Wize Wizard Wednesday Chat 11/15/06, Characters We LOVE to Hate (Part 1 of 2) |
 Nov 15 2006, 09:16 PM
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Today's Moderators: Aislinn, SoonerGryffindor, Fawkes28, Expelliarmas and futureweasley
[18:59] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [18:59] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [18:59] <futureweasley> hi guys [18:59] <SoonerGryffindor> hey [19:00] <ProngsPatronus> hey there [19:00] <Aislinn> hey sooner! [19:00] <SoonerGryffindor> hey Aislinn [19:00] <SoonerGryffindor> I got in on the first try, which is good [19:00] <Aislinn> that is great [19:00] <futureweasley> will Expie be here tonight? [19:00] <SoonerGryffindor> yay for new servers [19:00] <Aislinn> hopefully we'll continue with positive performance [19:00] <SoonerGryffindor> I bet she stops in [19:00] <Aislinn> probably for part of it [19:01] <fawkes28> woo hoo for our chat tonight [19:01] <futureweasley> oh fawkes [19:01] <fawkes28> [19:01] *** cbm has joined #lounge [19:01] <Aislinn> hi cbm [19:01] <fawkes28> hi cbm [19:01] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [19:01] <ProngsPatronus> hi, cbm [19:01] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [19:01] *** Rebekia has joined #lounge [19:01] <futureweasley> hi Debbie [19:01] <futureweasley> hi Rebekia [19:01] <ProngsPatronus> hi, debbie [19:02] <fawkes28> hi debbie and rebekia [19:02] <Rebekia> aww hey everyone! [19:02] <DumbleDebbie> hiya anyone bash Snape yet? [19:02] <Aislinn> [19:02] <Aislinn> hello, folks from Maine! [19:02] <Rebekia> [19:02] <DumbleDebbie> lol Aislinn [19:02] <fawkes28> there is no snape bashing, debbie [19:02] <futureweasley> lol Debbie...not this week [19:02] <Rebekia> I was thinking I'd be the first one in...drats [19:02] <DumbleDebbie> not even from you future? wow! [19:02] <SoonerGryffindor> yay for no Snape bashing this week [19:02] <ProngsPatronus> thank the hundred little gods [19:03] <DumbleDebbie> lol Sooner [19:03] *** Islwyn13 has joined #lounge [19:03] <futureweasley> he's not to be discussed this week [19:03] <futureweasley> hi Islwyn [19:03] <fawkes28> hi islwyn [19:03] *** stewiegryf has joined #lounge [19:03] *** cbm has joined #lounge [19:03] <Aislinn> not this week, but it is inevitable, really ;) [19:03] <Islwyn13> Greetings, all [19:03] <futureweasley> hey stewie [19:03] <Aislinn> hi [19:03] <stewiegryf> hello! [19:03] <Rebekia> Hi Islwyn and STEWIE!! [19:03] <ProngsPatronus> hey, all [19:03] <fawkes28> hi stewie [19:03] <Islwyn13> who's not to be discussed? as if I couldn't guess? [19:03] <SoonerGryffindor> good to see you taking a study break Stewie [19:03] <fawkes28> but next week should be fun mwahaha [19:03] <futureweasley> lol Isl [19:03] <DumbleDebbie> apparently not who you'd think Isl [19:03] <stewiegryf> only a short one [19:03] <stewiegryf> [19:03] <ProngsPatronus> what is it for next week? [19:04] *** Punky has joined #lounge [19:04] <futureweasley> awww [19:04] <SoonerGryffindor> next week Snuffles may have a seizure [19:04] *** Val_Halla has joined #lounge [19:04] <futureweasley> My Punky!! [19:04] <DumbleDebbie> brb [19:04] *** DumbleDebbie left #lounge [] [19:04] <SoonerGryffindor> we divided this chat into 2 parts [19:04] <Rebekia> Hiya Punky...Val Halla!!! [19:04] <Punky> My Future! [19:04] <SoonerGryffindor> alphabetical order [19:04] <Islwyn13> really? Snape's not the one who's off the table? [19:04] <fawkes28> snape will be one of the people we talk about next week [19:04] <futureweasley> hi Val [19:04] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [19:04] <Islwyn13> okee, dokee [19:04] <ProngsPatronus> what6 is the topic for next week [19:04] <Val_Halla> hi all [19:04] <Aislinn> there are so many characters that it is possible to hate, that they won't all fit into tonight's discussion [19:04] <SoonerGryffindor> part 2 [19:04] <Rebekia> can i ask a quick question? [19:04] <Islwyn13> no problem, plenty of other people to desparage [19:04] <SoonerGryffindor> sure [19:04] <Aislinn> so we will do half tonight and half next week [19:04] <ProngsPatronus> oh [19:05] <futureweasley> lol, 2 full weeks of playa' hatin'! [19:05] <SoonerGryffindor> a-k tonight, l-z next week I think [19:05] <fawkes28> but plenty of fun both nights! [19:05] <Islwyn13> blast! tht means no Umbridge either...*sigh* [19:05] <Aislinn> awww, they all just need a big hug [19:05] <Rebekia> How do i make the colours show up in the colour pull down menu? I always just randomly blindly choose?? [19:05] <Aislinn> [19:05] <Islwyn13> I'll contain my hatred of that one for another week...barely [19:05] <futureweasley> LOL Aislinn [19:05] <fawkes28> there are lots of characters we can hate [19:05] <DumbleDebbie> or a smack upside the head Aislinn [19:05] <SoonerGryffindor> that's why I was saying next week Snuffles may have a seizure Islwyn [19:05] <Islwyn13> group counseling, definitely [19:05] <Aislinn> yeah, or that debbie [19:05] <DumbleDebbie> use FireFox Rebekia [19:06] <Islwyn13> lol, sooner! [19:06] <futureweasley> there should be a drop down menu Reb [19:06] <DumbleDebbie> they don't show in Safari [19:06] <futureweasley> !botsnack [19:06] * Snuffles munches on a yummy treat [19:06] *** Narya has joined #lounge [19:06] <Rebekia> Yea, so no to safari? ohh...thats why i never see them? [19:06] <futureweasley> good lil' Snuffles [19:06] <futureweasley> hi Narya [19:06] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome Narya [19:06] <Islwyn13> Heya, Narya [19:06] <Aislinn> hey narya! [19:06] <Rebekia> brb..i'll be quick! [19:06] <Narya> Hi all! [19:06] <ProngsPatronus> heya, Narya [19:06] <DumbleDebbie> yep Reb [19:06] <Aislinn> glad you joined us [19:06] <Narya> Hi PP [19:06] <fawkes28> hi narya [19:07] * ProngsPatronus ponders the wonders of technology [19:07] <stewiegryf> Tonight is my last chem lab of the year which means I'll be able to actually stay for most of the WWW chats from now on! [19:07] <futureweasley> I don't want to jinx it, but the booth has had a bit of an "upgrade"...so I hope this good fortune continues!! [19:07] <Narya> *Narya scratches her head vaguely* [19:07] <DumbleDebbie> yay Stewie! [19:08] *** Rebekia has quit [Bye] [19:08] *** Rebekia has joined #lounge [19:08] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, we test drove it yesterday, but tonight will be the real test [19:08] <ProngsPatronus> what kind of upgrade? [19:08] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [19:08] <futureweasley> hi harryfreak [19:08] <stewiegryf> hey hf! [19:08] <DumbleDebbie> hey HF [19:08] <harryfreak359> Hi! [19:08] <Val_Halla> Hi hf [19:08] <futureweasley> we got a new server [19:08] <ProngsPatronus> hi, hf [19:08] <Punky> hi HF [19:08] <SoonerGryffindor> new server. No idea beyond that [19:09] <harryfreak359> oh really? [19:09] <Aislinn> we got moved onto a new server [19:09] <fawkes28> hello hf! [19:09] <ProngsPatronus> ooo--cool! [19:09] <stewiegryf> whoo hoo! [19:09] <harryfreak359> nice! [19:09] <ProngsPatronus> does that mean not as much lag? [19:09] <harryfreak359> hi everyone! [19:09] <Aislinn> so it should help with performance, we hope! [19:09] <fawkes28> woo hoo is right stewie! [19:09] <stewiegryf> shiny new server! [19:09] <futureweasley> that deserves a woot if anything ever did!! [19:09] <SoonerGryffindor> hopefully [19:09] <DumbleDebbie> cool [19:09] <Aislinn> that's what we're hoping, prongs [19:09] <Rebekia> Hey HarryFreak [19:09] <Islwyn13> Heya, hf [19:09] <harryfreak359> Yeah! [19:09] <Aislinn> hey harryfreak [19:09] <fawkes28> maybe your computer will like the new one, hf [19:09] <SoonerGryffindor> like I said, we tested it, but only so much we could do with just a few of us [19:09] <stewiegryf> I think you've had enough of the other word in the Great Hall for awhile, fawkes [19:09] <harryfreak359> Hopefully Fawkes... [19:09] <Aislinn> tonight will be the acid test [19:10] <ProngsPatronus> I am sure it will get a workout tonight! [19:10] *** MrMcGonagall has joined #lounge [19:10] <Islwyn13> I'm sitting here thinking, and most of the people I hate in this series are in the last half of the alphabet... [19:10] <harryfreak359> woot! [19:10] <Islwyn13> hmm.. [19:10] <Aislinn> hi Mr M [19:10] <DumbleDebbie> hey Mr M! [19:10] <Rebekia> Mr. M!!!! [19:10] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, everybody1 [19:10] <fawkes28> hi mr. m [19:10] <stewiegryf> he Mr. M! [19:10] *** adamgryff has joined #lounge [19:10] <Islwyn13> Heya, Mr. M [19:10] <harryfreak359> Hey Mr.McG! [19:10] <futureweasley> hiya adam [19:10] <Aislinn> hey adam [19:10] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Islwyn, I'm sure we'll get to a few of the ones you hate tonight as well [19:10] <fawkes28> hi adam! [19:10] <Islwyn13> Heya, adam! [19:10] <futureweasley> hi MrMcG [19:10] <ProngsPatronus> hey, mr. m [19:10] <SoonerGryffindor> hey adam, hey Mr M [19:10] <adamgryff> hi everyone [19:10] <harryfreak359> Hi Adam!!! [19:10] <DumbleDebbie> hi adam [19:10] <MrMcGonagall> fw was all in a panic I wouldn't be able to make it tonight. [19:10] <futureweasley> welcome guys! [19:10] <adamgryff> thanks for all your support [19:10] <Rebekia> Adam!!!!! [19:10] <harryfreak359> lol [19:10] <Rebekia> this is going to be a good chat [19:10] <harryfreak359> yes [19:11] <futureweasley> lol, I was MrMcG..."freaking out" would be the term I would use [19:11] <harryfreak359> lol [19:11] <fawkes28> lol [19:11] <ProngsPatronus> oo--adam! hi :-) [19:11] <DumbleDebbie> lol [19:11] <MrMcGonagall> Actually, fw, I think you booed. [19:11] <adamgryff> Hi! PP [19:11] <futureweasley> I had to put on my "brave face" for you [19:11] <futureweasley> LOL [19:11] <fawkes28> lol [19:11] <DumbleDebbie> uh-oh, you don't want FW booing you ;) [19:11] <Rebekia> PP! wow i know so many of you. [19:12] <ProngsPatronus> hey, rebekia [19:12] <MrMcGonagall> What would a Wednesday night be without the WWW chat. [19:12] <ProngsPatronus> boring [19:12] <futureweasley> right, my thoughts exactly [19:12] <DumbleDebbie> Wednesday night? [19:12] <adamgryff> I couldn't miss this one I've been voting for it for weeks now [19:12] * futureweasley looks for the 2X4 [19:12] <DumbleDebbie> [19:12] <Islwyn13> just another day of the week [19:12] <SoonerGryffindor> a boring day of the week [19:12] * DumbleDebbie ducks FW's attempted blow [19:12] <futureweasley> it should be a good one, Adam...Expie did a great job with the questions [19:13] <SoonerGryffindor> lol... yes she did [19:13] <harryfreak359> Yay! [19:13] <harryfreak359> Can't wait! [19:13] <fawkes28> the corner booth is the place to be on wednesday nights! [19:13] <ProngsPatronus> me, either [19:13] <Islwyn13> I want questions! *prepares for temper tantrum* [19:13] <Aislinn> but people may have to be patient about getting to their favorite - love-to-hate-character [19:13] *** gryffindelle has joined #lounge [19:13] <Aislinn> there are so many of them, that we are taking them in 2 doses [19:13] <Islwyn13> Umbridge, *sigh* [19:13] <ProngsPatronus> hey--I am an equal opportunity hater [19:13] <futureweasley> yes, good point Aislinn...patience is a virtue [19:13] <Aislinn> hi gryff [19:13] *** coach has joined #lounge [19:13] <SoonerGryffindor> I second that. I promise we have lots and lots of them [19:13] <futureweasley> lol PP [19:13] <DumbleDebbie> hi gryffindelle [19:13] <futureweasley> hi coach [19:13] <fawkes28> oh, i can wait, aislinn mwahahaha [19:13] <coach> hello [19:13] <futureweasley> hi gryffindelle [19:13] <SoonerGryffindor> hey coach [19:13] <Punky> lol PP [19:14] <DumbleDebbie> hi coach [19:14] <Narya> Hi coach!! [19:14] <gryffindelle> hallo [19:14] <stewiegryf> I'm with you Islwyn...we'll have to be very patient [19:14] <gryffindelle> did i miss anything? [19:14] <ProngsPatronus> woohoo--hey, coach! [19:14] <Islwyn13> Heya, coach and gryff [19:14] <Islwyn13> nope [19:14] <Aislinn> nope, we're starting in a minute [19:14] <futureweasley> nope, gryff...just about to start [19:14] <SoonerGryffindor> we are about to get started [19:14] <ProngsPatronus> hey, gryff [19:14] <Rebekia> we're getting settled in [19:14] * Islwyn13 pops popcorn [19:14] <gryffindelle> yay! [19:14] <Rebekia> I'm trying to think about who i hate... [19:14] * Islwyn13 pops open butterbeers [19:15] <Narya> *Narya settles for an apple* [19:15] <Rebekia> oh in HP i mean [19:15] <adamgryff> still wants some of rebekia cake [19:15] * cbm popcorn sounds good, I have a salad [19:15] <futureweasley> yum! thanks for the snack Isl [19:15] <Rebekia> didn't that look amazing?!! Yeah i think i want to try to make it [19:15] <Islwyn13> hating is hungry work ;) [19:15] * stewiegryf will take all of the above [19:15] <Aislinn> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You’re not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you’ll be able to type again soon. [19:15] <Aislinn> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod [19:15] <Aislinn> You won’t be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it” in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [19:16] <Aislinn> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [19:16] <Aislinn> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [19:16] <futureweasley> All right folks, tonight’s chat involves characters we love to hate. Jo does a brilliant job giving these miserable characters depth and complexity. We have a laundry list of these interesting characters spanning from Philosopher’s/Sorcerer’s Stone to Half-Blood Prince and all points within. [19:16] <futureweasley> You will find some characters have been thrown under the Knight Bus. We will proceed in an alphabetical order. Due to the sheer number of dubious characters, we've divided this chat into two parts. Tonight we go from A-K. Next Wednesday, we'll chat about characters whose surnames begin with the letters L-Z. [19:16] *** Val_Halla left #lounge [] [19:16] <futureweasley> Don’t get anxious if we don’t get to your most loathsome character right away. We'll get to them all. Ready? Let’s get right to it! [19:16] <futureweasley> Ludo Bagman makes his appearance in GoF–talking loud and taking bets. Bagman welshes on his bet with the twins, owes Goblins a load of gold, and tries to fix the Tri-Wizard Tournament so Harry wins. He tried to fix the Tournament. He passed information to the DEs. Did you hate Bagman? Why? [19:17] <SoonerGryffindor> Oooh, I love to hate Ludo [19:17] *** Val_Halla has joined #lounge [19:17] <harryfreak359> No, I was more just annoyed with him... [19:17] <ProngsPatronus> annoying git [19:17] <Islwyn13> nah, I don't hate him [19:17] *** Belenzie has joined #lounge [19:17] <Aislinn> I didn't hate him, but he certainly wasn't anyone to be respected [19:17] <fawkes28> my thoughts exactly HF [19:17] <Narya> I didn't hate Ludo - he was just a bit of an idiot [19:17] <gryffindelle> i agree hf [19:17] <MrMcGonagall> I don't really hate him. I just think he fills the dumb jock bill. [19:17] <Islwyn13> he needs Gamblers Anonymous [19:17] <cbm> Strong dislike, hate is a strong word [19:17] <futureweasley> Ludo was a dork...and a liar...I can't stand liars!! [19:17] <adamgryff> I was just completely annoyed at his character [19:17] <DumbleDebbie> he's too pathetic to hate [19:17] <SoonerGryffindor> head of the sports department betting on games [19:17] <futureweasley> lol Debbie [19:17] <stewiegryf> exactly debbie [19:17] <Aislinn> agreed debbie [19:17] <Islwyn13> stealing children's fortunes [19:17] <harryfreak359> I didn't have any deep hatred for him, but I didn't like what he did [19:18] <gryffindelle> yes debbie [19:18] <Islwyn13> that got me [19:18] <Belenzie> i just remembered it was happening tonight!! and to think i was just about to go on mugglenetchat [19:18] <ProngsPatronus> I was underwhelmed by his character [19:18] <fawkes28> i don't dislike him i just think he isn't the smartest person [19:18] <Rebekia> I don't hate him either. He's obnoxious and a little bit of a scumball, but...I don't know he's not evil enough for the term Hate to be used. [19:18] <ProngsPatronus> or lack of one [19:18] <Val_Halla> I kinda like Ludo, although I wouldn't trust him [19:18] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, sirius conflict of interst there Sooner [19:18] <fawkes28> i also think he took one too many bludgers to the head [19:18] <futureweasley> he was just so manipulative...it was really hard not to loathe him [19:18] <Islwyn13> I don't think he passed info to the DEs deliberately [19:18] <coach> I think he's an accurate portrayal of a former athlete [19:18] <Islwyn13> probably pulled a "Stan", talking out of turn [19:18] <DumbleDebbie> lol fawkes [19:18] <cbm> An ex-athlete with a gambling problem, pathetic is the right word [19:18] <fawkes28> ludo is just a "big kid" [19:18] <Islwyn13> trying to look important [19:18] <futureweasley> what he did to the Twins and their "savings"...it was an outrage and a scandel [19:18] <SoonerGryffindor> well, I will use "hate" here and not mean the actual definition if you know what I mean. [19:18] <Belenzie> to thickheaded to do that [19:18] <Aislinn> it was an outrage [19:18] <coach> many fall into gambling because it's the only way they can feel that competitive rush [19:18] <Rebekia> He's not sneaky enough though at what he does...Yeah isl..he's just got issues with gambling and not paying back his debts [19:18] <MrMcGonagall> Not the kind of person I'd want as my friend, but also not somebody I would wish to be thrown under the Knight bus. [19:19] <fawkes28> good point, coach [19:19] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree coach [19:19] <fawkes28> lol mr. m [19:19] <Aislinn> and he was also unethical in the way he kept trying to help Harry, not for Harry's sake, but because he was trying to win a bet [19:19] <SoonerGryffindor> who else thought "Pete Rose" when they first read about Ludo betting on sports [19:19] <Narya> I don't think he meant to be nasty to the twins - he just couldn't help himself [19:19] <Rebekia> Yeah i think we should just tie him onto the back bumper of the knight bus..not under it [19:19] <cbm> He needs gambler anonymous! [19:19] <Belenzie> and he lost his when he left quidditch playing [19:19] <DumbleDebbie> lol Mr M [19:19] <harryfreak359> lol Mr.McG [19:19] <futureweasley> yes, and he was a washed up quidditch player still seeking the thrill of competition [19:19] <Aislinn> ooh, good comparison sooner [19:19] <fawkes28> yes, aislinn, he was very unethical [19:19] <ProngsPatronus> I think he was on the end of one too many Wronski feints [19:19] <Islwyn13> he's certainly not someone I like, but I reserve hate for others *cough* Umbridge *cough* [19:19] <futureweasley> lol...totally Pete Rose [19:19] <coach> Jordan is still a notorious gambler [19:19] <Islwyn13> I found bagman mostly annoying [19:20] <Val_Halla> I agree PP [19:20] <Belenzie> yeah there ARE worse ministry officials [19:20] <harryfreak359> yes, me too Islwyn [19:20] <ProngsPatronus> exactly, fw [19:20] <cbm> But Jordon never bet on a sport he was involved in [19:20] <SoonerGryffindor> and that is the difference. Ludo could have directly affected the match [19:20] <Belenzie> gretzky did.......i mean his wife [19:20] <coach> right, I'm talking about after retiring [19:20] *** mammaprince has joined #lounge [19:20] <Islwyn13> he was certainly set up nicely, though...I thought he was the bad guy for most of GoF [19:20] <MrMcGonagall> The thing I find most troubling about Bagman is that most of his shenanigans have some pretty serious consequences, even though he doesn't intend them. [19:20] <coach> he did try to tamper with the tournament, someone mentioned that earlier [19:21] <ProngsPatronus> he is such a loose cannon [19:21] <coach> consequences to himself imparticular [19:21] <SoonerGryffindor> exactly Mr M [19:21] <SoonerGryffindor> he is a menace [19:21] <futureweasley> yes, like the fact that he was accused of trifling with Death Eaters [19:21] <Aislinn> yes, Mr M, just like back when he passed information unknowingly for the dark side [19:21] <futureweasley> that is quite serious [19:21] <Narya> He's very naive, isn't he .. he just doesn't think about the consequences [19:21] <Aislinn> he doesn't,, you're right narya [19:21] <harryfreak359> Yeah Narya [19:21] <harryfreak359> exactly [19:21] <Islwyn13> I was also annoyed with the behaviour of the witches on the Wizengamot during his trial [19:21] <coach> I think that's also typical of elite athletes [19:21] <DumbleDebbie> a child in a man's body Narya [19:21] <Val_Halla> He was pretty young when he passed information and IMO pretty dimwitted [19:21] <cbm> I think he is an addict, and his addiction is gambling. I think all else flows from that. [19:21] <Islwyn13> Professional, people, try to be professional! [19:21] <Rebekia> He definitely has been sort of wrapped up into one world too long..like gambling and sports... [19:21] <futureweasley> Bane and the other Centaurs. They seem as arrogant as the pure-blood Wizarding maniacs. Do you hate the herd? Why? [19:21] <stewiegryf> I agree...and naivity isn't something that should cause hatred [19:22] <Islwyn13> Bane's a creep [19:22] <Aislinn> I don't hate the herd at all [19:22] <gryffindelle> not really [19:22] <cbm> No [19:22] <DumbleDebbie> no I don't hate the heard [19:22] <Aislinn> Bane is a bit of a hot head [19:22] <Val_Halla> Not at all [19:22] <Narya> I don't hate the centaurs - but they're certaiinly very set in their ways [19:22] <Belenzie> is it just bagman tonight?? [19:22] <fawkes28> i don't like them [19:22] <Rebekia> Bane is pompus. He's like the Draco for the centaur world. [19:22] <ProngsPatronus> no--I got impatient with them, though [19:22] <Aislinn> no, bel [19:22] <gryffindelle> just get mad at them a lot [19:22] <coach> they've got a chip on their shoulder [19:22] <MrMcGonagall> No, I don't have a problem with centaurs. It's just their nature. [19:22] <ProngsPatronus> their self-absorption [19:22] <Islwyn13> I think most of them have either been treated badly personally, or knew someone who was, by wizards [19:22] <Narya> Bane is very rash and domineering [19:22] <futureweasley> I still love Firenze [19:22] <adamgryff> I don't hate the heard it's the way they are, but I would get impatient talking to one of them [19:22] <Islwyn13> and their bigotry developed from that [19:22] <Aislinn> they certainly suffer from the sin of excess pride [19:22] <coach> do we know how long they live? [19:22] <fawkes28> i did highly dislike them for the way they treated firenze [19:22] <Islwyn13> firenze is awesome, agreed [19:23] * MrMcGonagall starts thinking about an fw/Firenze ship. [19:23] <DumbleDebbie> I can't blame them for wanting to stay separate [19:23] <Narya> Firenze is the most likeable of them all, and seems to be the most reasonable [19:23] <futureweasley> but I don't like the rest of the herd...I think they are a bit reckless and dangerous [19:23] <cbm> Wizards have probably not treated them well and their attitudes probably come from that. [19:23] <DumbleDebbie> lol Mr M [19:23] <futureweasley> oh, MrMcG...you are gonna get it! [19:23] <Rebekia> They are a bit like the ilitess though and wanting to close out other kinds like wizards...much like the Malfoys and pureblood issues [19:23] <Islwyn13> I can blame them for wanting to hurt children, though [19:23] <Rebekia> Bane is the worse of them [19:23] <adamgryff> lol Mr.McG [19:23] *** DumbleDebbie left #lounge [] [19:23] <Val_Halla> I like the centaurs. they have their own code and don't kowtow to wizards [19:23] <Aislinn> I think bane is really the worst - Magorian seems much more reasonable, for instance [19:23] <fawkes28> but they didn't have to act the way they did with firenze, which made me mad [19:23] <Belenzie> do you think we'll ever see the females or their "village"? [19:23] <MrMcGonagall> Bane does seem to be the ringleader of the centaurs. [19:23] <SoonerGryffindor> Its their attitude that I hate more than their characters [19:23] <MrMcGonagall> Or the rabble rouser. [19:23] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [19:23] <Belenzie> isn't magorian?? [19:24] <Belenzie> ...the leader/ [19:24] <fawkes28> i don't think bane is ever going to change [19:24] <Narya> I wonder if JKR named Bane specifically [19:24] <Islwyn13> that's the impression I got, yeah, Bel [19:24] <coach> likely [19:24] <SoonerGryffindor> very good observation Narya [19:24] <Aislinn> I thought magorian was in the first book anyway [19:24] <Islwyn13> yeah, she did [19:24] <fawkes28> he is never going to respect firenze again [19:24] <stewiegryf> Isn't that one in the same Sooner? Their attitude is representative of their characters? [19:24] <Narya> I think JKR gave us a very subtle clue there [19:24] *** DumbleDebbie left #lounge [] [19:24] <Islwyn13> I don't think Bane respects anyone [19:24] <futureweasley> I worried about their intentions...they say they aren't servant, but aren't willing to even help. That kind of attitude points to deep hater and fear [19:24] <SoonerGryffindor> well, not necessarily [19:24] <Aislinn> it would make sense narya [19:24] <ProngsPatronus> perhaps Firenze will not respect bane, either [19:24] <Islwyn13> he's very hateful [19:24] <Narya> I don't think he does either [19:24] <Aislinn> she is so pointed with her naming [19:24] <gryffindelle> lag... [19:24] <cbm> I don't think that JK ever names anything without a lot of thinking [19:25] <Val_Halla> Bane is definitely the hothead centaur [19:25] <coach> fw, that's right, they don't compromise [19:25] <gryffindelle> yes val [19:25] <harryfreak359> \yes [19:25] <futureweasley> hard headed...like some other people I know [19:25] <coach> they are very hardline [19:25] <MrMcGonagall> I have to head out, but I'll be right back - just switching buildings, which means switching wireless networks. [19:25] <Narya> Not with an impulsive and embittered centaur at their head, no [19:25] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [19:25] <futureweasley> *me* [19:25] <Aislinn> but isn't that in part due to the fact that they are treated like lesser beings by the wizards FW? [19:25] <SoonerGryffindor> cya in a moment then Mr M [19:25] *** MrMcGonagall left #lounge [] [19:25] <ProngsPatronus> lol, fw [19:25] <stewiegryf> lol future [19:25] <Val_Halla> I kind of think of the centaurs as being like the native americans were to the white settlers [19:25] <fawkes28> but two wrongs don't make a right, aislinn [19:25] <SoonerGryffindor> no idea Aislinn [19:25] <futureweasley> I haven't yet seen the Centaurs treated as "lesser beings" by wizards [19:26] <Islwyn13> I wonder if it's like the prejudice wizards have for muggles... [19:26] <Narya> It's a bad move to treat centaurs as if they don't know or understand as much as others, and that shows in theier behaviour [19:26] <Val_Halla> They seem like violent savages but are just different [19:26] <futureweasley> that could have been in times passed, but it doesn't seem to hold true now [19:26] <Islwyn13> they were once treated badly by muggles, so a bigotry towards them devfeloped [19:26] <SoonerGryffindor> good comparison VH [19:26] <Aislinn> they are "regulated" by the same dept. as the house elves [19:26] <Rebekia> Yea i see wizards as being scared out of their mind by the centaurs.... [19:26] <futureweasley> Cho Chang! Yes, Harry’s first crush. We first meet her in PoA and again in GoF. We really get to know her and her sneak friend Marietta in OotP. Did you like Cho when you first met her? [19:26] <futureweasley> If you changed your opinion about Cho, when did you change it? What makes her so annoying? Is she annoying enough, however, to hate? [19:26] <Belenzie> owell they do have little interaction with them [19:26] <Islwyn13> lol, cho! [19:26] <SoonerGryffindor> hosepipe! [19:26] <Islwyn13> Totally not worthy of Harry! [19:26] *** Ginnyous has joined #lounge [19:26] <Rebekia> GAH! Evil Cho CHANG! She's a player and a temptress [19:26] <Aislinn> she was so annoying in OotP [19:26] <Belenzie> no i honestly didn't like her [19:26] <Val_Halla> Not really [19:26] <cbm> I never learned enough about her [19:26] <Islwyn13> ouch, Rebekia! [19:26] <Aislinn> I really couldn't see what Harry saw in her at all [19:26] <Islwyn13> I don't see that [19:26] <Narya> I didn't like Cho very much but I think JKR wrote her character quite deliberately to be unsympathetic [19:27] <coach> I thought she was realistic for Harry's first crush [19:27] <DumbleDebbie> I like her at first. she was cute. [19:27] <harryfreak359> I didn't really mind her in GoF, but I didn't like her one bit in OotP [19:27] <gryffindelle> i didn't like her, but i didn't hate her [19:27] <futureweasley> I feel for Cho...but then I was just annoyed by her. She's not the only one going through a hard time [19:27] <coach> the wet blanket girlfriend [19:27] <Islwyn13> she's a typical teenage girl..which is why I don't like her [19:27] <fawkes28> i think at first i didn't mind her [19:27] <ProngsPatronus> Cho--don't like her--she introduced a viper into the bosom of the DA [19:27] <Val_Halla> I liked her until she defended Marietta [19:27] <SoonerGryffindor> I actually thought she could have been a good character in PoA, but I didnt like her in GoF and hated her in OotP [19:27] *** SillyPutty has joined #lounge [19:27] <stewiegryf> I was pretty annoyed with Cho through much of OotP. But she seems to be a typical teen girl [19:27] <DumbleDebbie> she got annoying later on [19:27] <cbm> agreed Val [19:27] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome silly putty [19:27] <Aislinn> yes, PP, that was hard to forgive [19:27] <ProngsPatronus> yes [19:27] <Aislinn> just because, as a silly girl, she needed to have a friend come along [19:27] <Narya> She's not a very mature character at all [19:27] <Rebekia> isl-lol! yeah I didnt enjoy her sort of having eyes for only the person who was head honcho at the time [19:27] <Islwyn13> I don't think Cho realized the importance and danger of what htey were diong [19:27] <Rebekia> not a trait i like in people [19:27] <Islwyn13> she thought of it as a way to get close to Harry, I think [19:28] <Belenzie> heres a parrale that i like- cho's patronus appears to be a swan- and swans are monogomous (1 mate) for life, i feel that her reluctance to let go of cedric and her difficulty with harry kind of echoes that?? [19:28] <cbm> she was grieving, so I did not mind at first [19:28] <Aislinn> probably isl [19:28] <futureweasley> there's a Remus Lupin's song called "Ravenclaw Seeker"...it sums up perfectly how I feel about Cho. She is a temptress and quite "all about herself" [19:28] <SillyPutty> agreed FW [19:28] <Ginnyous> hy guys! [19:28] <Rebekia> FW--Thank you. Very much agree. She's all about the cute popular boy at school. [19:28] <SoonerGryffindor> hi gnnyous [19:28] <Islwyn13> yeah, that part bothered me...she didn't even consider how Harry must feel [19:28] <DumbleDebbie> hi ginny [19:28] <fawkes28> hi ginnyous [19:28] <Islwyn13> she just wanted sympathy adn attention because of how she felt about Cedric's death [19:28] <gryffindelle> hi ginnyous [19:28] <ProngsPatronus> temptress? one has to have some moxy for that role [19:28] <Islwyn13> distasteful [19:29] <Islwyn13> agreed, PP [19:29] <futureweasley> Vincent Crabbe, one of Draco Malfoy’s dolt bodyguards, he has a pudding-bowl haircut and doesn’t seem to speak a lot. Maybe he can’t as he tends to grunt and laugh sycophantically. Crabbe managed not to find a single, desperate girl to take to the Yule Ball. Crabbe may be a tad brighter than Goyle (which doesn’t say much). Is this a character you hate or pity? Why? [19:29] <Aislinn> I think she did think that Harry would share in her grieving, since he had experienced the death personally [19:29] <Ginnyous> who are we discusing [19:29] <Aislinn> crabbe now [19:29] *** MrMcGonagall has joined #lounge [19:29] <SoonerGryffindor> I cant stand crabbe [19:29] <cbm> Aislinn: pity [19:29] <mammaprince> whoom we love to hate I beleive [19:29] <gryffindelle> pity [19:29] <coach> he's a charicature [19:29] <DumbleDebbie> isn't that like saying the tree stump is brighter than the doorknob? [19:29] <Val_Halla> Crabbe is pretty 2 dimensional [19:29] <fawkes28> i don't pity crabbe [19:29] <adamgryff> Crabbe seems like hes just along for the ride with Draco [19:29] <Islwyn13> both Crabbe and Goyle are pitiable [19:29] <Islwyn13> yeah, Val, I agree [19:29] <Narya> I think I pity Crabbe a lot more than anything else - he doesn't even get to speak or to have a mind of his own without Draco [19:30] <futureweasley> I just think that Crabbe is a lost dog...he's too stupid to come up with any original thoughts, so he hands on to Draco's coat tails [19:30] <stewiegryf> lol debbie [19:30] <MrMcGonagall> I don't love to hate Crabbe. He's just a jerk. [19:30] <SillyPutty> neither? [19:30] <fawkes28> he makes his own choices [19:30] <harryfreak359> I don't pity them at all [19:30] <Ginnyous> I don't like him but he doesn't upset me to much [19:30] <Aislinn> he and goyle are pretty cardboard cutout, as characters [19:30] <ProngsPatronus> Crabbe, whether eh speaks or not, still makes his own choice to be Draco's muscle [19:30] <harryfreak359> nor do I hate him really...I just don't notice him [19:30] <Islwyn13> from what we've sween, though, they don't relaly have brains [19:30] <fawkes28> i feel no pity when people make the "Easy" choices and just follow a leader [19:30] <SillyPutty> i don't considered them anything more then lackeys - but i wonder how much of that is from their fathers relationship with lucious? [19:30] <Narya> Does he, PP? [19:30] <Islwyn13> I think they go where they are led, by Draco and their fathers [19:30] <stewiegryf> I'd say both...I hate how he doesn't think for himself, but I did feel a twinge of pity for hiim at the end of HBP [19:30] <ProngsPatronus> yes [19:30] *** PerfectlyMMAD has joined #lounge [19:30] <Rebekia> Nah..crabbe isn't smart enough for me to hate. (and i mean that in the sense that he's just...he doesnt know any better?) [19:30] <Narya> Does he have a choice or is he too stupid? [19:30] <Aislinn> that's a good point fawkes [19:30] <cbm> I think he is doing what he was brought up to do [19:30] <Aislinn> they are making the easy choice [19:30] <DumbleDebbie> hey PMMAD [19:30] <Belenzie> Jamie Waylett said something in P.C. # 31 about a crabbe sacrifice for goyle or vice versa, do you guys thinks that they would do something like that?/ [19:30] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, it's hard to feel much about such flat characters. [19:30] <Narya> I think he's too afraid to do anything else [19:31] <Ginnyous> I just consider him an extension of Draco [19:31] <Narya> Not much of an example at home [19:31] <coach> isn't there something to be said for sticking by one's friend through thick and thin, right and wrong [19:31] <Rebekia> Bel--- if they did that'd be weird [19:31] <Narya> With a monosyllabic father as a DE [19:31] <SillyPutty> yes because they love one another? [19:31] <coach> Ron and Hermoine do with Harry [19:31] <Val_Halla> True Ginnyous - like a greek chorus [19:31] <stewiegryf> Well, I'm off to class! [19:31] *** PerfectlyMMAD left #lounge [] [19:31] <Islwyn13> I don't know if I can see either one sacrificing htemselves, even for each otehr [19:31] <stewiegryf> Take care all! [19:31] <ProngsPatronus> Sirius didn't have much of an example, yet he chose differently [19:31] <Aislinn> He probably doesn't have the imagination to even envision another possibility Narya [19:31] <Islwyn13> later, Stewie! [19:31] <Islwyn13> have fun in lab! [19:31] <Rebekia> bye stewie! [19:31] <futureweasley> bye Stewie [19:31] <DumbleDebbie> bye stewie [19:31] *** stewiegryf left #lounge [] [19:31] * Islwyn13 misses chem labs [19:31] <SoonerGryffindor> bye stewie [19:31] <SillyPutty> but i don't think they would sacrifice themselves for draco [19:31] <Ginnyous> Bye atew [19:31] <fawkes28> yes, coach, but then we have to ask ourselves, why are they friends with draco? [19:31] <Narya> Sirius was a different wizard - with a lot of guts [19:31] <Belenzie> their dads told them to! [19:31] <Aislinn> yes [19:31] <Islwyn13> he's powerful, intheir minds [19:32] <Islwyn13> adn their fathers know his father [19:32] <fawkes28> they just want to be associated with someone in power...they arent really his friends [19:32] <Rebekia> I dont think they're smart enough or quick enough to know that a sacrifice was needed if the time came (sorry) [19:32] <Belenzie> lol [19:32] <Islwyn13> and his father is powerful [19:32] <futureweasley> The Creevey Brothers–well, Colin more than Dennis. Colin is an over-excited little guy who loves to take pictures and has a serious case of hero-worship of Harry. Is it the constant picture taking? Constantly asking “All right, Harry?” Does Colin get more on your nerves or do you hate him? Why? [19:32] <cbm> But sirius was smarter than Crabbe, I know that is not saying much [19:32] <Narya> Crabbe has had no example set to him [19:32] <Islwyn13> the relationship is probably highly encouraged by their parents [19:32] <DumbleDebbie> I love the Creeveys [19:32] <Islwyn13> LOL, I don't hate Colin [19:32] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [19:32] <futureweasley> See, I love the Creeveys [19:32] <Ginnyous> youre right FWKS [19:32] <SoonerGryffindor> Colin was highly annoying, was he not? [19:32] <cbm> annoying [19:32] <adamgryff> I don't hate them they are just annoying [19:32] <Islwyn13> he's jsut over-exciteable [19:32] <futureweasley> hi Expie [19:32] <SoonerGryffindor> hey Expie [19:32] <fawkes28> hi expie [19:32] <gryffindelle> on my nerves [19:32] <SillyPutty> he is Jar-Jar... I ignore him best I can... [19:32] <Rebekia> Ooooooh i dont hate the creevys i love their enthusiasm [19:32] <adamgryff> hi expie [19:32] <Aislinn> they are more characters that are more annoying than hateful [19:32] <harryfreak359> I don't hate colin at all. he is a little annoying though [19:32] <MrMcGonagall> Uber-annoying, but you kind of have to love the little guys. [19:32] <futureweasley> he's annoying, but I don't hate him [19:32] <harryfreak359> hey Expie! [19:32] <Islwyn13> LOL, SillyPutty! [19:32] <fawkes28> oh, colin gets on my nerves [19:32] <Islwyn13> good analogy! [19:32] <DumbleDebbie> I thinkkthey're adorable [19:32] *** coach has quit [Bye] [19:32] <Narya> What is this about hate all the time? I don't hate them, I just think that they're all painted in different ways [19:32] <Punky> Oh the constant pictures got on my nerves [19:32] <Aislinn> hi expie [19:32] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont hate them, but very annoying [19:32] <Belenzie> i love colin- i was an early ginny/colin shipper before ootp [19:32] <ProngsPatronus> lol--annoying little fanboys, but you have to love that younger one, and his spill into the lake [19:32] <Expelliarmas> Heya peepers [19:33] <futureweasley> if Harry would let him, he would be a great shot in the arm whenever Harry needed one [19:33] <Ginnyous> I like denny creavy even though he can be a bit annoyng [19:33] <mammaprince> I think they add some fun to the situations [19:33] <futureweasley> LOL PP...fanboys! [19:33] <fawkes28> aww, future [19:33] <Aislinn> but it's not based on anything real to Harry, FW [19:33] <Narya> I think the brothers are typical of their age - they're very young and it shows [19:33] <Islwyn13> "We love you, Harry! Whoo hoo!" [19:33] <Aislinn> it is just kind of mindless fanning [19:33] <SillyPutty> time for class - bye... [19:33] <fawkes28> i think colin just tries too hard to fit in [19:33] *** SillyPutty has quit [Bye] [19:33] <SoonerGryffindor> Dennis-- the kid who thought there was nothing cooler than to be dumped in the lake and have the squid throw him back in the boat. I really like Dennis [19:33] <Val_Halla> Me too SG [19:33] <Narya> LOL Sooner [19:33] <Expelliarmas> Yes, mindless fawning, but years later, Colin is still going strong [19:34] *** mammaprince left #lounge [] [19:34] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, that was hilarious Sooner [19:34] <futureweasley> I think it is...Colin deeply admires Harry for his strength and ability to endure obsticles [19:34] <MrMcGonagall> I think the Creeveys have hidden strengths. [19:34] <Islwyn13> yeah, he never seems to grow out of it [19:34] <MrMcGonagall> They're definitely Gryffindors. [19:34] <fawkes28> i think he will be a great person once he matures [19:34] <SoonerGryffindor> definitely [19:34] * cbm I have leave for a little bit, I may be back [19:34] <futureweasley> yes MrMcG...I agree [19:34] <Islwyn13> agreed, fawkes [19:34] <cbm> bye [19:34] <DumbleDebbie> yes Dennis was the 1st to spot the flying Beauzbatons coach I think [19:34] <Belenzie> i wish they cept colin instead of introducing "nigel" [19:34] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [19:34] <fawkes28> bye cbm [19:34] <Islwyn13> later, cbm [19:34] * Belenzie sighs [19:34] <Expelliarmas> perhaps they wouldn't be so bad if they didn't seem so ... desperate at times [19:34] <Islwyn13> blast! too slow [19:34] <MrMcGonagall> They have chutzpah. [19:34] <ProngsPatronus> lol--a Jimmy Olsen in the making [19:34] <Islwyn13> I dont' get nigel, I agree [19:34] <SoonerGryffindor> I love that word Mr M [19:35] <futureweasley> Do you think Colin will outgrow his irritating habits? [19:35] <Ginnyous> I wouldn't want it to happen but maybe one of the creeve brothers dies in the th? [19:35] <Rebekia> same sooner yiddish rocks [19:35] <Islwyn13> eventually, yeah [19:35] <SoonerGryffindor> probably not [19:35] <gryffindelle> nopt [19:35] <gryffindelle> *nope [19:35] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, I think so FW [19:35] <futureweasley> I think he will... [19:35] <Islwyn13> he'll at least tone it down [19:35] <Aislinn> they may tone it down a bit as they mature [19:35] <fawkes28> i think the war might mature him a little faster [19:35] <Expelliarmas> Probably not, he seems the type to always be over-excited [19:35] <Islwyn13> no one can maintain that level of energy indefinitely [19:35] <MrMcGonagall> I think we've already seen some growth between CoS and OotP with the DA. [19:35] <SoonerGryffindor> but at least Harry has somewone extremely loyal to him [19:35] <Rebekia> I don't see colin as being irritating. People gotta learn to take more if that is irritating... [19:35] <Expelliarmas> In some ways, he reminds me of Peter Pettigrew [19:35] <Belenzie> of course, have we really seen him being annoying in the last two books- i don't think [19:35] <futureweasley> right, I think he will realize that, if he wants Harry to actually talk to him, he'll have to take a different tact [19:35] <fawkes28> especially if something happened to a member of his family - then he will grow up more quickly [19:35] <ProngsPatronus> he is a live wire--I think that is going to stay with him [19:36] <DumbleDebbie> that's what you can love about Colin , he'd take an AK for Harry [19:36] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, "overexcitable" is the word I would use. [19:36] <Islwyn13> agreed, fawkes, thoguh I hope nothing happens to Dennis [19:36] <Islwyn13> he's cute [19:36] <futureweasley> yes he would Debbie...I agree [19:36] <Narya> Agreed PP - it would be a shame if that facet of his personality went out of the window [19:36] <Val_Halla> lag [19:36] <SoonerGryffindor> Colin reminds me of a little overexcited puppy dog [19:36] <futureweasley> Barty Crouch, Sr., managed to climb his way up his the government ladder to come very close to becoming Minister. His son ended up a DE and Sr. got him out of Azkaban. He placed Jr. under an Invisibility Cloak. Put Bertha under such a strong memory charm he damaged her memory forever. He sacked Winky. Did you hate Barty, Sr., or did you feel sorry for him? Why? [19:36] <ProngsPatronus> lol, sg [19:36] <DumbleDebbie> lol Sooner [19:37] <Islwyn13> oo, there's one to hate [19:37] <fawkes28> i hate him [19:37] <MrMcGonagall> I wrinkle my nose at him. [19:37] <Rebekia> I feel sorry for him [19:37] <Val_Halla> I felt very sorry for BC Sr [19:37] <SoonerGryffindor> there is one to hate [19:37] <Narya> Barty certainly didn't make himself a very likeable character [19:37] <DumbleDebbie> I feel bad for him [19:37] <adamgryff> I don't care for him at all [19:37] <ProngsPatronus> I dislike him on the extreme end [19:37] <futureweasley> I bite my thumb at BCS [19:37] <Aislinn> now, he is a character that was truly hate-filled [19:37] <SoonerGryffindor> well, Percy doesnt hate him.... [19:37] <MrMcGonagall> I just sort of feel distaste for BC Sr. [19:37] <Ginnyous> I feel bad for him too [19:37] <Narya> I agree, Mr McG [19:37] <ProngsPatronus> but I reserve hate for very few characters [19:37] <fawkes28> i don't feel sorry for him at all [19:37] <futureweasley> what, you are going to take Weatherbys word for it, Sooner? [19:37] <Islwyn13> oh, I don't feel bad for him [19:37] <Expelliarmas> I hated him at first, but later on as he lay dying, he recognize that everything that happened was, in fact, his fault [19:37] <gryffindelle> hate him [19:37] <Val_Halla> He tried to correct his mistakes - in vain [19:38] <Islwyn13> how? [19:38] <Ginnyous> he didn;t know how to treat his family [19:38] <Aislinn> he did try to correct his mistakes [19:38] <Belenzie> i think barty hated himself, and its difficult to hate someone who hates themself [19:38] <Expelliarmas> his arrogance and blindness caught up with him in the end [19:38] <gryffindelle> but not that much [19:38] <Aislinn> but it was too little, too late [19:38] <Rebekia> I felt soooooo bad for him when he's like trying to fight against the curse at the end and crawling at harry from the woods? Oh man..the way she decribes him. i really didnt enjoy him, but i felt saddness at that point. [19:38] <Islwyn13> by placing his wife in Azkaban and keeping his son imprisoned in his home and mind? [19:38] <Val_Halla> The way he struggled against the Imperius Curse brought tears to my eyes [19:38] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that Barty Sr is also there to show us what Percy could turn into if he keeps up on the track that he is on [19:38] <MrMcGonagall> Lo, how the mighty are fallen . . . [19:38] <ProngsPatronus> well, the Winky thing left a very bad taste in my mouth [19:38] <Ginnyous> HE did but it was to late unfortunately [19:38] <Aislinn> yes sooner [19:38] <harryfreak359> Hmmm...I don't hate him, but I don't know if I like him very much either [19:38] <futureweasley> he was power hungry to the point of obsession, and his thrist for that power ruined many lives [19:38] <Narya> I think that Barty Crouch tried his best, but he failed because of his obsession with status - he forgot what was important [19:38] <Expelliarmas> Well, in fairness, Islwyn, it seems the wife came up with that half-baked idea [19:38] <fawkes28> he just got too tied up in his job to realize what was really important in life [19:38] <DumbleDebbie> good point Sooner [19:38] <harryfreak359> I think that the correct word for my feelings toward him would be dislike [19:39] <SoonerGryffindor> He cared more about his reputation than he did about the people around him [19:39] <MrMcGonagall> Dangerously zealous and self-righteous. [19:39] <Rebekia> In all hoesnty Crouch did EVERYTHING he did out of love for his family. Even if it didn't look like it?! He did it all out of Love and lost everything to Evil. [19:39] <Aislinn> I find him fascinating, as Jo is showing how people who are trying to achieve the right goal can choose to do exactly the wrong thing to achieve it [19:39] <Islwyn13> he allowed the UC's to be used [19:39] <Islwyn13> and imprisoned people without trial (Sirius) [19:39] <Aislinn> no he didn't rebekia, in my opinion [19:39] <Val_Halla> He was mean to Winky to protect his son [19:39] <SoonerGryffindor> no Rebekia, crouch did everything for his own public image [19:39] <SoonerGryffindor> not love [19:39] <Aislinn> a lot of it was for ambition and power [19:39] <futureweasley> right Aislinn...that's so interesting because it's real [19:39] <Islwyn13> I dont' think he was thinking of his family [19:39] <Rebekia> He loved his wife [19:39] <gryffindelle> he's horrible [19:39] <futureweasley> it happens like that a lot [19:39] <Islwyn13> but ignored her during the trial of his son [19:39] <Rebekia> he wanted to respect her wishes [19:39] <Islwyn13> he was too wrapped up in how HE felt [19:39] <Islwyn13> how his image had been damaged [19:40] <Aislinn> after his son had gone bad enough to turn to the dark side [19:40] <ProngsPatronus> I think he loved his blood status and position way too much [19:40] <Rebekia> I think he was a man caught in a snare and was fighting to do good by them again [19:40] <Expelliarmas> he loved his wife, but he loved the power which went with his office more--and he desperately wanted to be MoM [19:40] <Ginnyous> he was to power obses to realy think about his family [19:40] <Aislinn> agreed prongs [19:40] <Islwyn13> I"m not sure he knew that for sure, though [19:40] <SoonerGryffindor> I think his wife is as close as he ever got to "loving" someone, but I dont know if I would classify it as "real love" [19:40] <DumbleDebbie> how does breaking Jr out of Azkaban help Sr.'s reputation? [19:40] <Aislinn> and his decsion to use unforgivables was the wrong one, imo [19:40] <Islwyn13> I think the accusation was enough for Crouch, and the fact that it was true was coincidence [19:40] <ProngsPatronus> that is just like loving a possession, though [19:40] <Rebekia> Exactly! [19:40] <Islwyn13> that didn't, but he kept his son locked up [19:40] <MrMcGonagall> Somewhere deep down there was a good person in BC Sr. [19:40] <fawkes28> yes, aislinn, it was very unthical [19:40] <Islwyn13> and under the imperius curse [19:40] <Islwyn13> cruel for anyone [19:40] <Ginnyous> he loved his son but hated what he becamr I think [19:40] <MrMcGonagall> Very deep down. [19:40] <Islwyn13> even crouch Jr [19:41] <Narya> He's a character with a lot of issues to confront in his own life - that dictated how he behaved [19:41] <Expelliarmas> Well, Debbie, by then his reputation no longer mattered very much, Fudge had become MoM [19:41] <Rebekia> and hiding him against ministry wishes. He was risking everything for his wifes choice to help his son!! That was love for her [19:41] <Val_Halla> Dumbledore seemed friendly to him and that's good enough for me [19:41] <futureweasley> ivy overgrown MrMcG [19:41] <futureweasley> Barty Crouch, Jr., served LV as a DE. Along with other DEs, he tortured the Longbottoms into insanity. He escaped his father, took over Moody’s identity, murdered his dad, and was instrumental in LV’s return. For his reward, he had got a “kiss.” Did you hate Jr. or not? Why? [19:41] <Aislinn> barty jr became what he did, in part because of the way he was treated by Sr [19:41] <Rebekia> Expel-- no one know his rep. didnt matter much but him! [19:41] <Expelliarmas> Meanwhile, he put such a strong curse on Bertha that he damaged her memory forever [19:41] <Islwyn13> OH, I agree he had some love for his wife, but not enough [19:41] <ProngsPatronus> he hates the Dark Arts more than James Potter did--but his methods for combating them looked just like the evil he was fighting [19:41] <SoonerGryffindor> ooooh, Barty Jr was a piece of work, wasnt he? [19:41] <Islwyn13> that too, Expie, I'd forgotten! [19:41] <futureweasley> I loved Barty Crouch Jr when he was impersonating Moody...I wish the REAL Moody was that cool! [19:41] <DumbleDebbie> Jr, him I can 'hate" [19:41] <Ginnyous> yes but some people have bad parents and don't go out and kill people [19:42] <Aislinn> exactly Prongs - that is what is so deplorable about him [19:42] <Val_Halla> Jr was evil way beyond what his father caused him to be [19:42] <MrMcGonagall> Thoroughly corrupted. [19:42] <fawkes28> i agree, future [19:42] <Narya> Barty Crouch Jr didn't have much of an example either - a case of "bad fathers" again [19:42] <Rebekia> Not to be devils advocate, but there was a bit of me not hating Jr. too...He did turn draco into a ferret [19:42] <Islwyn13> I wonder why he was so emphatic about his "innocence" durin ghis trial... [19:42] <SoonerGryffindor> Barty Jr helped with what happened to the Longbottoms. For that I will hate him [19:42] <Expelliarmas> I disagree Rebekia, by the time of Jr.'s escape, Sr knew he'd never be MoM--he could risk the escape [19:42] <Islwyn13> I would have expected him to behave more like Bella did [19:42] <ProngsPatronus> yes, Sooner [19:42] <gryffindelle> hate him [19:42] <Ginnyous> you make your own choices in life [19:42] <fawkes28> but we can't make excuses for these people just because they had a bad childhood [19:42] <DumbleDebbie> oh that's right Sooner, I forgot about that :bruce: [19:42] <Aislinn> he was only a teen islwyn [19:42] <Belenzie> well he did US a favour by turning draco into a ferret [19:42] <Belenzie> [19:42] <Expelliarmas> There's no explanation for Jr's turn to the DEs. While he might have felt slighted by Sr his mother doted on him [19:42] <DumbleDebbie> right FW [19:43] <SoonerGryffindor> okay, he did earn some brownie points in dturning Draco to a ferret [19:43] <futureweasley> for Barty Crouch Jr seemed to have an upbringing much like our other favorite slimeball...daddy didn't give affection and the boy was something his mommy won't wear [19:43] <Islwyn13> so did his extreme devotion to LV occur before that trial, or while he was in his father's "care"? [19:43] <Val_Halla> I agree Exp [19:43] <adamgryff> he tried to kill Harry too [19:43] <Islwyn13> Bella was young, too [19:43] <MrMcGonagall> But didn't he reall turn Draco into a ferret as a way of vicariously punishing the father, in a way? [19:43] <Expelliarmas> I think so MrM [19:43] <Val_Halla> I think so Mr McG [19:43] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, but it made me laugh [19:43] <Aislinn> probably Mr M [19:43] <futureweasley> I think so MrMcG...he didn't like Lucius at all [19:43] <fawkes28> if we excused all of the people that had "bad" childhoods, then the world would be in chaos [19:43] <Belenzie> thats how i took it mcgo [19:43] <DumbleDebbie> goodpoint mr M [19:43] <futureweasley> or any other DE for that matter [19:43] <Aislinn> yes fawkes This post has been edited by futureweasley: Nov 15 2006, 09:40 PM |
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