Wize Wizard Wednesday Chat Transcript: 11-29-06, Jo's interviews - Consistencies and Contradictions |
 Nov 29 2006, 10:20 PM
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Today's chat mods were: Aislinn, Fawkes28, Futureweasley, and SoonerGryffindor.
[18:59] *** Topic is: Jo's Interviews [18:59] *** Topic set by futureweasley [Sun Apr 9 13:10:46 2006] [19:00] <Aislinn> hi folks [19:00] <Alexk> hey aislinn [19:01] <Alexk> testing... [19:01] <futureweasley> is anyone getting snowed on right nw?! [19:01] *** cbm has joined #lounge [19:01] *** ProngsPatronus has joined #lounge [19:01] <fawkes28> it's going to be an awesome chat tonight...woo hoo!!! [19:01] <Aislinn> hey cbm [19:01] <fawkes28> hi cbm and prongs [19:01] <Alexk> lol, i wish future [19:01] <futureweasley> hi cbm, prongs! [19:01] <Aislinn> hi prongs! [19:01] <cbm> hi everyone, this is a good topic! [19:01] <ProngsPatronus> hey, all! [19:01] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [19:01] <futureweasley> hi sooner [19:01] <fawkes28> hello sooner [19:02] <ProngsPatronus> *sigh* [19:02] <Alexk> hi sooner [19:02] <SoonerGryffindor> hey everyone! [19:02] <futureweasley> what's wrong, Prongs? [19:02] <ProngsPatronus> I was afraid the weather would prevent me from coming to the chat tonight [19:02] <Alexk> do you keep your computer outside? [19:02] <SoonerGryffindor> ooh, are you having ice storms also Prongs? [19:02] <fawkes28> glad you made it [19:02] <futureweasley> I'm glad it didn't Prongs [19:02] <ProngsPatronus> that winter storm is just hitting our area [19:02] <Alexk> oh [19:02] *** stewiegryf has joined #lounge [19:03] <futureweasley> hi stewie [19:03] <stewiegryf> hey! [19:03] <fawkes28> hi stewie [19:03] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [19:03] <Alexk> hi stewie [19:03] <futureweasley> don't you just LOVE Becky's new avi?! [19:03] <ProngsPatronus> Sooner, I am your neighbour! [19:03] <Alexk> hey debbie [19:03] <SoonerGryffindor> hey stewie, heuy Debbie [19:03] <futureweasley> hi Debbie [19:03] <stewiegryf> haha...that avi is great. [19:03] <DumbleDebbie> finally! [19:03] <DumbleDebbie> hey folks [19:03] <Val_Halla> hi Debbie [19:03] <SoonerGryffindor> close to OK rongs? [19:03] <ProngsPatronus> just east of you [19:03] <SoonerGryffindor> *Prongs [19:03] <SoonerGryffindor> woot [19:03] <ProngsPatronus> :smile: [19:04] <DumbleDebbie> any snow yet Sooner? [19:04] *** ultimately-yours has joined #lounge [19:04] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, so far that stuff hasnt hit here yet [19:04] <ProngsPatronus> we are supposed to get 6-10 inches where we are [19:04] <DumbleDebbie> well be careful if you have to go out [19:04] <Val_Halla> yikes [19:04] <SoonerGryffindor> snow would be fine. It the several inches of ice I dont want [19:04] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, that gets nasty if its ice [19:04] <ProngsPatronus> ya-hah! [19:04] <fawkes28> hi debbie and ultimately [19:05] <ultimately-yours> hi [19:05] <DumbleDebbie> hi [19:05] <Aislinn> sounds like winter has arrived [19:05] <ultimately-yours> what we talking about [19:05] <futureweasley> hi ultimate [19:05] <stewiegryf> no snow out in california. I've never had a white Christmas [19:05] <Aislinn> it's nice and balmy here [19:05] <Alexk> i'd rather have snow right now then this below freezing wind [19:05] <ProngsPatronus> with a vengeance [19:05] <ultimately-yours> theres not snow here [19:05] <DumbleDebbie> head for the hills Stewie! [19:05] <SoonerGryffindor> unfortunately in this part of the country you dont ever get "just snow". We get ice storms instead which kill powers lines like crazy [19:05] <ProngsPatronus> then comes the snow [19:05] <Aislinn> yeah, I much prefer the snow [19:05] <Alexk> i used to live in calif stewie, i miss it so much [19:05] <Alexk> so you're not missing much [19:05] <DumbleDebbie> yeah that can be scary Sooner, we had a wicked ice storm several years ago [19:06] <DumbleDebbie> freezing rain for a week straight [19:06] <SoonerGryffindor> been there, done that, getting ready to live it again I am afraid [19:06] <DumbleDebbie> [19:06] <stewiegryf> That's good to know alex. [19:06] <fawkes28> it feels more like spring here [19:06] <ultimately-yours> where r u all? [19:06] <DumbleDebbie> Maine [19:06] <Val_Halla> Ohio [19:06] <ProngsPatronus> we have been having 70 degree temps all week [19:06] <fawkes28> philly [19:07] <SoonerGryffindor> So if Prongs and I suddenly disappear, its not cause we dont like you guys [19:07] <Aislinn> NY [19:07] <DumbleDebbie> oh dear! [19:07] <ProngsPatronus> it has dropped 25 degrees in the past two hours [19:07] <ultimately-yours> lol, im from scotland in eh the UK lol [19:07] <Alexk> Wisconsin (Cheeseland) [19:07] <DumbleDebbie> cool ultimately [19:07] <DumbleDebbie> what part of Scotland? [19:07] <ultimately-yours> edinburgh [19:07] <SoonerGryffindor> it dropped from the 70's yesterday to mid 20's right now [19:07] <Val_Halla> Brrr [19:08] <DumbleDebbie> hey, it's Jo! [19:08] <stewiegryf> Wow sooner. That's a huge rop [19:08] <DumbleDebbie> just kidding lol [19:08] <ultimately-yours> haha, yeah [19:08] <stewiegryf> drop* [19:08] <futureweasley> wave hi to Jo for us CBers [19:08] <fawkes28> ah, next door neighbors with jo [19:08] <ultimately-yours> yeh she lives down the road [19:08] * DumbleDebbie waves to Jo [19:08] <Alexk> if one of you mods were jo, you would tell us right? [19:08] <DumbleDebbie> LOL [19:08] <Aislinn> mwuahahahahaha [19:08] <fawkes28> maybe [19:08] <SoonerGryffindor> no comment [19:09] <futureweasley> sure alex... [19:09] <SoonerGryffindor> [19:09] <DumbleDebbie> HA! [19:09] <futureweasley> lol [19:09] <Alexk> lol [19:09] <Alexk> hmmm... [19:09] <Alexk> now you made me wonder [19:09] <fawkes28> onder: [19:09] <Alexk> don't be surprised if i send you all interrogation pms [19:10] <stewiegryf> Well if you are, get off the CB and get back to writing! I want book seven soon. [19:10] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Stewie [19:10] * DumbleDebbie seconds Stewie's directive [19:10] <fawkes28> sure stewie no problem [19:10] <futureweasley> she deserves a break too, right? [19:10] <Aislinn> noooo, anticipation is so much fun! [19:10] <Alexk> lol, yeah aisfawfutickuffooner [19:10] <SoonerGryffindor> can you guys just imagine if that did happen? [19:10] <DumbleDebbie> we'd never know if it did [19:11] <fawkes28> "and so snape saved harry's life. the end" [19:11] *** ProngsPatronus has quit [Bye] [19:11] <SoonerGryffindor> I would so squee [19:11] <Alexk> ahah, sooner, it's you! [19:11] <fawkes28> hehehe [19:11] <Alexk> playing the fan, eh jo! jk [19:11] <Aislinn> fawkes, you are SO delusional [19:11] <DumbleDebbie> LOL, I can assure you it's not Sooner [19:11] <Val_Halla> It's fawkes who's Jo! [19:11] <stewiegryf> Harry Potter and Snape is Not Evil [19:11] *** ProngsPatronus has joined #lounge [19:11] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [19:11] <DumbleDebbie> unless Jo has developed a Southern accent [19:11] <futureweasley> Harry Potter and Snape Supporters are Delusional [19:11] <SoonerGryffindor> Harry Potter and Snape is my homeboy [19:12] <stewiegryf> well...she is a talented woman [19:12] <stewiegryf> LOL Sooner [19:12] <ProngsPatronus> what did I miss? [19:12] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Debbie. Yes, I do have a rather pronounced southern drawl [19:12] <DumbleDebbie> silliness PP [19:12] <ProngsPatronus> as do I [19:12] <futureweasley> playing around with book titles [19:12] <stewiegryf> Gonna get a t-shirt of that one, sooner? [19:12] <DumbleDebbie> I love the 'drawl' [19:12] <futureweasley> I think I got a good one [19:12] <SoonerGryffindor> unm, Alex thinks I am Jo and Debbie is making fun of my voice [19:12] <SoonerGryffindor> [19:12] <Aislinn> what is it, Future? [19:12] <DumbleDebbie> I am not! [19:12] <SoonerGryffindor> I know [19:12] <ProngsPatronus> lol [19:12] <DumbleDebbie> I love your voice [19:12] <DumbleDebbie>  [19:12] <SoonerGryffindor> but I had to mess with you [19:12] <Alexk> i'm gonna ask to borrow mrmcg's knight bus for my own special interrogation [19:13] <Alexk> lol sooner [19:13] <Alexk> yes you are [19:13] <DumbleDebbie> but of course [19:13] <Alexk> lol [19:13] <futureweasley> Harry Potter and the Delusional Snape Fangirls [19:13] <fawkes28> don't you trust us alex? [19:13] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [19:13] <DumbleDebbie> lol FW [19:13] * Alexk bangs head against wall [19:13] <SoonerGryffindor> wait! Delusional? [19:13] <Aislinn> I bet Debbie has her own accent - true Maniacs generally do [19:13] <DumbleDebbie> don't hurt yourself Alex [19:13] * stewiegryf is so not a fangirl [19:13] <SoonerGryffindor> lol stewie [19:13] <DumbleDebbie> I can put one on if I want to Aisliinn [19:13] <ProngsPatronus> lol@stewie [19:13] <fawkes28> so aislinn and future one day soon you realize that we were right [19:13] <futureweasley> c'mon Stewie...maybe a LITTLE [19:13] <futureweasley> :snicker: [19:13] <DumbleDebbie> but my Dad in from MN so I grew up in a mixed accent environment LOL [19:13] <Aislinn> keep on hoping, fawkes [19:14] <Aislinn> LOL [19:14] <stewiegryf> I prefer the term "fan who happens to be male" [19:14] <SoonerGryffindor> hahahha [19:14] <Aislinn> ooh, you have the Minnesota thing going on too? [19:14] <fawkes28> no need for hope here [19:14] <ProngsPatronus> for what--fanboy? [19:14] <futureweasley> oh alright! [19:14] <Aislinn> that's an interesting combination [19:14] <stewiegryf> yes prongs [19:14] <fawkes28> all is well [19:14] <DumbleDebbie> yup Aislin plus a little Canadian influence I think [19:14] <DumbleDebbie> just 'cause it's so close to here [19:14] <futureweasley> Stewie's a Snape Fanboy...awww!!! [19:14] <ProngsPatronus> well, as Aislinn knows, I am no Snape fangirl [19:14] <Alexk> yes stewie, and me "fan who happens to be male when he chooses" jk everyone [19:15] <Aislinn> nope, Prongs is definitely not [19:15] <SoonerGryffindor> *snort* [19:15] <DumbleDebbie> I think the MN and the ME accents canceled each other out or something [19:15] <fawkes28> i feel like we are picking teams in our own crazy version of dodgeball [19:15] <Aislinn> lol debbie [19:15] <ProngsPatronus> oooo--bludgerBall--cool! [19:15] <DumbleDebbie> I dunno, Sooner & FW. Do I have an accent? [19:15] <SoonerGryffindor> yes [19:15] <stewiegryf> I'm as much a fanboy of Snape's as you are a fangirl, future. [19:15] <fawkes28> ready to start?? [19:15] <DumbleDebbie> HA! [19:15] <futureweasley> a little Debbie [19:15] <DumbleDebbie> thanks Sooner [19:15] <DumbleDebbie> and FW [19:16] <fawkes28> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You’re not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you’ll be able to type again soon. [19:16] <fawkes28> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod [19:16] <fawkes28> You won’t be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it” in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [19:16] <fawkes28> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [19:16] <fawkes28> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [19:16] <futureweasley> Canon is defined as "the works of an author that have been accepted as authentic." When it comes to Harry Potter, JKR's interviews are considered as part of canon and as such are a valuable source of information in addition to the facts in the books. It would be nearly impossible to create a work of JKR's magnitude and not make a few minor mistakes along the way. The focus of tonight's chat will be to explore both the consistencies and i [19:17] <futureweasley> From the Lexicon: There are really two types of puzzles in the Harry Potter books. One type is the unanswered questions which are probably plot points to be answered later in the series. These types of mysteries engender all kinds of speculation and discussion, but will not be answered until the rest of the books are published. [19:17] <futureweasley> The other type of puzzle is the inconsistency, the (usually) minor error in continuity which is almost unavoidable in a complex and detailed series of books such as this. Inconsistencies, unlike unanswered questions, will probably not be solved by future books. They're just mistakes, and that's the way it is. So without further ado, lets discuss Jo interviews and how it both enlightens us on her works and the mysteries yet to be unravele [19:17] <futureweasley> Have you ever looked something up in one of Jo's interviews and why? [19:17] *** MrMcGonagall has joined #lounge [19:17] <DumbleDebbie> yes, inquiring minds want to know [19:17] <DumbleDebbie> hi Mr M [19:17] <fawkes28> hi mr. m [19:18] <Val_Halla> hi Mr M [19:18] <futureweasley> hi MrM [19:18] <ProngsPatronus> hey, mr. m [19:18] <Aislinn> hi Mr M [19:18] <SoonerGryffindor> hey Mr M [19:18] <Alexk> hey mrm [19:18] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, everybody! [19:18] <Aislinn> I look stuff up in Jo's interviews ALL the time [19:18] <futureweasley> I look in Accio Quote ALL THE TIME...but I can use askpeeves.org now! [19:18] <DumbleDebbie> you just missed Jo, Mr M [19:18] <DumbleDebbie> just kidding [19:18] <SoonerGryffindor> I love looking things up [19:18] <Aislinn> true, future! [19:18] <cbm> I went looking for my siginature: It's fun to write about Snape because he's a deeply horrible person. [19:18] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Debbie [19:18] <stewiegryf> Yes, I have looked up stuff in Jo's interviews. It's a great way to find out more things that aren't clear or stated in the books [19:18] <ProngsPatronus> to answer the question, I access her extra-book stuff a lot [19:18] <MrMcGonagall> Oh, now that's just wicked, Debbie! [19:18] <futureweasley> that' a great siggy cbm [19:19] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, I look up quotes to get the exact wording of something i know I've heard somewhere [19:19] <fawkes28> jo's interviews come in handy when you are trying to make a great point [19:19] <SoonerGryffindor> the reason why is when I am arguing a point, I want to be sure [19:19] <Aislinn> the interviews are a wonderful source of material to bolster a position in a post [19:19] <DumbleDebbie> sorry Mr M [19:19] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, I love the new AskPeeves. That will come in handy. [19:19] <futureweasley> I think it's important to look at jo's interviews from time to time...just to make sure I'm not completely unfounded in a particular belief I have [19:19] <SoonerGryffindor> and sometimes it is easier than going through the book [19:19] <ProngsPatronus> yes, the "deeply horrible" one is a quote I have used a LOT [19:19] <Alexk> lol, yes aislinn, i always use that against my fellow hp fan friends [19:19] <Aislinn> lol, me too, Prongs! [19:19] <fawkes28> because someone's people just don't believe you and the interviews offer great help to support your point [19:19] <DumbleDebbie> easier to Google the interviews than the books [19:20] <MrMcGonagall> There really is so much in the interviews. [19:20] <futureweasley> all anti-Snape-ophiles have used that...it's such a great quote [19:20] <SoonerGryffindor> well, and accio quote is so wonderful [19:20] <cbm> I am also interested in what she had to say the 1998 and 1999 interviews are much more informative than the current ones [19:20] <Aislinn> it is a wealth of information, yes [19:20] <DumbleDebbie> yes, it is SOoner [19:20] <SoonerGryffindor> exacly cbn [19:20] <MrMcGonagall> Jo has gotten more careful and reticent as the years have gone on. [19:20] <fawkes28> yes, i enjoy the older interviews as well, cbm [19:20] <Aislinn> she did hint at a lot of stuff back then, cbm, you're right [19:20] <MrMcGonagall> She's discovered how clever at wheedling information we are! [19:21] <stewiegryf> I think she now realizes that every word she says will be read by millions of people...she has to be more careful. [19:21] <ProngsPatronus> yes, she has seemed to get a bit more closed mouthed about a lot of stuff since book 6 [19:21] <stewiegryf> right sooner? [19:21] <SoonerGryffindor> hahaha [19:21] <DumbleDebbie> lol [19:21] <Aislinn> I think it's too hard for her to say anything at this point, with only one book left [19:21] <Alexk> what happened to the good old days, where you could just ask your fairy godmother [19:21] <fawkes28> she knows we analyze her every word so she does need to be careful [19:21] <futureweasley> Have you ever looked something up from Jo's website and did you learn anything from it? [19:21] <Aislinn> and the fact that we have combed over everything as much as we have [19:21] <Alexk> internet has put them out of business [19:21] <DumbleDebbie> yeah there are all kinds of neat tidbits in there [19:21] <fawkes28> and that we are having this chat right now [19:21] <SoonerGryffindor> I love trying to find the treats on her site, but I'm not bright enough to uncover most of them [19:22] <Aislinn> yes, her website is also a wonderful spot to find support for one's arguments [19:22] <ProngsPatronus> I love her website [19:22] <futureweasley> My favorite thing from her website is the explanation of wands...but I love the NAQ that was recently added, too [19:22] <ProngsPatronus> such a sense of wonder in there [19:22] <DumbleDebbie> same reason, to get an accurate quote usually [19:22] <MrMcGonagall> I totally cheat at getting some of the treats. [19:22] <futureweasley> her site is amazing [19:22] <Aislinn> I agree prongs [19:22] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Mr M [19:22] <cbm> I love her website, It is fun. [19:22] <stewiegryf> Yes! I love Jo's site. Especially the things that weren't included in the books. For example, I never knew Dean Thomas was half blood. [19:22] <Aislinn> it is so much fun to uncover the clues and find the prizes [19:22] <Alexk> as do we all mrm [19:22] <SoonerGryffindor> I love the misc stuff like the wizard of the month [19:22] *** SevenofNine has joined #lounge [19:22] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome seven [19:22] <futureweasley> hi 7of9 [19:22] <DumbleDebbie> hi 7 [19:22] <ProngsPatronus> hi, 7 of 9! [19:22] <Alexk> hi 7 [19:22] <Aislinn> the table she has for OotP is particularly fascinating [19:22] <Val_Halla> hi 7 of 9 [19:22] <fawkes28> i love how she has done the website because it makes her more personable [19:23] <DumbleDebbie> the Wombats have been fun! [19:23] <fawkes28> hi 7 [19:23] *** SevenofNine has quit [Bye] [19:23] <Aislinn> I love to get a glimpse like that into her process [19:23] <Alexk> of course you'd like your own invention sooner [19:23] <fawkes28> we feel like we know her better [19:23] <futureweasley> MrMcG...I have to cheat on those, too! They are just too tricky, or I'm too impatient...or a combo [19:23] <SoonerGryffindor> and it always makes me wonder if even the seemingly misc stuff *may* give a hint [19:23] <ProngsPatronus> I like her sense of humour [19:23] <fawkes28> yes, you just never know, sooner [19:23] <DumbleDebbie> leave no stone unturned Sooner [19:23] <cbm> One time she had a hand written document and the other side was typed text. I figured out the typed text Is that obsessive? [19:23] <MrMcGonagall> some of them I can figure out right away, but some would just be impossible without a little internet fandom assistance. [19:23] *** SevenofNine has joined #lounge [19:23] <fawkes28> yes, prongs, her humor is great [19:23] <Aislinn> I think the rune tiles that are there now are a clue [19:23] <DumbleDebbie> yes PP I love her sense of humor [19:23] <SoonerGryffindor> no cbm, not at all [19:23] <fawkes28> wb, 7 [19:23] <SoonerGryffindor> I do too Aislinn [19:24] <futureweasley> no, I think that's totally cool, cbm [19:24] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Aislinn, they gave me a lot to think about. [19:24] <futureweasley> I wish I had the patience [19:24] <cbm> It was scrap paper on the other side. [19:24] <SevenofNine> Me, too futureweasely [19:24] * SoonerGryffindor tries to imagine future with patience.... and fails! [19:24] <SevenofNine> I don't know how she can stand not spilling the beans [19:24] <ProngsPatronus> the best thing to do is to think like hermione [19:24] <fawkes28> lol [19:24] <DumbleDebbie> of course I thought all the Droobles gum wrappers were a hint before HBP was realeased [19:24] <Alexk> lol sooner [19:24] <Aislinn> what do people think that mysterious 7th rune is? [19:24] <futureweasley> Sooner...ooooooh! [19:25] <stewiegryf> I still think the WOMBATs have some sort of clue as to what's coming up in book seven. [19:25] <DumbleDebbie> ooo, lol [19:25] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont know Aislinn, what do you think it is? [19:25] <futureweasley> I know NOTHING about Runes...I need to dig a little deeper on that [19:25] <Val_Halla> I agree stewie [19:25] <MrMcGonagall> I'm sure there's a reason why Hermione has been studying runes and arithmancy all this time. [19:25] <Alexk> i feel your pain fw [19:25] <Aislinn> it's so hard to tell - you can see the creatures that most of the others represent - I sort of think its the squid [19:25] <DumbleDebbie> interesting Mr M [19:25] <DumbleDebbie>  [19:26] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree. I think the runes will tell us something [19:26] <futureweasley> Aislinn, what is the importance of the runes, anyway? [19:26] <Alexk> brb [19:26] <ProngsPatronus> well, it isn't a normal rune [19:26] <SoonerGryffindor> that is an emoticon that doesnt work in here yet Debbie, but I hope Nick fixes that someday [19:26] <DumbleDebbie> LOL [19:26] <Aislinn> I'm not sure, but I think that they hint at something [19:26] <DumbleDebbie> I tried [19:26] <SevenofNine> The runes? [19:26] <ProngsPatronus> it looked like LV to me [19:26] <MrMcGonagall> Like Ron, I think I'm just going to wait for Hermione to tell me the answer. [19:26] <futureweasley> is there a scribbulus essay about runes that you know of? [19:26] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [19:26] <DumbleDebbie> there are 7? [19:26] <Val_Halla> lol Mr M [19:27] <fawkes28> do you think it is a hint to the title or to something in the books? [19:27] <DumbleDebbie> I'm going to have to look again [19:27] <Aislinn> you think the 7th rune represents Voldy, prongs? [19:27] <futureweasley> that's my thought too, MrMcG [19:27] <DumbleDebbie> what about one for each bit of soul? [19:27] <Aislinn> no there isn't, future [19:27] <ProngsPatronus> it looks like the reborn Voldie to me [19:27] <SoonerGryffindor> that might be it Debbie [19:27] <Aislinn> but it would be a good one for someone to write! [19:27] <Aislinn> interesting! [19:27] <futureweasley> Sometimes Jo uses her website as a way to squash a rumor, do you like that or not and why? [19:27] <Val_Halla> Love it [19:27] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, when she smacks down John Noe LOL [19:27] <SoonerGryffindor> I love it [19:28] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, if a line of inquiry is unprofitable, I would like to have it squashed. [19:28] <cbm> I think it is a good thing! [19:28] <futureweasley> The first thing that comes to mind is the Snape under the Invisibility Cloak at Godric's Hollow [19:28] <ProngsPatronus> and I thought, since he did the Horcruxes, it might have something to do with that [19:28] <fawkes28> yes [19:28] <SoonerGryffindor> that was so funny when she gave John the horcri smackdown [19:28] <stewiegryf> Yes. I think that's its awesome that an author would care enough about what her fans talk about to kill rumors on her site. [19:28] <MrMcGonagall> We have plenty to think about without wasting time on crackpot theories. [19:28] <Aislinn> I LOVED it when she said that Snape was not under the cloak at GH [19:28] <ProngsPatronus> yes, I do like that [19:28] <futureweasley> I'm so glad she squashed it, because I was totally off on a tangent about it [19:28] <fawkes28> otherwise can you imagine how many chats we would have to have a week? [19:28] <SoonerGryffindor> me too Aislinn [19:28] <MrMcGonagall> I did a little happy dance over the horcri thing. [19:28] <Aislinn> me too MR M [19:28] <DumbleDebbie> lol [19:28] <SoonerGryffindor> so does anybody here not like it? [19:28] <futureweasley> I also love that she commented in the Rumors about Memerson [19:28] <ProngsPatronus> count me in for that one [19:28] <Aislinn> the horcri things grates on me like nails on a chalkboard [19:28] <futureweasley> *dies* [19:29] <fawkes28> yes, future [19:29] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, it's nice to not go on and on on a wild goose chase [19:29] <stewiegryf> My jaw dropped when I saw horcri on her site. i just sat and stared at my computer for a few minutes. [19:29] <fawkes28> it makes us feel more connected to her when she does things like that [19:29] <Aislinn> I agree fawkes [19:29] <fawkes28> we aren't that many degrees of separation away from jo [19:29] <ProngsPatronus> well, to me it shows that she does read what we write--and that she cares about it [19:29] <futureweasley> she listens to PC from time to time...that just lets me know how "connected" she is to her fans [19:29] <MrMcGonagall> I do think it's wonderful that Jo is paying attention to the fandom. [19:29] <SoonerGryffindor> I think its so great because you know that no matter how busy she is or famous she gets she keeps up with what we are talking about [19:29] <SoonerGryffindor> she "knows" the fandom [19:29] <futureweasley> me too MrMcG [19:29] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, that's neat FW [19:30] <Aislinn> and the little extra tidbits that she throws in are so fascinating [19:30] <futureweasley> How did you feel about Jo's humorous and humble answering of the "Mark Evans" question on her FAQ poll? Was she effectively able to avoid an angry backlash? [19:30] <Aislinn> that was so deftly done [19:30] <cbm> I thought it was nicely done [19:30] <Aislinn> just the right amount of humour and apology [19:30] <MrMcGonagall> The backlash people needed to worry about was the one I was ready to direct at the fans who voted for that question. [19:30] <DumbleDebbie> that is actually a fairly commen Welsh name I think [19:31] <stewiegryf> I agree Aislinn [19:31] <Alexk> back [19:31] <futureweasley> well, she definately stirred the pot and got some rumors flying with that one...I think she handled it beautifully [19:31] <ProngsPatronus> I think so--but i don't understand why there would be a backlash in the first place. I mean, we read these books because it is her pleasure to write them. [19:31] <fawkes28> it was nice that she squashed that rumor because we'd probably be having a chat on him [19:31] <MrMcGonagall> I would have preferred that she just smackdown that theory without making it a poll question. [19:31] <DumbleDebbie> some people get *way* too emotionally bound to their pet theories IMO [19:31] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Prongs, but some people just arent satisfied with anything [19:31] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Mr M [19:31] <Aislinn> I was disappointed with the last poll question too, Mr M - I wanted the one about Horcruxes to win [19:32] <stewiegryf> I agree Debbie. [19:32] <Val_Halla> I have to agree with you, Mr m there are more pressing questions [19:32] <fawkes28> she's just trying to make it fair with the polls [19:32] <DumbleDebbie> what a waste of a poll question eh Mr M? [19:32] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree that it was a waste as well [19:32] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, and they're too rare and valuable for us to waste them. [19:32] <DumbleDebbie> LOL [19:32] <SevenofNine> Too right, Mr M [19:32] <cbm> But, that was what we wanted to know [19:32] <futureweasley> Jo will a lot of times give us a ton of personal information on her website, but not as much information on the books. Do you like this or not and why? [19:33] <DumbleDebbie> we're like the plant in Little Shop of Horros... feed me! [19:33] <cbm> And we did not know it was a waste until she answered it [19:33] <ProngsPatronus> well, we know what will be important to us, but it is a world-wide fandom--and, apparently, it was important to a whole slew of other people [19:33] <fawkes28> she has to keep some mystery [19:33] <SevenofNine> Well, she has to be so careful not to give the story away. [19:33] <SoonerGryffindor> I think she has an appropriate balance [19:33] <Aislinn> apt metaphor, debbie [19:33] <fawkes28> i like learning about her and how the book is going [19:33] <MrMcGonagall> I think she gives us plenty of both, and for serious fans of the books I think it is helpful to know something of the author. [19:33] <Alexk> me too sooner [19:33] <futureweasley> I like that she allows the readers to read and devise opinions...and if they are interested in knowing more, they know where to look [19:33] <Aislinn> I do too, fawkes - it makes me feel closer to her [19:33] *** MafaldaWeasley has joined #lounge [19:33] <futureweasley> hi mafalda [19:33] <DumbleDebbie> hi Mafalda [19:33] <SoonerGryffindor> I love hearing her updates on how her writing is going, but I dont want to know the story before it comes out [19:33] <Aislinn> hey mafalda [19:33] <Alexk> hey Mafalda [19:33] <SoonerGryffindor> hi mafalda [19:33] <SevenofNine> hi Mafalda [19:34] <futureweasley> I love that, too, Sooner! [19:34] <ProngsPatronus> I like that we don't know everything to know about the books before they are published [19:34] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, the updates are fun [19:34] <SevenofNine> Me too Sooner [19:34] <ProngsPatronus> what would be the use of reading them then? [19:34] <MafaldaWeasley> hello guys!!! have I missed much? [19:34] <fawkes28> exactly prongs [19:34] <futureweasley> when she says she had a good week...I knew we are in for a treat!! [19:34] <DumbleDebbie> It was so cool in NYC when she said she had thought of another title that afternoon [19:34] <SevenofNine> But it was intriguing when she told us about the question we should have asked but hadn't [19:34] <futureweasley> just a little Mafalda [19:34] <SoonerGryffindor> and she is just as witty in her diary entries as she is in the rest of her writing [19:34] <Aislinn> mystery is such a large part of the books - it would spoil them to have too much given away [19:34] <fawkes28> she knows how to feed us a little info at a time just to get us excited and talking [19:34] <futureweasley> I loved that, too, Sheri [19:34] <SoonerGryffindor> I like getting the bit of insight into her mind [19:34] <futureweasley> whoops [19:34] <ProngsPatronus> I agree [19:34] <MafaldaWeasley> txs fw! [19:34] *** Ravenclaws_Heir has joined #lounge [19:34] <fawkes28> we really get excited over the tiniest information [19:34] <SoonerGryffindor> lol future [19:34] <Alexk> I like the fact that she gives out lots of personal info, perhaps her own personal stories are a way to clue give us clues into what she decides to do in her books [19:34] <SevenofNine> I can keep a secret, but not like Jo does! [19:34] <futureweasley> hi Ravenclaw [19:34] <fawkes28> hi ravenclaw [19:35] <DumbleDebbie> lol FW [19:35] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Hey! [19:35] <MafaldaWeasley> hello rave [19:35] <Ravenclaws_Heir> What are we talking about? [19:35] <Aislinn> hey ravenclaw [19:35] <fawkes28> yes, seven, jo is the best secret keeper [19:35] <DumbleDebbie> hi Ravenclaws [19:35] <futureweasley> Jo's Interviews Ravenclaw [19:35] <SoonerGryffindor> hi ravenclaw. We are talking about Jo's interviews [19:35] <SevenofNine> And she's SO careful [19:35] <Aislinn> we're talking about Jo's website right now [19:35] <Ravenclaws_Heir> thanks [19:35] <SoonerGryffindor> I like that too Alex [19:35] <ProngsPatronus> I LOVED it when the Black Family Tree came out [19:35] <SevenofNine> Think about the question of who she'd take for dinner [19:35] <DumbleDebbie> that was awesome PP [19:36] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [19:36] <MafaldaWeasley> me too PP [19:36] <futureweasley> that was really a great time for the fans, Prongs [19:36] <Aislinn> yes! it was great to get a closer look at the Family tree [19:36] <SoonerGryffindor> oh, that was a good answer, wasnt it? [19:36] <fawkes28> hi hf [19:36] <futureweasley> hi harryfreak [19:36] <MafaldaWeasley> that was awsome!!! [19:36] <SoonerGryffindor> hey hf [19:36] <stewiegryf> hey hf [19:36] <MrMcGonagall> Well, for instance, one of my big clues as to who died in Book 5 was Jo's story of writing that chapter. [19:36] <harryfreak359> Hello everyone! [19:36] <SevenofNine> I love the way she squashes rumors [19:36] <Alexk> hey hf! [19:36] <Aislinn> hi harryfreak [19:36] <SevenofNine> Hi HF [19:36] <MafaldaWeasley> hello HF [19:36] <Aislinn> really, Mr M? [19:36] <harryfreak359> Sorry, I'm late, just got back from work! It's a dust bowl out there [19:36] <DumbleDebbie> hi HF! [19:36] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, the novel is a work of art, so it helps to understand the artist and their connection to their work. [19:37] <futureweasley> If you read any of Jo's interviews, what are you looking to get out of them? [19:37] <harryfreak359> what's the current questions [19:37] <DumbleDebbie> clues!!! [19:37] <futureweasley> I'm looking for truth, clarification and understanding [19:37] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Hi hf! [19:37] <harryfreak359> oooh, never mind [19:37] <SoonerGryffindor> clues definitely [19:37] <SoonerGryffindor> lol hf [19:37] <ProngsPatronus> insight into her creative process [19:37] <stewiegryf> A better understanding of the books...and clues too! [19:37] <fawkes28> yes, even the tiniest clue [19:37] <Aislinn> I'm trying to gain a deeper understanding of her thought process [19:37] <cbm> Clarification from the source [19:37] <Val_Halla> Any hints about Snape's loyalty, lol [19:37] <MrMcGonagall> I just love getting insight into Jo. [19:37] <futureweasley> I'm also trying to figure out if I'm completely off track with some of my opinions or schools of thought about certain areas [19:37] <harryfreak359> Clues, definitely...and more information about the wizarding world [19:37] <Alexk> me too fw, but we'll never get it [19:37] <MafaldaWeasley> those nice and disguised clues [19:37] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Clue's and insight as to her as a person [19:38] <SoonerGryffindor> knowing more about her thought process helps us understand her better and understand the story and how she sees her creation [19:38] <Aislinn> me too, Future - I get impressions of what I read, and finding supporting information(or not) in the interviews helps hone those impressions [19:38] <SevenofNine> I'm looking to get answers to questions! ;) [19:38] <DumbleDebbie> right, then maybe we can see where she's going [19:38] <SoonerGryffindor> knowing that gives us major clues due to the insight we get [19:38] <futureweasley> I agree Sooner...and no other author has ever been more accessible to her fans [19:38] *** ultimately-yours has quit [Bye] [19:38] <Alexk> yes sooner [19:38] <fawkes28> yes and seeing her joys and frustrations with her writing...it makes her more real to us [19:38] <SevenofNine> Usually, I hear things from others and go looking for verification. [19:38] <ProngsPatronus> well, it gives me hope when I write! [19:39] <MrMcGonagall> It's really a fan-author relationship that's almost unique in literary history. [19:39] <SevenofNine> I've been caught too many times it inaccurate info by listening to others. [19:39] <SoonerGryffindor> what's hilarious is that 10 of us could look at the same interview and be split 50/50 on what we think it meant [19:39] <harryfreak359> lol, yes [19:39] <DumbleDebbie> lol sooner [19:39] <SevenofNine> That [19:39] <Aislinn> it is wonderful that we have this opportunity right now - it's quite special [19:39] <cbm> When I was posting in the snape's loyalty thread I was looking for quotes that could be used. [19:39] <SevenofNine> 's how careful she's been [19:39] <DumbleDebbie> except HF would say "both" [19:39] <stewiegryf> It's just like her writing, sooner. We read the same book and come to different conclusions. [19:39] <fawkes28> yes, it is aislinn [19:39] <SevenofNine> You are so right, Aislinn [19:39] <harryfreak359> yes, it is Aislinn [19:39] <MafaldaWeasley> yes soonerand this is what makes everything so interesting [19:39] <harryfreak359> LOL Debbie, yes, of course! [19:39] <SevenofNine> It's really fun to be part of this phenomenon [19:39] <fawkes28> and we'll have these transcripts to look back on [19:39] <futureweasley> yes MrMcG...that's why there are literary historians who are archiving all the updates she makes on her website...it's fascinating, and I'm proud to be a "ubber-fan" [19:39] <MrMcGonagall> Of course, we know that in the end only one conclusion will be correct! hehe. [19:40] <SoonerGryffindor> this is a special time [19:40] <ProngsPatronus> yes--it will never be like this again--and that IS special [19:40] <Aislinn> sooner - she is as good at being amgibuous in her interviews as she is in her writing [19:40] <futureweasley> When Jo tries to clear up reader misinterpretations, do you feel this infringes on your reading and interpreting process? Why or why not? [19:40] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, she is quite the sneaky one [19:40] <fawkes28> that is why i can wait for the book to come out [19:40] <DumbleDebbie> aww, now I'm feeling all nostalgic [19:40] <Aislinn> not even a little bit [19:40] <cbm> No, it keeps us from wasting time have [19:40] <futureweasley> I don't...I'm glad that she does point us in the right direction [19:40] <SoonerGryffindor> not really, but I can see how some people would [19:40] <Ravenclaws_Heir> No, I like to know if I'm going way off on the wrong track [19:40] <ProngsPatronus> absolutely not [19:40] <DumbleDebbie> nope [19:40] <fawkes28> no, i am enjoying my time with all of you [19:40] <Aislinn> it is her work, and if she can help me understand it more fully, than I am thrilled [19:40] <MafaldaWeasley> noo. i like when she does that... [19:40] <Val_Halla> I appreciate it when she clarifies things [19:41] <MrMcGonagall> No, because she says she really only smacks down things that are way off or fruitless lines of thought. [19:41] <futureweasley> right cbm...I HATE devising a theory and then finding out in hindsight that I was completely off base [19:41] <SoonerGryffindor> right [19:41] <cbm> We no longer have Dumbledore is alive discussions, and I think that is a good thing [19:41] <DumbleDebbie> hey, it's her work, she knows what she meant [19:41] <stewiegryf> No. I think this is her work and she wants to make sure people know what she meant, and that's cool. [19:41] <SoonerGryffindor> that is great point cbm [19:41] <futureweasley> right MrMcG...case in point, "Snape is a vampire" [19:41] <harryfreak359> I kind of in the middle on this one [19:41] <MafaldaWeasley> yes cmb [19:41] <Alexk> yes it can, when i end up thinking about what her clarification means, lol, clarifying a clarification [19:41] <fawkes28> it's better to clear it up before we get too deep into our thoughts [19:41] <Aislinn> are you, hf? [19:41] <Val_Halla> A lot of times the things she clears up seem to be things she meant to be clear all along [19:41] <harryfreak359> yeah [19:42] <SoonerGryffindor> that's a good way to look at it stewie. Its easy to forget sometimes that this is her own creation. We are all such big fans that we want to contributte [19:42] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, a lot of energy ccan be put behind something that is way off, better to stop it now than let it go for months and months [19:42] <Alexk> would be helpful too [19:42] <Ravenclaws_Heir> agreed, val_halla [19:42] <SevenofNine> I think it's important for Jo to clear things up [19:42] <fawkes28> yes, val, that we think too much into [19:43] <stewiegryf> Exactly Mr.M. [19:43] <SoonerGryffindor> it doesnt change my enjoyemtn, it just makes me look at it a different way [19:43] <MafaldaWeasley> nothing really.. i laugh cause i didn't see it coming and move ahead [19:43] <SevenofNine> I work very hard not to get too attached to any theories just so I don't ruin the ending for me. [19:43] <futureweasley> no, if anything, it endears her to me more! I'm like "ah, you tricked me", or "you challenged me, and I failed". It makes me think more, and I love that [19:43] <Ravenclaws_Heir> agreed, fawkes [19:43] <Aislinn> I'm trying to remember something that has debunked any of my thoughts....... [19:43] <SoonerGryffindor> that is how I look at it too future [19:43] <ProngsPatronus> so far, I have been lucky--but, if i were to be way off on something, I would go back and re-read it, to see where I went so wrong [19:43] <cbm> Not at all. In a way, she is writing a mystery and I expect to misinterpret things when reading mysteries. [19:43] <Alexk> She doesnt' have my mind, we're meant to think about it in different ways [19:43] <SevenofNine> It will be so fun for me to read Book 7 and say, wow we got this one but we were so wrong on this one! [19:43] <Aislinn> yes, me too prongs [19:43] <Alexk> *or perspectives [19:43] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Me to seven! [19:43] <DumbleDebbie> right 7 [19:44] <SoonerGryffindor> I fully anticipate being wrong on a lot of things, but the speculation is fun. I am confident that however she writes it, it will be done well [19:44] <MrMcGonagall> I sometimes go through many different positions and stages in my thinking, so I can usually say that at one point I had it right! [19:44] <fawkes28> yes, seven, because we never can truly guess what will happen, which is what makes it so much fun [19:44] <Aislinn> LOL mr m! [19:44] <DumbleDebbie> yes, the conspiracy threorizing is a fun game, even if we end up way off [19:44] <SoonerGryffindor> I have changed my mind on so many things since just being a Leaky member and talking to other fans. [19:44] <DumbleDebbie> lol Mr M [19:44] <futureweasley> It will be so fun to read book 7 and point out to my friends how wrong THEY were about certain crucial information!! *coughSnapecough* [19:44] <stewiegryf> Yes, Mr. M. If you are in the middle on everything, you can never be wrong! [19:44] <Val_Halla> Actually, I did like the theory that Regulus = Stubby Boardman. I was amused at myself when that was debunked. [19:44] <cbm> I was wrong on a bunch of stuff in HBP, so I expect the same thing to happen on 7 [19:44] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Lol, stewie, I think I do that a lot [19:44] * SoonerGryffindor puts MJ in a headlock [19:44] <harryfreak359> lol [19:45] <stewiegryf> and we could say the same future [19:45] <fawkes28> but some of us with be right with certain topics and we can smile as we look back and laugh [19:45] <DumbleDebbie> lol VH [19:45] <DumbleDebbie> lol Sooner [19:45] <futureweasley> I need to know more about Stubby Boardman...I don't get it [19:45] <SoonerGryffindor> hahahah [19:45] * fawkes28 joins sooner in putting future in a headlock [19:45] <futureweasley> Jo has said that she will never intentionally mislead us in her interviews. Do you think that she has ever unintentionally mislead us? [19:45] <DumbleDebbie> like I was saying about people getting too emotionally bound to theories... [19:45] <MrMcGonagall> There are often things I'm pretty firm on, but I wouldn't feel cheated if I was wrong. I try to focus on appreciating the story, and that's what's most important to me. [19:45] * harryfreak359 also joins Sooner and Fawkes [19:45] <fawkes28> lol hf [19:45] <Aislinn> I think she probably has, future [19:46] <Val_Halla> Yes, Mark Evans [19:46] <stewiegryf> No. She sometimes is ambigious but never out and out lies. [19:46] <SoonerGryffindor> I think there have been times when she has almost accidentally let something slip [19:46] <fawkes28> i don't think she would do it on purpose [19:46] <futureweasley> Right, Mark Evans she felt horrible about [19:46] <SevenofNine> I imagine she has or she wouldn't have phrased it that way. [19:46] <Alexk> yes, for those of us over-analyzers [19:46] * DumbleDebbie breaks up the chatters and moves them to their respective corners [19:46] <MrMcGonagall> Well, I really think it was kind of sneaky putting the Mark Evans question in the poll, because it only served to heighten speculation about him when in fact there was nothing to consider. [19:46] <futureweasley> and did what she could in terms of "damage control" right away [19:46] <SevenofNine> Plus there are so many different viewpoints from people have are reading the same material [19:46] <fawkes28> there is so much information that she has to know...it's normal for her to slip up every now and then [19:46] <ProngsPatronus> if we are misled, I think that comes down to it being our fault--we examine everything she says so much [19:46] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Probably, with the way we over analyze everything she says how could we not be mislead sometime? [19:47] <cbm> maybe, but I think that some people tend to twist what she says to suit pet theories [19:47] <futureweasley> lol PP, very true [19:47] <fawkes28> nice point, prongs [19:47] <Aislinn> we do read sentences for tiny nuances, prongs, you're right [19:47] <SevenofNine> Well, some people want things to go a certain way and will be mad when it doesn't [19:47] <harryfreak359> Well...sadly I already have to go...dinner time [19:47] <SoonerGryffindor> so maybe we do it to ourselves more than Jo does? [19:47] <SevenofNine> That's not Jo's fault [19:47] <Ravenclaws_Heir> very true prongs [19:47] <fawkes28> bye hf [19:47] <SoonerGryffindor> awww, bye hf [19:47] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, I agree, Sooner. [19:47] <DumbleDebbie> by HF [19:47] <Alexk> see you hf [19:47] <stewiegryf> bye hf! [19:47] <futureweasley> she's quite aware of how much we look and relook at all her "canon"...I think that she is as careful as she can be [19:47] <Val_Halla> by hf [19:47] <Ravenclaws_Heir> bye hf [19:47] <harryfreak359> bye guys, was fun while I was here! [19:47] <Aislinn> that's true, seven - I've seen someone say they were giving away their books when they heard that DD was dead [19:47] <SevenofNine> Yes Sooner [19:47] <ProngsPatronus> yes, I believe we do, Sooner [19:47] <futureweasley> bye harryfreak [19:47] <DumbleDebbie> I think so too FW [19:48] <SevenofNine> Yep I remember that one Aislinn [19:48] <fawkes28> that is why she doesn't do too many interviews [19:48] <DumbleDebbie> that's horrible Aislinn! [19:48] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [19:48] <SoonerGryffindor> well, that sums it up. we are just too clever for our own good [19:48] <Aislinn> it is, debbie [19:48] <SevenofNine> But it's Jo's story not ours. [19:48] <MafaldaWeasley> yeah aislinn, never saw that girl again [19:48] <futureweasley> There have been a few plot points and rumors confirmed by Jo (anvil sized hints) yet some fans still refute the evidence. Do you sometimes wish Jo would just come out straightaway and definitely say what she means without being so ambiguous? [19:48] <fawkes28> it was very brave of her to come to new york [19:48] <SevenofNine> And it's not like she hasn't had this all worked out for many years [19:48] <Ravenclaws_Heir> True, future, can you imagine how much pressure it must be knowing every word you say is going to be over analyzed to the extreme? [19:48] <DumbleDebbie> yes [19:48] <Aislinn> exactly seven [19:48] <SoonerGryffindor> Sometimes it does frustrate me [19:48] <Aislinn> and it is her story after all [19:48] <Val_Halla> No, I want it all explained in the last book and not before [19:48] <futureweasley> very brave, fawkes...to open herself up like that...very daring...true Gryffindor [19:49] <cbm> Not until after book 7 [19:49] <MafaldaWeasley> yes.. hehehehe [19:49] <fawkes28> no, i think some people are so determined to be right [19:49] <DumbleDebbie> because so much time and energy get expended going around in circles [19:49] <MafaldaWeasley> some people just don't listen at all... [19:49] <Aislinn> I agree, Val - we aren't to then end yet [19:49] <fawkes28> yes, malfada [19:49] <SoonerGryffindor> but some things she has hinted at, but not come totally out with [19:49] <cbm> Unless she wants to settle the snape's loyalty thread, then I will be all ears [19:49] <Ravenclaws_Heir> It can bug me sometimes, but then again its one of those little things that makes her Jo [19:49] <Aislinn> I want things revealed at the time Jo is ready to reveal them - in the book [19:49] <SoonerGryffindor> *coughanvilsizedhintscough* [19:49] <SevenofNine> Jo's beating around the bush makes it so fun for us to consider all possibilities. [19:49] <fawkes28> it is jo's story and some people just don't get it [19:49] <SevenofNine> That's half the fun [19:49] <futureweasley> the 2 CANON statements that kill me that people still argue against: Ron/Hermione and Dumbledore is Dead. I mean...isn't it obvious?! Could she have made it more plain for us? [19:49] <Alexk> no, it's so much fun to hear the different opinions on what she meant, so i'd much prefer she leave some riddle to it [19:50] <stewiegryf> Sometimes. People can be so narrow minded that they refuse to see things until Jo comes out and says them *cough*DDisnotdead.com [19:50] <ProngsPatronus> well, the thing is---she doesn't OWE us anything! [19:50] * Ravenclaws_Heir toasts future [19:50] <SevenofNine> Now, I am satisfied that DD is dead, but what does it mean to pull a Gandalf? [19:50] <fawkes28> sadly, some people don't want to hear anything but their own thoughts [19:50] <SevenofNine> He really died. [19:50] <SevenofNine> Gandalf [19:50] <DumbleDebbie> yes, I think Sooner was slyly referring to Harry/Hermione hangers on [19:50] <Val_Halla> Yeah, fw, those two things seem settled to me [19:50] <SoonerGryffindor> but I think some people are so stubborn that they will not give in till she says it straight out [19:50] <DumbleDebbie> Gandalf was resurrected [19:50] <SoonerGryffindor> lol. Yes Debbie [19:50] <SevenofNine> So people who really want to cling to that feel they have amo [19:51] <SoonerGryffindor> and that is why I wish sometimes she would take the more direct approach [19:51] <ProngsPatronus> however--Gandalf was not written by JKR [19:51] <futureweasley> you are right, Prongs...but she feels endebted to the fans, and gives all that she can. I love when she offered up tidbits...and who am I to question what she says? Just take it for what it is, right? [19:51] <fawkes28> it comes from the author's mouth herself and that is simply just not good enough for some people [19:51] <DumbleDebbie> me too Sooner [19:51] <SevenofNine> No, but she's the one who referred us to him [19:51] <SevenofNine> She said he wouldn't pull a gandalf. [19:51] <DumbleDebbie> she was trying to be vague, then when pressed in a 2nd question she put it out plainly [19:51] <SevenofNine> So if someone wants to believe that DD faked his death, they feel she may have given them an out [19:51] <futureweasley> I loved when she said that, 7,,,as I was on the fence about the whole situation [19:52] <DumbleDebbie> I wonder if she would have been so straightforward if it had been asked by someone other than Salman Rushdie [19:52] <SevenofNine> For me it wasn't Gandalf but the whole 5 stages of grief [19:52] *** CarpeDiem has joined #lounge [19:52] <Aislinn> right, debbie, that was how it seemed to me, listening to her [19:52] <cbm> FW was one row in front of Salmon [19:52] <DumbleDebbie> hi CD [19:52] <futureweasley> why Debbie? why taunt me with Salman?! [19:52] <DumbleDebbie> were you there too Aislinn? [19:52] <futureweasley> hi CarpeDiem!! [19:52] <fawkes28> lol [19:52] <DumbleDebbie> LOL FW [19:52] <fawkes28> hi carpe [19:52] <Aislinn> I was!! [19:52] <Alexk> hi carpediem [19:52] <ProngsPatronus> I think she did everything in the books to make sure that we would be sure--down to the blood. I think it took her by surprise when people took that as meaning something else [19:52] <CarpeDiem> Good evening all! [19:52] <Aislinn> hi carpe [19:52] * DumbleDebbie thinks FW is a Salman Rushdie fangirl [19:52] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Hi carpediem! [19:52] <SoonerGryffindor> he carpe [19:52] <futureweasley> I was directly in FRONT of Salman...just for the record [19:53] * SoonerGryffindor giggles remembering the salman story.... [19:53] <cbm> I was 2 rows behind him sittng next to AlexTLC [19:53] <DumbleDebbie> lucky you! [19:53] <futureweasley> Do you think that the timing of some of Jo's interviews are affecting the way we look at her quotes? For example, something she said years ago can now be taken in a different context in light of a new book. [19:53] <DumbleDebbie> I was much further back, with binoculars LOL [19:53] <SoonerGryffindor> I totally think this [19:53] <cbm> Yes [19:53] <Val_Halla> definitely [19:53] <Aislinn> I think sometimes people forget the timing when they interpret something she says [19:54] <DumbleDebbie> very true [19:54] <SoonerGryffindor> like when she says Harry will get a new pet. I think that already happened [19:54] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Yes, we can't expect her to never change her mind about certain things beween books [19:54] <fawkes28> definitely, she gives us clues when we least expect them or when they don't mean anything at the time but now they do [19:54] <DumbleDebbie> Buckbeak? [19:54] <SoonerGryffindor> ditto for his eyes [19:54] <fawkes28> like the snake lore [19:54] <Aislinn> yes, good example sooner [19:54] <futureweasley> absolutely...like the newly found "Snake Lore" from years and years ago [19:54] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, Buckbeak [19:54] <futureweasley> exactly fawkes [19:54] <futureweasley> that was back in 2000...it's been 6 years since that interview! [19:54] <fawkes28> that didn't mean much back then but now we are going crazy over that interview [19:54] <Aislinn> I think she told us a lot in those early interviews [19:54] <SoonerGryffindor> but some of the hints came several years ago, so we dont know for sure what books she meant for them to be revealed in [19:55] <ProngsPatronus> I think that people get bored, waiting for the next installment, so they "mine" the interviews for something to talk about [19:55] <Alexk> Not really, though she's tweaked the plot line quite a bit since years ago, I'm sure she wouldn't change the main idea of the story [19:55] <stewiegryf> I think of the interviews as re-reading old books. Some things just make more sense in light of the new book to come out. [19:55] <Aislinn> right - some of them are meant for things we have seen happen in book 4, 5 and 6 [19:55] <cbm> Saying there is more to Severus Snape can mean different things depending on when it was said, she said that about him once ad the quote keeps being brought up. [19:55] <DumbleDebbie> she may have also changed This post has been edited by fawkes28: Nov 29 2006, 11:16 PM -------------------- |
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[19:55] <DumbleDebbie> lol Soner
[19:56] <futureweasley> that is where the death/reprieve thing could come in [19:56] <MrMcGonagall> I think that was secondhand info fawkes. [19:56] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, I think the tming is very important sometimes [19:56] <cbm> there is no transcript for that, only the memory of a bookstore employee [19:56] <ProngsPatronus> well, the death/reprieve thing is good fun, isn't it? [19:56] <futureweasley> right cbm [19:56] <MrMcGonagall> someone said she said . . [19:56] <SevenofNine> All I remember is when she was asked why she wouldn't write more books about Harry after school, she asked why we thought Harry would be alive. [19:56] <DumbleDebbie> yes PP [19:57] <futureweasley> When someone quotes Jo, do you find it important to go back and read the full interview to see the context she was speaking in? [19:57] <Aislinn> I do, yes [19:57] <Val_Halla> yes [19:57] <SoonerGryffindor> ye [19:57] <MafaldaWeasley> yes i do.. [19:57] *** DumbleDebbie left #lounge [19:57] <cbm> Yes [19:57] <SevenofNine> Gotta run. Bye all! [19:57] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Depends...mostly yes [19:57] <ProngsPatronus> something to keep the fans buzzing while she is busy writing [19:57] <fawkes28> bye seven [19:57] <futureweasley> I think it's important to know where she was coming from [19:57] <Aislinn> bye seven! [19:57] <futureweasley> bye 7 [19:57] <MafaldaWeasley> by seven [19:57] <stewiegryf> Yes. It's always a good idea to get the context of any quote [19:57] *** SevenofNine has quit [Bye] [19:57] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, I find it helpful. [19:57] <ProngsPatronus> bye, 7 [19:57] <SoonerGryffindor> because sometimes people try to fit something around their theory and take it out of context [19:57] <Ravenclaws_Heir> bye seven! [19:57] <futureweasley> context is key...as it is with everything [19:57] <Alexk> yes, because i've experienced people using her quotes with the wrong idea behind it [19:57] <Aislinn> the meaning can be quite different, depending on its context [19:57] <ProngsPatronus> I always go and read the entire quote [19:57] <cbm> Whenever I use a quote, I make it a link [19:57] <fawkes28> yes, sooner [19:58] <ProngsPatronus> I hate things taken out of context [19:58] <Aislinn> good idea, cbm [19:58] <futureweasley> right, like when fawkes made her siggy say that I said Snape was good...TOTALLY out of context [19:58] <fawkes28> LOL [19:58] <MafaldaWeasley> me too cbm [19:58] <SoonerGryffindor> I do that too cbm, and I love it when the rest of you guys do that as well [19:58] <SoonerGryffindor> lol future. That was just funny [19:58] <futureweasley> when Jo says it, I need to know what she said before and after...it helps me digest it [19:58] <CarpeDiem> lol FW...in your case I think it's different FW I [19:58] <Ravenclaws_Heir> What she says is so often taken out of context, like after the richard and judy show I read this article about how "Jo reveals that HArry will not make it through the series!" [19:58] <Ravenclaws_Heir> except they didn't say Jo [19:58] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [19:58] <cbm> FW said Snape was good? Thought she had more sense than that [19:59] <SoonerGryffindor> hahahaha [19:59] <futureweasley> cbm!!! it was OUT OF CONTEXT!! [19:59] <DumbleDebbie> I missed FW saying Snape was good? [19:59] <futureweasley> I swear [19:59] * DumbleDebbie checks FW's temperature [19:59] <Alexk> lol [19:59] <cbm> LOL [19:59] <fawkes28> lol...i'm dying of laughter here [19:59] <stewiegryf> lol [19:59] <Ravenclaws_Heir> lol [19:59] <DumbleDebbie> stinkin' lag [19:59] * ProngsPatronus thinks the air has gotten a bit blue [19:59] *** SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] [19:59] <futureweasley> we are all proving a VERY important point here! [19:59] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [19:59] <MrMcGonagall> There is just no way she's going to slip and tell us something that big. [19:59] <futureweasley> Context is quite important [20:00] <Aislinn> nope, she wouldn't, Mr M [20:00] * cbm is still laughing [20:00] <fawkes28> yes, future, we very nice example [20:00] <Alexk> yes Mrmcg [20:00] <DumbleDebbie> there are some things, big things that she will work hard to keep ambiguous [20:00] <MrMcGonagall> You can see Jo thinking when she speaks. That's why I love the televised interviews. [20:00] <fawkes28> some people are just so rude and misconstrue statements [20:00] * futureweasley is the queen of analogies [20:00] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Mr M [20:00] <futureweasley> Have you ever made the mistake of misinterpreting something Jo has said? [20:00] *** Ravendor has joined #lounge [20:00] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome ravendor [20:00] <DumbleDebbie> hi Ravendor [20:00] <Ravenclaws_Heir> agreed, Mr. M [20:00] <Val_Halla> Why is that it's mainly journalists who don't read the books that do HP storiess (Voldermort, anyone?) [20:00] <fawkes28> hi ravendor [20:00] <Ravendor> hey, everyone [20:00] <Alexk> guilty [20:00] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Hi Ravendor [20:01] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont think that I have, but we will see after book 7 [20:01] <cbm> Probably [20:01] <MrMcGonagall> No, sometimes I've remembered it incorrectly, though. [20:01] <Aislinn> I hope I haven't, but we'll see when 7 comes out [20:01] <futureweasley> I'm having a problem right how with something she said at the NYC reading [20:01] <MrMcGonagall> But Accio Quote is there to set me straight. [20:01] <SoonerGryffindor> the thing I hate the most is when I know I have seen a quote on something and then I cant find it [20:01] <Val_Halla> Me, too Mr M. So embarassing [20:01] <stewiegryf> Yes...sometimes I read something so quickly that I misread and misinterpret things [20:01] <fawkes28> yes, sooner! [20:01] <Ravendor> oh, I agree, Sooner [20:01] <SoonerGryffindor> what was that future? [20:01] <MrMcGonagall> I try not to get too speculative about the more ambiguous things she says. [20:01] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Agree Sooner! I hate that! [20:02] <ProngsPatronus> yep--my sieve-like memory... [20:02] <Aislinn> what was that, future? [20:02] <fawkes28> or when you ask a group of chatters if she said he trio survives when it was only second-hand info [20:02] <DumbleDebbie> it's good also, even if you have a pet idea. to try to interpret things from all angles [20:02] <Alexk> it's just so maddening when Jo tells us she's already given away a big part of the story and we have to look back in all the books to find out what she meant [20:02] <SoonerGryffindor> hahaha [20:02] <futureweasley> she was asked who she would have to dinner...and she named the Trio and just sat for a minute. Everyone started yelling out characters, she grimaced and said "but, see, I know what happens in the end". After another minute of deliberation, she chose Hagrid. I think that was pretty telling [20:02] <MrMcGonagall> Of course she thinks she's given it all away. She hid he clues. [20:02] <Ravenclaws_Heir> YEs Alexx! I hate that! [20:03] <DumbleDebbie> but he may have gotten a reprieve after that if he was on the chopping block [20:03] <Ravenclaws_Heir> I think that was intentional, future [20:03] <Aislinn> well, King also told her it could be dead characters before she finished answering future [20:03] <SoonerGryffindor> this is what I was wondering about unintentionally giving stuff away [20:03] * MrMcGonagall wishes I was at the NYC reading. [20:03] <fawkes28> it can be interpretted in so many ways [20:03] <ProngsPatronus> I just think that she likes those characters [20:03] <futureweasley> right...I think she basically told us right there that Hagrid was a goner [20:03] <stewiegryf> I have problem with that too future. Didn't she say something about only taking living characters? But she named Dumbledore? [20:04] <DumbleDebbie> I think the one thing she said that she didn't intend to say flat out was the Dumbledore answer to Salman [20:04] <cbm> It was well worth the trip to NYC, I got to meet FW there [20:04] <ProngsPatronus> and would like to sit down to tea with them---as long as hagrid doesn't cook! [20:04] <Aislinn> that was my fear, hearing the way she answered it [20:04] <MrMcGonagall> Any time I have to try and interpret something like that, I take my own conclusions with a mill full of salt. [20:04] <futureweasley> aww! *hugs cbm* [20:04] <DumbleDebbie> but the reprieve comment came after NYC [20:04] <SoonerGryffindor> so that could be open to different kinds of interpretaton [20:04] <futureweasley> yes, let's leave the cooking to the House Elves, shall we? [20:04] <DumbleDebbie> have they fixed the video of the Q&A from that? [20:04] <Aislinn> I think he did startle her, debbie [20:04] <SoonerGryffindor> I interpret it as Jo accidentaly slipped [20:04] <cbm> I thought it was before [20:04] <DumbleDebbie> it was all scrambled after Salman starts speaking [20:04] <stewiegryf> Actually it came about a month and a half before NYC debbie [20:05] <DumbleDebbie> the audio was from another clip [20:05] <DumbleDebbie> ewwww, rats stewie [20:05] <Aislinn> the reprieve comment? no, it was after [20:05] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, the chopping block came from the Richard and Judy interview. [20:05] * fawkes28 went to the first night and wishes salman had been there that night [20:05] <futureweasley> the reprieve thin was after NYC [20:05] <futureweasley> that would have certainly been a question if it was before [20:05] <futureweasley> What do you think about the boldness of Jo's statement concerning Dumbledore's death and is there any other way to interpret her statements on this matter? [20:05] <MrMcGonagall> Richard and Judy was before NYC [20:05] * SoonerGryffindor already cant remember events from less than 4 months ago [20:05] <stewiegryf> The reprieve comment was on Richard and Judy which was in June, was it not? [20:06] * DumbleDebbie has a hard time with last week [20:06] <DumbleDebbie> lol [20:06] <fawkes28> good for jo! [20:06] <cbm> It was Aberforth that died [20:06] <futureweasley> wow, I'm completely confused [20:06] * ProngsPatronus cannot remember the beginning of the chat... [20:06] <SoonerGryffindor> I was sooooooooooooooo happy when she did this [20:06] <stewiegryf> LOL debbie [20:06] <MrMcGonagall> I think she's trying to shut down unprofitable lines of speculation. [20:06] <Ravendor> me too, Sooner [20:06] <MafaldaWeasley> hahahaha cbm [20:06] <Ravenclaws_Heir> No, there was no other way to interpret it [20:06] <Ravenclaws_Heir> LOL cbm! [20:06] <fawkes28> we have one point resolved...999 more to go! [20:06] <DumbleDebbie> No, she was very frank and clear and "this is the last word" [20:06] <Aislinn> it was quite clear [20:06] <MrMcGonagall> lol, fawkes. [20:06] <ProngsPatronus> I was glad [20:06] <futureweasley> I needed to hear it come from her...and I was glad when I did. I couldn't think of anything but how DD was coming back in Book 7 [20:06] <SoonerGryffindor> but it is curious as to why she waited a year [20:06] <DumbleDebbie> and I really think it was because she was looking Salman in the eye when she answered it [20:06] <Alexk> lol fawkes [20:07] <MafaldaWeasley> i agree.. it was clear " he's dead. move on" [20:07] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Quite clear, and sad. I actually cried when I heard that! [20:07] <ProngsPatronus> people were getting so upset about it--people who were friends were getting nasty [20:07] <stewiegryf> I was glad...I had no idea anyone thought he was alive before I found the Lounge thread and saw so many supporters [20:07] <DumbleDebbie> aww, Ravenclaws [20:07] <futureweasley> Debbie, again with Salman...c'mon!! [20:07] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Or when I saw the video of it anyway [20:07] <DumbleDebbie> LOL FW [20:07] <CarpeDiem> FW - I think she got that same vibe from a lot of people and that was the reason she had to get everyone straight. [20:07] <MrMcGonagall> I was not one of those fans desperately holding out for DD's return, so I was happy it got the smackdown. [20:07] <fawkes28> if she didn't say it people may have been quite upset with her when they read the 7th book because they got their hopes up [20:07] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Agreed, Carpediem [20:07] <futureweasley> I went with DMD, and she was really sad after the reading because Jo was so forward about it [20:07] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree stewie, I never thought he was alive either. So it was nice to know I was right on at least one thing [20:08] <Ravendor> agreed, MrM [20:08] <DumbleDebbie> I think it's good for the fandom to get on with their grief so they're past it when Book 7 is released [20:08] <MrMcGonagall> Jo is so heartless sometimes! [20:08] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Mr M [20:08] <futureweasley> I guess I knew that he was gone...but it was just hard to digest if you hadn't even thought that was possible [20:08] <Val_Halla> I agree, fawkes. I think she intended there to be a little speculation but there ended up being a LOT [20:08] <MafaldaWeasley> i think thatmore than that she wanted to close a debate that was getting harsh on many fansites [20:08] <DumbleDebbie> push us past our 'denial' phase [20:08] <Alexk> it's not like i don't love dd, but if the story says that dd must die, he must die [20:08] <Alexk> there is a reason behind it [20:08] <MrMcGonagall> Well, it was just a pipe dream. [20:08] <SoonerGryffindor> yes. So maybe she was so straighftforward because of the divisiveness of the issue? [20:08] <CarpeDiem> I think she did a similar thing with the prophecy, didn't she? So much so that she had DD and Harry go over it further detail? [20:09] <futureweasley> What do you think about Jo's interview statements about RAB? [20:09] <ProngsPatronus> it was a much-needed reality check [20:09] <cbm> The old wizard get it [20:09] <stewiegryf> I agree. Maybe she saw that the Lounge was on thread 17 of the issue or whatever it was and decided enough was enough. [20:09] <DumbleDebbie> that could be except the 1st time she addressed it that night she was vague [20:09] <Aislinn> I don't think that it is the diviseness - look at the snape debate [20:09] <SoonerGryffindor> less direct than the DD statement, but not much room for interpretation [20:09] <DumbleDebbie> lol Aislin [20:09] <SoonerGryffindor> this is another issue I wish she could have been more direct on [20:09] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think she wants to say it for certain, but I think she knew people would figure it out. [20:09] <ProngsPatronus> well, Snape is meant to be ambiguous [20:09] <ProngsPatronus> not DD [20:09] <DumbleDebbie> that one has to stay ambiguous [20:09] <cbm> I gave up on the Snape debate [20:09] <SoonerGryffindor> well, Snape cant be resolved till book 7 [20:09] <Ravenclaws_Heir> I think that was as close to a "Yes" as we are ever going to get out of her. There is very little room for interpretation. [20:09] <stewiegryf> She all but said Melissa and Emerson were right about RAB. I am happy with that answer. [20:10] <MafaldaWeasley> yeah, but snape debate is not that harsh.. besides, snape is the dubious character.. if she clarifies this much will be revealed [20:10] <futureweasley> I don't know what she exactly said about RAB, but I'm fairly sure that she mean to implicate Regulus [20:10] <ProngsPatronus> she said it was a "fine guess" [20:10] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, but we are on our 9th incarnation of the RAB thread in the Nook [20:10] <Aislinn> it certainly sounded like she was saying they were right [20:10] <cbm> has she ever mentioned RAB any where else? [20:10] <futureweasley> sometimes, her "silence" says everything, and she need not say anything more [20:10] <DumbleDebbie> and still many people think it is someone else [20:10] <MafaldaWeasley> yeah future... fine guess for me it's like she confirmed him [20:10] <fawkes28> which still leaves it open to interpretation [20:10] <SoonerGryffindor> and there are a surprising amount of people who dont buy it [20:10] <Ravendor> I was so happy with her response, since it means I might have gotten it right [20:10] <Val_Halla> I'm inclined to think fine guess is not a confirmation. Typical Jo [20:10] <CarpeDiem> lol sooner. Really!? Maybe someone needs to let her know so she can be a bit more direct [20:10] <Ravenclaws_Heir> It would be misleading to say that Regulas was a "fine guess" if he was not RAB. And she has said she is never intentionally misleading [20:11] <SoonerGryffindor> lol carpe [20:11] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think she minds that there's all this wild speculation about who it could be. It's not necessarily a brick wall kind of thing. [20:11] <fawkes28> i would be so amused if i were jo [20:11] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that her lack of denying rab=regulus is enough to tell us he is [20:11] <futureweasley> HA! Emerson tried to tell me in Indy that she confirmed that RAB was Regulas. Melissa said..."nonononono". Emerson was SO sure it was Regulus that he manifested in his own brain that she confirmed it [20:11] <futureweasley> now, that is funny [20:11] <DumbleDebbie> the DD thing needed to be addressed so that folks wouldn't read teh entire book 7 and be looking for something that wasn't going to happen and be really disapopinte [20:12] <ProngsPatronus> I think she was kind of surprised we all jumped on poor Regulus like a duck on a June bug--I guess she didn't understand how rabid we were [20:12] <MrMcGonagall> Especially in the Memerson interview, the day after the release, she's hardly going to confirm a guess about the mystery at the end of HBP. [20:12] <Ravenclaws_Heir> LOL future [20:12] <DumbleDebbie> lol FW [20:12] <Val_Halla> That IS funny, fw [20:12] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Prongs [20:12] <fawkes28> true, mr. m [20:12] <Alexk> kik fw [20:12] <DumbleDebbie> oh yeah, i went right to the lexicon to look up the initials when I read that note [20:12] <Alexk> *lol [20:12] <Ravenclaws_Heir> very true, prongs [20:12] <MafaldaWeasley> i must go, guys..kiss to everyone!!!! [20:12] <SoonerGryffindor> bye mafalda [20:12] <DumbleDebbie> bye Mafalda [20:12] <Ravendor> bye, Mafalda [20:12] <fawkes28> bye malfada [20:12] <Aislinn> bye mafalda [20:12] <MrMcGonagall> Bye, MW! [20:12] <Ravenclaws_Heir> bye! [20:13] <ProngsPatronus> bye, MW [20:13] <Val_Halla> bye Mafalda [20:13] <Alexk> bye mafalda [20:13] <stewiegryf> bye mafalda [20:13] <futureweasley> bye Mafalda [20:13] *** MafaldaWeasley has quit [Bye] [20:13] <MrMcGonagall> I think it's a case where Jo doesn't want to close off all speculation. [20:13] <futureweasley> .Before the first book was ever published, Jo spent 5 years writing about Harry's world and creating all of the intricate details. However, nobody can be perfect and there are inconsistencies. Do the minor inconsistencies bother you? [20:13] <cbm> no [20:13] <SoonerGryffindor> yes [20:13] <DumbleDebbie> nope [20:13] <ProngsPatronus> so, I have to ask--talking about misapprehensions---what WAS that thing on the Lexicon about Regulus and his middle name? [20:13] <Ravendor> a little, but not much [20:13] <DumbleDebbie> lol [20:14] <DumbleDebbie> like what? [20:14] <Aislinn> not a lot [20:14] <fawkes28> not too much [20:14] <Val_Halla> Yes, a little, but then I'm a perfectionist [20:14] <Ravenclaws_Heir> They bother me a little, but I understand that it can't be perfect [20:14] <SoonerGryffindor> no idea Prongs [20:14] <DumbleDebbie> Marcus Flint 'staying back a year'? [20:14] <Aislinn> good question, prongs [20:14] <stewiegryf> Not really. If I have written over 2500 pages of fiction, i would probably make a mistake here and there. [20:14] <MrMcGonagall> Well, it's natural. Though some disagree, I would be interested to see Jo do a revision of the whole series with the benefit of hindsight. [20:14] <Aislinn> it seemed as if they got confirmation, but were asked to not release it [20:14] <fawkes28> there are so many details, you can't blame her for slipping up now and then [20:14] <SoonerGryffindor> I would like that too Mr M [20:14] <CarpeDiem> WIth a memory like mine there is no way I can fault her for inconsistancies [20:14] <Val_Halla> Oooh, me to , Mr M [20:14] <Ravenclaws_Heir> The Harry Potter books are so much more consistant than any other series I've ever read so I have to give Jo credit for that [20:14] <Alexk> A little, it's like in tv shows, when they introduce a character once, make the character say that they'll come be back in aleter episode, and the character is never mentioned agian [20:14] <ProngsPatronus> sometimes they bother me--I am reasonably competent in maths-- but generally, no [20:15] <DumbleDebbie> Mr M is hired to the JKR marketing dept. [20:15] <Ravenclaws_Heir> OOh, that would be Mr. M [20:15] <Ravenclaws_Heir> lol debbie [20:15] <fawkes28> if you are really into timelines than yes it will bother you but many people are ok with little details not 100% accurate [20:15] <MrMcGonagall> No, Debbie, I'm jsut an obsessive enough fan that I would buy the books in every edition they've been printed in, hardcover and paperback! [20:16] <Val_Halla> I would like to see the "maths" mistakes cleared up [20:16] <SoonerGryffindor> I have to admit that I am anal-retentiv [20:16] <DumbleDebbie> admitting it is the first step to recovery Sooner [20:16] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [20:16] <Aislinn> they don't bother me a lot - I think because she has told us more than once how bad she is at maths [20:16] <MrMcGonagall> It would be nice to see the repetitions that are part of the multi-volume nature of the work streamlined as well, I think. [20:16] <cbm> all of the mistakes I no about are minor and do not bother me [20:16] <Val_Halla> I love timelines and genealogical charts [20:16] <fawkes28> after all she is a writer and a very good one [20:16] <ProngsPatronus> that is what a calculator and a calendar is for [20:16] <cbm> know [20:16] <Aislinn> and she is so good at writing, that being bad at maths is a fault I can forgive [20:17] <stewiegryf> As long as they aren't major mistakes, I'm fine with them. [20:17] * MrMcGonagall totally sympathizes with those who are poor at maths. [20:17] <Ravenclaws_Heir> agreed, aislinn [20:17] <futureweasley> A "Flint" is an obvious mistake, but sometimes Jo has left things out and explained them in later interviews. Two examples would be Harry getting the map back from Moody's office and him not seeing the Thestrals at the end of GoF. Do you feel comfortable with the way that Jo has explained situations like this? [20:17] <ProngsPatronus> in some areas, it bothers me--like the goric's hollow timeline [20:17] <Alexk> When you're writing such a long story, you're meant to forget some of the smaller details along the way. [20:17] <fawkes28> the last thing that will be on my mind as i read the 7th book will be the years and if joe is in the 6th ot 7th year [20:17] <cbm> yes [20:17] <fawkes28> i have other things on my mind [20:17] <SoonerGryffindor> for the most part [20:17] <MrMcGonagall> Not entirely. I think, given more time, she could come up with a better way of doing it. [20:18] <Ravendor> yeah, overall [20:18] <ProngsPatronus> the map was ok [20:18] <SoonerGryffindor> howeverr, I wonder if the questions really caught her off guard, or if those were the real explanations [20:18] *** Dubes has joined #lounge [20:18] <ProngsPatronus> the Thestrals--not so good [20:18] <Val_Halla> I thought the Thestrals explanation a little bit of a stretch, but acceptable. Big of me, eh? [20:18] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Mildly, but at least she found a way to explain it that was consistant with the sotry [20:18] <DumbleDebbie> better for her to admit she just missed it than make up some crazy excuse that's not honest [20:18] <stewiegryf> Yes, I think she explains them well. The explanations fit with the story pretty seemlessly, in my opinion. [20:18] <fawkes28> yes, she made it work [20:18] <DumbleDebbie> hi Dubes [20:18] <Ravenclaws_Heir> the thestrals bugged me a bit as well [20:18] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Debbie [20:18] <Dubes> Hey [20:18] <futureweasley> right PP, I thought the Thestrals was a big one... [20:18] <Dubes> What are we talking about here? [20:18] <Aislinn> I understand her point about the thestrals, but she should have found a way to not mention the carriages at the end of GoF [20:18] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Hi Dubes [20:18] <fawkes28> it did fit better into the 5th book though [20:19] <futureweasley> but, nobody's perfect, right? [20:19] <cbm> but, the threstrals diid not take away from my enjoyment [20:19] <Ravendor> hey, Dubes [20:19] <SoonerGryffindor> its kind of like Harry doesnt have his invisiblity cloak at the end of book 6. Are we just to assume he went back for it like he did the map? [20:19] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Agreed. aislinn [20:19] <MrMcGonagall> Exactly, Aislinn. It's like a foreign language - if you can't say exactly what you mean, do it in another way. [20:19] <futureweasley> I just can't believe that all those editors didn't catch it [20:19] <SoonerGryffindor> hi dubes, we are talking about Jo's interviews [20:19] <Dubes> Hey (what're we talking about) [20:19] <DumbleDebbie> right FW [20:19] <Dubes> Ah, ok. [20:19] <Dubes> We're on thestrals? [20:19] <Alexk> shouldn't harry have been able to see thestrals before ced's death [20:19] <futureweasley> yes [20:19] <ProngsPatronus> lol--FW [20:19] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Little mistakes that Jo explains later during interviews [20:19] <Alexk> didn't he witness his parents' deaths [20:19] <Alexk> ? [20:19] <futureweasley> and the fact that Jo missed it at the end of GoF [20:19] <SoonerGryffindor> . A "Flint" is an obvious mistake, but sometimes Jo has left things out and explained them in later interviews. Two examples would be Harry getting the map back from Moody's office and him not seeing the Thestrals at the end of GoF. Do you feel comfortable with the way that Jo has explained situations like this? [20:20] <SoonerGryffindor> that was the last question everyone [20:20] <stewiegryf> He was too young to appreciate what death meant when he was young, alex. [20:20] <Dubes> Not really... It's up to the editors of the book to look out for things like that. [20:20] <cbm> Jo said Harry was not looking at his parents when they died [20:20] <Ravendor> And didn't Jo say that he couldn't see them from his crib thing? [20:20] <Val_Halla> I thought Jo explained that one also Alex, or am I imagining it? [20:20] <Aislinn> I don't think she missed it - I don't think she wanted to bring them up [20:20] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Agreed, thats always why I thought he didn't see them before Cedrics death Stewie [20:20] <futureweasley> right...they were in the next book's plan [20:21] <MrMcGonagall> I think some of the inconsistencies stem from the fact that she is very wedded to the structure and sequence of events in the story, what she wants to introduce when. [20:21] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Oh, never heard that interview, nevermind then [20:21] <DumbleDebbie> she had other reasons for keeping the thestrals 'hidden in plain sight' until book 5 [20:21] <futureweasley> I agree Aislinn...it was too much to bring up at the wrap up [20:21] *** Phoenix1274 has joined #lounge [20:21] <fawkes28> and she does try to check her facts...she has so many notebooks filled with information (that i would love to read) [20:21] <Aislinn> it wasn't the right timing for them to be brought up - especially at the end of everything that happened in GoF [20:21] <DumbleDebbie> hi Phoenix [20:21] <ProngsPatronus> lol--and she didn't really know she would have a bunch of Magical Theory wonks to satissfy [20:21] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, but I think a line in the book explaining that would have helped [20:21] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Hi Phoenix [20:21] <fawkes28> hi phoenix [20:21] <futureweasley> hi phoenix [20:21] <Phoenix1274> hello [20:21] <Aislinn> but she could have found a reason they walked tot he train [20:21] <futureweasley> Jo has said many times that maths is not her strong suit. Evidence of this can be seen discrepancies with the number of students at Hogwarts. What other math errors can you think of that Jo has made? [20:22] *** duckiemonkie has joined #lounge [20:22] <Dubes> I'm pretty sure she didn't know the series would get this big, so she didn't see it as a huge thing to point out. [20:22] <SoonerGryffindor> hi phoenix [20:22] <DumbleDebbie> hi duckie [20:22] <SoonerGryffindor> hi duckie [20:22] <duckiemonkie> Hello! [20:22] <ProngsPatronus> there are numerous claendar errors [20:22] <futureweasley> I'm worried that the horcruxes are going to be a math mistake...is that just really petty of me? [20:22] <stewiegryf> Weasley kids ages. [20:22] <ProngsPatronus> and some of the timelines are wonky [20:22] <Val_Halla> The ages of some of the Black family when they had kids [20:22] <DumbleDebbie> lol FW oops [20:22] <SoonerGryffindor> well. Flint himself is a mistake [20:22] <Aislinn> yes, the calendaar errors are the biggest thing [20:22] <Ravenclaws_Heir> The number of wizards in Britain, the world, etc. seem to follow suit. And we have already seen an error as to what year a certain student is itn. [20:22] <CarpeDiem> FW, I don't think she'd be careless about something that big [20:22] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, of nature SOoner [20:22] <Aislinn> I think time of day gets fuzzy sometimes too [20:22] <Dubes> Haha, I think that might be important. The horcree are a huge plot point, or so we think *Jo cackles* [20:23] <Dubes> We never know >.< [20:23] <futureweasley> well, I don't either...but I'm still confused about how many there are still in play!! [20:23] <Aislinn> whether the sun is setting or not doesn't always match up with the time it is likely to be [20:23] <SoonerGryffindor> well, and how many Gryffindor girls there are in Harry's year is a mystery as well [20:23] <ProngsPatronus> and from what direction--sometimes the geography gets a bit muddled [20:23] <Aislinn> but that will be a deliberate twist, future, not a mistake [20:23] <stewiegryf> There are six horcruxes. Voldemort's sould inside his body makes a seven part soul future. At least that's what I thought after HBP [20:23] <SoonerGryffindor> have any rooms appeared on different floors? [20:23] <futureweasley> right Aislinn...you are right [20:23] <Aislinn> yes [20:24] <SoonerGryffindor> I think I remember thatt happening also [20:24] <DumbleDebbie> but 2 have been destroyed stewie [20:24] <Aislinn> the hospital wing moved, I believe [20:24] <ProngsPatronus> yes, DD's office moves [20:24] <Dubes> We assume that he made seven, but what if... he made multiples of seven? So it'd be even stronger. How do we not know there's fourteen, or twenty-one? [20:24] *** Phoenix1274 has quit [Bye] [20:24] <SoonerGryffindor> oooh [20:24] <MrMcGonagall> The exactness and symmetry of the numbers in the houses and years and genders always irks me (I never thought I'd say symmetry irks me), since it doesn't seem realistic that it should always fall out so evenly. [20:24] <SoonerGryffindor> remembered another one! [20:24] <DumbleDebbie> lol, well the stairways all move, why not the romms [20:24] <SoonerGryffindor> the amount of OWLS Hermione got [20:24] <Dubes> Yes! [20:24] <Dubes> It said she took 11 [20:24] <Dubes> Or did she? [20:24] <futureweasley> oof, I forgot that Sooner [20:24] <Alexk> It'd be horrible if Harry ended up getting stuck trying to draw blueprints to his ultimate plan of defeating Voldemort. [20:25] <Aislinn> do we know that the numbers are symmetrical in the Houses, Mr M? [20:25] <stewiegryf> Ooh, I forgot about that Sooner. [20:25] <Val_Halla> Yeah, I agree, Mr M. [20:25] <futureweasley> I think you are right Dubes [20:25] <SoonerGryffindor> I think so Dubes, but I cant remember [20:25] <stewiegryf> Isn't that corrected in the new paperback edition? Does anyone know? [20:25] <MrMcGonagall> It seems so, from the partial descriptions we are given throughout the series. [20:25] <Dubes> Yes [20:25] <DumbleDebbie> what about the owls? I must've missed this one [20:25] <futureweasley> Timelines seem to be another area where normal rules do not apply in Harry's world. How is it that the train always leaves on the 1st each year, yet school always appears to start on a Monday? What are your conclusions from this discrepancy? [20:25] <SoonerGryffindor> yes Mr M, the symmetry bugs me too [20:25] <Dubes> they corrected it for future versions [20:25] <Dubes> another calendar error. [20:25] <Dubes> i'd say [20:26] <SoonerGryffindor> I think according to the Lexicon, some weeks have more than one Monday [20:26] <Aislinn> I don't think that Jo thinks in terms of the realistic passage of time [20:26] <ProngsPatronus> lol--it is always Labour Day on the first day of classes [20:26] <DumbleDebbie> LOL, sometimes it feels like it [20:26] <Dubes> haha, steve likes messing with us eh? [20:26] <Ravendor> lol, Sooner [20:26] <futureweasley> LOL...leave it to Steve VanderArk [20:26] <MrMcGonagall> That drives me a little crazy. I can't think of any reasonable explanation. [20:26] <stewiegryf> The students just hang out for awhile until classes start. [20:26] <cbm> I always thought that she wrote the series to be timeless and used what ever day of the week ade the story better [20:26] <cbm> made teh story better [20:26] <Aislinn> I think that is true cbm [20:26] <SoonerGryffindor> it does seem a little crazy that the train ALWAYS leaves on the first, and that is always Sunday [20:26] <cbm> Magic! [20:26] <Ravenclaws_Heir> True, cbm [20:26] <Dubes> Jo can do whatever she wants! [20:27] <Aislinn> although the Lexicon has been careful to set specific calendar years, I don't think Jo envisioned the tale in that way [20:27] <futureweasley> right, it's her world, after all [20:27] <DumbleDebbie> maybe the twins stuck a big time turner on the Hogwarts Express [20:27] <stewiegryf> Who's to say that the train isn't a giant Time Turner? [20:27] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Yes, Dubes, she contrtols the world, whose to say she can't control the date? [20:27] <Dubes> Jinx [20:27] <CarpeDiem> Fawkes - Hello and yes [20:27] <DumbleDebbie> lol stewie [20:27] <cbm> such as the book 5 valentines day being on a Saturday [20:27] <fawkes28> thanks [20:27] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Steve has a theory about time-turners, but I think it is just Jo not caring about what days of the week dates fall on [20:27] <MrMcGonagall> Somehow I think she wouldn't enjoy going back through calendars to make sure she got the date in September right for each book, when it is really a minor point. [20:27] <Aislinn> which it had to be, to be able to go to Hogsmeade [20:27] <futureweasley> I try not to look at the story like that either, Aislinn. I don't want to think in dates [20:27] <DumbleDebbie> true Sooner [20:27] <Val_Halla> They leave London on the first and stay on the train until the next Sunday, whenever that is [20:28] <fawkes28> me too, future [20:28] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Val [20:28] <Dubes> I doubt Jo lays out a huge calendar, for each one of the books. "Sunday 24th, Harry wakes up... takes a bath... has ham for breakfast..." I can't see that >.< [20:28] <futureweasley> somehow, the magic gets lost for me when dates get involved [20:28] <Aislinn> I agree Mr M - that is not the kind of detail that is important to her [20:28] *** DumbleDebbie left #lounge [20:28] <MrMcGonagall> Exactly Dubes! Haha. [20:28] <SoonerGryffindor> I just think it is one of the funny things about this world she has created [20:28] <Dubes> Unimportant to her . [20:28] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [20:28] <cbm> By the way, who reads one of these books for the first time with a calendar checking off days? [20:28] <stewiegryf> I agree future. I think there are more importnat things in the books to look at than dates and years [20:28] <SoonerGryffindor> it is so magical that we dont have to worry about days of the week lining up [20:28] <futureweasley> she was reluntant to say what year she pictured all this happening [20:28] <Dubes> (Sorry, off topic, but how do you change your font color?) [20:28] <fawkes28> yes, i get so caught up in the HP world that i don't let dates get in the way [20:28] <Ravendor> agreed, stewie [20:28] <Ravenclaws_Heir> nobody, cbm [20:29] <SoonerGryffindor> the 2 arrows on the bottom rght [20:29] <Val_Halla> I never even noticed calendar error until I visited leaky [20:29] <Dubes> (Thank you) [20:29] <SoonerGryffindor> click and choose your color [20:29] <futureweasley> >> over to the bottom right, Dubes [20:29] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Same, Val [20:29] <CarpeDiem> I agree Sooner Well at some point I think you have to draw a line as to where the story matters more than the detail of individual dates and days of the week. [20:29] <Ravendor> me either, Val [20:29] <SoonerGryffindor> righ [20:29] <futureweasley> Speaking of timeline problems, how is it that Hagrid has been living at Hogwarts since he was expelled 50 years ago, yet Molly remembers a gamekeeper named Ogg? [20:29] <cbm> I never noticd until I went to the lexico [20:29] <SoonerGryffindor> now that is something bigger that does bug me [20:29] <Dubes> Witches and Wizards live older than Muggles! [20:29] <DumbleDebbie> never even crossed my mind LOL [20:29] <ProngsPatronus> the only reason I noticed is because they would always start classes on my birthdqy [20:29] <cbm> Maybe he had another job first[20:29] <futureweasley> maybe Hagrid wasn't always the gamekeeper (??) [20:29] <Alexk> lol, Molly's been mispronouncing his name until now [20:30] <DumbleDebbie> maybe Hagrid was still assistent then? [20:30] <Ravendor> that's my thought, future [20:30] <Dubes> McGonagall is in her 70's or 80's, but she might look younger. [20:30] <futureweasley> LOL Alex [20:30] <fawkes28> maybe they had two gamekeepers...why not? [20:30] <SoonerGryffindor> but Hagrid has been there since he got expelled [20:30] <MrMcGonagall> When did DD give him the job? [20:30] <CarpeDiem> Maybe molly enjoys hogwarts history as much as Hermione? [20:30] <Dubes> Maybe they were "roommates" [20:30] <MrMcGonagall> That was my impression, too, Sooner. [20:30] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Possible, debie [20:30] <futureweasley> there are HUGE grounds...maybe Hagrid was an apprentice gamekeeper [20:30] <Alexk> or you could see it as Ogg for short? [20:30] <SoonerGryffindor> maybe he was "in training" and then Ogg left [20:30] <Aislinn> I think he was an apprentice future [20:30] <DumbleDebbie> right [20:30] <stewiegryf> Agreed future. [20:30] <SoonerGryffindor> nah, Ogg is a different person [20:30] <Dubes> I can see that. [20:30] <fawkes28> yes, he had to be trained at some point [20:30] <futureweasley> Ogg was likely old [20:30] <ProngsPatronus> yes--to tend to his remaining limbs... [20:31] <Ravendor> yeah, that makes sense [20:31] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Prongs [20:31] <cbm> Hagrid got kicked out at 13, so he could not of started in the job [20:31] <DumbleDebbie> or Ogg lost the last of his body parts to some beastie [20:31] <SoonerGryffindor> ewww [20:31] <Dubes> Haha [20:31] <futureweasley> LOL Prongs...I thought it was to spend time with the remaining limbs...same difference, I guess [20:31] <stewiegryf> Maybe good ole Locky Obliviated Molly into forgetting Hagrid. [20:31] <MrMcGonagall> Now, now, that was Professor Kettleburn who kept losing limbs. [20:31] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [20:31] <Alexk> you guys have made me want to learn more about Ogg now [20:31] <DumbleDebbie> right Mr M [20:31] <DumbleDebbie> lol [20:31] <SoonerGryffindor> nah, more than one wizard can loose their limbs [20:31] <futureweasley> maybe Hagrid is Ogg's manifestation of a horcrux [20:31] <Dubes> That's why Jo needs to release a "HP ENCYCLOPEDIA" [20:31] <Val_Halla> How do we know Artuhr and Molly didn't just attend Hogwarts earlier? [20:31] <SoonerGryffindor> especially with the stuff Hagrid has accumulated over the years [20:32] <DumbleDebbie> in that line of work, more than likely [20:32] * futureweasley ducks from the thrown rotten eggs [20:32] <MrMcGonagall> I agree with future that Ogg was likely old and needed an assistant. [20:32] <SoonerGryffindor> lol future [20:32] <Alexk> lol fw [20:32] * stewiegryf finds a 2x4 [20:32] <Ravenclaws_Heir> lol future [20:32] <Dubes> -Dubes wants to know how to do that- [20:32] <Dubes> Haha [20:32] <futureweasley> it's /me then the statement Dubes [20:32] <stewiegryf> gotta run everyone! [20:32] <stewiegryf> bye [20:32] <DumbleDebbie> bye stewie [20:32] <CarpeDiem> see ya stewiegryf [20:32] <SoonerGryffindor> awww, bye stgewie [20:32] <futureweasley> bye stewie! [20:32] *** stewiegryf left #lounge [20:33] <ProngsPatronus> bye, stewie [20:33] <Dubes> Bye stewie [20:33] <Alexk> bye stewie [20:33] <Ravenclaws_Heir> bye stewie [20:33] <MrMcGonagall> I think Arthur and Lucius are roughly contemporaries, and Lucius was after Tom Riddle's time. [20:33] * Dubes waves [20:33] <Val_Halla> bye stewie [20:33] <futureweasley> Sometimes Jo's discrepancies leave us having to take huge leaps of faith in her work and think of logic in a different way. For example, why are there so many people in the mirror of Erised, but Harry has no living family except the Dursleys? [20:33] <Aislinn> I agree Mr M [20:33] <DumbleDebbie> his ancestors would be enormous [20:33] <MrMcGonagall> I think he's seeing the past generations of Potters and Evanses. [20:33] <SoonerGryffindor> this bugs me [20:33] <Dubes> I think the remaining family received a visit from the DE. They wanted to know their location, they wouldn't give it, bye bye. [20:33] <DumbleDebbie> as are everyone's (well except the Gaunts as they're inbred) [20:34] <futureweasley> it must be Debbie...and there's NO ONE living? That's strange [20:34] <Aislinn> the members of the family are not living relatives [20:34] <cbm> Maybe Harry wants a family like the Weasleys, that is why it is large [20:34] <ProngsPatronus> Minerva, though, was a contemporary of LV--and we have seen no memories from her about then Tom Riddle [20:34] <Val_Halla> I thought the mirror only showed ancestors and others already dead [20:34] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Because Harry's dream was not just to have his mother and father but to have a huge family! [20:34] <futureweasley> that's a good thought cbm [20:34] <Aislinn> his parents are clearly dead, but they were in the mirror [20:34] <SoonerGryffindor> no, the mirror shows whatever you desire. Do we think maybe these were not all real people? [20:34] <Dubes> DD stopped all that from happening, because he thought it was what was best from Harry.... [20:34] <Aislinn> I think they were all ancestors [20:34] <Dubes> Maybe he does have distant family? [20:34] <DumbleDebbie> maybe they stood in the mirror by generation, once they're too many rows deep Harry wouldn't be able to see them [20:34] <SoonerGryffindor> not according to Jo Dubes [20:34] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Harry desired a big family so thats what the mirror showed him, I never found this odd at all [20:35] <MrMcGonagall> No, I think it was the ultimate anti-orphan fantasy. [20:35] <cbm> agreed Aislinn [20:35] <fawkes28> maybe it will be answered in the 7th book - if you believe in the "mirror" theory [20:35] <Alexk> Hmm, I think Harry's family(on a larger scale, grandpa, grandma, etc.) are going to come up again, so i don't think she'll leave that piece of the story untied [20:35] <ProngsPatronus> what is interesting about that is that Petunia is not in the picture at all, though she is a realtive [20:35] <Dubes> Agreed McGonagall [20:35] <futureweasley> well Sooner, he could have manifested them out of desperation to find ANY family other than Petunia and the Dursleys [20:35] <Dubes> He never liked Petunia [20:35] <DumbleDebbie> if you go back 10 generations, you have 1024 ancestors of that generation (if there are no duplcates) [20:35] <SoonerGryffindor> that is my question. Are they real or not? [20:35] <Dubes> I think it was, to be with family you loved. [20:35] <Aislinn> good point, prongs - he was desiring loving relatives, though [20:35] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Debbie [20:35] <ProngsPatronus> yes, I think they are real [20:35] <Val_Halla> I don't think Harry's deepest desire included Petunia [20:35] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Petunia would not have been in his dream family, prongs [20:36] <Dubes> Unless she was burried in the backyard [20:36] <Dubes> haha [20:36] <MrMcGonagall> Well, the mirror doesn't really give us truth, but it does seem to have a little accuracy in its portrayal. Harry had never seen his parents, after all. [20:36] <ProngsPatronus> Harry has history, like any other descendant of witches and wizards--which is what he really wants--roots [20:36] <Ravenclaws_Heir> lol [20:36] <Val_Halla> lol [20:36] <MrMcGonagall> Well, he saw them, but wouldn't have been able to remember them. [20:36] <futureweasley> Along that same argument.... Why did just having the Triwizard Tournament mean no one got to play Quidditch for an entire year? [20:36] <Alexk> yes prongs [20:36] <Dubes> I think the pitch needed to grow into the maze [20:36] <futureweasley> well, I think some of this was because they gutted the quidditch pitch for the third task [20:36] <DumbleDebbie> because she was tired of writing it? [20:36] <fawkes28> siriusly, no quidditch [20:36] <Dubes> They said that, didn't they? [20:36] <SoonerGryffindor> ths is another thing that bugs me [20:36] <cbm> It cut down the amount that Jo had to write [20:37] <fawkes28> we could have read more [20:37] <ProngsPatronus> well, they had to put the maze somewhere [20:37] <MrMcGonagall> I think there would have been just too much going on with Quidditch in there as well. Quidditch teams practice a lot, too. [20:37] <SoonerGryffindor> of course, you guys can tell that this chat is to help get me answers to the things that bug me [20:37] <Dubes> She could've at least had Harry saying something to Ron, like "Oh my, no Quidditch, what a pain" [20:37] <DumbleDebbie> lol, it did seem unnecessary with only 1 (or 2) kids from each school in the Tournament [20:37] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Jo hates writing Quiditch matches, Triwizard was a good exuse to take them out [20:37] <Val_Halla> The maze was grown rapidly near the time of Task 3 [20:37] <Alexk> it's understandable that there wouldn't be time to organize quidditch when such a large event was going on already [20:37] <CarpeDiem> Yep, GoF was long and detailed enough to have to worry about adding House cup and Quidditch. Practices, games, etc...it's just difficult [20:37] <SoonerGryffindor> not really. [20:37] <MrMcGonagall> It's OK, Sooner. Kimmy Blair told me that was what she loved about modding a reading group! hehe. [20:37] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [20:37] <futureweasley> that, and it could be assumed that the TWOC for Hogwarts would likely be a Quidditch Player...it would be unfair to give a house team a disadvantage because their star player was busy studying for the Triwizard Tasks [20:38] <Dubes> True. [20:38] <SoonerGryffindor> but could they not schedule the tasks apart from the games? [20:38] <Dubes> Point in case - Krum [20:38] <fawkes28> there were only 4 champions and there are a lot more quidditch players...i felt bad for the kids who look forward to it every year....it is a nice outlet for them and they missed that [20:38] <Val_Halla> good point fw [20:38] <ProngsPatronus> good point, fw [20:38] <Ravenclaws_Heir> true, future [20:38] <futureweasley> TWOC = Top Wizard on Campus...sorry [20:38] <Alexk> that too fw [20:38] <DumbleDebbie> they only have a few games per year [20:38] <MrMcGonagall> It hardly seems worthwhile to have Quidditch cancelled if Wood isn't there to rant about it. [20:38] *** EmilyVizi has joined #lounge [20:38] <DumbleDebbie> hi Emily [20:39] <ProngsPatronus> lol@ Mr. M [20:39] <DumbleDebbie> lol Mr M [20:39] <EmilyVizi> i didnt miss the whole chat lol [20:39] <cbm> but practice year round [20:39] <SoonerGryffindor> hi Emily [20:39] <futureweasley> LOL MrMcG...I loved Wood...so intense [20:39] <Alexk> lol mrm [20:39] <Dubes> I'm sure they might've played some exhibition match, Madam Hootch would've flipped her lid with no Quidditch [20:39] <fawkes28> but we could have been introduced to new characters [20:39] <ProngsPatronus> me, too--and I miss him [20:39] <EmilyVizi> hello everyone [20:39] <futureweasley> How did Crouch Jr. learn all that powerful magic when he went to Azkaban as a very young man and spent the years after he escaped under the Imperius Curse? Yet he could fool the Goblet of Fire and out-duel Mad-Eye Moody? [20:39] <Aislinn> hi emily [20:39] <Dubes> Hey Emily [20:39] <MrMcGonagall> Madam Hooch must have had a boring year during the tournament. [20:39] <fawkes28> we still have 20 minutes, emily [20:39] <EmilyVizi> i am supposed to be doing physics homework [20:40] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, why did that happen? [20:40] <Dubes> Let's remember, he was with Voldy for a bit. He could've been taught quite quickly. [20:40] <DumbleDebbie> Azkaban cafeteria? [20:40] <Aislinn> I believe that he was a very high achieving student when he was at school, and went into the DEs as soon as he graduated [20:40] <futureweasley> well, he wasn't THAT young, was he? [20:40] <MrMcGonagall> Well, he had Wormtail's help with moody, and he was an extremely talented young wizard. Lots of OWLS and NEWTS. [20:40] <SoonerGryffindor> I think he was [20:40] <futureweasley> he was a sixth or seventh year at Hogwarts, right? [20:40] <fawkes28> i thought it was right out of hogwarts [20:40] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, I had the impression that he had graduated. [20:40] <Alexk> his father neglected him, so he turned to the dark arts for entertainment, and he practiced often? [20:40] <SoonerGryffindor> but then he spends the next 13 years of his life under the Imperious curse? [20:40] <Alexk> idk [20:40] <Dubes> Me too. It would seem like a Barty Sr. thing to want him to graduate. [20:40] <fawkes28> and maybe he "studied" during the year in his office [20:41] <ProngsPatronus> I think that a lot of a student's knowledge is self-taught--look at DD [20:41] <ProngsPatronus> if one is motivated enough, one will learn all kinds of things [20:41] <futureweasley> plus, he had wizard upbringing...so likely he had "power" in his blood. They said that BC Sr. was up for Minister of Magic. I think only an accomplished wizard in their own right could be considered for that [20:41] <CarpeDiem> Good point FW [20:41] <MrMcGonagall> There's a line in GoF about how many OWLS or something Crouch, Jr. got. [20:41] <futureweasley> Prongs, I like "self-taught"...very good assumption [20:41] <Alexk> dd prongs, and even more so Voldemort [20:41] <MrMcGonagall> His dad bragging to someone. [20:41] <Val_Halla> A person can move about under the Imperius Curse. He may have studies during those years [20:42] <SoonerGryffindor> I just dont see how he could do the things he does. Then be under an imperious curse for 13 years, then suddenly have massive skillz [20:42] <Aislinn> yes, Mr M - it was a lot of OWLs [20:42] <Val_Halla> *studied [20:42] <cbm> Maybe the crouchs had a library and he used that to learn [20:42] <DumbleDebbie> very likely cbm [20:42] <Dubes> Winky, let's remember Winky. She is the ultimate house-elf (next to Dobby) She is sooo powerful. [20:42] <DumbleDebbie> he was sort of under 'house arrest' [20:42] <cbm> He did have 13 years in a house with nothing to do [20:42] <futureweasley> I would subscribe to that, cbm [20:42] <futureweasley> What are some other examples where the books seem to leave contemporary logic behind? [20:43] <SoonerGryffindor> hmmm [20:43] <Alexk> Working under Voldemort, Barty Jr. also probably learned some pretty powerful dark magic that he could use against moody [20:43] <futureweasley> The time turner thing. When Harry sees the Stag save them BEFORE he actually goes back in time. that whole premise was strange to me [20:43] <EmilyVizi> yeah [20:43] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree future [20:43] <Aislinn> Percy getting 12 OWLs [20:43] <SoonerGryffindor> yes [20:43] <futureweasley> LOL Aislinn [20:43] <cbm> Orion being oberserved in summer during atronomy [20:43] <Dubes> The whole time travel thing get's rather confusing FW [20:43] <EmilyVizi> When I read it, it confused the heck out of me [20:43] <DumbleDebbie> time travel often ends up in circular problems [20:43] <Val_Halla> Fake Moddy says the GoF was hoodwinked by someone fooling it into thinking there was a 4th school. Why wasn't that on the paper with Harry's name? [20:43] <Alexk> lol aislinn [20:43] <Aislinn> how did he have time for that, if Hermione needed a time turner to make it happen [20:43] *** FreedomStar has joined #lounge [20:43] <futureweasley> doesn't that say to you that Percy, too, had a time turner? [20:44] <DumbleDebbie> LOL yeah that's aproblem cbm [20:44] <Dubes> I really enjoy reading it though, it makes you think [20:44] <SoonerGryffindor> very good point VH [20:44] <fawkes28> yes, let's not give ourselves a headache with time travel chat [20:44] <cbm> For time travel, read the book timeline [20:44] <SoonerGryffindor> hi freedom [20:44] <FreedomStar> hello [20:44] <cbm> JKR does it the same way [20:44] <DumbleDebbie> I have cbm, loved it (movie was awful) [20:44] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, because if Hermione struggled, then I know Percy did [20:44] <MrMcGonagall> I was always OK with the time travel. I thought Jo worked it out brilliantly. [20:44] <DumbleDebbie> hi freedom [20:44] <FreedomStar> hi. [20:44] <Aislinn> right, sooner, that's what I mean [20:44] <FreedomStar> I agree with MrM [20:44] <Dubes> Oh, she did. Sorry we aren't as quick-witted as you [20:44] <Ravendor> me too, MrM [20:44] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [20:45] <fawkes28> wb, hf [20:45] <Aislinn> me too, Mr M - I thought that whole plot was brilliantly crafted [20:45] <harryfreak359> Hi! [20:45] <DumbleDebbie> wb HF [20:45] <Dubes> Haha, I found it confusing for the first time I read it. Then, I sorta went back a few chapters, and re-read it. This post has been edited by fawkes28: Nov 29 2006, 11:10 PM -------------------- |
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Organizing the Halo Rebellion Posts: 3,301 Joined: 2:09pm April 16, 2006 Location: Being angelic, of course |
[20:45] <fawkes28> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. Don't forget to vote in the latest poll for the next WWW chat here http://www.leakylounge.com/forums.html#entry1017257
[20:45] <harryfreak359> thank you! [20:45] <futureweasley> Percy, ambitious as he was, I don't think was blessed with the extraordinarily large brain that Hermione has [20:45] <FreedomStar> The way she works it out is just really mind spinning [20:45] <Dubes> Jo = Genius of the Century [20:45] <FreedomStar> lol, agreed fw [20:45] <Val_Halla> For someone not good at maths, she did the time travel brilliantly [20:45] <Dubes> Haha, true VH [20:45] <futureweasley> There is yet another type of inconsistency and that is the differences between the magical and the non-magical world. This is when things cannot be explained and we are quite possibly left with no other explanation other than "its magic". One example of this could be: How did the Chamber of Secrets' entrance, constructed almost a thousand years ago, get hidden inside modern plumbing? [20:46] <ProngsPatronus> grin--artistic types know that time is not a linear thing [20:46] <FreedomStar> O.o [20:46] <DumbleDebbie> lol, never crossed my mind [20:46] <FreedomStar> hmmm [20:46] <MrMcGonagall> That was a little odd, future. [20:46] <fawkes28> *This chat will continue at the in the Study Hall of the Chamber of Chat http://www.chamberofchat.com/chat/enter.asp* [20:46] <Dubes> The same way they hid Platform 9 3/4 in a train station. [20:46] <Ravendor> haha, i've never thought about that before [20:46] <SoonerGryffindor> someone smarter than me will have to figure that out [20:46] <Val_Halla> I still don't understand why the pipes were big enough for them to slide down. Eww. [20:46] <DumbleDebbie> those founders were *way* ahead of their time [20:46] <Aislinn> exactly prongs [20:46] <fawkes28> they were, debbie [20:46] <Dubes> Slytherin must've have a lot of free time... haha [20:46] <DumbleDebbie> ewww VH [20:46] <futureweasley> well, maybe modern plumbing can be magically installed. "Accio Pipes" [20:46] <FreedomStar> lol [20:46] <fawkes28> smart ones those founders [20:47] <Aislinn> the school is magical, and evolves and changes as time progresses [20:47] <ProngsPatronus> well, I thinki Slytherin designed the plumbing system [20:47] <SoonerGryffindor> I guess we really do have to accept that "its magic" on that one [20:47] <FreedomStar> Slytherin must have done something with the future in mind [20:47] <ProngsPatronus> and left some leeway [20:47] <DumbleDebbie> ooo, that's good FW, except would they 'grow' to a hidden chamber? [20:47] <Val_Halla> Maybe Tom modified the entrance [20:47] <FreedomStar> He probably hid it the best he could in his time, and then planned ahead [20:47] <ProngsPatronus> besides--the ancient world knew all about plumbing [20:47] <futureweasley> ?! You've got me [20:47] <Dubes> With his mind? You can't bewitch something to move, in a few thousand years... can you? [20:47] <ProngsPatronus> it was only the Dark Ages in the Western world that forgot about it [20:47] <Aislinn> stairs move, rooms pop in and out of existence - plumbing over a hidden chamber is in the same realm [20:47] <fawkes28> it's magic...you know [20:47] <DumbleDebbie> interesting PP [20:48] <FreedomStar> Well that's the thing, is Parseltongue something you learn how to speak, or is it an ability? [20:48] * fawkes28 starts humming to self [20:48] <SoonerGryffindor> so is this just one that we hav to accept the answer to is that its magic? [20:48] <EmilyVizi> my conclusion: magic solved everything [20:48] <FreedomStar> Eh [20:48] *** Ravenclaws_Heir has quit [Bye] [20:48] <FreedomStar> I disagree [20:48] <cbm> maybe the castle magically updates it;s plumbing [20:48] <Dubes> Magic. That's all there is to it. [20:48] <Aislinn> true prongs - the ancient Romans knew about plumbing [20:48] <Alexk> seems so sooner [20:48] <FreedomStar> magic probably has a definite part in it [20:48] <Val_Halla> I thought it was an ability. Interesting that DD knew it too [20:48] <Alexk> unless jo decides to explain it [20:48] <ProngsPatronus> the ancient egyptians had modern plumbing facilities [20:49] <SoonerGryffindor> I just dont think Hogwarts originally had modern plumbing [20:49] <futureweasley> that's one of those things that you just have to give up and accept, I guess. The plumbing in the CoS is just modern because it is [20:49] <ProngsPatronus> why not? [20:49] <Dubes> No, they just used buckets. [20:49] <Alexk> It would be exciting if the CoS came up again in book 7 [20:49] <Dubes> That was in medeival times. [20:49] <DumbleDebbie> maybe they hired an architect from Egypt [20:49] <SoonerGryffindor> because of the castle and the aura it gives off [20:49] <fawkes28> exactly, future [20:49] <SoonerGryffindor> I cant explain it really [20:49] <DumbleDebbie> that would explain all thos secret tunnels [20:49] <futureweasley> We see from Harry's boggart that turned into a dementor that boggarts inherit the characteristics and magical powers of the form it takes or imitates (the dementor made the room icy cold...). So when Lupin faced it and it changed into a moon, why didn't he automatically change into a werewolf? [20:49] <ProngsPatronus> but there is a continuity in the magical world that the Muggle world did not have [20:49] <harryfreak359> I agree Future [20:49] <MrMcGonagall> I think the real problem is that the bathroom, as described, is difficult to imagine in the year 1000, and it would had to have been there at the time Slytherin created the chamber. [20:50] <futureweasley> now, this has me completely stumped [20:50] <Dubes> It was the illusion of a full moon, not a real one. Like, he can see a picture, but he won't change shape. [20:50] <Alexk> hmmm [20:50] <MrMcGonagall> Well, it wasn't a real moon. [20:50] <harryfreak359> Because it wasn't a real full moon... [20:50] <FreedomStar> yeah, but what about the dementor? [20:50] <Alexk> ooo, i've got a half answer [20:50] <EmilyVizi> Illusion [20:50] <SoonerGryffindor> but then the dementor should not have had dementor properties [20:50] <fawkes28> yes, i think because it wasn't the real moon [20:50] *** stinkywinky has joined #lounge [20:50] <FreedomStar> the dementor exhibited very dementor-like qualities [20:50] <Alexk> yes, i agree [20:50] <futureweasley> but Harry was effected by the dementor boggart, though it wasn't real [20:50] <DumbleDebbie> maybe the transformation is a combination of the moon phase and Lupins hormones [20:50] <FreedomStar> hey sw! [20:50] <SoonerGryffindor> and the dementor-boggart really did act like a demetor [20:50] <Dubes> Harry's just a woosie. [20:50] *** CedrellaBlack has joined #lounge [20:50] <futureweasley> LOL Dubes [20:50] <SoonerGryffindor> hey Ced [20:50] <DumbleDebbie> hi Ced! [20:50] <FreedomStar> welcome cedrella! [20:50] <Aislinn> good point debbie [20:50] <harryfreak359> Hey Ced! [20:50] <Val_Halla> Perhaps the cold was an illusion [20:50] <fawkes28> perhaps because harry had such fever for it that it became real for him [20:50] *** stinkywinky has quit [Bye] [20:50] <CedrellaBlack> hey everyone! [20:51] *** stinkywinky has joined #lounge [20:51] <futureweasley> careful...we could kick you outta here for a statement like that! [20:51] <fawkes28> *fear [20:51] <SoonerGryffindor> I like Debbie explanation [20:51] <CarpeDiem> It was a mini-moon. So there was a little bit of hair growth but nothing noticable ;) [20:51] <cbm> But Remus said the boggart was not as strong as a real dementor, maybe it was the same for the moon [20:51] <CedrellaBlack> I know I'm terribly late [20:51] <DumbleDebbie> hi stinky [20:51] <Alexk> yes but remember fw, when lupin mentions that the effects of a boggart dementor aren't half as powerful as a real one? [20:51] <Dubes> Haha, just a joke :p [20:51] <stinkywinky> Hi everyone! [20:51] <FreedomStar> so if the dementor-boggart had actually reached harry, what would have happened? [20:51] <Val_Halla> lag lag lag [20:51] <FreedomStar> I don't think it could actually suck out the soul [20:51] *** duckiemonkie has quit [Bye] [20:51] <Dubes> Is anyone actually going onto CoC? [20:51] <CedrellaBlack> whats the q [20:51] <futureweasley> so, he should have at LEAST gotten fangs or nails or something Alex, if that's the logic, right? [20:51] <MrMcGonagall> This was a bit of a conundrum with werewolves. Is it just the light of full moon, or that day of the month? [20:51] <CedrellaBlack> I may for a few dubes [20:51] <FreedomStar> but it prey's on Harry's worst fear [20:51] *** Val_Halla has quit [Bye] [20:51] <cbm> nope, I have to go [20:52] <fawkes28> i don't think anything would have happened to harry...it's all in the mind [20:52] <futureweasley> thanks cbm...good to see you [20:52] *** Val_Halla has joined #lounge [20:52] <FreedomStar> So it can only exhibit the qualities and 'properties' of what frightens us most [20:52] <Alexk> and it seems that for werewolves, they need the full effects of a full moon to even start turning into one [20:52] <SoonerGryffindor> lol. So is your exlanation Mr M, that it wasnt "his time of the month?" [20:52] <DumbleDebbie> wb VH [20:52] <FreedomStar> but it wouldn't have been able to actually do anything physical [20:52] <cbm> maybe it had the power of a 1/4 moon [20:52] <cbm> 1/2 [20:52] <MrMcGonagall> I was trying to avoid saying that Sooner!!! [20:52] <Alexk> *into a werewolf [20:52] <Ravendor> lol, Sooner [20:52] <SoonerGryffindor> hahaha [20:52] <EmilyVizi> it wasnt his time of the month , i would agree witht that [20:52] * Val_Halla can never get through a whole chat w/o having to quit [20:52] <DumbleDebbie> right Sooner, the hormones [20:52] <harryfreak359> LOL [20:52] <FreedomStar> That moon wasn't real [20:52] <futureweasley> lol MrMcG... [20:52] <Dubes> I think something like a curse, is different. It takes the real thing. [20:52] <FreedomStar> There must be something about a full mo This post has been edited by futureweasley: Nov 30 2006, 12:01 AM |
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