic> Was it one of you? [20:35] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> intention makes difference [20:35] <memyslfnI> he probably wanted to scar his handsome face. [20:35] <cbm> I do not think that snape is ever cool [20:35] <Aislinn> yes, cloud - emotional abuse can be very damaging [20:35] <mlwl> ohhh great point, cloudpic [20:35] <Aislinn> we don't know any details though [20:35] <cloudpic> Not my point... just mentioning someone elses... I think that it's right [20:35] <HeidiBug> I think he just wanted to cause James pain [20:35] <harryfreak359> Yes cloudpic [20:35] <HeidiBug> not kill [20:35] <Pleshette> good point memyselfnI [20:35] <amyluhu> good thought mem [20:35] <SoonerGryffindor> either way, it shows that Snape chose to use more violent spells and James seemed to use more childish ones [20:35] <fw00per> DE's fear physical attack more than emotional - look at LV and the whole death and pain issues he has [20:35] <Dreamteam> cbm I meant cool as in not showing his emotions too readily [20:36] <fawkes28> I think Snape just went on his gut reaction - he was angry and that was the first spell that came to him [20:36] <memyslfnI> It was more of a game to james, Snape was quite serious! [20:36] <DumbleDebbie> scary first impulse [20:36] <memyslfnI> iT WAS MORE PERSONAL TO sNAPE [20:36] <fw00per> agree me [20:36] *** Imserius has joined #lounge [20:36] <hrh7> If Snape grew up with physical abuse, he might be more willing to use it [20:36] <Aislinn> yes, sooner, I agree with that [20:36] <memyslfnI> oops again... [20:36] <DumbleDebbie> hi imserius [20:36] <amyluhu> yes sooner. pantsing someone is alot different than slashing them [20:36] <Pleshette> Right, fawkes he was angry and wanted to show that he could inflict pain [20:36] <Imserius> hey [20:36] <MrMcGonagall> Snape does seem to have reacted quite violently [20:36] <Imserius> hey [20:36] <Aislinn> quite [20:36] *** Pellinore has quit [Bye] [20:37] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I expect he felt murderous towards James [20:37] <SoonerGryffindor> well, James had just used one of Snape's spells against him, so I guess he wanted to use one right back at him [20:37] <mlwl> I wonder how you could even go about testing something like that? It does seem to be a spell you'd have to plan to use [20:37] <fawkes28> true wagga - he could have used more dangerous spells [20:37] <cloudpic> Isn't sudden violence usually the result when someone constantly "stuffs" their feelings because of emotional abuse? [20:37] <mlwl> esp. after we see Harry use it on Draco w/o practice [20:37] <Pleshette> that's a scary thought mlwl [20:37] <SoonerGryffindor> this is the guy who killed flies in his room [20:37] <memyslfnI> He belittled snape, he hurt his pride..that is what is important to snape. he might have been treated like that by his father and James hit a nerve. [20:37] <Expelliarmas> i also think he wanted to mar James' more handsome features [20:37] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> why if it was one of his spells? How did James learn taht spell anyway? [20:37] <Aislinn> yes mel, and the fact that he had developed it for enemies is pretty disturbing [20:37] <Imserius> Snape definently was abused [20:37] <cloudpic> FirstSnape was emotionally absued at home.... then at school. [20:37] <HeidiBug> I think so, cloudpic [20:37] <fw00per> inflicting pain may give more empowerment because it's immediately effective [20:37] <fawkes28> that is an interesting point, expie [20:37] <DumbleDebbie> good point Expie [20:37] <Dreamteam> Some bullied people grow up to bully some grow up to hate bullying, Snape is the former whereas Harry is the latter [20:37] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, this is what convinces me that he was going for his face [20:37] <Aislinn> we don't know any details about that cloudpic [20:37] <cloudpic> Oh, I like that point fw00per... [20:38] <memyslfnI> good point, he was also hexed by a spell of his own invention..that is embarrassing [20:38] <HeidiBug> people tend to act violently when they are upset [20:38] <Aislinn> we have a small hint from the flash that harry saw in his mind [20:38] <amyluhu> i kill flies in my room too. cause they're flies [20:38] <cloudpic> No, no details.... just that it exists. [20:38] <amyluhu> yuck [20:38] <Aislinn> not the extent though [20:38] <SoonerGryffindor> James uses Snape's own spell to flip him upside down, revealing those infamous grey underpants. Did you find this funny, or did you just feel bad for Snape at this point? [20:38] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> No flies on Snape, eh? [20:38] <fw00per> lol amyluhu [20:38] <cbm> Yet Harry lets spiders live in his cupboard [20:38] <amyluhu> felt bad [20:38] <MrMcGonagall> I felt bad for him. It was humiliating and uncalled for. [20:38] *** Pellinore has joined #lounge [20:38] <Imserius> I felt bad for him [20:39] <fw00per> felt bad [20:39] <harryfreak359> I felt bad, [20:39] <DumbleDebbie> wb Pellinore [20:39] <fawkes28> i did not find that funny [20:39] <memyslfnI> But we see the abuse of his mother, his dad was a yeller which usually is used to show power over the one you are yelling at. I think we can assume snape was treated the same [20:39] <SoonerGryffindor> felt bad [20:39] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> humiliating yes [20:39] <Pellinore> thx [20:39] <HeidiBug> I found it slightly funny, then hated myself for feeling that way, then I felt bad [20:39] <SoonerGryffindor> and then I laughed..... [20:39] <cloudpic> Felt bad for him... as I've said, his "grey underpants" were hardly his fault.... theses kids don't do their own laundry [20:39] <fw00per> reading through my fingers (hiding my eyes) [20:39] <amyluhu> i was never too happy when the popular kids made fun of the poor kids at school [20:39] <Expelliarmas> i felt bad to an extent, but wasnt surprised by his greying underwear [20:39] * harryfreak359 admits to giving a slight laugh afterwards [20:39] <Dreamteam> Mixture, funny but also embarrassed for him, hard to feel symptathy for Snape [20:39] <DumbleDebbie> I have to admit, I think I did laugh, but it was going a bit far [20:39] <SoonerGryffindor> that's when I knew for sure that Harry would be busted for seeing that memory [20:39] <MrMcGonagall> Where is my house elf? My drawers need to be washed? [20:39] <memyslfnI> I did not feel bad for him..(hides...) [20:39] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Mr M [20:39] * fawkes28 shakes her head very sadly everytime she reads that part [20:39] <Imserius> Why did James pick on snape so much [20:39] <cloudpic> JKR invites us to join those who're dissing Snape [20:39] <HeidiBug> I thought Harry was dead when Snape caught him [20:40] <Dreamteam> LOL MrMcG [20:40] <Imserius> there must have been a reason [20:40] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> shows that Snape wasn't wealthy. [20:40] <Pleshette> I felt bad even though it was Snape [20:40] <cbm> I thought it was funny only because it was snape in the recieving end [20:40] <Aislinn> it was hard not to feel it was a little karmic justice for all of the abuse we have seen him heap on the kids [20:40] <mlwl> she does [20:40] <cloudpic> It was easy? He had no friends to back him up. He was different. [20:40] <Imserius> true [20:40] <DumbleDebbie> right Aislinn [20:40] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> when friends with people like Malfoy that is saying a lot [20:40] <Pleshette> To be humiliated like that in front of schoolmates [20:40] <mlwl> see, I see it in the opposite manner [20:40] <SoonerGryffindor> but do you think that the treatment he suffered could have been some of the cause of it Aislinn? [20:40] <fw00per> yes, cloud [20:40] <mlwl> of COURSE he picks on these children... look at how he was treated [20:40] <cloudpic> But which came first? the abuse he received... or that he dished out? [20:40] <memyslfnI> Look at how Snape has treated Harry from day one? he totally abuses an 11 year old boy! [20:40] <SoonerGryffindor> exactly mel [20:40] <memyslfnI> What kind of guy does that [20:40] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> chicken and egg [20:40] <mlwl> it's a repeating cycle [20:41] *** Imserius has quit [Bye] [20:41] <Aislinn> I think that it is much more mutual than we are able to see from the one memory sooner [20:41] <cloudpic> I'm with you mlwl [20:41] <HeidiBug> I really really simpathize with the younger Snape. Not the older one though. He chose to turn out the way he did. [20:41] <mlwl> abuse fosters abse [20:41] <kvermilya91> ahh, have to go. Had fun guys. =) [20:41] <DumbleDebbie> different thing, kids picking on each other and an adult in authority doing it [20:41] <fw00per> strike first before they strike you [20:41] <Aislinn> and I couldn't disagree more [20:41] <SoonerGryffindor> bye kver [20:41] <mlwl> but if that is what he grew up with, it is the norm [20:41] *** kvermilya91 left #lounge [] [20:41] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I'd like to know what he did to James earlier on. [20:41] <Aislinn> being picked on as a kid is a crappy reason for picking on kids as a teacher [20:41] <amyluhu> agree aisliinn [20:41] <fw00per> same here, aislinn [20:41] <mlwl> even victims of the worst abse possible often abuse later [20:41] <memyslfnI> He also treats neville terrably. As a teacher! he belittles Hermione.. [20:41] <cloudpic> I agree he should have somehow thrown off that load of baggage... but easy to say [20:41] <amyluhu> bye kver [20:41] <MrMcGonagall> I'm pleased that Harry could recognize what a prat his dad was in this scene. [20:41] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Agree ais [20:41] <mlwl> I am as well Mr McG [20:42] <cloudpic> Yes, Mr.McG. [20:42] <DumbleDebbie> good point MrM. that was good [20:42] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Aislinn, but it s a vicious cycle, and his treatment by the mauraders did nothing to stop that [20:42] <Expelliarmas> Snape never got over himself and his issues; he should see a magishrink [20:42] <mlwl> it shows he has grown up a lot [20:42] <Aislinn> yes Mr M, me too [20:42] *** kitkat211 has joined #lounge [20:42] <Aislinn> it shows how centered he is [20:42] <amyluhu> agree mcmcg [20:42] <CarpeDiem> Yep, it was quite a wakeup call for him [20:42] <DumbleDebbie> lol Expie [20:42] <SoonerGryffindor> Snape is definitely damaged goodds [20:42] <kitkat211> hello room [20:42] <Aislinn> but it is very possible that he gave as good as he got sooner [20:42] <DumbleDebbie> hi kitkat [20:42] <HeidiBug> I don't think there's any excuse for the way Snape treats his students [20:42] <memyslfnI> He holds his anger and directs it at Harry. [20:42] <Pleshette> I felt a bit sad for Harry when he made this realization. [20:42] <Aislinn> we just have one memory of his right now [20:42] <cbm> He is damaged goods that should never be allowed near children [20:43] <DumbleDebbie> that was heartbreaking Pleshette [20:43] <Expelliarmas> oh, Snape definitely gave better than he got; Sirius told us of Snape jinxing James in the hallways [20:43] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> vindictive Snape is [20:43] <cloudpic> Lots of "shoulds" in this talk.... Snape shouldn't have had to grow up as he did... and he should have moved on... but evidently that's tougher than we think [20:43] <SoonerGryffindor> possible granted. But something tells me that's not so [20:43] <Aislinn> right expie [20:43] <memyslfnI> He has no reason to be mean to neville, yet he is. [20:43] <Expelliarmas> i think he just loved the sneak attacks [20:43] <memyslfnI> it shows his need for empowerment [20:43] <Aislinn> not me - we have heard otherwise, as expie pointed out [20:43] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Probably tried a lot of the spells on James we found in the Half-blood prince book [20:43] <mlwl> but, E, Sirius was entirely biased as well. I don't think you can sort out everything that happened between those guys other than through a pensieve [20:43] <cbm> another should, Dumbledore should of never let him be a teacher [20:43] <cloudpic> Isn't it self-defense? [20:43] <SoonerGryffindor> Lily tries to defend Snape again, only to be called a filthy little mudblood by Snape. What was your reaction to his treatment of Lily? [20:43] <HeidiBug> Snape could have turn out differently. It was his choice in the end. [20:43] *** SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] [20:43] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [20:44] <Aislinn> didn't surprise me - greasy git [20:44] <memyslfnI> He is lashing out [20:44] <cbm> typical Snape and it reminded me of Draco [20:44] <DumbleDebbie> jerk [20:44] <cloudpic> Gracious! I've spent most of my time here defending Snape?????? !!! [20:44] <mlwl> no, I do agree with that cbm. no matter his knowledge, he shouldn't have been working with children [20:44] <memyslfnI> He can't let his guard down for a minute [20:44] <HeidiBug> didn't surprise me [20:44] <Pleshette> I was a bit shocked because she tried to defend him [20:44] <DumbleDebbie> lol CP [20:44] <Aislinn> yes you have cloud smile [20:44] * cloudpic is worried about myself... [20:44] <fawkes28> it was not a nice thing to say [20:44] <CarpeDiem> It was a bit of justification for the teasing he got. Same old Snape shining through [20:44] <Expelliarmas> even a pensieve is tainted because we see from the perspective of the person's memory [20:44] <amyluhu> I chalked teenage snape right up there with draco [20:44] * DumbleDebbie worries about cloudpic too [20:44] *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge [20:44] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> but why lash out at Lily? It was a decent thing she did [20:44] <SoonerGryffindor> I think this is what makes it his worst memory [20:44] <cloudpic> LOL, thanks, DD [20:44] <NYBookworm> grrr... getting stuck today [20:44] <DumbleDebbie> wb NYB [20:44] <mlwl> I've wondered the same WWW [20:44] <HeidiBug> I don't think that's true expelliarmas [20:45] <fawkes28> I don't think Snape wanted pity - which is why he got so angry [20:45] *** Professor_Nigellus has joined #lounge [20:45] <Pleshette> I'm wondering if there is more to it than we know at this point [20:45] <HeidiBug> Didn't Jo say it wasn't biased in the interview? [20:45] <memyslfnI> He can't show weeakness, a thanks would show emotions and a possible chink in his armor [20:45] <DumbleDebbie> hi Prof Nigellus [20:45] <mlwl> right, I think that Jo said it's a straight story [20:45] <Aislinn> yes she did [20:45] <SoonerGryffindor> I think he lost control and lashed out and it was some kind of turning point [20:45] <Aislinn> hi professor [20:45] <fawkes28> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. Don't forget to vote in the latest poll for the next WWW chat here http://www.leakylounge.com/forums.html#entry1050359 [20:45] <mlwl> great point mmi [20:45] <amyluhu> i am sure there is plesh [20:45] <Dreamteam> He probably felt superiror to her as a Half Blood [20:45] <Pleshette> Could be sooner [20:45] <kitkat211> so do we chat about the chapter in book 5 called "Snape's worst memory" or do we just chat about Snape? [20:45] <memyslfnI> he is a half blood too??? [20:45] <mlwl> both biggrin [20:46] <SoonerGryffindor> this is about SWM kitkat [20:46] <Aislinn> he doesn't need to thank, but he doesn't have to insult her either [20:46] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> not only showing dirty underwear literally but metaphorically too [20:46] <Pleshette> I think there may have been a betrayal of trust that we dont know about yet [20:46] <Aislinn> thata was just completely uncalled for [20:46] <HeidiBug> Snape didn't want someone sticking up for him. That's why he lashed out. He didn't want it to seem like he needed help. Expecially not from girl. It was insulting to him. [20:46] <DumbleDebbie> lol Wgga [20:46] <mlwl> right, but like LV, tht's not a connection he wants others to make [20:46] <Aislinn> especially as she was trying to be nice to him [20:46] <CarpeDiem> Good point Wagga smile [20:46] <amyluhu> the memroy and snape, but now it is almost over kitkat [20:46] <fw00per> yes, heidibug [20:46] <Dreamteam> yes mem, I think it was JKR said it and his mother was at Howarts so his father must have been a muggle [20:46] <Expelliarmas> Snape thank Lily or anyone else who intervened on his behalf? not a chance. a mudblood, girl saved him from the boys [20:46] <SoonerGryffindor> Do you think that Lily defended them because she had some kind of relationship - friendship, acquaintance, potions partner - with Snape? [20:46] <cloudpic> I wonder what happened to his mother when she tried to defend him from his father's abuse? [20:46] <Pleshette> I think that's part of it [20:47] <fawkes28> I think because it is just who she is [20:47] <Pleshette> Yes I do Sooner [20:47] <HeidiBug> I thinks she just felt sorry for him [20:47] <amyluhu> no [20:47] <cloudpic> Or maybe she's just empathic [20:47] <DumbleDebbie> I think she did it because she was a prefect [20:47] <Aislinn> yes, I think that they knew each other from potions class, or from home [20:47] <mlwl> I would like to think she would have anyway [20:47] <NYBookworm> yep I think she could have [20:47] <cbm> I think she defended him because it is the right thing to do [20:47] <DumbleDebbie> and maybe to put James and Sirius down a peg [20:47] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Fact is, Snape prejudiced against people when he had no right to be [20:47] <memyslfnI> no..Ido not buy the Snape in love with Lily thing at all [20:47] <Dreamteam> I think she just had a great sense of fairness [20:47] <fawkes28> She is a nice person in general and would have defended anyone in that position [20:47] <mlwl> but, it wouldn't surprise me if they were in some of their upper classes together [20:47] <CarpeDiem> I think she had come to his "rescue" before. Perhaps pairing up in potions or other classes because no one else would be his partner. [20:47] <memyslfnI> mI agree Dreamtea [20:47] <Pleshette> No not in love but a mutual respect [20:47] <fw00per> could be any of those reasons [20:47] <amyluhu> i guess they could have been paired up in potions byy slug though [20:47] <cloudpic> I think most of us sometimes feel sorry for the object of jokes... [20:47] <Expelliarmas> She intervened because she was a prefect and took her role siriusly. I don't think Snape was her friend either at hogwarts or bak in the muggle world [20:47] <cbm> There is NOTHING in that scene that makes me think that there was any relationship between the 2 [20:47] <SoonerGryffindor> I think they knew each other and had a friendship, but I in no way think that they had any kind of romance [20:47] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> after seeing that memory was anyone surprised that Snape turned out to be a half-blood himself? [20:48] <amyluhu> we used to be randomly paired up in chemistry [20:48] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think there was an acquaintance or friendship at this poin. [20:48] <Dreamteam> no, no relationship [20:48] <mlwl> not at all, WWW [20:48] <DumbleDebbie> Snape sure doesn't act like she's his friend [20:48] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> why? [20:48] <harryfreak359> I agree Sooner, but I don't think that is why she did it. I think that she would have done the same for anyone [20:48] <Expelliarmas> Lily certainly didnt act like Snape was some friend of hers [20:48] <mlwl> it seems to me that he wants to put as much distance between himself and that culture as possible [20:48] <memyslfnI> I was WWW.\ [20:48] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree hf [20:48] <cbm> I do not think that lily would of come back and called Snape his nickname if they were friends [20:48] <Dreamteam> I was WWW, I thought he was too proud [20:48] <Pleshette> I think she may have inadvertently showed Snape's spell to James and that's why he was so furious with her [20:48] <DumbleDebbie> good point cbm [20:48] <cloudpic> I still think there's some link between the way his mother may have been treated... and the way he drives his defenders away [20:48] <CarpeDiem> Mr.M I think they had to be in classes together, right? That would qualify as an aquaintance to me [20:48] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Lily calling Snape "Snivelus" was a major blow to him [20:49] <memyslfnI> I agree cloudpic [20:49] <Expelliarmas> oh, I can't imagine Lily showing James a spell like that [20:49] <fw00per> I'd like to think that Lily's just a great person, no relationship involved [20:49] <mlwl> I think so too, SG [20:49] <amyluhu> i think she called him snivelus because she was frustrated. "silly boy won't even accept help" [20:49] <cloudpic> Thanks, memyslfnI... [20:49] <MrMcGonagall> Well, acquaintance in that sense, because they're in the same year, but they never would have hung out together. [20:49] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> how could she do that when the marauders might have worked out spells by having to put up with being guinea pigs [20:49] <fawkes28> people do crazy things when they are frustrated [20:49] <Dreamteam> Fully agree Mr McG [20:49] <amyluhu> yep [20:49] <cloudpic> I agree [20:49] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, Mr M, we just saw Snape hanging out alone wink [20:49] <SoonerGryffindor> What about the memory do you think makes it Snape's worst? [20:50] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I wonder why he was called Snivellus? [20:50] <mlwl> humiliation [20:50] <fw00per> yes, they knew each other, just not as friends [20:50] <memyslfnI> having himself exposed in fromt of the school [20:50] <mlwl> we see him as composed at almost all times, but he does not like feeling as if he was insulted [20:50] <Dreamteam> Snivelling little creep [20:50] <DumbleDebbie> embarassed [20:50] <Expelliarmas> having his own spell used against him and then being saved by a girl and a mudblood to boot [20:50] <fawkes28> definitely being hung upside down - he had no control of the situation [20:50] <CarpeDiem> Embarassment on top of embarassment. Quite a large audience as well. [20:50] <cloudpic> All the layers of disappointment and humiliation? [20:50] <fw00per> how vulnerable he was, allowing himself to be bullied about [20:50] <amyluhu> being humiliated, being controlled , being given pity by lily [20:50] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Worst memory for Harry to see [20:50] <cbm> That he was bested by a man he hates [20:50] <MrMcGonagall> I think he's troubled by what he said to Lily that day. [20:50] <SoonerGryffindor> because he called Lily "mudblood" and she called him "Snivelus" [20:50] <mlwl> the only other time we've seen him lose his cool was another time he could have been embarassed [20:50] <cbm> I agree with that www [20:50] <Pleshette> all of the above smile [20:50] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Sooner [20:50] <mlwl> even when he murdered DD, he was calm [20:50] <fw00per> agree with everyone [20:51] <DumbleDebbie> just don't call him a coward mlwl LOL [20:51] <fawkes28> James got one over on him too - people probably talked about it for awhile [20:51] <memyslfnI> but when harry called him coward he lost it [20:51] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Wonder if lv ever called him that [20:51] <Aislinn> I think being bested is what made it his worst [20:51] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> probably [20:51] <Dreamteam> All of it put together makes it his worst memory, the embarassment, his own spells againts him, the nickname, Lily (as a mudblood) standing up for him probaly added to his embarassment [20:52] <MrMcGonagall> Humiliations galore! [20:52] <SoonerGryffindor> Did this memory change your opinion about any of the Marauders? [20:52] <mlwl> DEFINITELY [20:52] <fw00per> oh yes [20:52] <DumbleDebbie> yep James [20:52] <cbm> Yes [20:52] <SoonerGryffindor> It did for me. I, like Harry, was sickened [20:52] <cloudpic> And Lily defending him... and then his turning on her [20:52] <memyslfnI> no..It did not. they are human and they were kids. [20:52] <NYBookworm> was very surprised by it yes [20:52] <amyluhu> yes. james [20:52] <fawkes28> yes - mainly james [20:52] <fawkes28> because we see james through the harry filter [20:52] <Expelliarmas> it made them more human to me; they had their foibles, but they outgrew them [20:52] <cloudpic> He saw himself turning into his abusive father... [20:52] <mlwl> mainly james for me as well [20:52] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> saw the marauders as less than perfect [20:52] <cbm> It made me realize that the fairy tale of James and Lily was different than I imagined it to be [20:52] <mlwl> but we never see evidence that they outgrew them [20:52] <harryfreak359> Ummm A little bit...I kind of got to know how they were really like [20:52] <mlwl> we just assume they did [20:52] <Dreamteam> Maybe James but I fought it :0 [20:52] <memyslfnI> they can grow. yet Snape does not [20:52] <cloudpic> Too bad he never stopped at that point [20:53] <CarpeDiem> Yep, James specifically. [20:53] <HeidiBug> There was a guy at my school that I didn't particualry care for. He was really annoying. But I stuck up for him when everyone was teasing him. He asked me to prom *shudders* and I turned him down. [20:53] <cbm> James must of grown, Dumbledore made him headboy [20:53] <Expelliarmas> it was time for Harry to take James off a pedestal; had James been alive, he likely would have done it sooner [20:53] <HeidiBug> I think that's how Lily was with Snape [20:53] <NYBookworm> it was kind of like the back to the future thing- parents at your age different that you'd imagine [20:53] <SoonerGryffindor> I like it because it made Harry grow up, if that makes any sense [20:53] <mlwl> well put, NYB [20:53] <fawkes28> it definitely did, sooner [20:53] <Aislinn> it gave me a more fully rounded view of them as real human beings with flaws [20:53] <DumbleDebbie> yes Sooner, off with the rose-colored glasses [20:54] <SoonerGryffindor> he got over his childish view of his parents [20:54] <MrMcGonagall> Definitely, Aislinn. [20:54] *** montims has joined #lounge [20:54] <DumbleDebbie> hi montims [20:54] <Dreamteam> I felt sorry for Harry, having to admit that Snape had a point [20:54] <CarpeDiem> Oooh...good point Aislinn. [20:54] <SoonerGryffindor> to Harry, they have always been these untouchable heroes up on a pedestal [20:54] <montims> hi - what did I miss? Someone like to recap? LOL!!!! [20:54] <memyslfnI> yes, Expell. because james died in a heroic way he perfect in Harry's eyes, it was one more step to get him ready to face LV. One more step to isolate him [20:54] <amyluhu> yep sooner [20:54] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [20:54] <Aislinn> but it does not define who they are as human beings, in my opinioin [20:54] <fw00per> I thought it was good for Harry to see Snape in this way (and James) [20:54] <amyluhu> almost done montims [20:54] <SoonerGryffindor> of course not [20:55] <DumbleDebbie> Snape's Worst Memory, montims, in excruciating detail smile [20:55] <CarpeDiem> No, it's hard to characterize anyone from such a small segment in time [20:55] <SoonerGryffindor> Did this memory change your opinion about Snape? [20:55] <Aislinn> exactly carpe [20:55] *** DAWLISH has joined #lounge [20:55] <cbm> No [20:55] <memyslfnI> It also explains why Snape hates Harry so much..it does not make it right, it just helps harry understand [20:55] <DumbleDebbie> hi dawlish [20:55] <Aislinn> not really, no [20:55] <DumbleDebbie> nope [20:55] <cloudpic> Yes. [20:55] <montims> I felt sorry for him [20:55] <fw00per> yes [20:55] <SoonerGryffindor> It didnt change my opinion, but it did help me see some things clearer, I think [20:55] <DAWLISH> HEy! [20:55] <memyslfnI> nope..he is still a git. [20:55] <HeidiBug> I didn't change my opinion. It just made me relate to him [20:55] <amyluhu> at first it did, then he reclaimed his nasty ness [20:55] <cbm> It just made me realize that Snape has always been the same [20:56] <MrMcGonagall> No, but it gave me a lot to think about in terms of his relationship to Lil. [20:56] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> no it wasn't enough information that memory [20:56] <Pleshette> No but I understood his motivation for hating Harry the way he does [20:56] <fw00per> well, helped me see his viewpoint, but not excuse his behavior in spite of that viewpoint [20:56] <mlwl> it made me feel even more sorry for him [20:56] <Dreamteam> No but it partly clarified why he's turned out the way he has and why he hated the Marauders [20:56] <Expelliarmas> No. It made it worse. Instead of being empathetic to a kid like Neville, he becomes the kid's worst nightmare [20:56] <SoonerGryffindor> It made me realize more why he does some of the things that he does [20:56] <memyslfnI> He is a hater.....that's all... [20:56] <cloudpic> It gave me insight. understanding. I don't excuse the adult he is... but it's clear he has been brought up to it. [20:56] <Pleshette> exactly fw00per [20:56] <Aislinn> It didn't for me at all, pleshette, as Harry is not the person in the memory [20:56] <montims> was it decided - worst memory of all time or just worst of the memories he put in the pensieve? [20:56] <Pleshette> and cloudpic [20:56] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> have to go now. bye [20:56] <DumbleDebbie> good point Expie [20:56] <memyslfnI> bye WWW! [20:56] <cloudpic> We learn that even the villain isn't simply evil [20:56] <amyluhu> bye www [20:56] <Aislinn> bye wagga [20:56] *** WaggaWaggaWerewolf left #lounge [] [20:56] <DumbleDebbie> bye Wagga [20:57] <Dreamteam> bye www [20:57] <harryfreak359> Bye Wagga [20:57] <Expelliarmas> Actually, Harry is not James or Lily. How petty of Snape to hold it against Harry who had no idea of their history. [20:57] <fawkes28> It helped me gained better insight into his relationships in the past and how he carried it over to harry even though he shouldn't have [20:57] <Aislinn> right expie [20:57] <mlwl> right cloudipc. nothing black and white. (esp snape's underoos) [20:57] <Pleshette> Yes Ais, but I see why he treats Harry the way he does. he's reminded of James [20:57] <fw00per> yes fawkes [20:57] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Expie [20:57] <DumbleDebbie> petty and Snape go well together Expie [20:57] <fw00per> lol mlwl [20:57] <memyslfnI> Just like DD shows us the life of Tom Riddle and how he gets to be LV> We see what shapes Snape and James [20:57] <Expelliarmas> reminded of James, but he can't let it go. not very mature for a man his age [20:57] <Aislinn> that is so immature though pleshette [20:57] <cbm> Yes Expie, Snape treats Harry as if he is the 15 year old james [20:57] <Pleshette> It sure is.. [20:57] <fawkes28> some people can't let go of things easily, expie [20:58] <harryfreak359> Yes, Fawkes [20:58] <fw00per> shows Snape's immaturity in certain matters [20:58] <harryfreak359> that is so true [20:58] <cloudpic> And so did Sirius.... treat Harry as if he were James. [20:58] <SoonerGryffindor> Okay, that is all of the questions, thank you so much guys for such a wonderful chat on such a hard topic [20:58] <mlwl> but it's not only that. He's not only evil to Harry, which shows me that it's not JUST James' memory [20:58] <Expelliarmas> snape lets go of nothing [20:58] <Pleshette> And as the adult Snape should be able to separate the two [20:58] <cbm> np [20:58] <amyluhu> snape treats harry as if he himself "snape" iss till 15 [20:58] <HeidiBug> good point, cloudpic [20:58] <memyslfnI> bye all! That was fun! [20:58] <mlwl> thank YOU! adios! [20:58] <CarpeDiem> Great questions, CB Mods! [20:58] <NYBookworm> night [20:58] <Pleshette> Byes! [20:58] *** NYBookworm has quit [Bye] [20:58] <DAWLISH> i think that james realised that Lilly diddnt like wat he was doing so stopped later on after that memory [20:58] <Dreamteam> Great chat, bye everyone [20:58] <HeidiBug> Snape takes out on Harry what he couldn't on James [20:58] <Expelliarmas> see y'all later [20:58] <CarpeDiem> G'night! [20:58] <fawkes28> Thanks for coming! smile [20:58] <cloudpic> So should Sirius have been able to... we forgive Sirius but not Snape. [20:58] *** memyslfnI left #lounge [] [20:58] <DumbleDebbie> live or die? (just kidding) [20:58] <amyluhu> Thanks Sooner and the rest of the mods [20:58] <SoonerGryffindor> tBig thatnks to Aislinn for the wonderful questions [20:58] <cbm> It was fun, I could chat about Snape for days smile [20:58] <cloudpic> Bye all.... great chat!!!! [20:59] <HeidiBug> great debate! [20:59] <Aislinn> great chat folks smile [20:59] * DumbleDebbie hugs the chatters [20:59] *** mlwl has quit [Bye] [20:59] <Pleshette> Have a good night everyone! [20:59] <HeidiBug> bye [20:59] <amyluhu> You go Aislinn [20:59] *** HeidiBug left #lounge [] [20:59] * cloudpic must go figure out why I'm defending Snape... [20:59] *** Pleshette has quit [Bye] [20:59] <fw00per> 'night all, good chat [20:59] <SoonerGryffindor> lol cp [20:59] <DumbleDebbie> lol cp [20:59] <amyluhu> *bye [20:59] <DumbleDebbie> goodnight all [20:59] <CarpeDiem> You must still be in Christmas mood cloud smile [20:59] <cloudpic> Byes! [20:59] *** DumbleDebbie left #lounge [] [20:59] * harryfreak359 gives everyone a big hug [20:59] <cloudpic> LOL... could be! [20:59] <harryfreak359> By everyone! [20:59] *** fw00per left #lounge [] [20:59] <harryfreak359> Bye* [21:00] * cbm has never defended snape, but FW did say he was good once smile [21:00] *** amyluhu has quit [Bye] [21:00] *** CarpeDiem has quit [Bye] [21:00] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [21:00] *** cloudpic has quit [Bye] [21:00] <SoonerGryffindor> lol cbm [21:00] *** Professor_Nigellus has quit [Bye] [21:00] *** googleeye has joined #lounge [21:00] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [21:00] <Pellinore> bye, sorry long distance phone call ;O [21:00] <fawkes28> bye everyone! time to go smile [21:00] *** Pellinore has quit [Bye] [21:01] <Aislinn> see you next time [21:01] *** DAWLISH has quit [Bye] [21:01] *** Expelliarmas has quit [Bye] [21:01] <Dreamteam> Still here Aislinn, just about to go [21:01] <Aislinn> see you around smile [21:01] *** hrh7 has quit [Bye] [21:02] *** montims has quit [Bye] [21:02] *** Dreamteam has quit [Bye] This post has been edited by fawkes28: Jan 3 2007, 09:58 PM -------------------- |
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