Wize Wizard Wednesday Chat 11/15/06, Characters We LOVE to Hate (Part 1 of 2) |
 Nov 15 2006, 09:16 PM
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Today's Moderators: Aislinn, SoonerGryffindor, Fawkes28, Expelliarmas and futureweasley
[18:59] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [18:59] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [18:59] <futureweasley> hi guys [18:59] <SoonerGryffindor> hey [19:00] <ProngsPatronus> hey there [19:00] <Aislinn> hey sooner! [19:00] <SoonerGryffindor> hey Aislinn [19:00] <SoonerGryffindor> I got in on the first try, which is good [19:00] <Aislinn> that is great [19:00] <futureweasley> will Expie be here tonight? [19:00] <SoonerGryffindor> yay for new servers [19:00] <Aislinn> hopefully we'll continue with positive performance [19:00] <SoonerGryffindor> I bet she stops in [19:00] <Aislinn> probably for part of it [19:01] <fawkes28> woo hoo for our chat tonight [19:01] <futureweasley> oh fawkes [19:01] <fawkes28> [19:01] *** cbm has joined #lounge [19:01] <Aislinn> hi cbm [19:01] <fawkes28> hi cbm [19:01] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [19:01] <ProngsPatronus> hi, cbm [19:01] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [19:01] *** Rebekia has joined #lounge [19:01] <futureweasley> hi Debbie [19:01] <futureweasley> hi Rebekia [19:01] <ProngsPatronus> hi, debbie [19:02] <fawkes28> hi debbie and rebekia [19:02] <Rebekia> aww hey everyone! [19:02] <DumbleDebbie> hiya anyone bash Snape yet? [19:02] <Aislinn> [19:02] <Aislinn> hello, folks from Maine! [19:02] <Rebekia> [19:02] <DumbleDebbie> lol Aislinn [19:02] <fawkes28> there is no snape bashing, debbie [19:02] <futureweasley> lol Debbie...not this week [19:02] <Rebekia> I was thinking I'd be the first one in...drats [19:02] <DumbleDebbie> not even from you future? wow! [19:02] <SoonerGryffindor> yay for no Snape bashing this week [19:02] <ProngsPatronus> thank the hundred little gods [19:03] <DumbleDebbie> lol Sooner [19:03] *** Islwyn13 has joined #lounge [19:03] <futureweasley> he's not to be discussed this week [19:03] <futureweasley> hi Islwyn [19:03] <fawkes28> hi islwyn [19:03] *** stewiegryf has joined #lounge [19:03] *** cbm has joined #lounge [19:03] <Aislinn> not this week, but it is inevitable, really ;) [19:03] <Islwyn13> Greetings, all [19:03] <futureweasley> hey stewie [19:03] <Aislinn> hi [19:03] <stewiegryf> hello! [19:03] <Rebekia> Hi Islwyn and STEWIE!! [19:03] <ProngsPatronus> hey, all [19:03] <fawkes28> hi stewie [19:03] <Islwyn13> who's not to be discussed? as if I couldn't guess? [19:03] <SoonerGryffindor> good to see you taking a study break Stewie [19:03] <fawkes28> but next week should be fun mwahaha [19:03] <futureweasley> lol Isl [19:03] <DumbleDebbie> apparently not who you'd think Isl [19:03] <stewiegryf> only a short one [19:03] <stewiegryf> [19:03] <ProngsPatronus> what is it for next week? [19:04] *** Punky has joined #lounge [19:04] <futureweasley> awww [19:04] <SoonerGryffindor> next week Snuffles may have a seizure [19:04] *** Val_Halla has joined #lounge [19:04] <futureweasley> My Punky!! [19:04] <DumbleDebbie> brb [19:04] *** DumbleDebbie left #lounge [] [19:04] <SoonerGryffindor> we divided this chat into 2 parts [19:04] <Rebekia> Hiya Punky...Val Halla!!! [19:04] <Punky> My Future! [19:04] <SoonerGryffindor> alphabetical order [19:04] <Islwyn13> really? Snape's not the one who's off the table? [19:04] <fawkes28> snape will be one of the people we talk about next week [19:04] <futureweasley> hi Val [19:04] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [19:04] <Islwyn13> okee, dokee [19:04] <ProngsPatronus> what6 is the topic for next week [19:04] <Val_Halla> hi all [19:04] <Aislinn> there are so many characters that it is possible to hate, that they won't all fit into tonight's discussion [19:04] <SoonerGryffindor> part 2 [19:04] <Rebekia> can i ask a quick question? [19:04] <Islwyn13> no problem, plenty of other people to desparage [19:04] <SoonerGryffindor> sure [19:04] <Aislinn> so we will do half tonight and half next week [19:04] <ProngsPatronus> oh [19:05] <futureweasley> lol, 2 full weeks of playa' hatin'! [19:05] <SoonerGryffindor> a-k tonight, l-z next week I think [19:05] <fawkes28> but plenty of fun both nights! [19:05] <Islwyn13> blast! tht means no Umbridge either...*sigh* [19:05] <Aislinn> awww, they all just need a big hug [19:05] <Rebekia> How do i make the colours show up in the colour pull down menu? I always just randomly blindly choose?? [19:05] <Aislinn> [19:05] <Islwyn13> I'll contain my hatred of that one for another week...barely [19:05] <futureweasley> LOL Aislinn [19:05] <fawkes28> there are lots of characters we can hate [19:05] <DumbleDebbie> or a smack upside the head Aislinn [19:05] <SoonerGryffindor> that's why I was saying next week Snuffles may have a seizure Islwyn [19:05] <Islwyn13> group counseling, definitely [19:05] <Aislinn> yeah, or that debbie [19:05] <DumbleDebbie> use FireFox Rebekia [19:06] <Islwyn13> lol, sooner! [19:06] <futureweasley> there should be a drop down menu Reb [19:06] <DumbleDebbie> they don't show in Safari [19:06] <futureweasley> !botsnack [19:06] * Snuffles munches on a yummy treat [19:06] *** Narya has joined #lounge [19:06] <Rebekia> Yea, so no to safari? ohh...thats why i never see them? [19:06] <futureweasley> good lil' Snuffles [19:06] <futureweasley> hi Narya [19:06] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome Narya [19:06] <Islwyn13> Heya, Narya [19:06] <Aislinn> hey narya! [19:06] <Rebekia> brb..i'll be quick! [19:06] <Narya> Hi all! [19:06] <ProngsPatronus> heya, Narya [19:06] <DumbleDebbie> yep Reb [19:06] <Aislinn> glad you joined us [19:06] <Narya> Hi PP [19:06] <fawkes28> hi narya [19:07] * ProngsPatronus ponders the wonders of technology [19:07] <stewiegryf> Tonight is my last chem lab of the year which means I'll be able to actually stay for most of the WWW chats from now on! [19:07] <futureweasley> I don't want to jinx it, but the booth has had a bit of an "upgrade"...so I hope this good fortune continues!! [19:07] <Narya> *Narya scratches her head vaguely* [19:07] <DumbleDebbie> yay Stewie! [19:08] *** Rebekia has quit [Bye] [19:08] *** Rebekia has joined #lounge [19:08] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, we test drove it yesterday, but tonight will be the real test [19:08] <ProngsPatronus> what kind of upgrade? [19:08] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [19:08] <futureweasley> hi harryfreak [19:08] <stewiegryf> hey hf! [19:08] <DumbleDebbie> hey HF [19:08] <harryfreak359> Hi! [19:08] <Val_Halla> Hi hf [19:08] <futureweasley> we got a new server [19:08] <ProngsPatronus> hi, hf [19:08] <Punky> hi HF [19:08] <SoonerGryffindor> new server. No idea beyond that [19:09] <harryfreak359> oh really? [19:09] <Aislinn> we got moved onto a new server [19:09] <fawkes28> hello hf! [19:09] <ProngsPatronus> ooo--cool! [19:09] <stewiegryf> whoo hoo! [19:09] <harryfreak359> nice! [19:09] <ProngsPatronus> does that mean not as much lag? [19:09] <harryfreak359> hi everyone! [19:09] <Aislinn> so it should help with performance, we hope! [19:09] <fawkes28> woo hoo is right stewie! [19:09] <stewiegryf> shiny new server! [19:09] <futureweasley> that deserves a woot if anything ever did!! [19:09] <SoonerGryffindor> hopefully [19:09] <DumbleDebbie> cool [19:09] <Aislinn> that's what we're hoping, prongs [19:09] <Rebekia> Hey HarryFreak [19:09] <Islwyn13> Heya, hf [19:09] <harryfreak359> Yeah! [19:09] <Aislinn> hey harryfreak [19:09] <fawkes28> maybe your computer will like the new one, hf [19:09] <SoonerGryffindor> like I said, we tested it, but only so much we could do with just a few of us [19:09] <stewiegryf> I think you've had enough of the other word in the Great Hall for awhile, fawkes [19:09] <harryfreak359> Hopefully Fawkes... [19:09] <Aislinn> tonight will be the acid test [19:10] <ProngsPatronus> I am sure it will get a workout tonight! [19:10] *** MrMcGonagall has joined #lounge [19:10] <Islwyn13> I'm sitting here thinking, and most of the people I hate in this series are in the last half of the alphabet... [19:10] <harryfreak359> woot! [19:10] <Islwyn13> hmm.. [19:10] <Aislinn> hi Mr M [19:10] <DumbleDebbie> hey Mr M! [19:10] <Rebekia> Mr. M!!!! [19:10] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, everybody1 [19:10] <fawkes28> hi mr. m [19:10] <stewiegryf> he Mr. M! [19:10] *** adamgryff has joined #lounge [19:10] <Islwyn13> Heya, Mr. M [19:10] <harryfreak359> Hey Mr.McG! [19:10] <futureweasley> hiya adam [19:10] <Aislinn> hey adam [19:10] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Islwyn, I'm sure we'll get to a few of the ones you hate tonight as well [19:10] <fawkes28> hi adam! [19:10] <Islwyn13> Heya, adam! [19:10] <futureweasley> hi MrMcG [19:10] <ProngsPatronus> hey, mr. m [19:10] <SoonerGryffindor> hey adam, hey Mr M [19:10] <adamgryff> hi everyone [19:10] <harryfreak359> Hi Adam!!! [19:10] <DumbleDebbie> hi adam [19:10] <MrMcGonagall> fw was all in a panic I wouldn't be able to make it tonight. [19:10] <futureweasley> welcome guys! [19:10] <adamgryff> thanks for all your support [19:10] <Rebekia> Adam!!!!! [19:10] <harryfreak359> lol [19:10] <Rebekia> this is going to be a good chat [19:10] <harryfreak359> yes [19:11] <futureweasley> lol, I was MrMcG..."freaking out" would be the term I would use [19:11] <harryfreak359> lol [19:11] <fawkes28> lol [19:11] <ProngsPatronus> oo--adam! hi :-) [19:11] <DumbleDebbie> lol [19:11] <MrMcGonagall> Actually, fw, I think you booed. [19:11] <adamgryff> Hi! PP [19:11] <futureweasley> I had to put on my "brave face" for you [19:11] <futureweasley> LOL [19:11] <fawkes28> lol [19:11] <DumbleDebbie> uh-oh, you don't want FW booing you ;) [19:11] <Rebekia> PP! wow i know so many of you. [19:12] <ProngsPatronus> hey, rebekia [19:12] <MrMcGonagall> What would a Wednesday night be without the WWW chat. [19:12] <ProngsPatronus> boring [19:12] <futureweasley> right, my thoughts exactly [19:12] <DumbleDebbie> Wednesday night? [19:12] <adamgryff> I couldn't miss this one I've been voting for it for weeks now [19:12] * futureweasley looks for the 2X4 [19:12] <DumbleDebbie> [19:12] <Islwyn13> just another day of the week [19:12] <SoonerGryffindor> a boring day of the week [19:12] * DumbleDebbie ducks FW's attempted blow [19:12] <futureweasley> it should be a good one, Adam...Expie did a great job with the questions [19:13] <SoonerGryffindor> lol... yes she did [19:13] <harryfreak359> Yay! [19:13] <harryfreak359> Can't wait! [19:13] <fawkes28> the corner booth is the place to be on wednesday nights! [19:13] <ProngsPatronus> me, either [19:13] <Islwyn13> I want questions! *prepares for temper tantrum* [19:13] <Aislinn> but people may have to be patient about getting to their favorite - love-to-hate-character [19:13] *** gryffindelle has joined #lounge [19:13] <Aislinn> there are so many of them, that we are taking them in 2 doses [19:13] <Islwyn13> Umbridge, *sigh* [19:13] <ProngsPatronus> hey--I am an equal opportunity hater [19:13] <futureweasley> yes, good point Aislinn...patience is a virtue [19:13] <Aislinn> hi gryff [19:13] *** coach has joined #lounge [19:13] <SoonerGryffindor> I second that. I promise we have lots and lots of them [19:13] <futureweasley> lol PP [19:13] <DumbleDebbie> hi gryffindelle [19:13] <futureweasley> hi coach [19:13] <fawkes28> oh, i can wait, aislinn mwahahaha [19:13] <coach> hello [19:13] <futureweasley> hi gryffindelle [19:13] <SoonerGryffindor> hey coach [19:13] <Punky> lol PP [19:14] <DumbleDebbie> hi coach [19:14] <Narya> Hi coach!! [19:14] <gryffindelle> hallo [19:14] <stewiegryf> I'm with you Islwyn...we'll have to be very patient [19:14] <gryffindelle> did i miss anything? [19:14] <ProngsPatronus> woohoo--hey, coach! [19:14] <Islwyn13> Heya, coach and gryff [19:14] <Islwyn13> nope [19:14] <Aislinn> nope, we're starting in a minute [19:14] <futureweasley> nope, gryff...just about to start [19:14] <SoonerGryffindor> we are about to get started [19:14] <ProngsPatronus> hey, gryff [19:14] <Rebekia> we're getting settled in [19:14] * Islwyn13 pops popcorn [19:14] <gryffindelle> yay! [19:14] <Rebekia> I'm trying to think about who i hate... [19:14] * Islwyn13 pops open butterbeers [19:15] <Narya> *Narya settles for an apple* [19:15] <Rebekia> oh in HP i mean [19:15] <adamgryff> still wants some of rebekia cake [19:15] * cbm popcorn sounds good, I have a salad [19:15] <futureweasley> yum! thanks for the snack Isl [19:15] <Rebekia> didn't that look amazing?!! Yeah i think i want to try to make it [19:15] <Islwyn13> hating is hungry work ;) [19:15] * stewiegryf will take all of the above [19:15] <Aislinn> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You’re not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you’ll be able to type again soon. [19:15] <Aislinn> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod [19:15] <Aislinn> You won’t be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it” in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [19:16] <Aislinn> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [19:16] <Aislinn> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [19:16] <futureweasley> All right folks, tonight’s chat involves characters we love to hate. Jo does a brilliant job giving these miserable characters depth and complexity. We have a laundry list of these interesting characters spanning from Philosopher’s/Sorcerer’s Stone to Half-Blood Prince and all points within. [19:16] <futureweasley> You will find some characters have been thrown under the Knight Bus. We will proceed in an alphabetical order. Due to the sheer number of dubious characters, we've divided this chat into two parts. Tonight we go from A-K. Next Wednesday, we'll chat about characters whose surnames begin with the letters L-Z. [19:16] *** Val_Halla left #lounge [] [19:16] <futureweasley> Don’t get anxious if we don’t get to your most loathsome character right away. We'll get to them all. Ready? Let’s get right to it! [19:16] <futureweasley> Ludo Bagman makes his appearance in GoF–talking loud and taking bets. Bagman welshes on his bet with the twins, owes Goblins a load of gold, and tries to fix the Tri-Wizard Tournament so Harry wins. He tried to fix the Tournament. He passed information to the DEs. Did you hate Bagman? Why? [19:17] <SoonerGryffindor> Oooh, I love to hate Ludo [19:17] *** Val_Halla has joined #lounge [19:17] <harryfreak359> No, I was more just annoyed with him... [19:17] <ProngsPatronus> annoying git [19:17] <Islwyn13> nah, I don't hate him [19:17] *** Belenzie has joined #lounge [19:17] <Aislinn> I didn't hate him, but he certainly wasn't anyone to be respected [19:17] <fawkes28> my thoughts exactly HF [19:17] <Narya> I didn't hate Ludo - he was just a bit of an idiot [19:17] <gryffindelle> i agree hf [19:17] <MrMcGonagall> I don't really hate him. I just think he fills the dumb jock bill. [19:17] <Islwyn13> he needs Gamblers Anonymous [19:17] <cbm> Strong dislike, hate is a strong word [19:17] <futureweasley> Ludo was a dork...and a liar...I can't stand liars!! [19:17] <adamgryff> I was just completely annoyed at his character [19:17] <DumbleDebbie> he's too pathetic to hate [19:17] <SoonerGryffindor> head of the sports department betting on games [19:17] <futureweasley> lol Debbie [19:17] <stewiegryf> exactly debbie [19:17] <Aislinn> agreed debbie [19:17] <Islwyn13> stealing children's fortunes [19:17] <harryfreak359> I didn't have any deep hatred for him, but I didn't like what he did [19:18] <gryffindelle> yes debbie [19:18] <Islwyn13> that got me [19:18] <Belenzie> i just remembered it was happening tonight!! and to think i was just about to go on mugglenetchat [19:18] <ProngsPatronus> I was underwhelmed by his character [19:18] <fawkes28> i don't dislike him i just think he isn't the smartest person [19:18] <Rebekia> I don't hate him either. He's obnoxious and a little bit of a scumball, but...I don't know he's not evil enough for the term Hate to be used. [19:18] <ProngsPatronus> or lack of one [19:18] <Val_Halla> I kinda like Ludo, although I wouldn't trust him [19:18] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, sirius conflict of interst there Sooner [19:18] <fawkes28> i also think he took one too many bludgers to the head [19:18] <futureweasley> he was just so manipulative...it was really hard not to loathe him [19:18] <Islwyn13> I don't think he passed info to the DEs deliberately [19:18] <coach> I think he's an accurate portrayal of a former athlete [19:18] <Islwyn13> probably pulled a "Stan", talking out of turn [19:18] <DumbleDebbie> lol fawkes [19:18] <cbm> An ex-athlete with a gambling problem, pathetic is the right word [19:18] <fawkes28> ludo is just a "big kid" [19:18] <Islwyn13> trying to look important [19:18] <futureweasley> what he did to the Twins and their "savings"...it was an outrage and a scandel [19:18] <SoonerGryffindor> well, I will use "hate" here and not mean the actual definition if you know what I mean. [19:18] <Belenzie> to thickheaded to do that [19:18] <Aislinn> it was an outrage [19:18] <coach> many fall into gambling because it's the only way they can feel that competitive rush [19:18] <Rebekia> He's not sneaky enough though at what he does...Yeah isl..he's just got issues with gambling and not paying back his debts [19:18] <MrMcGonagall> Not the kind of person I'd want as my friend, but also not somebody I would wish to be thrown under the Knight bus. [19:19] <fawkes28> good point, coach [19:19] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree coach [19:19] <fawkes28> lol mr. m [19:19] <Aislinn> and he was also unethical in the way he kept trying to help Harry, not for Harry's sake, but because he was trying to win a bet [19:19] <SoonerGryffindor> who else thought "Pete Rose" when they first read about Ludo betting on sports [19:19] <Narya> I don't think he meant to be nasty to the twins - he just couldn't help himself [19:19] <Rebekia> Yeah i think we should just tie him onto the back bumper of the knight bus..not under it [19:19] <cbm> He needs gambler anonymous! [19:19] <Belenzie> and he lost his when he left quidditch playing [19:19] <DumbleDebbie> lol Mr M [19:19] <harryfreak359> lol Mr.McG [19:19] <futureweasley> yes, and he was a washed up quidditch player still seeking the thrill of competition [19:19] <Aislinn> ooh, good comparison sooner [19:19] <fawkes28> yes, aislinn, he was very unethical [19:19] <ProngsPatronus> I think he was on the end of one too many Wronski feints [19:19] <Islwyn13> he's certainly not someone I like, but I reserve hate for others *cough* Umbridge *cough* [19:19] <futureweasley> lol...totally Pete Rose [19:19] <coach> Jordan is still a notorious gambler [19:19] <Islwyn13> I found bagman mostly annoying [19:20] <Val_Halla> I agree PP [19:20] <Belenzie> yeah there ARE worse ministry officials [19:20] <harryfreak359> yes, me too Islwyn [19:20] <ProngsPatronus> exactly, fw [19:20] <cbm> But Jordon never bet on a sport he was involved in [19:20] <SoonerGryffindor> and that is the difference. Ludo could have directly affected the match [19:20] <Belenzie> gretzky did.......i mean his wife [19:20] <coach> right, I'm talking about after retiring [19:20] *** mammaprince has joined #lounge [19:20] <Islwyn13> he was certainly set up nicely, though...I thought he was the bad guy for most of GoF [19:20] <MrMcGonagall> The thing I find most troubling about Bagman is that most of his shenanigans have some pretty serious consequences, even though he doesn't intend them. [19:20] <coach> he did try to tamper with the tournament, someone mentioned that earlier [19:21] <ProngsPatronus> he is such a loose cannon [19:21] <coach> consequences to himself imparticular [19:21] <SoonerGryffindor> exactly Mr M [19:21] <SoonerGryffindor> he is a menace [19:21] <futureweasley> yes, like the fact that he was accused of trifling with Death Eaters [19:21] <Aislinn> yes, Mr M, just like back when he passed information unknowingly for the dark side [19:21] <futureweasley> that is quite serious [19:21] <Narya> He's very naive, isn't he .. he just doesn't think about the consequences [19:21] <Aislinn> he doesn't,, you're right narya [19:21] <harryfreak359> Yeah Narya [19:21] <harryfreak359> exactly [19:21] <Islwyn13> I was also annoyed with the behaviour of the witches on the Wizengamot during his trial [19:21] <coach> I think that's also typical of elite athletes [19:21] <DumbleDebbie> a child in a man's body Narya [19:21] <Val_Halla> He was pretty young when he passed information and IMO pretty dimwitted [19:21] <cbm> I think he is an addict, and his addiction is gambling. I think all else flows from that. [19:21] <Islwyn13> Professional, people, try to be professional! [19:21] <Rebekia> He definitely has been sort of wrapped up into one world too long..like gambling and sports... [19:21] <futureweasley> Bane and the other Centaurs. They seem as arrogant as the pure-blood Wizarding maniacs. Do you hate the herd? Why? [19:21] <stewiegryf> I agree...and naivity isn't something that should cause hatred [19:22] <Islwyn13> Bane's a creep [19:22] <Aislinn> I don't hate the herd at all [19:22] <gryffindelle> not really [19:22] <cbm> No [19:22] <DumbleDebbie> no I don't hate the heard [19:22] <Aislinn> Bane is a bit of a hot head [19:22] <Val_Halla> Not at all [19:22] <Narya> I don't hate the centaurs - but they're certaiinly very set in their ways [19:22] <Belenzie> is it just bagman tonight?? [19:22] <fawkes28> i don't like them [19:22] <Rebekia> Bane is pompus. He's like the Draco for the centaur world. [19:22] <ProngsPatronus> no--I got impatient with them, though [19:22] <Aislinn> no, bel [19:22] <gryffindelle> just get mad at them a lot [19:22] <coach> they've got a chip on their shoulder [19:22] <MrMcGonagall> No, I don't have a problem with centaurs. It's just their nature. [19:22] <ProngsPatronus> their self-absorption [19:22] <Islwyn13> I think most of them have either been treated badly personally, or knew someone who was, by wizards [19:22] <Narya> Bane is very rash and domineering [19:22] <futureweasley> I still love Firenze [19:22] <adamgryff> I don't hate the heard it's the way they are, but I would get impatient talking to one of them [19:22] <Islwyn13> and their bigotry developed from that [19:22] <Aislinn> they certainly suffer from the sin of excess pride [19:22] <coach> do we know how long they live? [19:22] <fawkes28> i did highly dislike them for the way they treated firenze [19:22] <Islwyn13> firenze is awesome, agreed [19:23] * MrMcGonagall starts thinking about an fw/Firenze ship. [19:23] <DumbleDebbie> I can't blame them for wanting to stay separate [19:23] <Narya> Firenze is the most likeable of them all, and seems to be the most reasonable [19:23] <futureweasley> but I don't like the rest of the herd...I think they are a bit reckless and dangerous [19:23] <cbm> Wizards have probably not treated them well and their attitudes probably come from that. [19:23] <DumbleDebbie> lol Mr M [19:23] <futureweasley> oh, MrMcG...you are gonna get it! [19:23] <Rebekia> They are a bit like the ilitess though and wanting to close out other kinds like wizards...much like the Malfoys and pureblood issues [19:23] <Islwyn13> I can blame them for wanting to hurt children, though [19:23] <Rebekia> Bane is the worse of them [19:23] <adamgryff> lol Mr.McG [19:23] *** DumbleDebbie left #lounge [] [19:23] <Val_Halla> I like the centaurs. they have their own code and don't kowtow to wizards [19:23] <Aislinn> I think bane is really the worst - Magorian seems much more reasonable, for instance [19:23] <fawkes28> but they didn't have to act the way they did with firenze, which made me mad [19:23] <Belenzie> do you think we'll ever see the females or their "village"? [19:23] <MrMcGonagall> Bane does seem to be the ringleader of the centaurs. [19:23] <SoonerGryffindor> Its their attitude that I hate more than their characters [19:23] <MrMcGonagall> Or the rabble rouser. [19:23] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [19:23] <Belenzie> isn't magorian?? [19:24] <Belenzie> ...the leader/ [19:24] <fawkes28> i don't think bane is ever going to change [19:24] <Narya> I wonder if JKR named Bane specifically [19:24] <Islwyn13> that's the impression I got, yeah, Bel [19:24] <coach> likely [19:24] <SoonerGryffindor> very good observation Narya [19:24] <Aislinn> I thought magorian was in the first book anyway [19:24] <Islwyn13> yeah, she did [19:24] <fawkes28> he is never going to respect firenze again [19:24] <stewiegryf> Isn't that one in the same Sooner? Their attitude is representative of their characters? [19:24] <Narya> I think JKR gave us a very subtle clue there [19:24] *** DumbleDebbie left #lounge [] [19:24] <Islwyn13> I don't think Bane respects anyone [19:24] <futureweasley> I worried about their intentions...they say they aren't servant, but aren't willing to even help. That kind of attitude points to deep hater and fear [19:24] <SoonerGryffindor> well, not necessarily [19:24] <Aislinn> it would make sense narya [19:24] <ProngsPatronus> perhaps Firenze will not respect bane, either [19:24] <Islwyn13> he's very hateful [19:24] <Narya> I don't think he does either [19:24] <Aislinn> she is so pointed with her naming [19:24] <gryffindelle> lag... [19:24] <cbm> I don't think that JK ever names anything without a lot of thinking [19:25] <Val_Halla> Bane is definitely the hothead centaur [19:25] <coach> fw, that's right, they don't compromise [19:25] <gryffindelle> yes val [19:25] <harryfreak359> \yes [19:25] <futureweasley> hard headed...like some other people I know [19:25] <coach> they are very hardline [19:25] <MrMcGonagall> I have to head out, but I'll be right back - just switching buildings, which means switching wireless networks. [19:25] <Narya> Not with an impulsive and embittered centaur at their head, no [19:25] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [19:25] <futureweasley> *me* [19:25] <Aislinn> but isn't that in part due to the fact that they are treated like lesser beings by the wizards FW? [19:25] <SoonerGryffindor> cya in a moment then Mr M [19:25] *** MrMcGonagall left #lounge [] [19:25] <ProngsPatronus> lol, fw [19:25] <stewiegryf> lol future [19:25] <Val_Halla> I kind of think of the centaurs as being like the native americans were to the white settlers [19:25] <fawkes28> but two wrongs don't make a right, aislinn [19:25] <SoonerGryffindor> no idea Aislinn [19:25] <futureweasley> I haven't yet seen the Centaurs treated as "lesser beings" by wizards [19:26] <Islwyn13> I wonder if it's like the prejudice wizards have for muggles... [19:26] <Narya> It's a bad move to treat centaurs as if they don't know or understand as much as others, and that shows in theier behaviour [19:26] <Val_Halla> They seem like violent savages but are just different [19:26] <futureweasley> that could have been in times passed, but it doesn't seem to hold true now [19:26] <Islwyn13> they were once treated badly by muggles, so a bigotry towards them devfeloped [19:26] <SoonerGryffindor> good comparison VH [19:26] <Aislinn> they are "regulated" by the same dept. as the house elves [19:26] <Rebekia> Yea i see wizards as being scared out of their mind by the centaurs.... [19:26] <futureweasley> Cho Chang! Yes, Harry’s first crush. We first meet her in PoA and again in GoF. We really get to know her and her sneak friend Marietta in OotP. Did you like Cho when you first met her? [19:26] <futureweasley> If you changed your opinion about Cho, when did you change it? What makes her so annoying? Is she annoying enough, however, to hate? [19:26] <Belenzie> owell they do have little interaction with them [19:26] <Islwyn13> lol, cho! [19:26] <SoonerGryffindor> hosepipe! [19:26] <Islwyn13> Totally not worthy of Harry! [19:26] *** Ginnyous has joined #lounge [19:26] <Rebekia> GAH! Evil Cho CHANG! She's a player and a temptress [19:26] <Aislinn> she was so annoying in OotP [19:26] <Belenzie> no i honestly didn't like her [19:26] <Val_Halla> Not really [19:26] <cbm> I never learned enough about her [19:26] <Islwyn13> ouch, Rebekia! [19:26] <Aislinn> I really couldn't see what Harry saw in her at all [19:26] <Islwyn13> I don't see that [19:26] <Narya> I didn't like Cho very much but I think JKR wrote her character quite deliberately to be unsympathetic [19:27] <coach> I thought she was realistic for Harry's first crush [19:27] <DumbleDebbie> I like her at first. she was cute. [19:27] <harryfreak359> I didn't really mind her in GoF, but I didn't like her one bit in OotP [19:27] <gryffindelle> i didn't like her, but i didn't hate her [19:27] <futureweasley> I feel for Cho...but then I was just annoyed by her. She's not the only one going through a hard time [19:27] <coach> the wet blanket girlfriend [19:27] <Islwyn13> she's a typical teenage girl..which is why I don't like her [19:27] <fawkes28> i think at first i didn't mind her [19:27] <ProngsPatronus> Cho--don't like her--she introduced a viper into the bosom of the DA [19:27] <Val_Halla> I liked her until she defended Marietta [19:27] <SoonerGryffindor> I actually thought she could have been a good character in PoA, but I didnt like her in GoF and hated her in OotP [19:27] *** SillyPutty has joined #lounge [19:27] <stewiegryf> I was pretty annoyed with Cho through much of OotP. But she seems to be a typical teen girl [19:27] <DumbleDebbie> she got annoying later on [19:27] <cbm> agreed Val [19:27] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome silly putty [19:27] <Aislinn> yes, PP, that was hard to forgive [19:27] <ProngsPatronus> yes [19:27] <Aislinn> just because, as a silly girl, she needed to have a friend come along [19:27] <Narya> She's not a very mature character at all [19:27] <Rebekia> isl-lol! yeah I didnt enjoy her sort of having eyes for only the person who was head honcho at the time [19:27] <Islwyn13> I don't think Cho realized the importance and danger of what htey were diong [19:27] <Rebekia> not a trait i like in people [19:27] <Islwyn13> she thought of it as a way to get close to Harry, I think [19:28] <Belenzie> heres a parrale that i like- cho's patronus appears to be a swan- and swans are monogomous (1 mate) for life, i feel that her reluctance to let go of cedric and her difficulty with harry kind of echoes that?? [19:28] <cbm> she was grieving, so I did not mind at first [19:28] <Aislinn> probably isl [19:28] <futureweasley> there's a Remus Lupin's song called "Ravenclaw Seeker"...it sums up perfectly how I feel about Cho. She is a temptress and quite "all about herself" [19:28] <SillyPutty> agreed FW [19:28] <Ginnyous> hy guys! [19:28] <Rebekia> FW--Thank you. Very much agree. She's all about the cute popular boy at school. [19:28] <SoonerGryffindor> hi gnnyous [19:28] <Islwyn13> yeah, that part bothered me...she didn't even consider how Harry must feel [19:28] <DumbleDebbie> hi ginny [19:28] <fawkes28> hi ginnyous [19:28] <Islwyn13> she just wanted sympathy adn attention because of how she felt about Cedric's death [19:28] <gryffindelle> hi ginnyous [19:28] <ProngsPatronus> temptress? one has to have some moxy for that role [19:28] <Islwyn13> distasteful [19:29] <Islwyn13> agreed, PP [19:29] <futureweasley> Vincent Crabbe, one of Draco Malfoy’s dolt bodyguards, he has a pudding-bowl haircut and doesn’t seem to speak a lot. Maybe he can’t as he tends to grunt and laugh sycophantically. Crabbe managed not to find a single, desperate girl to take to the Yule Ball. Crabbe may be a tad brighter than Goyle (which doesn’t say much). Is this a character you hate or pity? Why? [19:29] <Aislinn> I think she did think that Harry would share in her grieving, since he had experienced the death personally [19:29] <Ginnyous> who are we discusing [19:29] <Aislinn> crabbe now [19:29] *** MrMcGonagall has joined #lounge [19:29] <SoonerGryffindor> I cant stand crabbe [19:29] <cbm> Aislinn: pity [19:29] <mammaprince> whoom we love to hate I beleive [19:29] <gryffindelle> pity [19:29] <coach> he's a charicature [19:29] <DumbleDebbie> isn't that like saying the tree stump is brighter than the doorknob? [19:29] <Val_Halla> Crabbe is pretty 2 dimensional [19:29] <fawkes28> i don't pity crabbe [19:29] <adamgryff> Crabbe seems like hes just along for the ride with Draco [19:29] <Islwyn13> both Crabbe and Goyle are pitiable [19:29] <Islwyn13> yeah, Val, I agree [19:29] <Narya> I think I pity Crabbe a lot more than anything else - he doesn't even get to speak or to have a mind of his own without Draco [19:30] <futureweasley> I just think that Crabbe is a lost dog...he's too stupid to come up with any original thoughts, so he hands on to Draco's coat tails [19:30] <stewiegryf> lol debbie [19:30] <MrMcGonagall> I don't love to hate Crabbe. He's just a jerk. [19:30] <SillyPutty> neither? [19:30] <fawkes28> he makes his own choices [19:30] <harryfreak359> I don't pity them at all [19:30] <Ginnyous> I don't like him but he doesn't upset me to much [19:30] <Aislinn> he and goyle are pretty cardboard cutout, as characters [19:30] <ProngsPatronus> Crabbe, whether eh speaks or not, still makes his own choice to be Draco's muscle [19:30] <harryfreak359> nor do I hate him really...I just don't notice him [19:30] <Islwyn13> from what we've sween, though, they don't relaly have brains [19:30] <fawkes28> i feel no pity when people make the "Easy" choices and just follow a leader [19:30] <SillyPutty> i don't considered them anything more then lackeys - but i wonder how much of that is from their fathers relationship with lucious? [19:30] <Narya> Does he, PP? [19:30] <Islwyn13> I think they go where they are led, by Draco and their fathers [19:30] <stewiegryf> I'd say both...I hate how he doesn't think for himself, but I did feel a twinge of pity for hiim at the end of HBP [19:30] <ProngsPatronus> yes [19:30] *** PerfectlyMMAD has joined #lounge [19:30] <Rebekia> Nah..crabbe isn't smart enough for me to hate. (and i mean that in the sense that he's just...he doesnt know any better?) [19:30] <Narya> Does he have a choice or is he too stupid? [19:30] <Aislinn> that's a good point fawkes [19:30] <cbm> I think he is doing what he was brought up to do [19:30] <Aislinn> they are making the easy choice [19:30] <DumbleDebbie> hey PMMAD [19:30] <Belenzie> Jamie Waylett said something in P.C. # 31 about a crabbe sacrifice for goyle or vice versa, do you guys thinks that they would do something like that?/ [19:30] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, it's hard to feel much about such flat characters. [19:30] <Narya> I think he's too afraid to do anything else [19:31] <Ginnyous> I just consider him an extension of Draco [19:31] <Narya> Not much of an example at home [19:31] <coach> isn't there something to be said for sticking by one's friend through thick and thin, right and wrong [19:31] <Rebekia> Bel--- if they did that'd be weird [19:31] <Narya> With a monosyllabic father as a DE [19:31] <SillyPutty> yes because they love one another? [19:31] <coach> Ron and Hermoine do with Harry [19:31] <Val_Halla> True Ginnyous - like a greek chorus [19:31] <stewiegryf> Well, I'm off to class! [19:31] *** PerfectlyMMAD left #lounge [] [19:31] <Islwyn13> I don't know if I can see either one sacrificing htemselves, even for each otehr [19:31] <stewiegryf> Take care all! [19:31] <ProngsPatronus> Sirius didn't have much of an example, yet he chose differently [19:31] <Aislinn> He probably doesn't have the imagination to even envision another possibility Narya [19:31] <Islwyn13> later, Stewie! [19:31] <Islwyn13> have fun in lab! [19:31] <Rebekia> bye stewie! [19:31] <futureweasley> bye Stewie [19:31] <DumbleDebbie> bye stewie [19:31] *** stewiegryf left #lounge [] [19:31] * Islwyn13 misses chem labs [19:31] <SoonerGryffindor> bye stewie [19:31] <SillyPutty> but i don't think they would sacrifice themselves for draco [19:31] <Ginnyous> Bye atew [19:31] <fawkes28> yes, coach, but then we have to ask ourselves, why are they friends with draco? [19:31] <Narya> Sirius was a different wizard - with a lot of guts [19:31] <Belenzie> their dads told them to! [19:31] <Aislinn> yes [19:31] <Islwyn13> he's powerful, intheir minds [19:32] <Islwyn13> adn their fathers know his father [19:32] <fawkes28> they just want to be associated with someone in power...they arent really his friends [19:32] <Rebekia> I dont think they're smart enough or quick enough to know that a sacrifice was needed if the time came (sorry) [19:32] <Belenzie> lol [19:32] <Islwyn13> and his father is powerful [19:32] <futureweasley> The Creevey Brothers–well, Colin more than Dennis. Colin is an over-excited little guy who loves to take pictures and has a serious case of hero-worship of Harry. Is it the constant picture taking? Constantly asking “All right, Harry?” Does Colin get more on your nerves or do you hate him? Why? [19:32] <cbm> But sirius was smarter than Crabbe, I know that is not saying much [19:32] <Narya> Crabbe has had no example set to him [19:32] <Islwyn13> the relationship is probably highly encouraged by their parents [19:32] <DumbleDebbie> I love the Creeveys [19:32] <Islwyn13> LOL, I don't hate Colin [19:32] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [19:32] <futureweasley> See, I love the Creeveys [19:32] <Ginnyous> youre right FWKS [19:32] <SoonerGryffindor> Colin was highly annoying, was he not? [19:32] <cbm> annoying [19:32] <adamgryff> I don't hate them they are just annoying [19:32] <Islwyn13> he's jsut over-exciteable [19:32] <futureweasley> hi Expie [19:32] <SoonerGryffindor> hey Expie [19:32] <fawkes28> hi expie [19:32] <gryffindelle> on my nerves [19:32] <SillyPutty> he is Jar-Jar... I ignore him best I can... [19:32] <Rebekia> Ooooooh i dont hate the creevys i love their enthusiasm [19:32] <adamgryff> hi expie [19:32] <Aislinn> they are more characters that are more annoying than hateful [19:32] <harryfreak359> I don't hate colin at all. he is a little annoying though [19:32] <MrMcGonagall> Uber-annoying, but you kind of have to love the little guys. [19:32] <futureweasley> he's annoying, but I don't hate him [19:32] <harryfreak359> hey Expie! [19:32] <Islwyn13> LOL, SillyPutty! [19:32] <fawkes28> oh, colin gets on my nerves [19:32] <Islwyn13> good analogy! [19:32] <DumbleDebbie> I thinkkthey're adorable [19:32] *** coach has quit [Bye] [19:32] <Narya> What is this about hate all the time? I don't hate them, I just think that they're all painted in different ways [19:32] <Punky> Oh the constant pictures got on my nerves [19:32] <Aislinn> hi expie [19:32] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont hate them, but very annoying [19:32] <Belenzie> i love colin- i was an early ginny/colin shipper before ootp [19:32] <ProngsPatronus> lol--annoying little fanboys, but you have to love that younger one, and his spill into the lake [19:32] <Expelliarmas> Heya peepers [19:33] <futureweasley> if Harry would let him, he would be a great shot in the arm whenever Harry needed one [19:33] <Ginnyous> I like denny creavy even though he can be a bit annoyng [19:33] <mammaprince> I think they add some fun to the situations [19:33] <futureweasley> LOL PP...fanboys! [19:33] <fawkes28> aww, future [19:33] <Aislinn> but it's not based on anything real to Harry, FW [19:33] <Narya> I think the brothers are typical of their age - they're very young and it shows [19:33] <Islwyn13> "We love you, Harry! Whoo hoo!" [19:33] <Aislinn> it is just kind of mindless fanning [19:33] <SillyPutty> time for class - bye... [19:33] <fawkes28> i think colin just tries too hard to fit in [19:33] *** SillyPutty has quit [Bye] [19:33] <SoonerGryffindor> Dennis-- the kid who thought there was nothing cooler than to be dumped in the lake and have the squid throw him back in the boat. I really like Dennis [19:33] <Val_Halla> Me too SG [19:33] <Narya> LOL Sooner [19:33] <Expelliarmas> Yes, mindless fawning, but years later, Colin is still going strong [19:34] *** mammaprince left #lounge [] [19:34] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, that was hilarious Sooner [19:34] <futureweasley> I think it is...Colin deeply admires Harry for his strength and ability to endure obsticles [19:34] <MrMcGonagall> I think the Creeveys have hidden strengths. [19:34] <Islwyn13> yeah, he never seems to grow out of it [19:34] <MrMcGonagall> They're definitely Gryffindors. [19:34] <fawkes28> i think he will be a great person once he matures [19:34] <SoonerGryffindor> definitely [19:34] * cbm I have leave for a little bit, I may be back [19:34] <futureweasley> yes MrMcG...I agree [19:34] <Islwyn13> agreed, fawkes [19:34] <cbm> bye [19:34] <DumbleDebbie> yes Dennis was the 1st to spot the flying Beauzbatons coach I think [19:34] <Belenzie> i wish they cept colin instead of introducing "nigel" [19:34] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [19:34] <fawkes28> bye cbm [19:34] <Islwyn13> later, cbm [19:34] * Belenzie sighs [19:34] <Expelliarmas> perhaps they wouldn't be so bad if they didn't seem so ... desperate at times [19:34] <Islwyn13> blast! too slow [19:34] <MrMcGonagall> They have chutzpah. [19:34] <ProngsPatronus> lol--a Jimmy Olsen in the making [19:34] <Islwyn13> I dont' get nigel, I agree [19:34] <SoonerGryffindor> I love that word Mr M [19:35] <futureweasley> Do you think Colin will outgrow his irritating habits? [19:35] <Ginnyous> I wouldn't want it to happen but maybe one of the creeve brothers dies in the th? [19:35] <Rebekia> same sooner yiddish rocks [19:35] <Islwyn13> eventually, yeah [19:35] <SoonerGryffindor> probably not [19:35] <gryffindelle> nopt [19:35] <gryffindelle> *nope [19:35] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, I think so FW [19:35] <futureweasley> I think he will... [19:35] <Islwyn13> he'll at least tone it down [19:35] <Aislinn> they may tone it down a bit as they mature [19:35] <fawkes28> i think the war might mature him a little faster [19:35] <Expelliarmas> Probably not, he seems the type to always be over-excited [19:35] <Islwyn13> no one can maintain that level of energy indefinitely [19:35] <MrMcGonagall> I think we've already seen some growth between CoS and OotP with the DA. [19:35] <SoonerGryffindor> but at least Harry has somewone extremely loyal to him [19:35] <Rebekia> I don't see colin as being irritating. People gotta learn to take more if that is irritating... [19:35] <Expelliarmas> In some ways, he reminds me of Peter Pettigrew [19:35] <Belenzie> of course, have we really seen him being annoying in the last two books- i don't think [19:35] <futureweasley> right, I think he will realize that, if he wants Harry to actually talk to him, he'll have to take a different tact [19:35] <fawkes28> especially if something happened to a member of his family - then he will grow up more quickly [19:35] <ProngsPatronus> he is a live wire--I think that is going to stay with him [19:36] <DumbleDebbie> that's what you can love about Colin , he'd take an AK for Harry [19:36] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, "overexcitable" is the word I would use. [19:36] <Islwyn13> agreed, fawkes, thoguh I hope nothing happens to Dennis [19:36] <Islwyn13> he's cute [19:36] <futureweasley> yes he would Debbie...I agree [19:36] <Narya> Agreed PP - it would be a shame if that facet of his personality went out of the window [19:36] <Val_Halla> lag [19:36] <SoonerGryffindor> Colin reminds me of a little overexcited puppy dog [19:36] <futureweasley> Barty Crouch, Sr., managed to climb his way up his the government ladder to come very close to becoming Minister. His son ended up a DE and Sr. got him out of Azkaban. He placed Jr. under an Invisibility Cloak. Put Bertha under such a strong memory charm he damaged her memory forever. He sacked Winky. Did you hate Barty, Sr., or did you feel sorry for him? Why? [19:36] <ProngsPatronus> lol, sg [19:36] <DumbleDebbie> lol Sooner [19:37] <Islwyn13> oo, there's one to hate [19:37] <fawkes28> i hate him [19:37] <MrMcGonagall> I wrinkle my nose at him. [19:37] <Rebekia> I feel sorry for him [19:37] <Val_Halla> I felt very sorry for BC Sr [19:37] <SoonerGryffindor> there is one to hate [19:37] <Narya> Barty certainly didn't make himself a very likeable character [19:37] <DumbleDebbie> I feel bad for him [19:37] <adamgryff> I don't care for him at all [19:37] <ProngsPatronus> I dislike him on the extreme end [19:37] <futureweasley> I bite my thumb at BCS [19:37] <Aislinn> now, he is a character that was truly hate-filled [19:37] <SoonerGryffindor> well, Percy doesnt hate him.... [19:37] <MrMcGonagall> I just sort of feel distaste for BC Sr. [19:37] <Ginnyous> I feel bad for him too [19:37] <Narya> I agree, Mr McG [19:37] <ProngsPatronus> but I reserve hate for very few characters [19:37] <fawkes28> i don't feel sorry for him at all [19:37] <futureweasley> what, you are going to take Weatherbys word for it, Sooner? [19:37] <Islwyn13> oh, I don't feel bad for him [19:37] <Expelliarmas> I hated him at first, but later on as he lay dying, he recognize that everything that happened was, in fact, his fault [19:37] <gryffindelle> hate him [19:37] <Val_Halla> He tried to correct his mistakes - in vain [19:38] <Islwyn13> how? [19:38] <Ginnyous> he didn;t know how to treat his family [19:38] <Aislinn> he did try to correct his mistakes [19:38] <Belenzie> i think barty hated himself, and its difficult to hate someone who hates themself [19:38] <Expelliarmas> his arrogance and blindness caught up with him in the end [19:38] <gryffindelle> but not that much [19:38] <Aislinn> but it was too little, too late [19:38] <Rebekia> I felt soooooo bad for him when he's like trying to fight against the curse at the end and crawling at harry from the woods? Oh man..the way she decribes him. i really didnt enjoy him, but i felt saddness at that point. [19:38] <Islwyn13> by placing his wife in Azkaban and keeping his son imprisoned in his home and mind? [19:38] <Val_Halla> The way he struggled against the Imperius Curse brought tears to my eyes [19:38] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that Barty Sr is also there to show us what Percy could turn into if he keeps up on the track that he is on [19:38] <MrMcGonagall> Lo, how the mighty are fallen . . . [19:38] <ProngsPatronus> well, the Winky thing left a very bad taste in my mouth [19:38] <Ginnyous> HE did but it was to late unfortunately [19:38] <Aislinn> yes sooner [19:38] <harryfreak359> Hmmm...I don't hate him, but I don't know if I like him very much either [19:38] <futureweasley> he was power hungry to the point of obsession, and his thrist for that power ruined many lives [19:38] <Narya> I think that Barty Crouch tried his best, but he failed because of his obsession with status - he forgot what was important [19:38] <Expelliarmas> Well, in fairness, Islwyn, it seems the wife came up with that half-baked idea [19:38] <fawkes28> he just got too tied up in his job to realize what was really important in life [19:38] <DumbleDebbie> good point Sooner [19:38] <harryfreak359> I think that the correct word for my feelings toward him would be dislike [19:39] <SoonerGryffindor> He cared more about his reputation than he did about the people around him [19:39] <MrMcGonagall> Dangerously zealous and self-righteous. [19:39] <Rebekia> In all hoesnty Crouch did EVERYTHING he did out of love for his family. Even if it didn't look like it?! He did it all out of Love and lost everything to Evil. [19:39] <Aislinn> I find him fascinating, as Jo is showing how people who are trying to achieve the right goal can choose to do exactly the wrong thing to achieve it [19:39] <Islwyn13> he allowed the UC's to be used [19:39] <Islwyn13> and imprisoned people without trial (Sirius) [19:39] <Aislinn> no he didn't rebekia, in my opinion [19:39] <Val_Halla> He was mean to Winky to protect his son [19:39] <SoonerGryffindor> no Rebekia, crouch did everything for his own public image [19:39] <SoonerGryffindor> not love [19:39] <Aislinn> a lot of it was for ambition and power [19:39] <futureweasley> right Aislinn...that's so interesting because it's real [19:39] <Islwyn13> I dont' think he was thinking of his family [19:39] <Rebekia> He loved his wife [19:39] <gryffindelle> he's horrible [19:39] <futureweasley> it happens like that a lot [19:39] <Islwyn13> but ignored her during the trial of his son [19:39] <Rebekia> he wanted to respect her wishes [19:39] <Islwyn13> he was too wrapped up in how HE felt [19:39] <Islwyn13> how his image had been damaged [19:40] <Aislinn> after his son had gone bad enough to turn to the dark side [19:40] <ProngsPatronus> I think he loved his blood status and position way too much [19:40] <Rebekia> I think he was a man caught in a snare and was fighting to do good by them again [19:40] <Expelliarmas> he loved his wife, but he loved the power which went with his office more--and he desperately wanted to be MoM [19:40] <Ginnyous> he was to power obses to realy think about his family [19:40] <Aislinn> agreed prongs [19:40] <Islwyn13> I"m not sure he knew that for sure, though [19:40] <SoonerGryffindor> I think his wife is as close as he ever got to "loving" someone, but I dont know if I would classify it as "real love" [19:40] <DumbleDebbie> how does breaking Jr out of Azkaban help Sr.'s reputation? [19:40] <Aislinn> and his decsion to use unforgivables was the wrong one, imo [19:40] <Islwyn13> I think the accusation was enough for Crouch, and the fact that it was true was coincidence [19:40] <ProngsPatronus> that is just like loving a possession, though [19:40] <Rebekia> Exactly! [19:40] <Islwyn13> that didn't, but he kept his son locked up [19:40] <MrMcGonagall> Somewhere deep down there was a good person in BC Sr. [19:40] <fawkes28> yes, aislinn, it was very unthical [19:40] <Islwyn13> and under the imperius curse [19:40] <Islwyn13> cruel for anyone [19:40] <Ginnyous> he loved his son but hated what he becamr I think [19:40] <MrMcGonagall> Very deep down. [19:40] <Islwyn13> even crouch Jr [19:41] <Narya> He's a character with a lot of issues to confront in his own life - that dictated how he behaved [19:41] <Expelliarmas> Well, Debbie, by then his reputation no longer mattered very much, Fudge had become MoM [19:41] <Rebekia> and hiding him against ministry wishes. He was risking everything for his wifes choice to help his son!! That was love for her [19:41] <Val_Halla> Dumbledore seemed friendly to him and that's good enough for me [19:41] <futureweasley> ivy overgrown MrMcG [19:41] <futureweasley> Barty Crouch, Jr., served LV as a DE. Along with other DEs, he tortured the Longbottoms into insanity. He escaped his father, took over Moody’s identity, murdered his dad, and was instrumental in LV’s return. For his reward, he had got a “kiss.” Did you hate Jr. or not? Why? [19:41] <Aislinn> barty jr became what he did, in part because of the way he was treated by Sr [19:41] <Rebekia> Expel-- no one know his rep. didnt matter much but him! [19:41] <Expelliarmas> Meanwhile, he put such a strong curse on Bertha that he damaged her memory forever [19:41] <Islwyn13> OH, I agree he had some love for his wife, but not enough [19:41] <ProngsPatronus> he hates the Dark Arts more than James Potter did--but his methods for combating them looked just like the evil he was fighting [19:41] <SoonerGryffindor> ooooh, Barty Jr was a piece of work, wasnt he? [19:41] <Islwyn13> that too, Expie, I'd forgotten! [19:41] <futureweasley> I loved Barty Crouch Jr when he was impersonating Moody...I wish the REAL Moody was that cool! [19:41] <DumbleDebbie> Jr, him I can 'hate" [19:41] <Ginnyous> yes but some people have bad parents and don't go out and kill people [19:42] <Aislinn> exactly Prongs - that is what is so deplorable about him [19:42] <Val_Halla> Jr was evil way beyond what his father caused him to be [19:42] <MrMcGonagall> Thoroughly corrupted. [19:42] <fawkes28> i agree, future [19:42] <Narya> Barty Crouch Jr didn't have much of an example either - a case of "bad fathers" again [19:42] <Rebekia> Not to be devils advocate, but there was a bit of me not hating Jr. too...He did turn draco into a ferret [19:42] <Islwyn13> I wonder why he was so emphatic about his "innocence" durin ghis trial... [19:42] <SoonerGryffindor> Barty Jr helped with what happened to the Longbottoms. For that I will hate him [19:42] <Expelliarmas> I disagree Rebekia, by the time of Jr.'s escape, Sr knew he'd never be MoM--he could risk the escape [19:42] <Islwyn13> I would have expected him to behave more like Bella did [19:42] <ProngsPatronus> yes, Sooner [19:42] <gryffindelle> hate him [19:42] <Ginnyous> you make your own choices in life [19:42] <fawkes28> but we can't make excuses for these people just because they had a bad childhood [19:42] <DumbleDebbie> oh that's right Sooner, I forgot about that :bruce: [19:42] <Aislinn> he was only a teen islwyn [19:42] <Belenzie> well he did US a favour by turning draco into a ferret [19:42] <Belenzie> [19:42] <Expelliarmas> There's no explanation for Jr's turn to the DEs. While he might have felt slighted by Sr his mother doted on him [19:42] <DumbleDebbie> right FW [19:43] <SoonerGryffindor> okay, he did earn some brownie points in dturning Draco to a ferret [19:43] <futureweasley> for Barty Crouch Jr seemed to have an upbringing much like our other favorite slimeball...daddy didn't give affection and the boy was something his mommy won't wear [19:43] <Islwyn13> so did his extreme devotion to LV occur before that trial, or while he was in his father's "care"? [19:43] <Val_Halla> I agree Exp [19:43] <adamgryff> he tried to kill Harry too [19:43] <Islwyn13> Bella was young, too [19:43] <MrMcGonagall> But didn't he reall turn Draco into a ferret as a way of vicariously punishing the father, in a way? [19:43] <Expelliarmas> I think so MrM [19:43] <Val_Halla> I think so Mr McG [19:43] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, but it made me laugh [19:43] <Aislinn> probably Mr M [19:43] <futureweasley> I think so MrMcG...he didn't like Lucius at all [19:43] <fawkes28> if we excused all of the people that had "bad" childhoods, then the world would be in chaos [19:43] <Belenzie> thats how i took it mcgo [19:43] <DumbleDebbie> goodpoint mr M [19:43] <futureweasley> or any other DE for that matter [19:43] <Aislinn> yes fawkes This post has been edited by futureweasley: Nov 15 2006, 09:40 PM |
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[19:43] <Rebekia> The thirst for power came from his Dad no doubt to please those who have authority over you
[19:43] <Aislinn> people are still responsible for their own choices [19:43] <Islwyn13> again, look at Harry's childhood and who he's become [19:43] <SoonerGryffindor> I totally agree fawkes [19:43] <Ginnyous> yes but he did it out of anger for his father not because he was deffending H [19:43] <DumbleDebbie> me too Sooner [19:44] <ProngsPatronus> there is a point where a reason turns into an excuse--and Barty, Jr. crossed that line [19:44] <Expelliarmas> I didn't believe his line about not shooting at people when their backs are turned; I'm sure he and the other DEs did that and more to the Longbottoms [19:44] <Aislinn> he did prongs [19:44] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Expie [19:44] <ProngsPatronus> at some time in one's life, one must rise above one's childhood [19:44] <futureweasley> Fleur Delacour was a Triwizard Champion and came in last in just about everything. Part Veela, she’s engaged to marry Bill Weasley. Is this a character you hate or not? Why? [19:44] <Expelliarmas> Especially, Prongs, where Jr knew the love of his mother [19:44] <fawkes28> yes, it all goes back to the nature vs. nuture arguement [19:44] <Islwyn13> hehe, don't hate her [19:44] <Aislinn> He is a character that I can hate, for the way he participated in tearing that family apart, and leaving Neville without his parents [19:44] <Ginnyous> youre right P P [19:44] <SoonerGryffindor> I couldnt stand her until the end of HBP [19:44] <Islwyn13> didn't like the way she treated Harry at first, but she grew out of it [19:44] <Val_Halla> She's annoying but not someone I hate [19:44] <gryffindelle> not at all, though she can be annoying [19:45] <adamgryff> I didn't care for her until the end of the HBP [19:45] <futureweasley> I think Fleur was full of herself...but was knocked down a few pegs during the tourney [19:45] <MrMcGonagall> She ticked me off a little in the beginning with her snide, patronizing attitude toward Harry, but I've warmed up to her considerably. [19:45] <Narya> I didn't like Fleur very much at first, but she had matured a lot by the end of GoF [19:45] <Aislinn> she is an arrogant character, so another one I find annoying [19:45] <DumbleDebbie> brb lag's awful [19:45] <fawkes28> i think she has come a long way since we first met her [19:45] <Rebekia> Fleur is a bit flowery (no pun intended) but that doesn't serve room for hate. She gained my faith back when she loved bill regardless of looks [19:45] <ProngsPatronus> a little arrogant, and not fond of English cooking [19:45] <SoonerGryffindor> once Molly and Ginny started liking her is when I started warming to her [19:45] *** DumbleDebbie left #lounge [] [19:45] <futureweasley> yes Adam...she really did come about at the end of HBP [19:45] <Expelliarmas> Arrogant and full of the self-importance which comes from knowing you're beautiful and using that beauty to get ahead [19:45] <Aislinn> she came around a bit at Bill's bedside [19:45] <Islwyn13> yeah, greatly [19:45] <Belenzie> clemence has a movie on tonight on the CBC! [19:45] <ProngsPatronus> she is more a caricature than anything else [19:45] <Narya> She had come around before that, though [19:45] <Aislinn> But I didn't like the disrespect she showed Molly at the Burrow [19:45] <Islwyn13> showed she had some depth [19:45] <Expelliarmas> We sure had to wait a long time for her to come around though [19:45] *** CedrellaBlack has joined #lounge [19:45] <Belenzie> i love fleur [19:45] <ProngsPatronus> she didn't get real depth until HBP [19:46] <SoonerGryffindor> although I cant help but wonder how much of her attitude comes inbred frm being part-Veela [19:46] <Val_Halla> I agree Aislinn [19:46] <harryfreak359> I like fluer [19:46] <futureweasley> hi Ced [19:46] <Ginnyous> Hi cedre [19:46] <CedrellaBlack> hey guys! [19:46] <Islwyn13> true, sooner [19:46] <MrMcGonagall> Well, Molly wasn't exactly sending good vibes her way, either. [19:46] <harryfreak359> Hey Ced! [19:46] <Islwyn13> I think that may have a lot to do with it [19:46] <fawkes28> true, mr. m [19:46] <CedrellaBlack> what characjter are we talking about? [19:46] <Islwyn13> agreed, MrM [19:46] <Islwyn13> Fleur [19:46] <CedrellaBlack> oh i like her [19:46] <Val_Halla> But Fleur openly insulted them in their home [19:46] <Belenzie> fleur would be a great addition to the Weasley's [19:46] <Islwyn13> I'm not sure she realized she was being insulting [19:46] <gryffindelle> fleur [19:46] <Islwyn13> She's brutally honest [19:47] <Rebekia> No i think she didn't [19:47] <SoonerGryffindor> right Islwyn [19:47] <Aislinn> she was polite to her though Mr M [19:47] <Expelliarmas> Maybe her dependence on her beauty rather than skills kept her from being more succesful in the tournament; she really got on my nerves [19:47] <Val_Halla> Clueless, more like [19:47] <MrMcGonagall> It was a tense situation for everyone. I'm glad it reached resolution at the end of HBP. [19:47] <Belenzie> shes french thats what we are [19:47] <fawkes28> she did grow up in a different culture than we were used to seeing [19:47] <futureweasley> I thnk Molly was a little biased where Fleur was concerned...she took a first impression, and what the others thought of her and formed a new opinion. A snap judgment, if you will [19:47] <CedrellaBlack> You have to understand that different cultures, dont know what kind of things to say are appropriate or not [19:47] <Aislinn> Fleur was insulting about how boring it was at the Burrow, and criticized Molly's choice of music at christmas [19:47] <Aislinn> she was a guest in that house - it was very rude [19:47] <Ginnyous> I think he lets people decide on their own [19:47] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [19:47] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, Bel, I see Fleur as quintessentially French. You do love to hate her! [19:47] <gryffindelle> wb dd [19:47] <futureweasley> you're right about that Aislinn...I had forgotten about that [19:47] <DumbleDebbie> thanks gryff [19:47] <Expelliarmas> Fleur was insulting about being at Hogwarts, nut just the Burrow [19:48] <futureweasley> Amos Diggory actually took delight in needling a kid, Harry, about losing a Quidditch match. He also kept referring to Winky as “elf” during his botched interrogation. Did you hate Amos or not? Why? [19:48] <Belenzie> oh so we love to hate the french now???? [19:48] <Aislinn> yes, she was expie [19:48] <Expelliarmas> she was a guest at Hogwarts [19:48] <Islwyn13> but was she trying to hurt Molly, or did she just not realize it was rude? [19:48] <Narya> I think she was tactless, certainly - but she didn't set out to insult Molly [19:48] * Belenzie is insulted [19:48] <Islwyn13> Amos...hmm... [19:48] <Islwyn13> don't hate him, but don't really like him [19:48] <Ginnyous> I don't hate her but I don't like her eigther [19:48] <DumbleDebbie> Amos annoys me [19:48] <Expelliarmas> Well, Belenzie, Madam Maxime wasn't a bore [19:48] <fawkes28> oh i do dislike him slightly [19:48] <gryffindelle> disliked, not hated [19:48] <Val_Halla> I think Amos was just an obnoxiously proud parent [19:48] <Islwyn13> agreed, Narya, tactless is a good word [19:48] <Aislinn> doesn't matter isl - if she didn't realize, then she is insensitive [19:48] <DumbleDebbie> but I felt awful for him at the end of GoF [19:48] <fawkes28> i don't like the way he treats other people [19:48] <adamgryff> hI dislike hime but I don't hate him [19:48] <Rebekia> Amos is one who is very prideful I can't hate a man who has suffered such a loss [19:48] <Islwyn13> not necessarily [19:48] *** Ginnyous has quit [Bye] [19:48] *** Ginnyous has joined #lounge [19:48] <SoonerGryffindor> tactless totally defines Amos [19:48] <fawkes28> he acts as if he were better than those around him [19:49] <Narya> I think Amos was just a bit self-absorbed where Cedric was concerned [19:49] <Belenzie> olympe- not an understated name eh?? [19:49] <Aislinn> I don't hate Amos at all, i just find him to be like a football dad [19:49] <Expelliarmas> I have a high dislike for Amos; but a lot of that dissipated for me due to Cedric's death [19:49] <Islwyn13> in deaf culture, it's not uncommon to tell someone they've gained weight... [19:49] <Aislinn> inordinately proud of his son [19:49] <Islwyn13> they're jsut brutally honest [19:49] <Islwyn13> so is Fleur [19:49] <SoonerGryffindor> but I do have to say that his character has quite a few major flaws [19:49] <CedrellaBlack> deaf? [19:49] <Islwyn13> Amos was very annoying... [19:49] <Aislinn> and ready to brag to the world [19:49] <futureweasley> Amos is the ultimate soccer mom...but in dad form [19:49] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [19:49] <SoonerGryffindor> now not all of us soccer momas are like that [19:49] <Islwyn13> yeah, those who can't hear [19:49] *** Punky has quit [Bye] [19:49] <MrMcGonagall> Exactly, fw! [19:49] <CedrellaBlack> ahahaaa lol future [19:49] <Rebekia> nice fw!! [19:49] * Expelliarmas thinks Sooner knows about Soccermoms [19:49] <fawkes28> it's ok to be proud of your son and his accomplishments but there was no reason for him to put down another person [19:49] <DumbleDebbie> lol FW [19:49] <Belenzie> i think they changed the roles of the characters s amos and cedric between the book and movie- any one else think so?? [19:49] <Islwyn13> I had a friend who studied sigbn language and deaf culture [19:50] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, some soccer moms rock [19:50] <Islwyn13> sort of, Bel [19:50] <SoonerGryffindor> good observation Bel [19:50] <futureweasley> very proud, very competitive...and I bet if he ever got behind the wheel of a mini-van...Look Out!! [19:50] <Islwyn13> I have to say, I didn't like movie Cedric [19:50] <SoonerGryffindor> oy [19:50] <MrMcGonagall> lol, fw. [19:50] <Expelliarmas> what i found irritating about Amos is that he needled Harry and totally forgot he was a kid; he also accused Harry of conjuring the Dark Mark--dolt [19:50] <Islwyn13> less honorable [19:50] <Islwyn13> LOL, Expie [19:50] <harryfreak359> yes me too Expie [19:50] *** mammaprince has joined #lounge [19:50] <Aislinn> I think a lot of the wizarding world forgets that Harry is just a kid [19:50] <ProngsPatronus> irritating, yes [19:50] <ProngsPatronus> worthy of hate--no [19:50] <MrMcGonagall> Yeah, Amos is just not the brightest bulb on the tree, so I have a hard time really hating him. [19:50] <Aislinn> they can't see beyond the icon [19:51] <Islwyn13> true, Aislinn [19:51] <Narya> Irritating but understandably so in a way [19:51] <CedrellaBlack> I agree Aislinn [19:51] <Ginnyous> I didn;t like the fact that he had to put other people down [19:51] <fawkes28> i think that part just showed how much amos hates the death eaters [19:51] <Expelliarmas> well, i agree as to that Aislinn, but when the kid is standing in front of you, how can you forget he's a kid? [19:51] <Belenzie> don't think amos was a hufflepuff;) [19:51] <Islwyn13> because he's Harry Potter! [19:51] <fawkes28> he was just trying to see justice served but he wasn't thinking [19:51] <futureweasley> Dudley Dursley. Let’s see, Harry’s cousin–but no friend. The spoiled, pampered, bully son of Petunia and Vernon [they’re coming up]. He delights in making Harry’s life a misery. Is this a character you hate? Why or why not? [19:51] <Val_Halla> He didn't have a very kind attitude toward Winky [19:51] <Aislinn> right Isl [19:51] <SoonerGryffindor> Amos is like the obnoxious parents who have the "my kid is an honor student" bumper sticker [19:51] <Islwyn13> Cedric beat Harry Potter! Not, Cedric beat a 13 year old kid [19:51] <futureweasley> lol Sooner [19:51] <Narya> Easy in the heat of the moment to forget - when you're overwrought and afraid [19:51] <Aislinn> Dudley is such a bullying jerk [19:52] *** Punky has joined #lounge [19:52] <DumbleDebbie> yes, he is Aislinn [19:52] * futureweasley wants to send Dudders to boot camp [19:52] <mammaprince> Dudders is a product of his family [19:52] <Expelliarmas> Ohhh, I hate Dudley! [19:52] <Islwyn13> lol, NO [19:52] <Val_Halla> Dudley is a jerk but he could hardly have been otherwise in that house [19:52] <DumbleDebbie> wb punky [19:52] <Islwyn13> No boot camp! [19:52] * SoonerGryffindor will help fw with that [19:52] <adamgryff> Dudley is a great bulling whale of a jerk [19:52] <Aislinn> exactly islwyn - I'm sure that was amos' thoughts [19:52] <CedrellaBlack> hey punks [19:52] *** Alexk has joined #lounge [19:52] <Belenzie> i love the purpose of dudley -the jux word isn't it?? [19:52] <MrMcGonagall> Ugh. Dudley. Hate him, but you have to admit he makes us laugh. [19:52] <CedrellaBlack> I cant STAND Dudley [19:52] <Ginnyous> he is one of those cousins that you always hate [19:52] <Narya> Dudley is definitely a bully but I feel sorry for him - another case of having a bad example to follow at home [19:52] * DumbleDebbie is thinking of Sooner's steel toed boots for that boot camp [19:52] <mammaprince> Hes a bully because he was taught to bully by his father [19:52] <SoonerGryffindor> Dudley is at the age where he needs to start being more responsible for his decisions [19:52] <gryffindelle> hate but not the mostt [19:52] <Islwyn13> I see no redeeming qualities in Dudley... [19:52] <Alexk> hello everyone!bye [19:52] <CedrellaBlack> ton tongue toffees...I laigh just thinking about them [19:52] <futureweasley> Dudley isn't any better than Petunia and Vernon have allowed him to be [19:52] <Islwyn13> Even Draco showed some in HBP, but none for Dudley [19:52] <Ginnyous> HI alex [19:52] <gryffindelle> brb [19:53] <Val_Halla> I enjoy that Harry gets the better of him mentally [19:53] *** gryffindelle has quit [Bye] [19:53] *** gryffindelle has joined #lounge [19:53] <Expelliarmas> Dudley didn't have to be a spoiled brat, but he sure gave into it right enough [19:53] <Islwyn13> not hard, that, Val [19:53] <Punky> That is great Val [19:53] <SoonerGryffindor> the first couple of book I give him some slack, but as he gets closer to adulthood he needs to get over it [19:53] <CedrellaBlack> yes expel [19:53] <Aislinn> he goes away to school, just like Harry does - he had a chance to become something else while there, but he didn't grow at all [19:53] <adamgryff> agree sooner [19:53] <Alexk> who are we loving to hate currently? [19:53] <mammaprince> Well its not hard to do when your parents are always makeing you better then everyone else [19:53] <Islwyn13> agreed, Aislinn [19:53] <Islwyn13> Dudley [19:53] <Aislinn> Dudley [19:53] <futureweasley> It's unfortunate that his parents have done him such a disservice by allowing him to carry on the way he does [19:53] <Expelliarmas> Actually, Aislinn, he came back from Smeltings worse than ever! [19:53] <DumbleDebbie> do you think Dudders was *ever* disciplined for anything? [19:53] <Alexk> ooo, love hating him [19:53] <Aislinn> he did Expie [19:54] <Islwyn13> at home? no [19:54] <Val_Halla> I can't help thinking one reason Dudley's a bully is taht he fears Harry [19:54] <Narya> Dudley has few social skills and he's not able to make the distinction between what is right and what is easy just yet - he hasn't matured enough to do that and he won't because his father and mother haven't taught him to do that [19:54] <Islwyn13> at school? not sure [19:54] <harryfreak359> I don't think so Debbie [19:54] <mammaprince> No in his parents eyes he does no wrong [19:54] <DumbleDebbie> good point Isl [19:54] <harryfreak359> He doesn't act like it at all [19:54] <Expelliarmas> At school, perhaps--at least the school nurse called them out on dudders being the size of a small orca [19:54] <Ginnyous> bye guy "see" you next time have fun. [19:54] <Islwyn13> but he's had other people to model after, once he went to school [19:54] <harryfreak359> bye [19:54] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Expie [19:54] <DumbleDebbie> by ginny [19:54] <Aislinn> bye ginny [19:54] <Alexk> bye [19:54] <Islwyn13> but he doesn't grow at all, I agree with Ais about that [19:54] <Val_Halla> bye Ginnyous [19:54] <SoonerGryffindor> bye ginny [19:54] <Alexk> i agree narya [19:55] <Narya> How many good role models does Dudley have in his life? I haven't met one yet [19:55] <Islwyn13> we haven't seen his teachers, though [19:55] <Belenzie> harry!!! [19:55] *** Ginnyous has quit [Bye] [19:55] <Expelliarmas> He comes back transformed into a boxing bully! beating up kids in the neighborhood over the summer while he's supposed to be at tea [19:55] <Aislinn> we don't know what role models he has at Smeltings [19:55] <Belenzie> lolz [19:55] <Islwyn13> ONE of them must be decent [19:55] <Narya> He dislikes Harry [19:55] <futureweasley> when your idea of fun is being a bully and the biggest git you can be...that should be an indication that he's a "bad apple" [19:55] <Alexk> Harry, get serious,lol [19:55] <DumbleDebbie> yes Blenzie [19:55] <mammaprince> harry is not an ifluence on him though [19:55] <futureweasley> Petunia (Evans) Dursley, Lily’s sister–she agreed to take Harry in, but certainly never treated him like a son. She’s been instrumental in Harry’s mistreatment–all in the hope of squelching the magic out of Harry. Do you hate Petunia? If so, why? Can her actions be defended? [19:55] <Narya> Well, his friends go to Smeltings - are they good examples? [19:55] <Belenzie> how can he not be??? [19:55] <Islwyn13> Petunia... [19:55] <SoonerGryffindor> Petunia I find despicable [19:55] <gryffindelle> dislike [19:55] <Islwyn13> her, I have some sympathy for, though she has a lot to answer for [19:56] <fawkes28> i would say i highly dislike her [19:56] <Val_Halla> I don't think we know enough to completely judge her [19:56] <Alexk> hmmm..... [19:56] <Expelliarmas> I do hate Petunia, Sooner's word is right on the money--dispicable [19:56] <SoonerGryffindor> how can a woman who is a mother herself treat a child like she has? [19:56] <adamgryff> The a tough one I dislike her yes, but she did take Harry in [19:56] <harryfreak359> errr...not so bad as dudley...but I still dislike her [19:56] <Punky> I wish she'd stick up for Harry more [19:56] <Alexk> I can't say I hate her [19:56] <Narya> Petunia doesn't have much to commend her but I still have some sympathy for her [19:56] <DumbleDebbie> I kind of feel sorry for her too. SHe's just so miserable [19:56] <futureweasley> I feel badly for Petunia, because I think that she turned into who she is out of both jealousy and fear [19:56] <Rebekia> I don't like Petunia because of her lack of caring towards her sisters son. Not cool. You dont lock up kids [19:56] *** Pellinore has joined #lounge [19:56] <Belenzie> well i can't hate her- not until after the harry/petunia moment in book 7 [19:56] <DumbleDebbie> pathetic [19:56] <Islwyn13> she's motivated by fear and bitterness [19:56] <Expelliarmas> her dead sister's only child and you treat him like a non-entity [19:56] <harryfreak359> me either Belenzie [19:56] <gryffindelle> her actions, however, cannot really be defended [19:56] <MrMcGonagall> Petunia fascinates me. Intrigues me and repels me. [19:56] <Rebekia> lol-debbie [19:56] <DumbleDebbie> ooo, bitterness, yes that's a good word for her, and it's eaten her up [19:56] <Belenzie> and even then i might love her- wh knows? [19:56] <Val_Halla> I agree Mr McG [19:56] <Islwyn13> Oh, agreed, her behaviour is dispicable towards Harry, but I think she's another one who doesn't see a child,k but sees Harry Potter [19:56] <Narya> Book seven will show us the missing link where Petunia is concerned - we don't have all the facts yet [19:57] <Aislinn> I really dislike the abysmal way that she treats her only sister's son [19:57] <MrMcGonagall> I can never think of her in quite the same category as Vernon and Dudley. She's sort of Dursley-adjacent. [19:57] <Expelliarmas> We know how she's treated Harry--she didn't make him part of her family at all [19:57] <Alexk> i agree narya, i think she has a greater purpose to serve [19:57] <Narya> She doesn't treat Harry well - but a lot of that is down to resentment and mistrust [19:57] <Islwyn13> She's blinded by her feelings about LIly, I think [19:57] <Belenzie> the only strike i ahve no choice put to have against her is the -frying pan incident- that was just woah!! what the hell was that you know? [19:57] <Expelliarmas> Yes, but how was that Harry's fault [19:57] <SoonerGryffindor> Narya, the potential for that is the only reason I dont hate her immensley [19:58] <Islwyn13> Lily was the darling daughter, Lily had power, then Lily left her by getting murdered [19:58] <fawkes28> i think she just wanted him to be normal and then she may have been able to treat him with respect [19:58] <futureweasley> Petunia, too, is a product of her environment...a sister to whom she could never live up to, and a husband to whom she can never do enough for [19:58] <Rebekia> ISL- great point [19:58] <ProngsPatronus> ok--she is on the hate list for me [19:58] <Narya> She's such a complex character - another one with no great examples in life [19:58] <Aislinn> whatever the link - she has still made the ongoing choice to treat Harry very badly for all his years with her [19:58] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, I think Petunia may be DDs secret keeper (fo what I have no idea) [19:58] *** Alexk has quit [Bye] [19:58] <Expelliarmas> i have a feeling, after DD's talk with the Dursleys in HBP, that she was supposed to take Harry in and treat him like part of the family and didn't [19:58] <ProngsPatronus> I disagree [19:58] *** Alexk has joined #lounge [19:58] <Rebekia> I wish we knew how she treated him as a one year old and up [19:58] <Islwyn13> I'm not defending her actions, just saying I can feel pity for her [19:58] <Aislinn> how do we know that is true narya? [19:58] <Narya> True - but there are reasons for it which haven't been explained yet [19:58] <SoonerGryffindor> if I find that the way she treated him was because of some weird deal that protected him this whole time, then maybe some day I can forgive her for it, but she better have had a good reason [19:58] <CedrellaBlack> hmm interesting Debbiee [19:58] <ProngsPatronus> I think her parents loved both of the sisters [19:58] <Aislinn> Lily came from the same family [19:58] <Rebekia> it would help me hate her more or not perhaps [19:59] <Narya> We don't yet [19:59] <Aislinn> I think their parents were loving too prongs [19:59] <Belenzie> that would help ALOT REbekia [19:59] <Narya> She fears more than she loves [19:59] <Narya> She has never really lived [19:59] <Islwyn13> I do too, PP, but I think Petunia felt pushed aside, whether it wa wtrue or not [19:59] <DumbleDebbie> yes, true narya [19:59] <Aislinn> but there is no evidence of that nary [19:59] <ProngsPatronus> that was her choice [19:59] <fawkes28> i agree, PP, she just was jealous and never could get past it [19:59] <futureweasley> Aunt Marge–Vernon’s mustached sister and no aunt of Harry’s. Before Harry blows her up in PoA, she insults both Lily and James in Harry’s presence. She had Colonel Fubster drown a pup as it was underbred. Did you hate this character? Why? [19:59] <Islwyn13> the way she talks about how happy her parents were to find out Lily was a witch [19:59] <Aislinn> in fact, I think that Vernon genuinely loves her [19:59] <Narya> We will see [19:59] <Alexk> I think Lily's parents might've shown favortism towards Lily [19:59] <Islwyn13> Marge I hate [19:59] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think she ever really did what DD hoped she would do, which is to raise Harry as she would her own child. Although, given Dudley, perhaps we should be glad she didn't. [19:59] <SoonerGryffindor> oooh, cant stand Marge [19:59] <Narya> I don't, Aislinn [19:59] <DumbleDebbie> Marge - 'hate' [19:59] <harryfreak359> I hate Marge, definitely [19:59] <Islwyn13> agreed, Aislinn, I think VErnon loves her, too [19:59] <adamgryff> what is not there to hate can't stand Aunt Marge [19:59] <Narya> Marge is a nasty person [19:59] <Val_Halla> She is thoroughly detestable [19:59] <MrMcGonagall> Aunt Marge. Utterly repugnant. Repugnant, I say! [20:00] <Alexk> Blehhhhh, gerrrrrr, bleh,bleh! [20:00] <DumbleDebbie> she's infuiating [20:00] <fawkes28> oh i dislike her greatly [20:00] <mammaprince> lol [20:00] <Belenzie> she made herself jealous. i don't think there was any outside enforcement to it [20:00] <futureweasley> she's "evil" embodied in the muggle world [20:00] <Expelliarmas> Marge is on my top five of hated characters [20:00] <fawkes28> she needs to think about what she says before she says it [20:00] <Aislinn> Aunt Marge is detestable - I totally agree [20:00] <Punky> I can't think of anything redeming there [20:00] * Alexk washes his tongue out from having to say Aunt Marge [20:00] <Islwyn13> totally dispicable [20:00] <ProngsPatronus> me, too, expie [20:00] <Narya> I don't think Marge has any redeeming qualities [20:00] <Expelliarmas> She too, like the DEs, has a thing about blood purity which is highly distasteful [20:00] * SoonerGryffindor thinks someone should have drowned Marge when she was born [20:00] * MrMcGonagall feels the bile rise just thinking about Marge. [20:00] <Belenzie> BrB [20:00] <ProngsPatronus> culled her, maybe [20:00] <DumbleDebbie> she drowns puppies, 'nough said (and doesn't even do it by her own hand) [20:00] <Expelliarmas> lol Sooner [20:00] <Islwyn13> she's cruel to Harry, she's rude to Petunia...the most respect she shows anyone is her dog [20:00] <Alexk> totally agree sooner [20:00] <gryffindelle> hate her, she's horrible [20:00] <Islwyn13> and even there, she'll drown puppies... [20:00] <futureweasley> no, she's quite mean, and I don't think that there is any way to teach that "old dog" new tricks [20:00] <Islwyn13> throw her under the bus! [20:00] <fawkes28> tell us how you really feel, sooner [20:00] <Rebekia> Marge is evil. Marge is the Muggle version of Umbridge [20:01] * CedrellaBlack thinks everyone should not use the /me feature jp jp [20:01] *** Belenzie has quit [Bye] [20:01] <Narya> She's certainly twisted [20:01] <Val_Halla> She is ignorance personified [20:01] <Islwyn13> and arrogance, agreed [20:01] <Alexk> maybe she should look at herself before calling Harry's mom a "you know what" [20:01] <CedrellaBlack> Marge is a pain [20:01] <fawkes28> i think you are right, rebekia [20:01] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Islwyn. She definitely need to be run over by the KNight bus [20:01] <Expelliarmas> I wish she'd choked and died on the funny whelk [20:01] <ProngsPatronus> ooo--stupid AND arrogant [20:01] <gryffindelle> she drowned a living thing, how can you not hate her [20:01] <Alexk> she's the one messing around with dogs all the time [20:01] <harryfreak359> she drives me insane...and she extremely ignorant of anyone else's ideas than her own [20:01] <ProngsPatronus> lovely combo [20:01] <DumbleDebbie> lol Expie [20:01] <futureweasley> Vernon Dursley–Harry’s “uncle” but certainly no friend to Harry. He is protective of his family and would be quite happy to toss Harry over to a couple of nearby dementors. Do you hate this guy? Why or why not? [20:02] <Alexk> yesss!! [20:02] <CedrellaBlack> Sometimes i want to walk into the book have her dog hate her and then have it chase her up a tree and then walk right back ou of the book [20:02] <Expelliarmas> Ohhh another member of my top 5 hated list [20:02] *** moody has joined #lounge [20:02] <Islwyn13> he's too much like Marge but at least he seems capable of love (Petunia) [20:02] <Narya> I think Vernon is to be pitied for the arrogant, nasty man he is [20:02] <adamgryff> he is a nasty yellow bellied scroundale (sp) [20:02] <Rebekia> He's such a jerk. I can't stand him more then Petunia because I think he maybe insunuates the bars and cupboards [20:02] <moody> heya everyone, whatcha! [20:02] <Aislinn> Vernon has actually been the one that Harry has had to deal with more directly in the confrontations in the family [20:02] *** coach has joined #lounge [20:02] <ProngsPatronus> Iwouldn't give two Knuts for any of the Dursleys [20:02] <Val_Halla> He is ignorant and close-minded [20:02] <harryfreak359> Yeah, I do, he's ignorant just Marge...but a little better I think...he's a horrible coward though [20:02] *** coach has quit [Bye] [20:02] <DumbleDebbie> he's a nasty piece of work, but one redeeming quality is he loves Petunia and Dudders [20:02] <SoonerGryffindor> Didnt Jo say that Vernon is the character she hates the most? [20:02] <MrMcGonagall> Loathsome cockroach. Well, not a cockroach. Maybe loathsome giant mutant cockroach. [20:02] <Narya> She did [20:02] <futureweasley> I think I'm going to reserve my right to form a definitive opinion until Book 7. I think the Dursleys are crass, but they are so scared, that I'd like to see if any one of them does something "unexpected" that changes my overall opinion of them [20:02] <CedrellaBlack> i wouldnt be surprised sooner [20:02] <mammaprince> But hes only a jerk to the wizarding world [20:03] <Aislinn> I think she said she would hate to be stuck on an island with him [20:03] <Punky> Does he love them? He seems too controling for my tastes [20:03] <Islwyn13> yeah, I think you're right, Sooner [20:03] <Aislinn> and I completely agree with her! [20:03] <Alexk> the thing about the dursleys, i think, is that they only have eachother to love, and no one,NO ONE, else [20:03] <SoonerGryffindor> me too guys, me too [20:03] <moody> i think i love to hate snape but the weird thing is i think he's actually good not evil!! [20:03] <Aislinn> yes, I think he does love his family, [20:03] <Islwyn13> he backs off when Petunia puts her foot down, though [20:03] <Alexk> ooo, sorry caps [20:03] <ProngsPatronus> if that is what is called love [20:03] <Aislinn> It is just in a dysfunctional way [20:03] <CedrellaBlack> Doesnt he realize what they are doing to their son though? [20:03] <SoonerGryffindor> moody, we are not on snape [20:03] <MrMcGonagall> I'd push him under the bus, but I'm afraid he wouldn't fit under. [20:03] <Expelliarmas> he loves the other dursleys, but abuses Harry--locking him in a cupboard; locking him in his room; putting bars in his windows; there are prisoners with more freedoms [20:03] <ProngsPatronus> to me, it is more obssession than love [20:03] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [20:03] <DumbleDebbie> lol Mr M [20:03] <adamgryff> lol Mr. Mc [20:03] <Alexk> obsession about appearance [20:03] <moody> what we on, then?? [20:03] <Pellinore> vernon might be good to get stuck with on an island.. he's big enough to make a life raft out of and he's so fat he'd float [20:03] <DumbleDebbie> speed bump! [20:03] <Aislinn> hi cloudpic [20:03] <Islwyn13> Vernon [20:04] <futureweasley> they aren't a fully functional unit, that is for sure...Vernon is a hot head who needs a bucket of ice on location always [20:04] <Punky> Agreed PP [20:04] <Aislinn> we are talking about Vernon [20:04] <CedrellaBlack> LOL mrmcg [20:04] <fawkes28> hi cloudpic [20:04] <moody> heya clodpic [20:04] <cloudpic> Hi all, sorry to be late [20:04] <Alexk> hi [20:04] <adamgryff> hi cloudpic [20:04] <Expelliarmas> ello cloudpic [20:04] <DumbleDebbie> hi cloudpic [20:04] <Islwyn13> *pouts* I don't know who I'm gonna miss, but I have to cook dinner [20:04] <ProngsPatronus> hey, cloudpic [20:04] <cloudpic> Hi all you guys!! [20:04] <Rebekia> lol!! FW My chat has lag and i thought you said vernon was hot. (hey cloud!!) [20:04] <Islwyn13> this has been fun, though, thanks all! [20:04] <DumbleDebbie> by Isl [20:04] <fawkes28> bye islwyn! [20:04] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL Rebekia [20:04] <Islwyn13> *huggles* [20:04] <Val_Halla> lol Rebekia [20:04] <Rebekia> Awwww no bye isl [20:04] <ProngsPatronus> bye, Isl [20:04] <cloudpic> Vernon on... he's near the top of my ick list [20:04] <moody> vernon...hes so boring! why does he hate magic sooooooo much!? [20:05] <futureweasley> oh baby, there's a ship for you...FW/Vernon [20:05] <gryffindelle> don't hate him, he's just horrible [20:05] <SoonerGryffindor> bye Islwyn [20:05] <gryffindelle> bye isl [20:05] <DumbleDebbie> lol Rebek FW/Vernon ship? [20:05] *** Islwyn13 has quit [Bye] [20:05] <futureweasley> Marietta Edgecombe–Cho Chang’s dubious friend. Marietta was an unwilling member of Dumbledore’s Army. She betrayed the D.A. and bore the brunt of Hermione’s clever hex–having SNEAK spelled across her face. A balaclava could not hide her betrayal which led to Dumbledore’s removal from Hogwarts. Do you hate this character? Why? [20:05] <SoonerGryffindor> that brings Eww to a totally new Eww level [20:05] <Alexk> i think the dursleys would protect eachother, just because eachother is all they have, even if they don't love each other, i don't think they'd want to live alone either, after all, how would that look? [20:05] <futureweasley> lol Sooner [20:05] <Rebekia> lol!!! Poor FW [20:05] *** Belenzie has joined #lounge [20:05] <Belenzie> back [20:05] <fawkes28> i strongly dislike her...she is a rat [20:05] *** cbm has joined #lounge [20:05] <Val_Halla> Litlle tattletale [20:05] <DumbleDebbie> sneak :P [20:05] <Rebekia> yes, R-A-T [20:05] <MrMcGonagall> Marietta is a snitch. Under the bus with her. [20:05] <cloudpic> I sort of felt sorry for her [20:05] <Val_Halla> *Little [20:06] <SoonerGryffindor> even though it was morally wrong, I love what Hermione did to her [20:06] <fawkes28> and she did get what she deserved [20:06] <Expelliarmas> the word "sneak" says it all [20:06] <Aislinn> I'm going to get shouted at for this, but I think she deserved what she got from Hermione [20:06] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Mr M [20:06] <Narya> Marietta isn't likeable at all - but she too is ruled by fear [20:06] <ProngsPatronus> I have some contempt for her [20:06] <moody> yea, shes such a snich...i was so delighted hermione hexed her...good old hermione! [20:06] <harryfreak359> I agree Expie [20:06] <CedrellaBlack> S-N-E-A-K [20:06] <cloudpic> I know she snitched.... but she never was fully into the DA... just dragged by a friend [20:06] <Alexk> I love baklava! [20:06] <ProngsPatronus> I agree with you, Aislinn [20:06] <Rebekia> You did cloud? Why did you feel she was pressured into it? [20:06] <Expelliarmas> if she didn't want to be a part of the D.A., then why go? [20:06] <fawkes28> i agree, aislinn [20:06] <DumbleDebbie> Mr M, so violent tonight! [20:06] *** DumbleDebbie left #lounge [] [20:06] <CedrellaBlack> but i dont agree with what herione did either [20:06] <Aislinn> exactly expie [20:06] <Val_Halla> I do think having Sneak across her face a year later was a bit extreme [20:06] <futureweasley> I had totally forgotten how much I disliked her until I saw her listed in our questions...she FULLY got what she deserved from Hermione [20:06] <CedrellaBlack> hemione* [20:06] <harryfreak359> I agree Aislinn [20:06] <MrMcGonagall> I have never been so proud of Hermione's jinxing ability. [20:06] <gryffindelle> dislike her greatly, but started to feel sorry for her after what hermione did [20:06] <cbm> DShe and Cho joined the DA for the wrong reasons and got what they deserved [20:06] <cloudpic> She was helping a friend who probably went because she had a crush! (Cho) it's a girl support thing [20:07] <Rebekia> Wasn't she questioned by Umbridge or....did she willingly go [20:07] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [20:07] <futureweasley> she and Cho are friends that deserve each other [20:07] <CedrellaBlack> Maybe she deserved it but Hermione should have warned the that snitching would me consequesses [20:07] <mammaprince> She went and tattled [20:07] <Alexk> have we gotten to Rita skeeter yet? [20:07] <Val_Halla> No she snitched voluntarily [20:07] <moody> but ya know the way cho and harry ended up arguing over it, i thought harry was too hard on cho, she was her friend after all! [20:07] <Alexk> or is it coming? [20:07] <Expelliarmas> When you betray a whole crowd of people who are trying to get ready for what's coming ... you get what you deserve when you cross the line and betray them; her actions led to DD leaving Hogwarts [20:07] <cloudpic> Tattling is not always bad... [20:07] <futureweasley> yes MrMcG...that was awesome of Herms [20:07] <DumbleDebbie> next week Alexk [20:07] <Expelliarmas> not yet Alexk [20:07] <mammaprince> no I agree [20:07] <Alexk> ok [20:07] <cloudpic> Only children regard all "snitching" as bad [20:07] <Pellinore> she's a kid that did a questionable act. Snitching isn't always bad ya know. drugs, etc. [20:07] <SoonerGryffindor> Marietta could have gotten all of them thrown out of school to save her own sorry behind [20:08] <Expelliarmas> Moody, i though Cho didn't get Harry at all--he values loyalty above all else [20:08] <cloudpic> I agree her decision was misplaced loyalty though [20:08] <cbm> but she really is still a child [20:08] <Aislinn> she had the ability to judge what kind of person Umbridge is and what type of person Harry is, and she chose the wrong person to be loyal to [20:08] <Val_Halla> Marietta was mad at Harry et al not trying to help them [20:08] <SoonerGryffindor> drugs are one thing, but defeating evil is anohther [20:08] <CedrellaBlack> truetrue [20:08] <Aislinn> she was 16 - certainly old enough to know better [20:08] <Pellinore> fear is a very powerfull motivater.. even amoung kids [20:08] <Expelliarmas> Marietta in some ways seemed to be jealous of Harry [20:08] <mammaprince> I think Umbridge could have scared the pants off alot of them so ... [20:08] <Expelliarmas> and resentful [20:08] <moody> yep but ya have to stick up for ur friemds no matter what, thats loyal [20:08] <Alexk> especially among kids [20:08] <cloudpic> She is still a child,... hence I don't regard her as completely wretched [20:08] <fawkes28> her loyalties obviously lie in the wrong place [20:08] <SoonerGryffindor> jealous of Harry and Cho? Expie [20:08] <cloudpic> I disagree moody [20:08] <futureweasley> I think she's more afraid of Harry than jealous [20:08] <Expelliarmas> yes, Sooner [20:08] <Narya> She's a child - she is afraid [20:08] <futureweasley> Argus Filch–a janitorial squib. He longs for the days when students were tortured for their “crimes”–i.e., spattering mud on the castle floors. Along with his foul cat, Mrs. Norris, Filch prowls the corridors looking for student hoodlums and evidence of their guilt. He keeps chains in his office. Is this a character you hate? Why? [20:09] <cloudpic> If your friends are in trouble... [20:09] <MrMcGonagall> Hermione is so good that Marietta is now the Elephant Woman of Hogwarts. Hehe. [20:09] <mammaprince> Well her family was prominent in the MoM yes? [20:09] <Rebekia> I know of kids that crumble at authority figures...if she felt she was doing something wrong....ya [20:09] <fawkes28> i actually pity him [20:09] <DumbleDebbie> he's nasty [20:09] <futureweasley> "I miss the screamin'" [20:09] <Belenzie> aww i love argus he's my hero-with his own mascot!! [20:09] <mammaprince> I love Filtch [20:09] <MrMcGonagall> He is a nasty piece of work, Debbie. [20:09] <futureweasley> lol, I just find him funny [20:09] <Rebekia> Filch is funny [20:09] <cloudpic> I find him pitiable too... but his desire for torture is creepy [20:09] <Punky> I love Filch, where would we be without him [20:09] <DumbleDebbie> his lust to hurt the kids bothers me [20:09] <Val_Halla> Filch is nasty and bitter but I pity him [20:09] <fawkes28> being in a school filled with magic and not being able to do it must stink [20:09] <Expelliarmas> So was Ron's family, mamaprince [20:09] *** adamgryff left #lounge [] [20:09] <Narya> Filch is more to be pitied than hated [20:09] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont pty him. Look at Mrs. Figg. There is someone who handles their situation with class [20:09] <Alexk> hogwarts is all he knows, i think he does love hogwarts, he just has his own way of showing it, so i'm going wiht a not too bad [20:09] <cloudpic> Me too, DumbleDebbie [20:09] <MrMcGonagall> Filch is just so mean-spirited. What a killjoy. [20:09] <Aislinn> poor Filch - on the one hand I pity him, and on the other, I dislike him for his desire to be so violent against the kids [20:09] <Rebekia> Because he is no real threat in and of himself? he's sorta fun to poke at [20:09] <DumbleDebbie> true Sooner, she rocks [20:09] <moody> hes funny, more funny than hateful... [20:10] <fawkes28> but mrs. figg doesn't have to be around magic all day long, sooner [20:10] <Expelliarmas> I have no pity for Filch, he chose to work at a place filled with magic [20:10] <futureweasley> he's funny because he has actually no authority over anything, but he does everything he can to get the students in a "pinch" [20:10] <ProngsPatronus> ickypoo [20:10] <mammaprince> I know Ex I was just askin [20:10] <Pellinore> he's a contemptable, wretch of an old geezer. he's old enough to know better then to hurt kids. [20:10] <cloudpic> I wonder why he stays at Hogwarts? [20:10] <futureweasley> pinch...HA! [20:10] <gryffindelle> he's just nasty and jealous [20:10] <cbm> Strong dislike because he has a chip on his shoulder that he takes out on students [20:10] <SoonerGryffindor> well, he chooses to be around the magic [20:10] <fawkes28> maybe it was the only job he could get [20:10] <gryffindelle> but i don't really hate him [20:10] <Aislinn> I don't hink he has a lot of options expie [20:10] <Rebekia> Future exactly! [20:10] <gryffindelle> just dislike him a lot [20:10] <cloudpic> I wonder if he was abused because he couldn't do magic? [20:10] <SoonerGryffindor> he could have always gotten a muggle job [20:10] <fawkes28> why should he? [20:10] <Narya> Filch seems to me to have nowhere else to go - so I pity his situation - he resents that so much [20:10] <Belenzie> i don't think he would ever totture, if he did get his hands on a student and was allowed to torture them i think he would just stand there and grin evily thinking( i just want them to wet themselces then they can go) lolz [20:10] <cloudpic> If he had wizarding parents, the Muggle world would be scary and mysterious [20:10] <mammaprince> Well maybe his parents tried to throw him out a window like Nevelles uncle did [20:10] <moody> i think hes just sad cloudpic, id bully him! [20:10] <fawkes28> he can't help the way he was born [20:11] <SoonerGryffindor> I disagree. I think he would torture [20:11] <Expelliarmas> i think he has loads of options, Aislinn, there are plenty of other jobs he could do which don't require magic--Knight Bus conductor or driver, for example [20:11] <MrMcGonagall> Hmmm. By staying at Hogwarts, it seems Filch even enjoy punishing himself. Of course, maybe he just does it to stay close to Pincey-poo. [20:11] <DumbleDebbie> I think he'd hurt them if allowed Belenzie [20:11] <Rebekia> He's a DE wannabe [20:11] <cbm> I think if Umbridge would of let him torture, he would of [20:11] <cloudpic> Interesting point Mr.McG... self punishing [20:11] <DumbleDebbie> true Rebek, but not able to join [20:11] <Alexk> he's obviously very jealous of capable wizards(kwikspell), that's probably why he wants to torture capable children, he's jealous, and for that I dislike him [20:11] <Belenzie> thats a question to ask j.k. [20:11] <DumbleDebbie> although, he may be a spy for a DE [20:11] <Expelliarmas> he kept the chains oiled in his office and was about to use the whips on Fred and George ... [20:11] <mammaprince> I dont think he could really go through with it though [20:11] <ProngsPatronus> he remuminds me of Uriah heep [20:11] <mammaprince> true [20:11] *** CarpeDiem has joined #lounge [20:11] <moody> anyway, gotta go...falling asleep....byeeeee [20:11] <Narya> Filch is just a product of his environment - he's not an evil character - just very frustrated [20:11] <futureweasley> hi CD [20:11] <fawkes28> hi carpe [20:11] <CedrellaBlack> hey carpe [20:12] <DumbleDebbie> hi CD [20:12] <cloudpic> The kwikspell stuff really made me sympathize with him [20:12] <mammaprince> Hi Carpe [20:12] <ProngsPatronus> and that makes him creepy to me [20:12] <fawkes28> i agree, narya [20:12] <CarpeDiem> Evening all! [20:12] <cloudpic> Hi, Carpe! [20:12] <Aislinn> I agree narya [20:12] <Val_Halla> Well F & G did torment him pretty well [20:12] <futureweasley> Mundungus Fletcher–a sneak thief lowlife who was an Order member. When we last saw him, he was in Azkaban for running an inferi scam. He ransacked #12 Grimmauld after Sirius’ death and was seen in HBP trying to fence the items. Is this a character you hate? Why? [20:12] <Aislinn> hey carpe [20:12] <Rebekia> I dont think V would use a squib for a spy though [20:12] <Alexk> hi [20:12] <moody> byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee [20:12] <DumbleDebbie> he's reprehensible [20:12] <Expelliarmas> bye Moody [20:12] <Alexk> bye moody [20:12] <mammaprince> bye moody [20:12] <cloudpic> Bye, moody [20:12] <Pellinore> bah.. product of environment -- we all have a choice to rise above or sink below our upbringing ;p [20:12] <gryffindelle> don't hate, just find him to be a horrible person [20:12] <CedrellaBlack> We shouldnt trust mundungus but i dont think he is actually a bad person [20:12] <gryffindelle> bye moody [20:12] <moody> haha, thanx all [20:12] <Expelliarmas> Mundungus is like a grave robber--no respect for anything [20:12] <Val_Halla> Lowlife is very apt [20:12] <MrMcGonagall> Awww. He does some things I really dislike, but then I remember him joking around with the kids. [20:12] *** moody left #lounge [] [20:12] <CedrellaBlack> same MrMcG [20:12] <cloudpic> Mundungus is fascinating... low life on the side of "good" [20:13] <mammaprince> I dont think DD would have let him in if he didnt have some qualities [20:13] <Pellinore> speaking of someone that sank below their environment ;p [20:13] <MrMcGonagall> kind of like the ne'er do well, black sheep uncle. [20:13] <futureweasley> I love Dung [20:13] <Expelliarmas> ransacking #12 after Sirius died? leaving harry so he could get some cauldrons? hmmm [20:13] <Narya> I think Dung is just Dung - he's got an eye on the main chance all the time rather than thinking about how others might feel [20:13] <cloudpic> It's like he doesn't know any better... [20:13] <futureweasley> because I hate Dung [20:13] <gryffindelle> sometimes a horrible person [20:13] <DumbleDebbie> lol FW [20:13] <harryfreak359> I've never had to much of a problem with him [20:13] <Expelliarmas> he has no morals [20:13] *** SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] [20:13] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [20:13] <CedrellaBlack> like when he left for the cauldrons [20:13] <fawkes28> yes, he hasn't tried to change much [20:13] <cloudpic> You make him sound like a sleazzy version of the twins, Narya! [20:13] <Val_Halla> Reminds me of whats his name from Oliver Twist [20:13] <CedrellaBlack> and left poor arabella by herself [20:13] *** Rebekia has quit [Bye] [20:13] <Val_Halla> Fagan [20:13] <MrMcGonagall> Well, he wasn't exactly the best choice to put on guard duty in Privet Drive. [20:13] <futureweasley> he's a thief! shifty as all get out...and totally moralless [20:14] <ProngsPatronus> FAgin? [20:14] <Expelliarmas> well, Arabella and her bag of cat food [20:14] <cloudpic> Yep, he's Dickensonian! [20:14] <Narya> Just a bit more raddled, cloudpic! [20:14] <MrMcGonagall> He's not as mean as Fagin. [20:14] <Expelliarmas> she wasn't defenseless [20:14] <fawkes28> and he still didn't learn his lesson after he left arabella [20:14] *** Rebekia has joined #lounge [20:14] <CedrellaBlack> that too but i think that was probably the last choice mrmcg [20:14] <CarpeDiem> I agree, the apparent selling of Sirius's posessions was pretty low. [20:14] <DumbleDebbie> wb Rebekia [20:14] <Aislinn> he's not mean, just completely without any morals [20:14] <SoonerGryffindor> I really kinda like Dung in a way. He is who he is and he doesnt pretend [20:14] <mammaprince> Like a street rat [20:14] <Rebekia> Thanks...i thought i'd try to get rid of lag who are we on? Dung? lol (what a name) [20:14] <Expelliarmas> definitely a street rat [20:14] <ProngsPatronus> one rat to deal with another [20:15] <Alexk> you mean nice when he wants something [20:15] <cloudpic> But he could do the Order some real damage... like not being on guard when he should have been [20:15] <MrMcGonagall> He's an overgrown street urchin. A rat, but oddly adorable. [20:15] <Aislinn> another name that I'm sure was deliberate [20:15] <cloudpic> Dung vs. Peter? [20:15] <futureweasley> right, the bottomless pit of non-ethical behavior...and I know that he sold the Locket Horcrux...which makes me hate him the most [20:15] <Narya> He's valuable to the Order - he does what no one else will [20:15] <SoonerGryffindor> we dont know that fw [20:15] <Expelliarmas> but we highly suspect it Sooner [20:15] <futureweasley> oh, he did Sooner [20:15] <Pellinore> wouldnt' supprise me if dung flipped to the other side if they offered him anything shiney [20:15] <Val_Halla> I don't find him adorable he wasn't guarding Harry when the Dementors attacked [20:15] <cloudpic> How do you know? [20:15] <fawkes28> he reminds me of ludo in a way...he mind is always somewhere else [20:15] <ProngsPatronus> yep--it takes a thief to catch one--DD had his eye everywhere [20:15] <Narya> He might have given it away rather than sold it [20:15] <SoonerGryffindor> but even if he did, he didnt know that [20:15] <CedrellaBlack> see i think that kreacher has it so i dont agree but thats a diff discussion topiv [20:16] <futureweasley> maybe Dung's animagus is a Niffler [20:16] <cloudpic> Good comparison, fawkes! [20:16] <Rebekia> Yet dung was trusted by Dumbledore [20:16] <futureweasley> Fudge–former Minister for/of Magic. Fudge starts off as friendly to Harry and then brings the weight of the Ministry to bear on Harry in a pithy effort to discredit Harry and Dumbledore in OotP. He finally loses his job. Did you hate Fudge? Why? [20:16] <Val_Halla> Harry might have died while he made a galleon or two [20:16] <Pellinore> hehe FW [20:16] <Alexk> yes [20:16] <CedrellaBlack> ahh [20:16] <Aislinn> Fudge is to me, the consummate politician [20:16] <Alexk> he cares way too much about appearance [20:16] <mammaprince> hmm [20:16] <CedrellaBlack> CB is messing up [20:16] <Expelliarmas> oh yes, i hate Fudge [20:16] *** CedrellaBlack left #lounge [] [20:16] <Rebekia> Fudge is weak weak lil man [20:16] <Narya> Fudge is just a lightweight - no substance [20:16] <Val_Halla> No more than any other political creature [20:16] *** CedrellaBlack has joined #lounge [20:16] <CarpeDiem> Oh, I agree totally with that Aislinn [20:16] <Punky> He's a pretty weak character which always bugged me [20:16] <Alexk> to an extant that he doesn't even really care about the wizard community itself, i believe [20:17] <MrMcGonagall> I grew to dislike him more and more, and he deserved to be thrown from office in disgrace. [20:17] <SoonerGryffindor> Fuge really burns me [20:17] <fawkes28> i actually hate fudge [20:17] <Expelliarmas> a lightweight with no substance but with the MoM at his command and the Daily Prophet in his pocket [20:17] <ProngsPatronus> Fudge is weak--and he is a good example of the tyranny of such people [20:17] <Aislinn> likes the priviledge it gives him, is more concerned with appearance than substance [20:17] <fawkes28> he really makes me mad [20:17] <Rebekia> I do like how she made us like him by helping out Harry only to flip us around and show us that sometimes we're only helped out of a pinch for a reason..to benefit the greater scheme of things [20:17] <fawkes28> he loved his job more than facing the truth [20:17] <Alexk> exactly what i mean ais [20:17] <futureweasley> Punky, I totally agree...you'd think that someone with so much "clout" would have more personality than a limp noodle [20:17] <DumbleDebbie> typical politician [20:17] <cloudpic> I know what I mean when I use Fudge as an expletive... and it long predates this series... I wonder if JKR??? [20:17] <Pellinore> can't stand'm, typical politician.. goes where the wind blows and glosses over trouble and magnifies anything even remotely possitive. [20:17] <Aislinn> wants to keep living his comfortable little life - he is a perfect example of choosing what is easy instead of what is right [20:17] <Val_Halla> His name was well chosen [20:17] <Narya> Fudge is much more concerned with position than he is about following his conscience [20:17] <Expelliarmas> he loved the office more than the responsibility [20:17] <Alexk> he doesn't want to face the wizard community [20:18] <cbm> I think that the reason he was placed as minister is that he is weak and can be told what to do easily [20:18] <fawkes28> if he had faced reality, then the losses from the war could have been less [20:18] <SoonerGryffindor> I rate Fudge u there along with Crouch Sr. They honestly dont care about the people, all they care about is their power [20:18] <Aislinn> yes expie [20:18] <futureweasley> he loved the title more than the office [20:18] <mammaprince> agreed [20:18] <harryfreak359> I cannot stand Fudge at all...this is definitely one of the characters that I hate [20:18] <cloudpic> To survive in politics... do you have to be this way?? [20:18] <Expelliarmas> had he used the year to find LV rather than persecute DD and Harry, he might have nipped LV in the bud [20:18] <CedrellaBlack> He does what the people want him to do all the time which is not a good think, like not admit that Voldy is back becuase the Population doesnt want to believe it...so dont admit it!--not a good think as Minister of agic [20:18] <fawkes28> if fudge had listened to dumbledore, they could have possibly gotten the giants on their side [20:18] <SoonerGryffindor> I hope not CP [20:18] <CedrellaBlack> thinkg* [20:18] <CedrellaBlack> thing* [20:18] <Narya> Too easily swayed [20:18] <futureweasley> Marvolo Gaunt–Tom Riddle’s grandpa. He was maniacally obsessed with being a pure blood and too proud about being a wizard and SS’s descendant. He got packed off to Azkaban for his part in attacking a Ministry employee. When he got out of the pokey, Merope had gone. He didn’t live for long after leaving Azkaban. Did you hate Marvolo? Why? [20:18] <gryffindelle> i strongly dislike fudge [20:18] <Alexk> fudge is a great politician though, don't you think? [20:18] <cloudpic> Remember the Rita Skeeter article... when she said the people wanted/needed to be told that everything was OK... [20:18] <MrMcGonagall> He reminds me of the Admiral in HMS Pinafore. [20:19] <CarpeDiem> It amazes me that someone as weak as Fudge was able to get into office...I wonder how it happened [20:19] <gryffindelle> and all politicians [20:19] <Alexk> with what it takes to be a politician [20:19] <DumbleDebbie> Him I can hate [20:19] <ProngsPatronus> he is a politician who molds his image to the outcome of polls--he has no real personality [20:19] <Aislinn> Marvolo was the worst kind of bigot [20:19] <cloudpic> Marvolo was insane, no? [20:19] <Pellinore> some of the best US presidents didn't act that way.. Lincon & JFK [20:19] <DumbleDebbie> he's disgusting [20:19] <Val_Halla> Marvolo was scary [20:19] <Narya> Marvolo is pretty reprehensible [20:19] <mammaprince> Marvolo was the biggest abuser of the series [20:19] <MrMcGonagall> Marvolo was horrid. [20:19] <futureweasley> the whole Gaunt family freaks me out [20:19] <Rebekia> Abuser!!! [20:19] <Aislinn> I hated the way that he treated Merope [20:19] <Expelliarmas> Fudge was a peacetime politician; when LV came back he needed to be a wartime politician [20:19] <Val_Halla> Me too fw [20:19] <DumbleDebbie> ingreeding has nasty consequences [20:19] <cbm> I pity him and his whole family [20:19] <ProngsPatronus> creepy, yes, but hate--maybe a little [20:19] <DumbleDebbie> *inbreeding This post has been edited by futureweasley: Nov 15 2006, 09:33 PM |
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[20:19] <fawkes28> but i also think with him a lot of it had to do with his mental state
[20:19] <Expelliarmas> Marvolo *gag* what an animal [20:20] <mammaprince> Animal is to nice [20:20] <Narya> I think his treatment of Merope was abysmal [20:20] <ProngsPatronus> his plans for Merope were cruel [20:20] <CedrellaBlack> He is a terrible person, I hate the way he treats merope [20:20] <cbm> true DD, [20:20] <Rebekia> lol debbie...greedy...ingreeding... [20:20] <gryffindelle> he's horrible, but i don't know enough about him to legitimately hate him [20:20] <Narya> I think Morfin suffered at his hands too, in a way [20:20] <cloudpic> I see your point, DumbleDebbie... he is a creation of the WW "pureblood" fanaticism [20:20] <Expelliarmas> the way he treated Ogden was no better; at least Ogden stood up to him [20:20] <SoonerGryffindor> the way he treated Merope is horrid [20:20] <Aislinn> he probably did narya, based on what we see he had become [20:20] <DumbleDebbie> yep cloudpic [20:20] <mammaprince> because she was not worthy [20:20] <Pellinore> he's the epitome of a bad parent [20:20] <DumbleDebbie> yes, he was horrible in so many ways [20:20] <mammaprince> in his eyes [20:20] <MrMcGonagall> Morfin=Dudley, Marvolo=Vernon [20:20] <CarpeDiem> I think he was a fitting grandfather for LV. It sorta helps to explain where LV's character is coming from. [20:20] <cbm> I think the inbreeding has made them all a little nuts [20:21] <Narya> Another product of his environment [20:21] <Rebekia> No love whatsoever [20:21] <CedrellaBlack> i agree 1000000000000 perscent Pellinore [20:21] <Val_Halla> I couldn't hate him since he so obviously was mentally ill [20:21] <cloudpic> You may be right cbm [20:21] <CedrellaBlack> Maybe thats were voly gets it from! [20:21] <CedrellaBlack> lol [20:21] <Expelliarmas> he was obsessed with being SS's heir; and in instilling that point of view in his childred; apparently, SS was no housekeeper as they lived in filth [20:21] <cloudpic> I'm with you, Val Halla... [20:21] <futureweasley> agreed cbm [20:21] <Alexk> hmmm, lv spared lily out of pity for women, his mother was abused by her family, if he found out about it.. [20:21] <Alexk> nm [20:21] <ProngsPatronus> just worship of his bloodline--that was all they had left, besides a few heirlooms [20:21] <cloudpic> but he still scared me [20:21] *** DemetryCarrington has joined #lounge [20:21] <DumbleDebbie> lol Expie [20:21] <futureweasley> Merope Gaunt–Tom Riddle’s mama. She used a love potion [oh, come on, with those looks how else was she going to get him?!?] to ensnare Tom, Sr. She finally gave up the love potion, TR Sr. snapped out of it, took a look around, and ran home! Merope gave birth to her little psychopath, named him, turned him over to the orphanage and kicked the bucket. Did you hate or pity Merope? Why? [20:21] <Rebekia> ..pity for women?  [20:21] <DumbleDebbie> hi demetry [20:21] <mammaprince> pity [20:21] <DemetryCarrington> HI EVERYONE!!! [20:21] <Aislinn> I feel pity for Merope [20:21] <cloudpic> Yep, pitiful. [20:22] <gryffindelle> pity her [20:22] <ProngsPatronus> I pity her [20:22] <CedrellaBlack> hey dem [20:22] <Val_Halla> Pity her [20:22] <futureweasley> hi demetry [20:22] <DumbleDebbie> I feel bad for her, she was so lost [20:22] <cloudpic> Hi, Demetry [20:22] <Aislinn> she was a weak and defeated person who made really bad choices in her life [20:22] <SoonerGryffindor> I think what she did was equivalent to rape, but I have strong feelings on this [20:22] <mammaprince> she was abused all her life and all she really wanted was to be loved [20:22] <MrMcGonagall> Total pity. [20:22] <Rebekia> I feel baaaad for her. Holy cow how can anyone hate her. She was a trapped mouse! [20:22] <DemetryCarrington> It's been like.....2 months lol [20:22] <Aislinn> hey demetry [20:22] <Pellinore> pity mostly [20:22] <Val_Halla> She tried to get away but didn't have a clue how to really do it [20:22] <SoonerGryffindor> hey demetry [20:22] <fawkes28> i pity her [20:22] <DemetryCarrington> Pity [20:22] <futureweasley> she had nothing...came from nothing...hand nothing to look forward to in her future [20:22] <DemetryCarrington> Hey Sooner [20:22] <Aislinn> we're talking about Merope gaunt right now [20:22] <DemetryCarrington> Hey Ais [20:22] <Narya> I pity Merope - she had no life [20:22] <mammaprince> she was locked up all her life, she didnt know how to live [20:22] <Expelliarmas> she didn't have the backbone to survive in either the magical or muggle worlds [20:22] <Alexk> She had the brain abused out of her, well, I guess not in potion making, she seemed desperate enought o find love [20:22] <Rebekia> She was probably physically, mentally and other-allys that im not sure i can mention abused here. so no i dont hate her [20:22] <cloudpic> And no examples of better behavior to follow [20:22] <Alexk> *to [20:23] <SoonerGryffindor> I pity herm but I also hold her responsible for her actions [20:23] <futureweasley> and, she was ugly and deformed from her genetic background...and she fell into despair [20:23] <CedrellaBlack> I dont think she understood how to love for real, and what love truley meant. [20:23] <Pellinore> would love to see a scene in 7 where harry talks to her ghost. proably not happen but would be very interesting if she stuck around that orphanage and learned about her son [20:23] <CarpeDiem> I pity her because of her environment. I dislike her for attempting to use a child to save a loveless marriage [20:23] <DemetryCarrington> She wasn't stupis though, she apparently knew how to make a love potion for Riddle [20:23] <DumbleDebbie> she did make horrendous choices Sooner [20:23] <CedrellaBlack> Its like the question: Is it better to love but never be loved, or be loved but never love? [20:23] <Val_Halla> She probably had no understanding of rape [20:23] <cloudpic> What a strange scene that would be, Pellinore! [20:23] <Alexk> I agree ced,looking for love, much like Voldemort [20:23] <Punky> But you're totally justifying her character based on her environment I dont think that's fair either [20:23] <SoonerGryffindor> thank you Punky. I agree [20:23] <Rebekia> She was trapped and saw the only way to escape through Tom. Her only chance at happiness...and not getting abused [20:23] <cloudpic> Not just environment, though... it's heredity [20:23] <Expelliarmas> she wasn't a looker, true; but she chose to live a fantasy life when she used a love potion on Sr [20:24] <ProngsPatronus> I think she knew all about rape, Val [20:24] <MrMcGonagall> Desperation and infatuation drove her to do an awful thing. [20:24] <Rebekia> I don't doub there to be incest in that family. [20:24] <cloudpic> and total isolation from "good" [20:24] <futureweasley> Morfin Gaunt–TR’s looney uncle. He got sent to Azkaban as well for attacking a Ministry employee and jinxing a Muggle, TR Sr. TR Jr. murdered the paternal side of his family and then modified Morfin’s memory so he would take the blame. Did you hate or pity Morfin? Why? [20:24] <Aislinn> I think she is a combination of weak character and horiible upbringing [20:24] <CedrellaBlack> Morfin is discusting [20:24] <DumbleDebbie> she did make a conscous choice to do what she did to TOm sr. and she chose to leave Tom Jr [20:24] <fawkes28> i dislike morfin [20:24] <CedrellaBlack> Who pins snakes to doors?! [20:24] <Val_Halla> She had been forced to do this and that her whole life. Forcing someone to love her probably seemed normal [20:24] <Aislinn> Morfin is just nasty [20:24] <SoonerGryffindor> the apple did not fall far from the tree on that one [20:24] <MrMcGonagall> One rung further down the ladder of in-breeding. [20:24] <DemetryCarrington> Morfin has to die lol [20:24] <DumbleDebbie> apple doesn't fall far from the tree [20:24] <CedrellaBlack> I sure don;t that would scare away the neighbors [20:24] <DemetryCarrington> Well he did [20:24] <Narya> Morfin isn't nice, but he can be pitied too [20:24] <Expelliarmas> definitely a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic [20:24] <mammaprince> morfin is dead lol [20:25] <ProngsPatronus> he is what his father made him--and there is a hint that he is a few cards short of a deck [20:25] <DumbleDebbie> lol Sooner ;) [20:25] <Rebekia> Sooner and Deb...lol [20:25] <Val_Halla> Morfin was practically a rabid dog [20:25] <DemetryCarrington> lol [20:25] <Alexk> It all has to do with the parents [20:25] <fawkes28> and i think his father just enabled him [20:25] <Alexk> that's why I pity Morfin and Merope [20:25] <Expelliarmas> a total animal; hateful and despicable [20:25] <Rebekia> I cannot stand him. He's creepy and freaky and the kinda guy you want to lock up your car doors when he walks by [20:25] <mammaprince> hmm like Dudders [20:25] <CarpeDiem> He was almost more animal than human I think. He was even treated as such [20:25] <Aislinn> yes val halla [20:25] <ProngsPatronus> but his blood was pure! [20:25] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree VH. He was scary [20:25] <SoonerGryffindor> lol PP [20:25] <futureweasley> Gregory Goyle–Draco’s other bodyguard. Dumber than Crabbe [which is saying something], he lives to do Draco’s bidding. He also couldn’t manage to find one, single girl desperate enough to go to the Yule Ball–so he went stag. Thicker than a brick, he makes Crabbe look good. Do you hate Goyle? Why? [20:26] <Narya> Morfin is another product of his environment - no example set to him and nothing but hate at home [20:26] <gryffindelle> morfin-i very strongly dislike him [20:26] *** DemetryCarrington has quit [Bye] [20:26] <cloudpic> How do we know Goyle is dumber? [20:26] <mammaprince> lol [20:26] <Expelliarmas> Jo tells us so, check the lexicon cloudpic [20:26] <cbm> pity [20:26] <gryffindelle> same as crabbe, don't hate him, just dislike him [20:26] <fawkes28> i dont really have any feelings toward him....he's just kind of there [20:26] <cloudpic> OK [20:26] <Narya> Goyle is yet another who can be pitied for not having a mind of his own [20:26] <Rebekia> Yeah like a slug [20:26] <Alexk> poor kids i have to say, no choice in what their parents do [20:26] <ProngsPatronus> no--he is another victim of the pureblood cult [20:26] <mammaprince> product of his upbringing [20:26] <Aislinn> goyle and crabbe are two halves of a whole to me - just Draco's sidekicks and bodyguards [20:27] <harryfreak359> Ummm no I don't like him [20:27] <Expelliarmas> I can't stand the mindless way he gives Draco validation [20:27] <harryfreak359> agreed Aislinn [20:27] <cbm> He is his father's son [20:27] <fawkes28> i wouldnt call him a victim because he could have gotten himself out of the cycle [20:27] <Rebekia> i agree ais--i'd say the same about goyle and crabbe...they're too dense to really be hated (if that makes sense) [20:27] <mammaprince> I think he was raised to be a minion [20:27] <Alexk> agreed aislinn, they need to be controlled, they don't have minds for themselves [20:27] <Expelliarmas> well cbm, that's not saying a lot for him [20:27] <MrMcGonagall> Who's more interesting, Goyle or a nine-iron? Uhhh, so hard to decide. "So tell me, nine-iron . . ." [20:27] <cloudpic> I never developed a "feeling" for Goyle... he was just a sort of prop to Draco [20:27] <SoonerGryffindor> makes you wonder if the boy has any thoughts in his head [20:27] <Val_Halla> I don't think he's bright enough to think for himself at this age [20:27] <Aislinn> LOL Mr M [20:27] <Rebekia> Mr. M!! That's perfectly what i'm thinking [20:28] <mammaprince> I dont like golf lol [20:28] <CedrellaBlack> We dont really know him well [20:28] <Expelliarmas> Sooner, if a thought wandered into his head, it would jump right out in fright [20:28] <Pellinore> i find it hard to hate someone that dumb as rocks but still if they're personallity and decisions of what to do to others when they aren't instructed is still bulling gitsthen i'd raththink they're scum [20:28] <Alexk> lol [20:28] <cloudpic> It's hard to "hate" someone who's intelligence is limited... and who's friends mislead them. [20:28] <CedrellaBlack> but he does terrorize little kids [20:28] <cloudpic> *whose [20:28] <Pellinore> er, raththink = rather think [20:28] <CedrellaBlack> which is intimidating [20:28] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [20:28] <Narya> Agreed cloudpic [20:28] <CarpeDiem> Good point cloudpic I don't know if we know them well enough to hate them [20:28] <MrMcGonagall> Malfoy, Crabbe and Goyle - spawn of the DEs. [20:28] <mammaprince> He terrorizes at Malfoys bidding [20:28] <Expelliarmas> Malfoy Crabbe and Goyle--the ante-Trio [20:29] <DumbleDebbie> much worse that frogspawn Mr M [20:29] <Alexk> these kids were never given a chance or choice to be good [20:29] <Val_Halla> From their point of view their fathers are successful at least at first [20:29] <Expelliarmas> he does let himself be used, mamaprince [20:29] <MrMcGonagall> Definitely, Deb! [20:29] <CarpeDiem> Yes Mr.M they're all playing the "Let's be like Daddy!" game. [20:29] <futureweasley> Grawp–Hagrid’s giant, but dolt half-brother. Hagrid had the bright idea of bringing Grawp to Britain and is thinking about finding him a girlfriend. Is Grawp a character you hate? Why? [20:29] <cloudpic> I thought of them as the anti-trio too... but those two are so undeveloped... [20:29] *** Belenzie has quit [Bye] [20:29] <Expelliarmas> well, off to deal with the minions, see y'all later [20:29] <SoonerGryffindor> Hmm, after discussing the Gaunts and then Crabbe and Goyle, it kinda gives you a new outlook on pureblood, doesnt it? [20:29] <Val_Halla> I dont blame them for following in their footsteps - so far [20:29] *** Expelliarmas left #lounge [] [20:29] <Pellinore> true... will be interesting to see if the Anti-Trio sticks together in 7 [20:29] <DumbleDebbie> I like Grawp [20:29] <Aislinn> oh, grawp is not to be hated [20:29] <Rebekia> How can you hate Grawp?!! [20:29] <ProngsPatronus> bye, expie [20:29] <Alexk> I like Grawp [20:29] <cloudpic> I know some are irritated by Grawp... but I don't see it. [20:29] <MrMcGonagall> Nah, Grawp just needs a big hug. [20:29] <SoonerGryffindor> Awww, poor Grawp [20:29] <fawkes28> he is the lovable giant [20:29] <mammaprince> Grawp awww how can anyone hate him [20:29] <CedrellaBlack> i think grawp is a sweet heart [20:30] <Alexk> so oblivious [20:30] <Narya> Grawp is likeable [20:30] <harryfreak359> I likie Grawp [20:30] <CedrellaBlack> HERRRMYYY were HAAGERR? [20:30] <CedrellaBlack> cutie [20:30] <Val_Halla> The Jar Jar of book 5 [20:30] <mammaprince> lol [20:30] <fawkes28> he has been doing so well with hagrid [20:30] <Aislinn> I think grawp is going to do something useful in the next book [20:30] <CarpeDiem> lol val [20:30] <harryfreak359> lol [20:30] <SoonerGryffindor> me too Aislinn [20:30] <MrMcGonagall> It wasn't the most interesting chapter of OotP, but I was glad to see Grawp make an appearance in HBP. [20:30] <SoonerGryffindor> agreed [20:30] <mammaprince> me too Mr M [20:30] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [20:30] <Aislinn> agreed Mr M [20:30] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, me to Aislin [20:30] <ProngsPatronus> Grawp is a dead bore to read, but I don't hate him [20:30] <cloudpic> If Grawp can be turned around by love... (Hagrid's) it's Wizard World evidence that their preconceived notions about other magical cratures are Wrong Wrong Wrong [20:30] <Alexk> he helped over enough in bood 5 already, but yes [20:30] <Val_Halla> It was cute though when he said "Hagger" [20:30] <ProngsPatronus> he is a fish out of water [20:30] <fawkes28> i think he would save hagrid if hagrid is in trouble [20:30] <Alexk> *book [20:31] <Narya> Grawp will be very useful in book seven, with the other giants [20:31] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [20:31] <Pellinore> Grawp as the one to develop magic late in life is way to scarry a prospect. he's very harmfull the way he is but stayed still during the funeral so i'd say he's controlable [20:31] <DumbleDebbie> good point cloupic [20:31] <harryfreak359> lag monster finally found me [20:31] <gryffindelle> just find him annoying [20:31] <Alexk> having the giants gone to lv's side though? [20:31] <Rebekia> PP-but i love his interaction with Hermione [20:31] <cloudpic> If he's been transformed, Narya... [20:31] <DumbleDebbie> wb HF [20:31] <futureweasley> Igor Karkaroff–another DE with yellow teeth [seems to be a DE requirement]. He’s the Durmstrang headmaster and a former DE who snitched on as many fellow DEs as possible to get himself out of Azkaban. Did you hate this two-bit, conniving, yellow, coward?! Why? [20:31] <harryfreak359> I think that Grawp will do something useful as Aislinn said [20:31] <cloudpic> Me too, Rebekia [20:31] <mammaprince> eww those teeth *shivers* [20:31] <MrMcGonagall> Another repugnant character. Ugh. [20:31] <Alexk> it's okay, i have yellow teeth too [20:31] <cbm> I hate ALL Deather Eaters [20:31] <Alexk> but arghhhh [20:31] <harryfreak359> Don't like him at all...though it was a deep hatred..didn't know him well enough [20:31] <DumbleDebbie> he's despicable [20:31] <fawkes28> not really i feel like we dont know his well enough [20:32] <Val_Halla> He was too comtemptible to truly hate [20:32] <Aislinn> Karkaroff was despicable [20:32] <futureweasley> Karkaroff was a gutless t--d [20:32] <cloudpic> Yeah, a DE who's from another country! [20:32] <Narya> Karkaroff isn't a character I'd recommend to anyone [20:32] <DumbleDebbie> lol FW [20:32] <mammaprince> lol [20:32] <gryffindelle> hate, he's horrible [20:32] <CedrellaBlack> Not only is Karkaroff a coward he is a jerk [20:32] <Pellinore> he's a little better then the DE's .. at least he didn't rejoin, even if it was out of fear. [20:32] <Rebekia> Nah he was too weak to hate. (I have this thing about hating the sneaky ones i guess) [20:32] <MrMcGonagall> A Death Eater who got off easy. I'm with Moody on this one. [20:32] <CedrellaBlack> laf [20:32] <CedrellaBlack> lag* [20:32] <Aislinn> he was a blatantly unfair judge, a slimy character who weasled his way out of prison, too cowardly to go back to his own side [20:32] <CedrellaBlack> hate hate I can't stand him! [20:32] <ProngsPatronus> wouldn't put his name on my dance cars, that's for sure--but hate? no [20:32] <Aislinn> there is nothing to like about him [20:33] <ProngsPatronus> card, that is [20:33] <cloudpic> Poor Durmstrang [20:33] <Val_Halla> He met the fate of all those who put themselves first [20:33] <fawkes28> are you going to throw him under the bus, mr. m? [20:33] <futureweasley> right Aislinn...he falls right under "unethical"...on top of being a gutless so-and-so [20:33] <Alexk> yet he got the headmaster's position, darn, why'd they have to make Bulgaria an evil country! [20:33] <DumbleDebbie> lol fawkes [20:33] <Alexk> poor bulgaria [20:33] <MrMcGonagall> Sure, fawkes. Anyone else want to help me give him a push. [20:33] <Pellinore> Bulgaria has Krum.. he might turn out good yet [20:33] <DumbleDebbie> I think he already met his bus fwkes [20:33] <cloudpic> Good point Val Halla... hope Lord Voldemort has the same fate! [20:34] <SoonerGryffindor> true, hard to throw a dead man under the bus [20:34] <MrMcGonagall> True, Debbie. [20:34] <cloudpic> I believe in Krum. [20:34] *** adamgryff has joined #lounge [20:34] <fawkes28> it can run him over again [20:34] <Pellinore> easier to just drive over'm [20:34] <SoonerGryffindor> wb adam [20:34] <MrMcGonagall> For LV, I'd drive the bus. [20:34] <fawkes28> wb, adam [20:34] <Val_Halla> I'm sure Krum is good [20:34] <fawkes28> LOL [20:34] <DumbleDebbie> wb adam [20:34] <adamgryff> where are we [20:34] <SoonerGryffindor> me too VH [20:34] <cloudpic> Ooo... some are sounding like Filch here! [20:34] *** Narya has quit [Bye] [20:34] <futureweasley> honestly, poor Krum. How can we expect him to be any better than Karkaroff was? it's bad when you have no direction or bad direction from your elders [20:34] <SoonerGryffindor> we are on Igor [20:34] <mammaprince> lol [20:34] <Alexk> too big a hat to drive over him [20:34] <CedrellaBlack> Krum is a good guy [20:34] <DumbleDebbie> the rest of us will push Mr M [20:34] <cloudpic> Krum didn't respect Karkaroff [20:35] <futureweasley> let's hope not!! [20:35] <Alexk> too hard a head also [20:35] <cloudpic> seemed to resent his "leadership" [20:35] <Rebekia> Since most of my stuff is Rebekia Krum...I don't hate Krum. I find him intriguing to fall for Hermione [20:35] <CedrellaBlack> I would respect or idol karkaroff [20:35] <CedrellaBlack> no one should [20:35] *** mammaprince left #lounge [] [20:35] <Val_Halla> Igor was riding Krums coattails in GoF [20:35] *** DumbleDebbie left #lounge [] [20:35] <CedrellaBlack> death eater or not [20:35] <CedrellaBlack> terrible death eater and terrible person [20:35] <cloudpic> But he must have been a good teacher? [20:35] <MrMcGonagall> I wonder how competent a DE Igor was. [20:35] <futureweasley> Kreacher–the Black family house-elf. Suspected of scarfing down a load of poison potion in a certain cave, Kreacher despised Sirius and was instrumental in his death in OotP. He now serves as Harry’s house-elf and works in the Hogwarts kitchen under Dobby’s watchful eye (loved when Dobby clocked Kreacher!). Do you hate or pity Kreacher? Why? [20:35] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [20:36] <Alexk> rawr, die! [20:36] <SoonerGryffindor> Kreacher makes me so mad!!! I love it when Dobby pwnd him [20:36] <fawkes28> i hate kreacher [20:36] <CedrellaBlack> me too!!!! [20:36] <futureweasley> the fact that Kreacher got Sirius killed is enought to make me want to kill him myself [20:36] <adamgryff> I hat Kreacher [20:36] <CedrellaBlack> hate [20:36] <DumbleDebbie> Kreacher is disgusting [20:36] <Val_Halla> I find Kreacher so very amusing [20:36] <adamgryff> *hate [20:36] <fawkes28> there is no pity in my heart for him [20:36] <cbm> Hate [20:36] <MrMcGonagall> I see Kreacher splatted on the windshield of the bus. [20:36] <gryffindelle> hate him, he's awful [20:36] <Pellinore> mostly just disgusted by kreacher [20:36] <CedrellaBlack> maggots eekk [20:36] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [20:36] <Val_Halla> He is completely round the bend [20:36] <Aislinn> Kreacher is a nasty piece of work [20:36] * DumbleDebbie thinks FW will take Kreacher down with her bare hands [20:36] <cloudpic> Kreacher was abused by everyone... though... even Sirious [20:36] <gryffindelle> he is responsible for the death of sirius [20:36] <adamgryff> lol dd [20:36] <ProngsPatronus> a little of both, I think [20:36] <fawkes28> he really is responsible for sirius' death [20:36] <futureweasley> I would, too [20:37] <SoonerGryffindor> dont you just love Dobby for beating the crap out of him? [20:37] <cbm> He may be around teh bend, but he was sane enough to help the Malfoys [20:37] <DumbleDebbie> lol FW, I can almost see it [20:37] <Punky> lol Sooner [20:37] <Alexk> pull his head off, and use it as a volleyball, grrrr [20:37] <DumbleDebbie> yay Dobby! [20:37] <Val_Halla> I'm with DD - Sirius should have treated Kreacher better [20:37] <CedrellaBlack> I dont know how Harry can even LOOK at kreacher [20:37] <harryfreak359> Ugghhh...can't stand Kreacher [20:37] <Pellinore> yea go Dobby... wounder if they have a spell to replace teeth ;p [20:37] <futureweasley> I think that there is more to Kreacher than meets the eye [20:37] <SoonerGryffindor> if Mr M gets his way, Dobby's head will be the hood ornament for the Knight Bus [20:37] <fawkes28> i don't think it would have helped, valhalla [20:37] <CedrellaBlack> me too future [20:37] <MrMcGonagall> Oh, I'm sure he's a veritable fount of info about RAB. [20:38] <DumbleDebbie> and you'll find it when you tear hi up FW? [20:38] <cloudpic> Yeah... how could Kreacher be anything but what he is? [20:38] <SoonerGryffindor> not Dobby. Kreacher I meant [20:38] <futureweasley> and that makes me hate him even more for not spilling it! [20:38] <Rebekia> kreacher is evil to the core. [20:38] <harryfreak359> He betrayed Sirius to the DE's and that is bad, very bad and doesn't make me feel kindly towards him at all [20:38] <CedrellaBlack> have we talked about umbridge yet? [20:38] <cbm> Harry is too kind to treat anyone badly he is responsible for [20:38] <Aislinn> yes, Mr M [20:38] <SoonerGryffindor> next week Ced [20:39] <CedrellaBlack> awww =[ [20:39] <Val_Halla> We have to remeber Kreacher was a slave to Mama Black [20:39] <futureweasley> yes MrMcG!! I hope he is, anyway! [20:39] <ProngsPatronus> I don't think he got that way on his own [20:39] <Alexk> Kreacher was loyal to the evil half of the black family, i don't think sirius being nice to him would help any [20:39] <cloudpic> And all those heads on the walls... that's a lonnng history of wretchedness [20:39] *** stewiegryf has joined #lounge [20:39] <Alexk> evil 99.5 percent i should say [20:39] <SoonerGryffindor> wb stewie [20:39] <DumbleDebbie> wb stewie [20:39] <stewiegryf> I'm back! [20:39] <fawkes28> wb, stewie [20:39] <MrMcGonagall> What does form the personalities of house-elves? [20:39] <cloudpic> wb, stewie! [20:39] *** CarpeDiem has quit [Bye] [20:39] <ProngsPatronus> I agree with Dumbledore [20:39] <Val_Halla> In a very twisted way he WAS loyal to his family [20:39] <ProngsPatronus> Kreacher was a product of his abuse by wizards [20:39] <fawkes28> i bet mrs. black didnt help his personality [20:39] <Pellinore> just wake up Prongs? ;) [20:39] <cloudpic> Wouldn't it be nature/nurture just like other "creatures" Mr.McG? [20:39] <CedrellaBlack> agreed [20:39] <DumbleDebbie> true VH, he was loyal to the house of Black (Sirius had been blasted off the family tree) [20:39] <Alexk> i don't think we can blame kreacher, he must remain loyal to the blacks, and majority of the blacks would've agreed with Kreacher [20:39] <MrMcGonagall> Probably, cloudpic. [20:39] <futureweasley> I'm not going to excuse Sirius's actions, though. He, I think, is partially to blame for Kreachers insolence [20:39] <Aislinn> he was "owned" by a despicable family, and given the fact that tthey chopped off teh heads of the old ones to hang on the wall does not say much for the way they treated their elves [20:40] <cloudpic> Only the nastiest house elves would have survived to have baby elves in the Black house [20:40] <cloudpic> that's nature [20:40] <cbm> He was loyal to Sirius's mother, not the family, he helped kill the head of the family [20:40] <cloudpic> And the nurture is evident [20:40] <DumbleDebbie> eww, lets not think about that cloudpic, shivver [20:40] <MrMcGonagall> Yet it didn't seem to hold true for Dobby, who came from a bad household. But maybe Dobby's nature was strong enough to resist the environment. [20:40] <CedrellaBlack> agreed future, sirius was out of line [20:40] <cloudpic> She was the "head" of the family, no? [20:40] <SoonerGryffindor> choices are the key here [20:40] <cloudpic> yeah. [20:40] <cbm> She was dead [20:40] <Alexk> i don't think we can blame the house elves, but they should still get Kreacher out of the way, though it wasn't his choice, he remains faithful to the dark side [20:40] <Rebekia> Kreacher loves evil... [20:41] <Alexk> he'll cause trouble [20:41] <Val_Halla> He was alone with that portrait a long time... [20:41] <futureweasley> Bellatrix Lestrange–Sirius’ sadist cousin. The only known female DE we’ve met to date [that we know of]. She thrilled in torturing the Longbottoms into insanity and would’ve done the same thing to Neville in OotP. Kreacher worships her. She’d be proud to sacrifice Draco if he were her son. She killed Sirius and mocked Harry. Do you hate this foul, loathsome character? Why? [20:41] <cbm> she is still in the painting, but he follows harry's orders now [20:41] <DumbleDebbie> hate, hate, hate [20:41] <SoonerGryffindor> OOOh, Her I love to hate [20:41] <MrMcGonagall> I'll drive the bus for her, too. [20:41] <ProngsPatronus> Kreacher worships his family--and that family was full of evil [20:41] <adamgryff> she is evil, she killed Sirius [20:41] <cloudpic> Oh, Bella. Classic, isn't she? [20:41] <Aislinn> Bella is a character that I loathe [20:41] <fawkes28> oh she is right up their on my list next to voldemort [20:41] <futureweasley> major daggers for Bella [20:41] <SoonerGryffindor> can we run over her more than once? [20:41] <DumbleDebbie> I'll tie her down Mr M [20:41] <Val_Halla> She is the most loathsome character of all [20:41] <cbm> I hate this sadistic loathsome person [20:41] <fawkes28> can i help steer, mr. m? [20:41] <gryffindelle> hate her!!!!!!! a lot [20:41] <DumbleDebbie> LOL Sooner [20:41] <MrMcGonagall> Absolutely insane. A maniac. [20:42] <Punky> She's the definition of love to hate for me [20:42] <cbm> does the bus have reverse? [20:42] <Aislinn> the way that she glories in torture is just pure evil [20:42] <DumbleDebbie> beep,b eep, beep (the bus backing up) [20:42] <fawkes28> yes, aislinn, she enjoys torturing [20:42] <CedrellaBlack> Bella needs to b crucio'd to insanity [20:42] <Val_Halla> Imagine telling her sister she should be proud to sacrfice her son [20:42] <Alexk> she's the most perfect woman for evil [20:42] <fawkes28> she is evil and vile [20:42] <ProngsPatronus> she is one of the very few I genuinelt hate [20:42] <DumbleDebbie> I hope Nevile takes her out [20:42] <SoonerGryffindor> You know that she was the ring leader of the DE's that tortoured the Longbottoms [20:42] <CedrellaBlack> and then killed in the most painfull way ever [20:42] <Pellinore> somehow i see Bella as more evil then LV.. just something about a woman that hurts children that really ticks me off [20:42] <Aislinn> she deserves whatever evil end will befall her for what she did to the Longbottoms [20:42] <Alexk> i don't think you can find any more evil than her [20:42] <stewiegryf> She is maybe more evil than anyone else in the book, besides Voldemort, and even that's debateable. [20:42] <DumbleDebbie> or at least brings her down [20:42] <Alexk> exactly pell [20:42] <MrMcGonagall> She's the witch I want to see spreadeagled on the front of the bus, just like those crashed witches you can buy in the stores around Halloween. [20:43] <Rebekia> who are we on? [20:43] <CedrellaBlack> that baby voice in OOTP ack! I hate her SOOOO much [20:43] <fawkes28> bella [20:43] <Pellinore> Bella [20:43] <DumbleDebbie> Bellatrix [20:43] <adamgryff> she deserves everything that Neville can bring [20:43] <stewiegryf> Bellatrix [20:43] <Aislinn> and then to taunt Neville about it?!?!?! I detest the woman [20:43] <Val_Halla> She is insane - like a Mansn bride [20:43] <SoonerGryffindor> becaue of her, Neville's parents have lost their marbles and are the way they are [20:43] <cloudpic> Can we find any excuses for her personality/behavior? [20:43] <DumbleDebbie> yeah that was awful Ced [20:43] <Rebekia> AH! I HATE HER! Oh no she is like right up there with Voldemort for me. I hate her. [20:43] <Val_Halla> *Manson [20:43] <DumbleDebbie> no, cloudpic [20:43] <stewiegryf> No, absolutely not cloudpic. [20:43] <ProngsPatronus> I don't want Neville to tear his soul by killing her--that would be a poor reward for him [20:43] <cloudpic> LOL [20:43] <fawkes28> right, sooner, and she doesn't even give it a second thought [20:43] <MrMcGonagall> No. She is rotten to the core. Irredeemable as LV. [20:43] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Prongs [20:43] <cloudpic> OK [20:43] <Rebekia> I hate her so much and I can't even...get out how much i don't like her. wow she makes my blood boil [20:43] <stewiegryf> She just loves being evil [20:43] <Aislinn> agreed prongs [20:43] <fawkes28> she really needs to have something bad happen to her [20:43] <DumbleDebbie> true PP, but maybe he can bring her down and lead to her one way trip to Azkaban [20:44] <futureweasley> Pellinore, please click the box at the top of the screen that has my name on it, and acknowledge receipt. Thanks! [20:44] <Aislinn> but Fenrir could have a go at her [20:44] <cloudpic> I believe she's the femine side of evil in the series, no? [20:44] <Pellinore> either neville kills her or JkR goes soft and creates a spell that removes another's magical ability [20:44] <Val_Halla> I really want her idol - LV to kill her [20:44] <CedrellaBlack> When you kill someone you dont %Have to create a horcrux [20:44] <SoonerGryffindor> she does quite enjoy it, sdoesnt she stewie? [20:44] <DumbleDebbie> oo that'd be great VH [20:44] <Punky> her explanation about unforgivable curses-you have to enjoy it, yuck [20:44] <Alexk> she's so good at being evil, it would be a waste to have her switch sides in the 7th book, i'd rather see her killed [20:44] <stewiegryf> I think she likes torturing better than chocolate...and that's just absurd! [20:44] <Pellinore> got it [20:44] *** freyja has joined #lounge [20:44] <futureweasley> Bella is delusional and dangerous...that's a horrible combo [20:44] <MrMcGonagall> If there's a good person in Bellatrix, we're going to need an exorcist to drive to drive out the demon that's possessing her. [20:44] <SoonerGryffindor> I htink that Draco is going to kill her, but its a weird theory [20:44] <CedrellaBlack> Death DEath Death [20:44] <DumbleDebbie> hi freyja [20:44] <fawkes28> oh, alex, she will never switch sides [20:44] *** SevenofNine has joined #lounge [20:44] <Rebekia> Neville should take her out..but by her own fault? That'd be sweet. She needs to die. (sorry thats mean) [20:44] <Val_Halla> lol stewie [20:44] <CedrellaBlack> Slow and VERY Painful Death [20:45] <MrMcGonagall> lol, Stewie! [20:45] <ProngsPatronus> she is sadistic, but I wouldn't wish the Unforgiveables on anyone [20:45] <CedrellaBlack> were talking about bella [20:45] <DumbleDebbie> interesting sooner [20:45] <cloudpic> She is sick.... but in her case it seems less forgiveable because she is so smart and talented a wizard./ I mean witch [20:45] <DumbleDebbie> hi 7 [20:45] <CedrellaBlack> hey 7of9 [20:45] *** Pellinore has quit [Bye] [20:45] <SevenofNine> Greetings! [20:45] <fawkes28> hi 7 [20:45] <SevenofNine> Talking about Umbridge? [20:45] <freyja> evening all [20:45] <CedrellaBlack> Bella [20:45] <stewiegryf> hey SevenofNine [20:45] <DumbleDebbie> nope [20:45] <fawkes28> bella [20:45] <SoonerGryffindor> I love the way her confidence seems to have been shaken at the end of OotP [20:45] <cloudpic> Draco kill his aunt? She taught him things... [20:45] <SevenofNine> Ahhh [20:45] <Alexk> hi 7 [20:45] <Aislinn> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. Don't forget to vote in the latest poll for the next WWW chat [20:45] <SevenofNine> She [20:45] <cloudpic> he needed to know [20:46] <Rebekia> cloud--she is evil and yea it is a bit forgiveable becaus she's clevor. Holy cow that went fast [20:46] <MrMcGonagall> I can't wait to see the way Helena Bonham Carter portrays her in the movie. [20:46] <SevenofNine> I don't want Draco to kill anyone either [20:46] *** CarpeDiem has joined #lounge [20:46] <SoonerGryffindor> I cant either Mr M [20:46] <DumbleDebbie> wb CD [20:46] <SevenofNine> Might be fitting for LV to take her out. [20:46] <Rebekia> Mr. M...i cannot stand HBC So she's perfect. ;) [20:46] <freyja> I hate Bella, but she cares enough about her sister to follow her [20:46] <SevenofNine> Her alraedy has enough blood on his hands. [20:46] <freyja> maybe narcissa will take her out? [20:46] <futureweasley> MrMcG!! HBC is EXACTLY how I pictured Bella when I read her...it's so weird who that worked out! [20:46] <MrMcGonagall> She's a total pyscho. Bellatrix, not H.B. Carter [20:46] <Rebekia> I want bella to fall by her own sword!!! [20:46] <DumbleDebbie> lol freyja [20:46] <cloudpic> Or to spy on her for Lord V. [20:46] <Val_Halla> I don't think she was concerned about Narcissa [20:47] <Alexk> but i have to say, i just love her extent of evil, it's just so agressive and true, pure evil [20:47] <Rebekia> I want her to do something that screws her over....that'd be sweet. Watch her own mistake due her in [20:47] <harryfreak359> Bella is...scary. And I hate her...she killed Sirius and she's completely insane [20:47] <fawkes28> i think we are all in agreement that she needs to meet her demise in the 7th book [20:47] <SoonerGryffindor> What is scaries about Bella is that she totally buys into her own evileness [20:47] <Alexk> she forces you to want her to die [20:47] <CedrellaBlack> La muerte para Bella! [20:47] <ProngsPatronus> she needs help--and a place on a criminally insane ward at St. Mungo's [20:47] <cbm> Did the mark make her evil, or was she evil before? I have a theory the the mark contributes to the DEs behavior. [20:47] <CedrellaBlack> but i admit...I cant wait to see her in the movie [20:47] <MrMcGonagall> Bellatrix's name is well-chosen . . . war maker. [20:47] <DumbleDebbie> she was evil [20:47] <cloudpic> Good for you Prongs! [20:47] <Alexk> she's so good at being evil [20:47] <Rebekia> And she thinks she is so awesomely powerful that if she did die by her own hand... [20:47] <Aislinn> I think she was evil before the mark cbm [20:47] <futureweasley> Bella has so many displeasing qualities...she tortured Neville's parents and for that alone....Bellatrix LaStrange must die [20:47] <Alexk> for that i must thank her [20:47] <SevenofNine> I like it PP [20:47] <DumbleDebbie> people choose to take the mark because they're evil [20:48] <cbm> just thought I would ask. [20:48] * MrMcGonagall hands the wheel over to fw. [20:48] <cloudpic> I'm glad that JKR has created a smart and powerful female villain though [20:48] <futureweasley> lol [20:48] <DumbleDebbie> lol Mr M [20:48] <CedrellaBlack> trutrue cp [20:48] <Alexk> exactly, i love how she's pure evil [20:48] <SevenofNine> Psychotic, smart, and powerful female villain, yes [20:48] <Val_Halla> Her husband must be the ultimate hen-pecked husband [20:48] * DumbleDebbie watches out for an out-of-control bus [20:48] <fawkes28> and taunting neville...how old is she? siriusly [20:48] <Alexk> it's just exhilerating to know what she's doing, sick, but exhilerating [20:48] <ProngsPatronus> I think that it is easy to talk about ending a life--but much harder to do it [20:49] <futureweasley> it would be a VW bus...so it probably won't do much damage [20:49] <Alexk> i hope i don't sound psycho [20:49] <SevenofNine> Yes, Prongs [20:49] <SevenofNine> As Draco discovered [20:49] * CedrellaBlack takes the bus we used to attemp to run vernon over with and run bella over with it [20:49] <SevenofNine> And harry might [20:49] <fawkes28> i think we may need to get several buses for her [20:49] <futureweasley> Gilderoy Lockhart–a total fraud. His claim to fame was stealing the deeds of others and taking credit for them in his books. He would then wipe their memories with a memory charm. He’s currently looking for his marbles at St. Mungo’s and recently mastered joined-up writing. Did you hate this character? Why? [20:49] <ProngsPatronus> yes [20:49] <DumbleDebbie> lol FW, you'll heve to make multple passes [20:49] <MrMcGonagall> love to hate him. [20:49] <CedrellaBlack> I didnt hate him i thought he was quite! annoyinh though [20:49] <SevenofNine> Mr. Wussy man [20:49] <DumbleDebbie> what a git! [20:49] <cloudpic> He is my least favorite character... he repulses me. Completely. [20:49] <cbm> I strongly dislike liars! [20:49] <MrMcGonagall> Pink sharpie, anyone? [20:49] <harryfreak359> Not quite hate, but he is so irritating [20:49] <SevenofNine> But he may serve a purpose yet. [20:49] <freyja> i only hated him when he considered attacking 12 year olds [20:49] <SoonerGryffindor> actually what he did is every bit as bad as some of the baddies in the series [20:49] <fawkes28> lol mr. m [20:49] <harryfreak359> lol Mr.McG [20:49] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL Mr M [20:50] <cbm> He got what he deserved [20:50] <futureweasley> liars suck [20:50] <DumbleDebbie> yes, Sooner [20:50] <Alexk> what was lockhart's race, i forget? [20:50] <Val_Halla> He was such an obvious fake [20:50] <CedrellaBlack> I dont get it? [20:50] <fawkes28> locky amuses me [20:50] <Aislinn> Lockhart came across as a benign character, a bit silly, but what he did to people in his quest for fame was really quite despicable [20:50] <cloudpic> Bothers me more than the stronger evil beings for some reason [20:50] <Alexk> i think he was of my race [20:50] <Rebekia> Lockhart is an idiot. Like...did he really know the implications of using the memory charm on ron? or...trying to? I think hes just not so bright [20:50] <Alexk> that's why i ask [20:50] <futureweasley> and Locky is the King Supreme fabricator [20:50] <cloudpic> smarm. [20:50] <MrMcGonagall> What a sorry excuse for a wizard. [20:50] <SevenofNine> Yes. Was there really a cure for being a werewolf? [20:50] <fawkes28> yes, he made some very poor choices [20:50] <SevenofNine> Is it gone now? [20:50] <ProngsPatronus> I thought he was a delicious parody of most of those "do-it-yourselfers that make money on common sense--while having none of their own--what a puppet [20:50] <SoonerGryffindor> good point seven [20:50] <DumbleDebbie> good question 7 [20:50] <CedrellaBlack> good point [20:51] *** Punky has quit [Bye] [20:51] <SoonerGryffindor> I cant say that I feel bad that Lockie is in the Janus Thickey ward currently looking for his lost marbles [20:51] <futureweasley> the obliviate did him a favor [20:51] *** Punky has joined #lounge [20:51] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, there's a cure for being a werewolf. It's called "when the moon sets." [20:51] <CedrellaBlack> lol sooner [20:51] <Alexk> like fred and george, except f and w actually do the work [20:51] <CedrellaBlack> i got that one [20:51] <Val_Halla> He definitely got what he deserved [20:51] <DumbleDebbie> awww Mr M lol [20:51] <SevenofNine> I loved how they showed him at the end of the film [20:51] <SevenofNine> In a straight jacket [20:51] <Alexk> me too 7 [20:51] <Aislinn> it was poetic justice, yes val halla [20:51] <fawkes28> i love the irony that jo did with him...he was only good at memory charms...and then he lost his memory [20:51] <Alexk> ;p; [20:51] <SoonerGryffindor> Just think, that could have been Ron or Harry in that condision [20:52] <Alexk> lol [20:52] <ProngsPatronus> lol--sooner, that was one of JKR's perfect punishments fitting the crime [20:52] <SoonerGryffindor> what was it that Dumbledore said? [20:52] <cloudpic> Perfect justice. [20:52] <Aislinn> exactly sooner [20:52] <SevenofNine> And DD must have know it. [20:52] <DumbleDebbie> scary Sooner [20:52] <Val_Halla> Impaled on your own sword? [20:52] <SoonerGryffindor> impaled on his own sword? [20:52] <SoonerGryffindor> yes [20:52] <Aislinn> that was perfect [20:52] <SevenofNine> Would the MoM have pushed a teacher of its own if DD hadn't gotten him? [20:52] <cloudpic> Maybe Lord V. will suffer a simliar fate [20:52] <SoonerGryffindor> [20:52] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, that was great.. what goes around [20:52] <Val_Halla> I love DD [20:52] <ProngsPatronus> hoist by his own petard [20:52] <futureweasley> I love how we see him "signing autographs" in the closed ward....that, to me, is poetic justice [20:52] <fawkes28> true, debbie [20:52] <CedrellaBlack> karma [20:52] <MrMcGonagall> "Impaled on your own sword, Gilderoy?" [20:53] <cloudpic> It was a little like the wands battling... [20:53] <SoonerGryffindor> and then Lockie's line about Harry having a sword was priceless [20:53] <futureweasley> right MrMcG...totally [20:53] <SevenofNine> YES! [20:53] <gryffindelle> dont hate him, just dislike him [20:53] <DumbleDebbie> I had forgetten about that Sooner lol [20:53] <SevenofNine> He's pathetic. [20:53] <Rebekia> Yea...much distaste [20:53] <cloudpic> hated him, sorry [20:53] <MrMcGonagall> I liked him better with his memory wiped. [20:53] <SevenofNine> I pity him. [20:53] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Mr M [20:53] <Aislinn> me too Mr M [20:53] <CedrellaBlack> lol too MrMcG [20:53] <DumbleDebbie> true Mr M [20:53] <Rebekia> Pity the fool [20:53] <cloudpic> He had no remorse. [20:53] <Aislinn> I can do joined up writing, you know! [20:53] <fawkes28> i think he is a hoot before his memory is gone [20:54] <harryfreak359> lol [20:54] <DumbleDebbie> lol Aislinn, good for you! [20:54] <SoonerGryffindor> poor guy. Now he is resigned to running about with the pink sharpie signing everything in sight [20:54] <Val_Halla> me too fawkes [20:54] <fawkes28> ah, the pink sharpie [20:54] <CarpeDiem> Sooner - that's no differnt than before though [20:54] *** harrypotterfan123 has joined #lounge [20:54] <Rebekia> I dunno i think he knew what he was doing on some level when he let in the person to bring the plant [20:54] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Carpe [20:54] <DumbleDebbie> before? he's dangerous before his memory was wiped [20:54] <harrypotterfan123> HOLA! [20:54] <stewiegryf> He reminds me of that friend everyone has who is a notorious liar and you just nod your head and smile when he speaks. [20:54] <CedrellaBlack> hey hpf [20:55] <DumbleDebbie> hi HPfan [20:55] <cloudpic> think of the lives he ruined. [20:55] <Aislinn> yes cloudpic [20:55] <DumbleDebbie> a lot of them cloudpic :-( [20:55] <fawkes28> yes, he was immoral and knew what he was doing [20:55] <cloudpic> Stole their brilliance and destroyed their minds. [20:55] <SoonerGryffindor> okay guys, we got through the letter L instead of K, but there are still a lot of more lovely characters that we love to hate lined up for next week. [20:55] <fawkes28> shame on him [20:55] <cloudpic> wrtech. [20:55] <Aislinn> that is why I see him as more than just silly [20:55] <CedrellaBlack> Whats the pink sharpie about? i don't get it lol [20:55] <SevenofNine> Can memories be retored without damage? [20:55] <DumbleDebbie> yay! [20:55] <futureweasley> wow, cloudpic...that is exactly what he did [20:55] <SevenofNine> *restored [20:55] <ProngsPatronus> well, he did give us the opportunity to hear Ginny's poem to harry.... [20:55] <cloudpic> *wretch [20:55] <futureweasley> that was a great summary [20:55] <SoonerGryffindor> Ced, its from the second reading grou [20:55] <CedrellaBlack> I dont think so 7 [20:55] <Val_Halla> I'm not sure Lockhart destroyed their minds [20:55] <MrMcGonagall> I can't wait for next week. This is going to be great! [20:56] <CedrellaBlack> ohh [20:56] <CedrellaBlack> lol [20:56] <Alexk> i have to admit though, him being so full of himself was very very funny to read [20:56] <harrypotterfan123> r we talking about people we love to hate? [20:56] <cloudpic> Thanks., future [20:56] <CedrellaBlack> I was so confused! [20:56] <DumbleDebbie> he did VH [20:56] <fawkes28> yes, again! [20:56] <SoonerGryffindor> we are just finished ctually hpfan [20:56] <SevenofNine> Yep. [20:56] <SevenofNine> Lockhart right now. [20:56] <harrypotterfan123> oh no wonder [20:56] <SoonerGryffindor> but stay tuned fro part 2 next week [20:56] <cloudpic> Oh... can't wait until we get to U. [20:56] <fawkes28> and next week we get to chat about snape and umbridge for part of it [20:56] <stewiegryf> See you all next week! [20:56] <futureweasley> did you see the power behind the obliviate he was going to use on Harry and Ron? Yeah, I think his memory charms were THAT serious [20:56] <DumbleDebbie> lol [20:56] <SevenofNine> More characters wer like to hate? [20:56] * CarpeDiem parts his Fro [20:56] *** stewiegryf left #lounge [] [20:56] <SevenofNine> Part II? [20:56] *** harrypotterfan123 left #lounge [] [20:56] <SoonerGryffindor> we are gong in alphabetical order and only got through Lockhart this week [20:56] <fawkes28> there are so many characters to hate [20:56] <SevenofNine> Cool [20:57] <MrMcGonagall> When we get to have some deliciously evil characters like Umbridge. Hooray! [20:57] <ProngsPatronus> lll1ovely chat, a [20:57] <futureweasley> this was a great chat guys! [20:57] <CedrellaBlack> im in an aircast [20:57] <SevenofNine> There are so many! [20:57] <SoonerGryffindor> so all the best ones are next week [20:57] <SoonerGryffindor> [20:57] <cbm> My least favorite characters are all next week, we may need more than 2 hours, some of them need days [20:57] <futureweasley> thank you so much for being a part of it! [20:57] <ProngsPatronus> time to go [20:57] <Alexk> oh man! we didn't get to skeeter! [20:57] <fawkes28> and mr. m can continue to drive the bus [20:57] <cloudpic> Wonderful chat! [20:57] <DumbleDebbie> lol [20:57] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [20:57] <CedrellaBlack> I sprained my ankle and now im in an aircast [20:57] <Aislinn> we'll see you next time! [20:57] <CarpeDiem> Great chat everyone...bye! [20:57] <adamgryff> bye everyone [20:57] <Punky> Thanks guys! [20:57] <futureweasley> you guys amaze me every week...this was so much fun [20:57] <DumbleDebbie> that stinks Ced [20:57] *** CarpeDiem has quit [Bye] [20:57] <cloudpic> Thanks everyone for all the hard work and quick thinking [20:57] <fawkes28> thanks for coming everyone [20:57] <CedrellaBlack> byebyee avetryone! [20:57] *** adamgryff left #lounge [] [20:57] <SoonerGryffindor> okay, time for the group hug and then all of you guys can go see Carpe in the CoC [20:57] <Val_Halla> The only one I hated so far was Bella [20:57] <cloudpic> Bye [20:57] <Alexk> bye everyone [20:57] <MrMcGonagall> I sense a new avatar in the making, fawkes. [20:57] <gryffindelle> I've got to go, I'll see you all soon [20:57] <gryffindelle> bye [20:58] *** Punky has quit [Bye] [20:58] <SevenofNine> Bye everyone [20:58] *** Alexk has quit [Bye] [20:58] <fawkes28> hehe [20:58] *** gryffindelle left #lounge [] [20:58] *** ProngsPatronus left #lounge [] [20:58] <CedrellaBlack> hopefully i was good enough injusred at dance audutions [20:58] <CedrellaBlack> i find out friday! [20:58] *** SevenofNine has quit [Bye] [20:58] <MrMcGonagall> Bye everyone! [20:58] <CedrellaBlack> byebyeee!! [20:58] <SoonerGryffindor> good luck Ced [20:58] *** cloudpic has quit [Bye] [20:58] * fawkes28 joins in for a big hug [20:58] <CedrellaBlack> merci beaucoup! [20:58] <harryfreak359> bye everyone! [20:58] * MrMcGonagall hugs everyone and heads for the door, anxiously anticipating the next chat. [20:58] * futureweasley group hugs the remaining chatters [20:58] * harryfreak359 gives everyone a big hug! [20:58] *** gryffindelle has joined #lounge [20:58] * CedrellaBlack hugs everyone a bigf hug [20:58] *** gryffindelle left #lounge [] [20:58] <Val_Halla> Bye all [20:58] * DumbleDebbie grabs everyone within arms reach and pulls them into the hug [20:58] * SoonerGryffindor hands Mr M the keys to the KNight Bus [20:58] <harryfreak359> lol [20:58] <Rebekia> Yay!! THank you [20:58] <CedrellaBlack> lol [20:59] * fawkes28 hopes she never gets run over by the bus [20:59] <CedrellaBlack> hasta saturday! [20:59] * harryfreak359 hopes that as well [20:59] <Rebekia> Never Fawkes you can fly ;) [20:59] <CedrellaBlack> Oh yeah im starting to teach spanish lessons! [20:59] *** Val_Halla has quit [Bye] [20:59] <SoonerGryffindor> see you all Saturday for the movie!!!! [20:59] <CedrellaBlack> byebyeee [20:59] <CedrellaBlack> everyone [20:59] <SoonerGryffindor> [20:59] <fawkes28> lol rebekia [20:59] <harryfreak359> woot! [20:59] <harryfreak359> [20:59] * cbm I have to remember to look both ways [20:59] <fawkes28> [20:59] <CedrellaBlack> [20:59] *** MrMcGonagall left #lounge [] [20:59] <CedrellaBlack> ahahaaa [20:59] <harryfreak359> lol [20:59] <Rebekia>  [20:59] <futureweasley> OMG, that's scary [20:59] <fawkes28> lol all the room 13ers [20:59] <CedrellaBlack>  [20:59] <harryfreak359> love that smilie [21:00] <harryfreak359> yes [21:00] <cbm> good night [21:00] <harryfreak359> night! [21:00] <CedrellaBlack> well off to the CoC or to watrch CoS byebyee [21:00] <Aislinn> space first ced [21:00] <SoonerGryffindor> nite everyone [21:00] <CedrellaBlack> i always forget [21:00] <DumbleDebbie> lol with the excited guy [21:00] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [21:00] * futureweasley flicks the lights on and off [21:00] <DumbleDebbie> [21:00] <fawkes28> have a great night [21:00] <CedrellaBlack> [21:00] <Aislinn> ok, bye folks! [21:00] <CedrellaBlack> there we go [21:00] <Rebekia> Bye everyone. See you all in the hall ;) (where i will continue my argument that Sr. is not evil) [21:00] <Rebekia>  [21:00] <CedrellaBlack> okay bye for rea; this time [21:00] *** DumbleDebbie left #lounge [] [21:00] *** CedrellaBlack left #lounge [] [21:01] <futureweasley> see you guys soon! [21:01] *** Rebekia has quit [Bye] [21:01] * futureweasley waves to the remaining chatters, and ushers them to the door [21:01] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [21:01] * SoonerGryffindor is leaving cause she was not an official mod this chat and doesnt have to stay [21:01] <SoonerGryffindor> hahahahaha [21:02] * fawkes28 runs to join sooner [21:02] *** SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] --------------------  Sig Image by Brian Ross (DatM) and avi by Jeffhpfan |
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