Wwwc: 08.16.2006, Hermione Granger - Girl Genius! |
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Tonight's Text Chat Moderators were: Aislinn, Expelliarmas, futureweasley, magicmeg8, and Poet
[19:00] *** LJ has joined #lounge [19:00] *** Topic is: Hermione Granger - Girl Genius [19:00] <harryfreak359> hey everyone! [19:00] <Aislinn> smile [19:01] <magicmeg8> hey harryfreak smile [19:01] <harryfreak359> hopefully I'll be able to stay the whole time [19:01] <harryfreak359> hey meg! [19:01] *** Poet has joined #lounge [19:01] <SoonerGryffindor> how is everyone tonight? [19:02] <futureweasley> so awesome! Finals are OVER [19:02] <stewiegryf> doing good [19:02] <futureweasley> WOOT! [19:02] <harryfreak359> pretty good....just a bit of a headache [19:02] <SoonerGryffindor> glad to hear that everyone is having a great Wedesday then [19:02] *** Poet has quit [Bye] [19:02] <harryfreak359> good for you future [19:03] <futureweasley> I'm so happy...I have 3 weeks off school...more time for HP and LL [19:03] *** Poet has joined #lounge [19:03] *** Punky has joined #lounge [19:03] <futureweasley> Punky! Hey! [19:03] <Punky> Hey smile [19:04] <Poet> Hey Punky [19:04] <Punky> Good to see you guys [19:04] <Poet> I'm really excited for tonight's topic [19:04] <magicmeg8> me too smile [19:04] <futureweasley> so good to see you guys [19:04] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, this topic should be great [19:04] <futureweasley> me too, poet [19:04] <harryfreak359> yes, it should be fun [19:04] <Poet> yes yes [19:05] <futureweasley> I love Hermione...she's so deep [19:05] <stewiegryf> i expect this topic to be "perfect" [19:05] <Poet> We all feel a little Hermionish - at least us girls - from time to time [19:05] <harryfreak359> me too, I can relate with her really well [19:05] *** JillianS642 has joined #lounge [19:05] <Poet> I have my snacks ready. [19:05] *** Segonku has joined #lounge [19:05] <harryfreak359> yummy...snacks [19:05] <Aislinn> hi segonku [19:05] <Punky> break out the popcorn smile [19:05] <harryfreak359> :) [19:05] <JillianS642> Err ... don't suppose there's a bit of a how-to manual somewhere around here? [19:06] <Poet> Hi Jillian! [19:06] <JillianS642> Hey poet. biggrin [19:06] <Segonku> Hello Aislinn [19:06] <harryfreak359> why don't my smilies ever work? [19:06] <futureweasley> hi Jillian [19:06] <Aislinn> what do you need to know, jillian? [19:06] * SoonerGryffindor is waiting for her share of the snacks [19:06] <Poet> Welcome to the Corner Booth Jullian [19:06] <Segonku> Hi futureweasley [19:06] * harryfreak359 is too [19:06] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [19:06] <futureweasley> hi Segonku! [19:06] <JillianS642> err ... well, what do we do? Is there someone in charge or do we just chat. I see the topic is set (yay, Hermie!) [19:06] <Aislinn> harryfreak, you have to hit the space bar once before you try to add the smilie [19:06] <harryfreak359> ohhhhh [19:06] * Poet passes snacks out [19:06] <harryfreak359> smile [19:06] <harryfreak359> yay! [19:06] <Aislinn> there are a bunch of us mods. who will lead the chat [19:07] <LJ> there's a ? with help, and a hammer for the tools menu, you should read those - it's like a FAQ for the CB [19:07] <harryfreak359> thanks Aislinn! [19:07] <Poet> Excellent [19:07] <Aislinn> we usually start at quarter past, to give people time to get here [19:07] <stewiegryf> http://www.leakylounge.com/forums.html#entry868691 [19:07] *** Whisperwing has joined #lounge [19:07] <JillianS642> snazzy. And the mods are the people with coloured text or can the rest of us do that, too? [19:07] <stewiegryf> that's the basics of the booth thread, jillian [19:07] *** Professor_Nigellus has joined #lounge [19:07] <Aislinn> you can use color [19:07] <LJ> oh, actually there's a thread with everything too [19:07] <JillianS642> oh, links! fun! [19:07] <Poet> !botsnack [19:07] * Snuffles munches on a yummy treat [19:07] <Whisperwing> We can do it [19:07] <magicmeg8> The mods have a green @ sign, Jillian. [19:07] <Aislinn> look at the bottom right for << or >> [19:07] <Poet> Anyone can use colors [19:07] <Aislinn> click on that and you can pick a color [19:08] <JillianS642> I see that now. That's a great link, stewie. Thanks! Victory is yours! ;) [19:08] <harryfreak359> it took me forever to figure out the color... [19:08] <SoonerGryffindor> just don't use my red.... LOL [19:08] <Poet> Sorry , I couldn't help feeding the server with all that food talk. [19:08] <SoonerGryffindor> that's reserved for Sooners only [19:08] <SoonerGryffindor> smile [19:08] <harryfreak359> lol poet... [19:08] <Whisperwing> Yeah it's midnight in England, guess there's no chance Andy will make it [19:08] *** sassyseahawk has joined #lounge [19:08] <stewiegryf> hehe [19:08] *** sassyseahawk has quit [Bye] [19:08] <JillianS642> wow, is this as horrible as it seems like it will be? [19:08] <stewiegryf> victory is mine! [19:08] *** sassyseahawk has joined #lounge [19:08] <Poet> I'm glad so many are joining us. [19:08] <JillianS642> yay for horrible pink! [19:08] <Aislinn> great topic tonight [19:08] <Whisperwing> It's not so bad against the beige [19:08] <futureweasley> hi sassyseahawk [19:08] <sassyseahawk> hi [19:08] <harryfreak359> yes it is [19:08] <futureweasley> me likes Maroon [19:09] <Expelliarmas> hello, everyone [19:09] <harryfreak359> ahhhhhhhhh [19:09] <JillianS642> methinks we need more colours. biggrin [19:09] <Poet> Don't worry Jillian - you'll find a color that suits you [19:09] <Whisperwing> Well if horrible is what you're hoping for.... [19:09] <harryfreak359> me thinks so too [19:09] <sassyseahawk> lol [19:09] <stewiegryf> just testing out this color... [19:09] <harryfreak359> now we have two greens [19:09] <JillianS642> Only orange can be as horrible as pink, right? [19:09] <Whisperwing> Oh that's truly horrible [19:09] <Whisperwing> but then I hate orange anyway [19:09] <harryfreak359> it is not that bad [19:09] <stewiegryf> i think the pink was better [19:09] <futureweasley> Coller is good [19:09] <harryfreak359> just not yellow [19:10] <Poet> Not such a bad idea [19:10] <futureweasley> color [19:10] <Punky> this is really a rainbow chat tonight now [19:10] <Poet> I try to avoid colors for some reason [19:10] <JillianS642> yeah, I think I'll stick to the pink. Just the right ting of horribleness. Oh wait, I just realized I'm wearing a bright orange shirt. [19:10] <Whisperwing> The worst color to use would be the beige [19:10] <harryfreak359> lol [19:10] <Whisperwing> Can't see it, don't mind it. [19:10] *** Ginny-From-A-Bottle has joined #lounge [19:10] <JillianS642> (think Netherlands football team orange). Heh, excellent point whisperwing. [19:10] <Whisperwing> Wee, Ginny [19:10] <harryfreak359> hey Ginny [19:10] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> lol [19:10] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Hi everyone [19:10] <Punky> Hi Ginny [19:10] <futureweasley> hi GFAB [19:10] <Aislinn> hi ginbot! [19:10] <Aislinn> how are you? [19:11] <SoonerGryffindor> hey GFAB [19:11] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Hi!!! [19:11] <Poet> Hi Ginny! [19:11] *** Angelyka13 has joined #lounge [19:11] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Hiya P! [19:11] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I see you're clipped! [19:11] <Poet> The orange makes me hungry actually [19:11] *** Mokey has joined #lounge [19:11] <futureweasley> Hi Mokey...I love you! [19:11] <futureweasley> lol [19:11] <harryfreak359> orange makes you hungry? [19:11] <SoonerGryffindor> why does orange make you hungry Poet? [19:11] <Aislinn> getting a nice crowd in here tonight biggrin [19:11] <SoonerGryffindor> smile [19:12] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> nerds are popular here smile [19:12] <futureweasley> did you guys all hear Mokey's Tim Robbins story? Check out her sig...it's so funny! [19:12] <Aislinn> lol [19:12] <Poet> Hi Mokey! [19:12] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Hermione is our hero [19:12] <Poet> Yes, quite pipped [19:12] * futureweasley is a nerd [19:12] <Mokey> Hi Poet! [19:12] * harryfreak359 is definitely a nerd [19:12] <futureweasley> rock on, harryfreak [19:12] * Expelliarmas is the grand marshal of nerds [19:12] *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge [19:12] <Whisperwing> Orange.. pumpkin...\ [19:12] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> *emits erkel laugh* [19:13] <Whisperwing> ooh, those new orange cream swirl shakes at Arby's [19:13] * harryfreak359 is more like evil bookworm [19:13] <Poet> I like orange sherbert and orange juice and oranges and orange frosting... [19:13] <JillianS642> hmm ... so is it /me to get the starred comments? [19:13] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [19:13] <harryfreak359> LOL [19:13] <SoonerGryffindor> yes Jillian [19:13] <Whisperwing> two more minutes I think [19:13] <futureweasley> hi fawkes28! [19:13] <JillianS642> thanks Sooner! [19:13] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome fawkes 28 [19:13] <Poet> Welcome NYBookworm [19:13] <Aislinn> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You’re not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you’ll be able to type again soon. [19:13] *** fawkes28 has quit [Bye] [19:13] <SoonerGryffindor> no problem [19:14] *** Riddle2 has joined #lounge [19:14] <Poet> Hi fawkes [19:14] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [19:14] <Aislinn> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod [19:14] <Aislinn> You won’t be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like “Meg got it” in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. [19:14] <Aislinn> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [19:15] <Poet> Hermione Jane Granger is a very bright girl born to 2 muggle dentists who discovers she is a witch. During the course of her first year at Hogwarts, she is sorted into Gryffindor and eventually is befriended by Harry and Ron. Over the years, she has grown into an important member of the trio, often acting as the "brains" of the group. Let's discuss this fascinating character. [19:16] *** erisedfororrim has joined #lounge [19:17] *** erisedfororrim has quit [Bye] [19:17] <Poet> You won’t be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like “Meg got it” in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. [19:17] *** Expelliarmas has quit [Bye] [19:17] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [19:18] <Aislinn> while we get our first question ready, I want to announce that we have a number of new staffers joining us tonight! [19:18] <Aislinn> all the folks that have the green clip next to their names are mods [19:18] *** Tanaqui has joined #lounge [19:18] <SoonerGryffindor> smile [19:18] <Aislinn> I'd also like to mention that the rules of the Lounge apply in here as well, and can be viewed here http://www.leakylounge.com/index.php?act=rules [19:18] *** erisedfororrim has joined #lounge [19:19] <Poet> Hermione, on the surface, seems quite different from her two closest friends, especially early in the series. Do you find it believable that they became friends, and why do you think they did? [19:19] <futureweasley> I think that Ron and Harry needed Hermione [19:20] <stewiegryf> I think that it could have been likely [19:20] <futureweasley> desperately [19:20] *** magicmeg8 has quit [Bye] [19:20] <harryfreak359> Well first, congrats to all the new staff members! [19:20] <JillianS642> And she needed them - she had no friends [19:20] <fawkes28> yay new staffers smile [19:20] <Angelyka13> To me it seems like they were all outcasts. And they attracted each other even if they did not connect on every level right away. [19:20] <SoonerGryffindor> thank you very much guys [19:20] *** magicmeg8 has joined #lounge [19:20] <Tanaqui> it seems to me that any group of friends is going to have someone that looks like they don't belong [19:20] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I think it started out as a feeling sorry for the way they treated her... [19:20] *** whatisright-whatiseasy has joined #lounge [19:20] <futureweasley> it's our pleasure! [19:20] -NickServ- Password accepted - you are now recognized. [19:20] <Expelliarmas> very believable, each gives the other something they need [19:20] <fawkes28> i think that she compromised some of herself and the boys compromised some of themselves [19:21] <futureweasley> i agree fawkes [19:21] <harryfreak359> I think that Hermione needed rom and Harry very much, and they needed her...it kind of gave the friendship a balance [19:21] <Punky> the complement each others strengths and weaknesses very well [19:21] <harryfreak359> ron* [19:21] <futureweasley> their friendship began as a mutual compromise [19:21] <fawkes28> that's what true friendship is about give and take [19:21] <fawkes28> hehe [19:21] <SoonerGryffindor> good points everyone [19:21] <futureweasley> agreed Punky [19:21] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Do you think they would have become friends if they all didn't have a 'near death' experience with the troll and she didn't lie to get them out of trouble? [19:21] <Tanaqui> another question would be why have they remained friends? [19:22] <Poet> I found it hard at first to believe they were friends, but there are few students in each grade at Hogwarts.... [19:22] <sassyseahawk> i agree punky [19:22] <fawkes28> i think it would have taken them longed [19:22] <Poet> Good point Expelliarmus [19:22] <futureweasley> the "near death" bonded them permanently [19:22] <stewiegryf> that's a good question ginny [19:22] <fawkes28> longer [19:22] <sassyseahawk> i think there would have been something else to bring them back together [19:22] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> exactly [19:22] <harryfreak359> I think they would have become friends even without the troll experience, it just would have taken longer...i think [19:22] <Expelliarmas> jo fought veryhard for the troll scene, so it did cement their friendship [19:22] *** Punky left #lounge [] [19:22] *** Riddle2 has quit [Bye] [19:22] <futureweasley> Jo fought tooth and nail to keep that scene in the first movie...the producers wanted to cut it [19:22] <futureweasley> lol Expelliarmas [19:22] <sassyseahawk> and they might not have gotten as close at first [19:22] <SoonerGryffindor> I remember reading that also FW [19:23] <Poet> Yes, the idea of balance seems to be very important in the series. [19:23] <harryfreak359> that would have been very wrong if they took out that scene [19:23] <Angelyka13> I think it would have happened... Hermione seemed to be seeking them out. And she made sure she knew everything about them. [19:23] <sassyseahawk> hmm..thats interesting future weasley, i didnt know that [19:23] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I agree Poet [19:23] <erisedfororrim> i think the thing that they initially related to with each other was that they are all outcasts and not had much experience in gaining their own friends [19:23] *** Lizzieangel90 has joined #lounge [19:23] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree with that erided [19:23] <SoonerGryffindor> *erised [19:23] <futureweasley> hi Lizzie [19:23] <Aislinn> that's an interesting point erised [19:23] <magicmeg8> (hey lizzie!) [19:23] *** Professor_Nigellus has quit [Bye] [19:23] <sassyseahawk> that is true...they were all extremes: [19:23] <Tanaqui> ron as an outcast? or just overwhelmed socially because of siblings? [19:24] <Segonku> I think it was Hermione who transformed the troll incident into friendship by telling the lie [19:24] <erisedfororrim> ron's always been overshadowed by his brothers [19:24] <sassyseahawk> over acheaver, poor, and famous [19:24] <sassyseahawk> in a blunt nutshell [19:24] <futureweasley> I think both Tanaqui [19:24] <fawkes28> ron was selfconscious because he was poor [19:24] <Expelliarmas> well, Harry knows no one, neither does Hermione, and Ron doesn't seem interested in hanging out with his brothers [19:24] <futureweasley> still is...very much so [19:24] <Poet> Erised - I hadn't considered that. [19:24] <erisedfororrim> and i imagine the weasleys are fairly out of society in general [19:24] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that they each had their own stregths and weaknesses and that's what helps them play so well off of each other [19:24] <Tanaqui> okay...i guess i never thought of ron as having trouble making friends... [19:24] <Poet> But you're right that in someways each was a bit of an outcast [19:24] <Poet> Hi Lizzie [19:25] <futureweasley> agreed Sooner [19:25] <harryfreak359> yeah, Hermione wasn't that popular...she was a muggleborn [19:25] <futureweasley> and a know-it-all [19:25] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> What about the dynamic - two only children and one with 6 sibs [19:25] <harryfreak359> Ron was over shadowed by his brothers [19:25] <magicmeg8> and she was rather bossy. [19:25] <Poet> Harry knows so little of his world. Ron is poor and overshadowed by his brothers. [19:25] <Poet> lol [19:25] <fawkes28> and she is naturally quiet at least at when it comes to being social [19:25] <sassyseahawk> so in a way, they were all a bit alone [19:25] <SoonerGryffindor> well, we also have a situation with a muggleborn, half-blood, and full-blood going on also in the trio [19:25] <futureweasley> and Hermione came off as quite bossy in the first book, too [19:25] <Poet> Both Harry and Hermione trying to find their ways in this new world. [19:25] <whatisright-whatiseasy> it seems like ron never really had any friends other than his brothers. [19:26] <harryfreak359> Harry on the other hand was extremely famous...yet clueless on the ways of the wizarding world [19:26] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Ah - good S/G [19:26] <Expelliarmas> i see hermione as more of a take charge person than actually being quiet or shy [19:26] <futureweasley> what was it that Ron called her? "A Nightmare?" [19:26] <Poet> The trio is said to be representative of the 3 parts of a person - body, mind, and soul. In what ways has Hermione filled her role as the "brains" of the group? [19:26] <erisedfororrim> great point sooner [19:26] <Aislinn> me too, expie [19:26] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> and JK also mentions the relationship of their wands [19:26] <harryfreak359> oh, yeah future [19:26] <Poet> Yes - Hermione's voice is often described as bossy in the first book. [19:26] *** erisedfororrim has quit [Bye] [19:26] <SoonerGryffindor> going to the library all the time? [19:26] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I almost made a really bad typo with the word wands just then blushing [19:26] <fawkes28> she always looks up information and it helps the trio many times [19:26] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [19:26] <harryfreak359> "she's a nightmare, honestly, no wonder she hasn't got any friends" t [19:26] <Aislinn> lol [19:27] <stewiegryf> Hermione has done a great job in her role as the brains of the group. We see this often in the books [19:27] *** erisedfororrim has joined #lounge [19:27] <Poet> Nice one Sooner - each represents a type of genetic background in their world [19:27] <futureweasley> her Books! Her brains stem from her ability to do research efficiently and retain all the pertanent information [19:27] <magicmeg8> Well, hermione is obviously the most knowledgeable - academically anyway, and we see that her logic is very keen. [19:27] <SoonerGryffindor> Hermione is the "voice of reason" so to say [19:27] <Expelliarmas> i think each of them represents portions of the body, mind and soul; not mutually exclusive [19:27] <harryfreak359> yeah sooner [19:27] <Aislinn> she certainly helps get them all out of spots with her knowledge [19:27] <JillianS642> I think she's been the brains of the group often but sometimes it's funny when she isn't (like assuming that Crooksahnks is normal) [19:27] <futureweasley> Hermione is also all logical thought in the trio [19:28] <fawkes28> yes and i am sure she is responsible for harry and ron passing some of their classes [19:28] <whatisright-whatiseasy> sorry if this is a bit off topic, but is harry supposed to represent soul? and if so how does ron represent body? that seems a stretch and I've never heard it before [19:28] <Poet> True [19:28] <harryfreak359> she sometimes helps them stay out of trouble or doing something stupid too [19:28] <Aislinn> right in the first book, when they are running away from filch, she already knows the alohamora spell to unlock the door [19:28] *** NYBookworm has quit [Bye] [19:28] <SoonerGryffindor> very logical except when Ron does something realy stupid [19:28] *** riefvly has joined #lounge [19:28] <Whisperwing> AH yes, but their influence over her is also increasingly noticeable, isn't it? They boys bring out her hidden rebellious streak. [19:28] <futureweasley> yes, and oculous reparo [19:28] <harryfreak359> then she blows up [19:28] <magicmeg8> And also when she is emotional, Sooner. [19:28] <fawkes28> harry and ron would not get very far without her [19:28] <Expelliarmas> she also adds to the soul portion of the body--she is quite senstive, surprisingly [19:28] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, she has bailed them out of a lot of jams [19:28] <stewiegryf> that's only in the movie futurewealsey ;) [19:28] <futureweasley> lol, well, it's in two movies! [19:29] <harryfreak359> brb [19:29] <Segonku> Hermione is not just the brains of the trio, she's also the conscience [19:29] <harryfreak359> ohhhhh dang [19:29] <JillianS642> I think Ron is soul, Harry is body. [19:29] <harryfreak359> man, I have to go [19:29] <futureweasley> it's gotta be canon if it's in two movies! [19:29] <Aislinn> that's a good point segonku [19:29] <Poet> There is a magical snake (the runespore) that has three heads and likes to argue. The trio reminds me of this snake at ties. [19:29] <magicmeg8> haha. but it is an example of hermione's logic -- the oculus reparo. [19:29] <futureweasley> sorry, harryfreak [19:29] <SoonerGryffindor> good talking with you harryfreak [19:29] <Lizzieangel90> ok i'm sorry...i can't stay sad have fun and enjoy the chat! smile byebye [19:29] <SoonerGryffindor> bye lizzie [19:29] <fawkes28> bye [19:29] *** SevenofNine has joined #lounge [19:29] <futureweasley> bye lizzie [19:29] <magicmeg8> hi sevenofnine smile [19:29] *** WaggaWaggaWerewolf has joined #lounge [19:29] <SoonerGryffindor> hello 7of9 [19:29] <Whisperwing> Wagga! [19:29] *** Lizzieangel90 has quit [Bye] [19:29] <Aislinn> seven! I am assimilated! [19:29] <SoonerGryffindor> and wagga [19:29] <futureweasley> hi wagga and sevenofnine [19:30] <harryfreak359> bye sooner, nice talking to ya all! [19:30] <Poet> Hermione's intellect allows Jo to keep the perspective mainly with Harry while still getting information to us that we need. [19:30] <Expelliarmas> resistence is futile! [19:30] <JillianS642> looks like people other than me have also recieved ill-timed phone calls from acquaintances, the way they run off. [19:30] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [19:30] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Hi, but I can only stay for 1/2 an hour [19:30] <futureweasley> that's what you say now, wagga [19:30] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> absolutely brilliant point, Poet [19:30] <JillianS642> Excellent point, Poet. [19:30] <SoonerGryffindor> well then lets make the most of it then [19:30] <magicmeg8> Yeah, good point Poet -- she's a great tool as far as the technical elements of the story goes. [19:30] <Angelyka13> I feel Hermione also helps Ron & Harry learn to use their own intellect, in ways that they may not have known they could until they met her. [19:30] <futureweasley> yes, that's true, Poet...but that can be said of Ron too [19:30] <SoonerGryffindor> and to further expound on Poets point..... JKR has said more than once that she uses Hermione as her own voice sometimes [19:30] <Poet> Yes, we see in Book 4 the conscience of Hermione develop [19:31] <JillianS642> Ron, on the other hand, I think gives us more of an insiders wizarding view on things - he's good for filling in biases and that sor of thing [19:31] <Aislinn> she is their walking Hogwarts, A History [19:31] <magicmeg8> Good point, Sooner! [19:31] <Tanaqui> but do you suppose madam pince might have been a nicer character if hermione weren't around to do all the library work? [19:31] <magicmeg8> lol. [19:31] <Poet> Hermione is also the one to do research when Hagrid needs help with his hearings. [19:31] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I think Hermione and the History of Hogwarts useful for explanation. [19:31] <Expelliarmas> madame pince would have been one more obstacle [19:31] <futureweasley> Jo said no...that she's never met a helpful librarian [19:31] <Whisperwing> And she's got a bit of Jo's wicked side too, doesn't she? [19:31] <futureweasley> and Pince is drawn from that experience [19:31] <Whisperwing> Can you say, canary attack? [19:31] <Aislinn> jo said she had to have a mean librarian, or the trio would have solved everything too quickly smile [19:31] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, if Hermione talks long enough, we will eventually know everything that is in Hogwarts, A History [19:31] <SevenofNine> No, I think Pince is just a horrible person. biggrin [19:32] <fawkes28> true aislinn [19:32] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Nope. Madame Pince just a stereotype old librarian [19:32] <magicmeg8> I like that though Hermione is the "brains" of the trio, she points out that it's not only "books and cleverness" that are important. [19:32] <futureweasley> I wish we could get Hogwarts, A History [19:32] <fawkes28> yes i like when she says that meg [19:32] <futureweasley> right magicmegs [19:32] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I wrote a thesis about it but missed Madame pince [19:32] <Aislinn> good point, meg [19:32] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> that would be a wonderful charity project smile [19:32] <JillianS642> me, too, futureweasley! [19:32] <Aislinn> she recognizes it is just one thing that is important [19:32] <SevenofNine> I work at my city's offices, and I find our librarians to be delightfully helpful. [19:32] <Expelliarmas> I don't think we can limit hermione to just the brains of the outfit; she provides insight into the feelings of others--look at OOTP [19:32] *** SillyPutty has joined #lounge [19:32] <futureweasley> I think all of Hermione's magical knowledge would be represented in such a book [19:33] <Poet> Hermione is thought of as one of the smartest girls in the school. Why did she end up in Gryffindor? [19:33] <SevenofNine> You'd think that Pince would love Hermione since Hermione loves the library so much. [19:33] <futureweasley> her bravery...her nerve [19:33] <Tanaqui> i dunno about hermione helping the boys use their intellect--how often is she doing their homework? OH--or is just just helping them... [19:33] <Poet> lol [19:33] <Expelliarmas> she's a gryffindor because that's what she wanted [19:33] <Whisperwing> Is there a thread about Madame Pince? BEcause I think she's a bit unfairly maligned, myself. [19:33] <futureweasley> Hermione is sheer guts [19:33] <stewiegryf> She chose Gryffindor. After all, the series is all about choices [19:33] <Poet> You don't want to get on Hermione's bad side, no. [19:33] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that Hermione and McGonagall are very close in personality and nature [19:33] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I'm thinking of writing an essay about Hermione and information literacy. Apart from looking after books, Mme Pince almost redundant [19:33] <SevenofNine> Could that be a part of the different houses working together? [19:33] <Tanaqui> in the shrieking stacks whisperwing [19:33] <Mokey> I agree Sooner [19:33] <stewiegryf> me too, sooner [19:33] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Poet - I think she ended up in Gryff for one of two reasons: 1. like harry, she asked, or 2. sorting hat had foresight [19:34] <JillianS642> I think it's the same reason that there are some brave people in Slytherin, and all that. Everyone has a bit of every house in themselves [19:34] <SoonerGryffindor> and I think even though MCG could have been in Ravenclaw, there is a reason she is head of Gryf [19:34] <SevenofNine> Harry was meant for Slytherin too, Hermione for Ravenclaw, and Neville for Hufflepuff? [19:34] <SevenofNine> Ron seems like the only pure Gryffindor [19:34] <Poet> Welcome to the Hermione discussion Silly Putty! [19:34] <Angelyka13> intellect doesnt have to relate to books [19:34] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> How much does the sorting hat's intuition factor in smile [19:34] <SillyPutty> hey..., thanks poet [19:34] <futureweasley> true Angel [19:34] <SevenofNine> Are representative from each house? [19:34] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, but is there really a pure gryffindor? [19:34] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Sometimes people have to be brave to be clever. Especially Hermione. Girl, Muggle, as well as brains [19:35] <SevenofNine> She's got guts, too. [19:35] <SevenofNine> Looks what Hermione's been willing to do once committed? [19:35] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I don't think there is a pure anything. Not even pure blood [19:35] <Poet> Hermione also seems to have a bit of Hufflepuff - the way she likes to help others. [19:35] <futureweasley> she has an amazing work ethic...and she fears only herself [19:35] <Angelyka13> I think the sorting has to do with what one is capable of doing... not what they can outright do with ease. [19:35] <SevenofNine> I don't mean in that sense, though, Wagga. [19:35] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree FW, I mean, look at what her boggart is even [19:35] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> good point F/W [19:36] <Poet> hmm [19:36] <Expelliarmas> the sorting hat considered putting her in reavenclaw [19:36] *** Expelliarmas has quit [Bye] [19:36] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [19:36] <JillianS642> interesting point, Angelyka. Capability, not what is easy ... [19:36] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Does anyone think she should have been punished for slapping Draco? [19:36] <Poet> I agree that everyone has a bit of each house in them. [19:36] <SevenofNine> And Hermione is capable of a LOT [19:36] <JillianS642> I don't think Hermione asked to be in Gryffindor, though, I think it just decided that's ultimately where she should be most. [19:36] <SevenofNine> No, she should have been given an award [19:36] <futureweasley> I don't know how I feel about that, Wagga [19:36] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> she's well rounded definitely [19:37] *** HPMommy has joined #lounge [19:37] <fawkes28> i guess it just goes to show that you cant judge a book by its cover and the sorting hat shows us that [19:37] <Aislinn> no, wagga [19:37] <magicmeg8> hey hpmommy!!! [19:37] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Good!!!!!! [19:37] *** Expelliarmas has quit [Bye] [19:37] <SillyPutty> I agree fawkes [19:37] <Poet> Only Gryffindor himself I imagine. [19:37] <Angelyka13> No adult was really there to catch her and punish her. [19:37] <HPMommy> Hi MagicMeg [19:37] <SoonerGryffindor> well, it is also imortant to remember that Hermione mentioned initally that she wanted to be in Gryf [19:37] <JillianS642> I don't think so, wagga, but then, I never got punished for kicking a boy in kindergarten. [19:37] <Whisperwing> From a strictly school discipline standpoint, it didn't happen in the presence of a teacher so it really isn't punishable, is it? [19:37] <Angelyka13> b/c that was dumbledores house [19:37] <magicmeg8> I think that fire that Hermione has, as sevenofnine pointed out earlier, is really what placed her in gryffindor. [19:37] <Tanaqui> and she's studying everything, so she'd know which house held what kind of students, right? [19:37] <JillianS642> (he said girls couldn't do karate - I proved him wrong, and the teacher accepted it) [19:37] <SevenofNine> True, Sooner. But I don't think she woul dhave been disapointed to be put in Ravenclaw [19:37] <SillyPutty> and there was no way Draco was going to say a girl hit him [19:38] <futureweasley> whisper, that's like ripping out a page from a book in a library when Pince isn't around [19:38] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree, but I still think that even if she didn't directly ask the hat, it knew [19:38] <futureweasley> does it make it right? [19:38] <Aislinn> agreed, seven, she probably would have been fine in ravenclaw as well [19:38] <Whisperwing> You could have just told him about Cynthia Rothrock, couldn't you? [19:38] *** Segonku has quit [Bye] [19:38] <Aislinn> but not developed as much balance in her life [19:38] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I don't think you should have been punished either Jillian [19:38] <Poet> Hi Hope! [19:38] <SevenofNine> But I don't think the hat sorts just on what you want, do you? [19:38] <HPMommy> Hi Sarah [19:38] <Aislinn> no, I think it is a combination [19:38] <Mokey> I don't think so either Seven [19:38] *** Segonku has joined #lounge [19:39] <SillyPutty> no... definatly a combination... [19:39] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [19:39] <Aislinn> inherent characteristics as well as desire, which comes from those inherent characteristics [19:39] <Mokey> I think the reason it put Harry in Gryffindor was because he had the Courage and Nerve to make that choice, not cause it was the one he wanted [19:39] <JillianS642> I think I probably should have been - but everything in context, right? The context was that he insulted her first, many, many times. [19:39] <SevenofNine> I agree with DD that Harry was a true Gryffindor, even though he may have Slytherin tendies [19:39] *** mode/#lounge [+o Expelliarmas] by Snuffles [19:39] <SevenofNine> *tendencies [19:39] <Poet> Hermione's birthday is September 19th, making her likely the oldest in her year at school. How do you think her age helps and hinders her ability to do well in school both academically and socially, especially her first year or two at Hogwarts? [19:39] <SevenofNine> (inherited from LV) [19:39] <Mokey> and Hermione has plenty of courage and nerve [19:39] <SillyPutty> have to go work calls, be back later hopefully [19:39] <sassyseahawk> it prob. makes her more mature [19:39] <Mokey> I don't think it makes much of a difference [19:39] <SoonerGryffindor> well, girls are more mature anyway [19:40] <fawkes28> i think if hermione was a year ahead she would still be at the top of her class [19:40] <erisedfororrim> i don't think age makes a difference at all [19:40] <JillianS642> I think that's where she gets her bosiness from - her age [19:40] <SoonerGryffindor> ;) [19:40] <futureweasley> Hermione is really mature in some instances, but not in others [19:40] *** SillyPutty has quit [Bye] [19:40] <stewiegryf> i don't think her age has too much difference. its not like she's years older, just a few months [19:40] <Aislinn> she definitely seems more mature than the 2 boys in the first book [19:40] <SevenofNine> Hermione and I share birthdays. Girls tend to mature master than boys anyway, but she was socially inept inthe beginning [19:40] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> 19th Sept birthday accounts for her being more physically and emotionally developed than Ron [19:40] <Aislinn> and really, throughout the series [19:40] <futureweasley> she's socially way behind...you see that throughout the books [19:40] <Expelliarmas> I don't know age makes any difference [19:40] <Mokey> because she was just more unfamiliar with the wizarding world than other students when she got her letter [19:40] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Well, as a girl she would be maturing faster than the two boys in a lot of ways [19:40] <SoonerGryffindor> I was about to say the same thing Ais [19:40] *** HPMommy left #lounge [] [19:40] <Poet> Hermione loves the rules and comes across as very mature and on the sides of the teachers. [19:40] <Whisperwing> As girls are already more mature than boys their own age, and Hermione's even that little bit older than just about all the boys in her level at Hogwarts, she has to have something of a motherly perception towards them. [19:41] <futureweasley> but she socially cuts herself off at the knees with her peers [19:41] <Poet> I imagine her age makes the differences between herself and the younger ones in her year stand out more [19:41] <SevenofNine> Considering how inept Hermione was in the beginning, she's really become rather astute at reading people. [19:41] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> she does take the lead quite a bit [19:41] <Mokey> I agree that she's a bit socially beind futureweasly, but I'm not sure it has to do with her age [19:41] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Has a different relationship with her parents. They are dentists [19:41] <Aislinn> and she is described as acting in a way similar to molly at times, whisper [19:41] <Expelliarmas> perhaps Hermione was hiding a bit behind the rules, to get a sense of structure and safety? [19:41] <erisedfororrim> i agree completely 7 [19:41] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> she keeps them on track academically [19:41] <fawkes28> and she is an only child [19:41] <Whisperwing> Socially behind is unrelated to emotional maturity. [19:41] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Dentists say nice seeing you, see you in 6mths time [19:41] <sassyseahawk> but if you notice...she doesnt act silly like lavender and the other girls [19:41] <Aislinn> how do you think that affected her, fawkes? [19:41] <Poet> Yes, I think it makes her seem a bit more bossy because she's not willing to put up with as much silliness. [19:41] <SoonerGryffindor> I definitely think that all of these factors contribute to her increased maturity over the boys [19:41] <futureweasley> no, she doesn't sassy, good point [19:42] <fawkes28> i think that she had lack of exposure to other kids [19:42] <futureweasley> Hermione often retreats from "fun" [19:42] <SoonerGryffindor> she's a very no-nonsense type of person to begin with [19:42] <JillianS642> Perhaps she was Experlliarmas, just as she may hide behind her knowledge (reading Hogwarts a History before school) [19:42] <futureweasley> her idea of fun lies in other places [19:42] <Whisperwing> Being an only child might contribute there. [19:42] <SevenofNine> Gotta run! Bye [19:42] *** SevenofNine has quit [Bye] [19:42] <fawkes28> and interacted with kidslike she interacted with her parents [19:42] <Angelyka13> do we really have any idea how she was before hogwarts? Or was her whole attitude a defense mechinism for a "new world" [19:42] * futureweasley is an only child, and still has social grace [19:42] <fawkes28> she acts like an adult [19:42] <Aislinn> good point fawkes [19:42] <SoonerGryffindor> by seven, please rejoin us when you can [19:42] <fawkes28> thanks [19:42] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> but is she really an adult? [19:42] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Angel - I think she would have been the same - top of her class and such [19:42] <Whisperwing> Unlike an only who had undivided attention from both parents, hermione surely had to entertain herself from an early age with two busy dentists for parents. [19:43] *** martysmarty1 has joined #lounge [19:43] <Poet> We see later that she is also a natural leader. [19:43] <JillianS642> I think she was no-nonsense as well, sooner. But then, so was I in a very many ways, so perhaps that's why I can see that. [19:43] <fawkes28> no but she doesnt know any other way to act, wagga [19:43] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> yes - Poet - definitely a natural leader [19:43] <JillianS642> (I was also rather socially inept - see earlier comment about kicking people) [19:43] <Poet> uh huh [19:43] <martysmarty1> she's my favorite character [19:43] <JillianS642> Wagga: she isn't really an adult but she is more aware and mature than most her age. [19:43] <futureweasley> mine too, Marty [19:44] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Jillian [19:44] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> She has a great sense of responsibility [19:44] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Parents seem to love her. Perhaps they are a bit distant [19:44] * SoonerGryffindor admits to being a bit socially inept from time to tme [19:44] <Expelliarmas> in the sense of responsibility, she reminds me of [blah] Percy! [19:44] <Poet> The only child thing might be a bit of a problem, yes. Hangs out with adults a lot. [19:44] <Aislinn> they do seem to care for her [19:44] <futureweasley> Hermione's a leader, she marches to the beat of her own drum...and don't expect her to be the life of the party [19:44] <fawkes28> they seem like busy people [19:44] <Poet> Jo said that when she need to tell the readers something she would let Hermione or Dumbledore say it. Have there been times when you didn't trust something Hermione said in the books? [19:44] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> and it shows through her work eithic, her ability to know when to 'bend' the rules - that takes mature discretion [19:44] <stewiegryf> I think everyone is at some time or another, sooner smile [19:45] <fawkes28> no, poet not that i can recall [19:45] <sassyseahawk> i read something one time, that says that when she is upset, she is usually wrong. [19:45] <sassyseahawk> ie: divination [19:45] <Angelyka13> Mostly her ability to judge someone [19:45] <Poet> She was dead on about not trusting the Half Blood Prince's book. [19:45] <JillianS642> Yes, I don't trust her thoughts on Crookshanks at all. [19:45] <fawkes28> true [19:45] <futureweasley> no, she seems to get everything from a canon-type source [19:45] <SoonerGryffindor> well, dare we bring up our favorite potion's master? [19:45] <Expelliarmas> Hermione not wanting to look further than Crookshanks being a cat [19:45] <magicmeg8> You know, I don't think I've ever not trusted her. I think sometimes her views can be too optimistic, but I've never not trusted her. [19:45] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I think she's misguided as it relates to the elves - don't get me wrong [19:45] <futureweasley> really, Jillian? Why? [19:45] <JillianS642> she also often brushes aside things that don't agree with her thoughts on how things should be [19:45] <Aislinn> I agree ginbot [19:45] <Expelliarmas> how about being wrong about Lockhart? [19:45] <Mokey> I didn't trust her when she threatened to turn the map in [19:45] <magicmeg8> That's true, jillian. [19:46] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I think her heart is in the right place, but she doesn't see they find her pushiness insulting [19:46] <fawkes28> oh true expel [19:46] <Aislinn> she thinks she is doing the right thing, but doesn't really try to understand the elves [19:46] <stewiegryf> She always seems to have a good handle on situations, even if she's not completely right [19:46] <SoonerGryffindor> she also gets very threatened by Trelawney [19:46] <Segonku> I'm not sure I trust her assessment of Trelawney [19:46] <magicmeg8> Oh, good point, expel! and also I don't agree with her previous ideas about Snape. [19:46] <futureweasley> her heart is in the right place where "SPEW" is involved [19:46] <fawkes28> her emotions got in the way with him [19:46] <JillianS642> futureweasley - she keeps saying he's just a regular cat, and I think he's much more than that (see "conversation" with Snuffles) [19:46] <sassyseahawk> was she really wrong about Lockheart or just blinded? [19:46] <Mokey> I'm not sure about her assessment of Trewlawny [19:46] <Aislinn> I don't see her as being threatened by trelawney - just sees her as a fraud [19:46] <futureweasley> yeah, he's a half-kneazle [19:46] <JillianS642> excellent point Aislinn about the elves [19:46] <fawkes28> blinded kind of like the boys with the veela [19:46] <sassyseahawk> exactly [19:46] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes - she is highly emotional and that sometimes affects her ability to assess a situation, but she's very resilient and can usually get them in check [19:47] <Angelyka13> as for divination... I think she just has trouble believing the intangable. There is no concrete to divination [19:47] <stewiegryf> I think that she sees right through Trelawney and doesn't respect her style of teaching [19:47] <Mokey> I don't think she was wrong about Lockheart, she didn't claim he was an amazing couragous wizard she just though he was a hunk [19:47] <JillianS642> I think Hermione has a very child-like approach to them, though [19:47] <futureweasley> good point GFAB [19:47] <Poet> Yes, it always comes back to Snape, huh? [19:47] <magicmeg8> Good point Jillian -- she doesn't really see the greater implications. [19:47] <sassyseahawk> ofc Poet [19:47] <futureweasley> amazingly enough, I think she's just uninformed about things she doesn't want to know [19:47] <Expelliarmas> hermione believed everything Lockhart said in his books, because he wrote the books [19:47] <Poet> She was a bit fantical about SPEW [19:47] <JillianS642> Maybe when her heart is involved, her brain doesn't work as well?? [19:47] <Poet> Yes. [19:47] <sassyseahawk> thats going to be a key [19:48] <futureweasley> which can, at times, make her look naive [19:48] <fawkes28> hermione seems to need to have a right or wrong answer with divination it didn't work like that because it didnt deal with facts [19:48] <Poet> Lockhart - that was hilarious. [19:48] *** Poet has quit [Bye] [19:48] <stewiegryf> Also, don't forget what she did to Umbridge in OotP and how she didn't realize the implications of her actions there either [19:48] <Mokey> I agree that she can be niave futureweasly [19:48] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> yes - fawkes - exactly - she's definitely logically based in her thinking [19:48] <Aislinn> I was actually quite surprised at Hermione's reaction to Lockhart, as she is generally much more practical, and not fan-girlish [19:48] <stewiegryf> good point jillian [19:48] *** Poet has joined #lounge [19:48] <Angelyka13> Perhaps coming from a muggle world she doesnt see the elves as they actually are... maybe she cant connect to the fact that they are able to choose their life. Not like an animal that needs rescuing [19:48] <fawkes28> hermione is a very sequential learner the randomness of divination is too much for her [19:48] <futureweasley> Where the mind or the heart are involved, hermione will always choose mind, because she trusts it more [19:48] *** mode/#lounge [+o Poet] by Snuffles [19:49] *** LJ has quit [Bye] [19:49] <Poet> yep [19:49] <Expelliarmas> the reaction to Lockhart was to show she could be blinded by looks or celebrity? [19:49] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> lol - good point fawkes [19:49] <Mokey> See I think she goes with her heart alot [19:49] <Mokey> I think that's part of the reason she's a gryffindor [19:49] <sassyseahawk> i think it would be looks expelliarmas [19:49] <JillianS642> Aislinn: but how many other practical girls had new Kids on the Block posters? [19:49] <sassyseahawk> because...shes not blinded by harry [19:49] <fawkes28> i think with lockhart it shows us that she can be just like any other girl [19:49] *** CarpeDiem has joined #lounge [19:49] * JillianS642 listens to crickets chirp [19:49] <Aislinn> maybe expie [19:49] <Expelliarmas> lol! Jillian [19:49] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I think, Mokey, she has a balance between logic and emotion [19:49] <Poet> Hi Carpe! [19:49] <Mokey> yeah I agree fawkes [19:50] <Poet> Glad to have you with us! [19:50] <CarpeDiem> Hiya Poet! [19:50] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Hi CD smile [19:50] <futureweasley> I think she tries to have a balance, but she gets confused easily [19:50] <Mokey> I thik she she swings between them like a pendulum [19:50] <Mokey> I agree futureweasly [19:50] <Whisperwing> Plus she was probably swayed by his adventurous sounding memoirs, which finally turned out to be bunk of course. [19:50] <futureweasley> yes, Mokey...exactly [19:50] <Mokey> Hi Carpe Diem [19:50] *** martysmarty1 has quit [Bye] [19:50] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Not good in a crisis. Not always quick thinking [19:50] <fawkes28> i think she wants to be "normal" but then she doesn't [19:50] <sassyseahawk> she isnt like that with frienze [19:50] <stewiegryf> I've gotta go! Bye all! [19:50] <magicmeg8> (hey carpe!) [19:50] <SoonerGryffindor> bye stewie [19:50] *** SillyPutty has joined #lounge [19:50] <Expelliarmas> she's gotten better in the crisis though [19:50] <futureweasley> oh, she thinks...just not the right thoughts [19:50] <sassyseahawk> ofc...she doesnt have that class either [19:50] <fawkes28> bye stewie [19:50] <magicmeg8> bye stewie [19:50] <Aislinn> bye stewie [19:51] *** stewiegryf left #lounge [] [19:51] <SoonerGryffindor> see ya in room 11 [19:51] <Mokey> bye stewie [19:51] <Aislinn> yes she has expie [19:51] <Poet> Jo gave Hermione an unusual first name to avoid the chance that any real-life girls might be made fun of because they shared Hermione's name and some of her appearance. Have you ever met someone named Hermione? Have you ever been called "a Hermione"? [19:51] <JillianS642> I think she learned not to be like that for frienze, sassy [19:51] <futureweasley> I get called a Hermione constantly [19:51] <SoonerGryffindor> lol... I didn't even know how to pronounce it till the movie came out [19:51] <JillianS642> Oh, only always about that last bit! [19:51] <Expelliarmas> I've been called an "insufferable-little-know-it-all" but not Hermione. [19:51] <Mokey> I would be flattered to be called a Hermione, but I'm usually called a luna ;) [19:51] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Logical thinking. Yes I know someone called Hermione but it wasn't her first name [19:51] <SillyPutty> never, mos tof my friends haven't read the books [19:51] <CarpeDiem> I like to call people Hermione! Does that count? smile [19:51] <Segonku> I never met an Hermione, but knew of 2 actressess with that name [19:51] <magicmeg8> lol carpe. [19:51] <Poet> I have never met someone by that name, personally. [19:51] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> lol - I've been called Hermione [19:51] <Mokey> lol Carpe [19:52] <Tanaqui> same here segonku [19:52] <fawkes28> i know a lot of girls i taught wanted to be hermione [19:52] *** LJ has joined #lounge [19:52] <magicmeg8> I've never met anyone or been called a hermione. [19:52] <sassyseahawk> right right jillian [19:52] <fawkes28> it was popular [19:52] <magicmeg8> lol fawkes! [19:52] <Aislinn> It will be interesting to see if people start naming their baby girls Hermione now [19:52] <futureweasley> lol Mokey [19:52] <Poet> Yes, now days it's great to be thought of as a Hermione. [19:52] <Poet> Probably not so much right after Book 1 though. [19:52] <Tanaqui> what does the name mean? [19:52] <JillianS642> I've noticed lots of little girls like to be Hermione for roll playing (this was live action) or halloween. [19:52] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> It isn't a bad name, though being called Hermioninny and Hermy might be a minus [19:52] <Aislinn> not sure, tanaqui [19:52] <sassyseahawk> sometimes...we say "we pulled a hermione" [19:52] <Mokey> or Hermy one [19:52] <futureweasley> lol Wagga... [19:52] <CarpeDiem> Yep, I agree! I think the name has become associated with booksmarts. [19:53] <Poet> Yes Aislinn - we've seen people naming their pets after people in the series. [19:53] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I think it's a gorgeous name [19:53] <Aislinn> the lexicon only references the fact that it is from a shakespeare play [19:53] <futureweasley> Herms would be a bad nickname too [19:53] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> sounds very Scottish [19:53] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> gaelic/welsh [19:53] <Mokey> I agree ginbot [19:53] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> That is only since the books came out. I'm getting too old. [19:53] <Mokey> that's it gorgeous [19:53] <SoonerGryffindor> just as long as no one calls me Herm-own ninny I will be okay [19:53] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I can just hear a glaswegian saying it [19:53] <Tanaqui> hmmmm...i looked it up [19:53] <JillianS642> I think she's associated with booksmarts and Emma Watson's good looks (right name, right?) [19:53] <Poet> Yes, though we know that Jo didn't intend for Hermione to be patterned at all after Shakespeare's Hermione. [19:53] <Tanaqui> it's greek and means earthy [19:53] <Whisperwing> My pets only have Lord of the Rings names... [19:54] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Derivative of Hermes the Greek god of communication. Otherwise known as Mercury [19:54] <magicmeg8> Hermione is the name of one of the characters in A Winter's Tale, but JKR said she did not name Hermione after her. [19:54] <SillyPutty> heard it mean messanger... Hermoine was supposible the daughter of a greek god in mythology [19:54] <sassyseahawk> there were several examples of hermione in greek mythology [19:54] <Whisperwing> Oh and Mercury is the ruler of Virgo which is Hermione's Zodiac sign! [19:54] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Interesting Wagga - considering her role in the series [19:54] <Aislinn> right whisper! [19:54] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Bingo [19:54] <Tanaqui> so is she 'earthy'? [19:54] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> she's the historrian [19:54] * futureweasley is an only child and a virgo [19:54] <JillianS642> Pity that Emma's so good looking though - I like that Hermione isnt and doesn't care about her looks very often. [19:54] <futureweasley> who's a hermione now? [19:54] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> narrator sometimes [19:54] <Aislinn> she is earthy [19:54] <Poet> Wow Tanaqui, I didn't know that about it meaning "earthy" [19:55] <Angelyka13> in mythology she was the daughter of menelaus & helen. wife to neoptolemus & orestes & bore O a son tisamenus. [19:55] <Mokey> Well born, stone. Feminine name derived from Hermes. In Greek mythology, Hermione was the daughter of King Menelaus of Sparta and Helen of Troy. [19:55] <Segonku> Yes, sassy, there's a Hermione in the Helen of Troy story, I think [19:55] <Expelliarmas> well, communications would work, she sure does talk a lot [19:55] *** Expelliarmas has quit [Bye] [19:55] <sassyseahawk> true...there are several examples [19:55] <erisedfororrim> did someone mention greece???? [19:55] <Angelyka13> it would take me a long time to get the whole story. [19:55] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [19:55] <SillyPutty> Derived from the name of the Greek god HERMES. Hermes was the Greek god of speed and good luck. In Greek myth Hermione was the daughter of Menelaus and Helen. [19:55] <JillianS642> heh, cute future! [19:55] <CarpeDiem> Jillian, I like that thought as well. You're correct about that. [19:55] <sassyseahawk> i cant remember the other one...mokey got one though [19:55] <Whisperwing> Goddess of the Harvest, a Persephone legend connection.... taken into Hades' realm [19:55] <erisedfororrim> hermione is helen of troy's daughter [19:55] *** Professor_Nigellus has joined #lounge [19:55] <Whisperwing> The Virgo thing I mean [19:56] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Hi Prof nice to meet you smile [19:56] *** Expelliarmas has quit [Bye] [19:56] <Professor_Nigellus> hi wagga [19:56] <Mokey> hi Professor Nigellus [19:56] <Poet> I love the research that Jo does for her books and the incorporation of various myths and legends [19:56] <erisedfororrim> she married achilles, but had previously been engaged to orestes (the guy who killed his mother for killing his father agammemnon) [19:56] *** sherbert_lemon123 has joined #lounge [19:56] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Orestes went made [19:56] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> sorry, mad [19:56] <sassyseahawk> orestes was the story i was thinking about [19:57] <sassyseahawk> thank you wagga! [19:57] <erisedfororrim> oops, i meant to say achilles' son [19:57] <magicmeg8> So, how do you think this all incorporates into Hermione? [19:57] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Neoptolemus [19:57] <JillianS642> I really like the research as well, poet This post has been edited by magicmeg8: Aug 16 2006, 09:33 PM |
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[19:57] <sassyseahawk> im a classics minor and was having a brain freeze
[19:57] <erisedfororrim> and orestes killed her hubby so she married him eventually [19:57] <Poet> Hermione's wand is vinewood with a dragon heartstring core. What does this tell us about her personality? [19:57] <JillianS642> although I think we can drive ourselves crazy looking for too much connection. [19:57] <SillyPutty> Poet I am with you... her incorporation of legends is what really drew me to the story [19:57] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> she's strong Poet [19:57] *** LillyLovegood has joined #lounge [19:57] <JillianS642> speaking of ... good question [19:57] <sassyseahawk> they were followed by the ?fates? was it, for killing thier mother [19:57] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Hermione got a bit of the dragon in her? [19:58] *** sherbert_lemon123 has quit [Bye] [19:58] <fawkes28> lol [19:58] <SillyPutty> hence the ability with the fire? [19:58] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> and a lion - gryff [19:58] *** whatisright-whatiseasy has quit [Bye] [19:58] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Sometimes like Mrs Weasley & Prof Mcgonagall [19:58] <erisedfororrim> orestes> yup that's the one [19:58] <sassyseahawk> could that perhaps be that the voldemort saga will follow her until it is taken care of? [19:58] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [19:58] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> hey - great observation silly P [19:58] <Poet> Vinewood seems like it would be flexible but strong, yes. [19:58] <Aislinn> do we know if vinewood has any significance? [19:58] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> er... I mean sillyputty [19:58] <SillyPutty> yeah it does.... poet [19:58] *** riefvly has quit [Bye] [19:58] <Aislinn> good point poet [19:58] <Poet> And there is something also musical about the idea of heartstring [19:58] <CarpeDiem> Vinewood = flexible? Dragon = strong? Heartstring = loving/caring? [19:58] <SillyPutty> I understood ginny from a bottle [19:59] <SoonerGryffindor> not sure about the significance Ais [19:59] <futureweasley> yes, it's on JKRs sight [19:59] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> good ones CD [19:59] <Mokey> I have no idea what the significance of vinewood is [19:59] *** Tanaqui left #lounge [] [19:59] <futureweasley> she used the 3 woods as symbolize to bring the trio together [19:59] <Aislinn> the meaning of vinewood is on her site? [19:59] <futureweasley> let me try to find it...I'll brb [19:59] *** riefvly has joined #lounge [19:59] <Poet> Well her wand is based on the Celtic woods that are associated with their birthdays, am I correct? [19:59] <Mokey> oh is it? [19:59] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Ginny short from Genevra not Virginia. What is meaning of vinewood? [19:59] <Mokey> thanks futureweasly! [19:59] <Poet> That's what I was thinking Carpe [19:59] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> yes - she did F/W [20:00] <Segonku> So two of the trio are hollywood and vine? [20:00] <SillyPutty> time to go again, very enjoyable.... be back later.... [20:00] <Poet> Hermione seems to have a deep ability to care, even if her caring is sometimes misplaced. [20:00] <fawkes28> bye sillyputty [20:00] <Aislinn> lol [20:00] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Holly, vine and [20:00] <SillyPutty> lol! segonku... lol [20:00] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Nice seeing you all smile But I have to go. Work, you know ..(: [20:00] <SoonerGryffindor> not trying to get off topic, but its nice that the trio's wands seem to be compatible [20:00] <SoonerGryffindor> bye wagga [20:00] *** SillyPutty has quit [Bye] [20:00] *** WaggaWaggaWerewolf has quit [Bye] [20:01] <SoonerGryffindor> and compliment each toher so well [20:01] *** JillianS642 has quit [Bye] [20:01] <Aislinn> bye wagga! [20:01] <magicmeg8> hmm. well, perhaps dragon heartstring would be associated with strength? [20:01] <fawkes28> that makes them stronger [20:01] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> JK has suggested there is a reason each of them have the wands they do - the wood, the cores - they all relate somehow [20:01] <Poet> Funny [20:01] <sassyseahawk> arnt we going to learn more about that in book 7? [20:01] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I can't recall how [20:01] <Mokey> bye wagga [20:01] *** JillianS642 has joined #lounge [20:02] <Angelyka13> she said in NYC that wand relationships will be explained in book 7 [20:02] <JillianS642> Well, that was a lovely crash. [20:02] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> is it alchemical? [20:02] <sassyseahawk> right [20:02] <futureweasley> the site says it's a Celtic thing [20:02] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Mokey? Do you know? [20:02] *** Rebekia has joined #lounge [20:02] <Rebekia> hey potterheads [20:02] <erisedfororrim> i've just checked out a celtc site [20:02] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Hi Rebekia [20:02] <Aislinn> thanks for checking future [20:02] <futureweasley> and she used the hi Rebekia [20:02] <JillianS642> I heard that it is celtic as well, unfortunately, when I tried looking up the info, Firefox borked on me. [20:02] *** LillyLovegood has quit [Bye] [20:03] <Whisperwing> Aren't we Potter patsies this week? [20:03] <erisedfororrim> they say it depends on the type of vine [20:03] <Mokey> thanks for checking FW [20:03] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [20:03] <Rebekia> Debbie!!! biggrin [20:03] <SoonerGryffindor> hey debbie!!! [20:03] <DumbleDebbie> Hiya! smile [20:03] <SoonerGryffindor> miss ya in the RG [20:03] <DumbleDebbie> yeah u2 [20:03] <Poet> What were your reactions to Jo's answer to what Hermione would see in the Mirror of Erised? [Hermione would see the trio “alive and unscathed and Voldemort finished” in the Mirror of Erised. She would also see herself intertwined with a certain person.] [20:03] <DumbleDebbie> my new one is slow so far [20:03] <futureweasley> the writeup is pretty interesting about wands on www.jkrowling.com. It's under "Extra Stuff" [20:03] <erisedfororrim> if it's grape then it's fertility, inspiration, prosperity and binding [20:04] <futureweasley> I gasped audibly! [20:04] <DumbleDebbie> LOL! [20:04] <Poet> Isn't what we'd all want to see in the mirror ;) [20:04] <magicmeg8> haha. [20:04] <fawkes28> i think it shows how important this battle with voldemort is to her [20:04] <Rebekia> Poet-- I didn't like her response...it seems very romantic and whimiscal for hermione, but I mean i don't blame her seeing Harry and Ron alive.... [20:04] <erisedfororrim> but if it's thistle then it's more fitting - courage, protection adn strngth [20:04] <Aislinn> well, intertwined is a nice segue from vinewood biggrin [20:04] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Obviously Ron would be the intertwined - I thing she values her friendship above most everything else [20:04] <magicmeg8> and the importance of her friends. [20:04] <fawkes28> and that she is commited to harry [20:04] <Mokey> well we all know who that certian someone is [20:04] <Mokey> thanks for the link FW [20:04] <JillianS642> I agree Poet - too much what we'd all like to see. [20:04] <futureweasley> you are welcome! [20:04] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I think her priorities even shift throughout [20:04] <magicmeg8> I agree, gfab [20:05] <futureweasley> I'd want to see myself and my friends safe, and if the arms of someone I loved [20:05] <DumbleDebbie> our friend noticed a possible slip by Jo in the question on the 2nd night about who she'd like to dine with [20:05] <magicmeg8> she's not as preoccupied with academics -- she can see past the little things. [20:05] <Segonku> I think she actually said "closely entwined" [20:05] *** LillyLovegood has joined #lounge [20:05] * SoonerGryffindor is really hoping that we finally get to see Hermione get her wishes in book 7 [20:05] <JillianS642> (Aislinn: particularly since vine carving that's on her wand makes it good for love charms, apparently) [20:05] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> She'll always be academic, but if it came down to it, she'd choose to help a friend than get a good grade [20:05] <DumbleDebbie> she said the trio and then hesitated at naming DD 'because I know who is dead" [20:05] <Whisperwing> I have a page loaded that talks about sacred trees of the Celts.... [20:05] <Poet> Book 4 had just come out when I started to read the series, so I'd always imagined that Ron and Hermione would become a couple eventually. [20:05] <sassyseahawk> i think maybe part of the entwined was the saftey and comfort she wants [20:05] *** Professor_Nigellus has quit [Bye] [20:05] <SoonerGryffindor> that is interesting Debbie [20:05] <Poet> I'm surprised that even by the end of Book 6 they aren't quite yet together, but getting there. [20:05] <futureweasley> me too, Sooner! [20:06] <Aislinn> ooh, good point jillian [20:06] <Whisperwing> So in other words no one had better try depriving Hermione of her wedding night? [20:06] <futureweasley> is it totally cheesy that I am routing for R/Hr to work out? [20:06] <Segonku> I agree sassy [20:06] *** erisedfororrim has quit [Bye] [20:06] <SoonerGryffindor> not cheesy at all [20:06] <Whisperwing> Unless they want to see her go Elizabeth Swann on them.... [20:06] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, it could mean that she knows they'll survive or it could mean that she knows who is dead *now* (unlike the DD's not dead crowd) [20:06] <futureweasley> the mirror is just so important [20:06] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> lol yes future [20:06] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> smile [20:06] <SoonerGryffindor> I guess the specualtaion will keep going till the last page of the last book is read [20:07] <futureweasley> and I HATED that JKR introduces that to us when Hermione was conveniently "on holiday" and away from Hogwarts [20:07] <fawkes28> i agree future about the mirror [20:07] <JillianS642> And then there'd better be another book, Sooner! [20:07] <JillianS642> ;) [20:07] <DumbleDebbie> and after ;) [20:07] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [20:07] <LillyLovegood> Hi [20:07] <SoonerGryffindor> I also wonder what Hermione would have seen in the mirror in SS [20:07] <Poet> hmm [20:07] <fawkes28> passing her exams [20:07] <futureweasley> maybe herself with friends [20:07] <DumbleDebbie> 12 OWLS [20:07] <futureweasley> like, girlfriends [20:07] <SoonerGryffindor> lol DD [20:08] <SoonerGryffindor> you guys are probably right [20:08] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Probably being able to take every subject and exceed in all [20:08] <Whisperwing> Maybe just herself with smaller front teeth though [20:08] <JillianS642> I would actually be more curious to see if what Ron wanted has changed over the years. [20:08] <sassyseahawk> well it was fun guys, but i am getting a lot og calls and work and have to go! [20:08] <JillianS642> Do deepest desires develop? [20:08] <futureweasley> fitting in AND being academically superior...the best of both worlds [20:08] <SoonerGryffindor> bye sassy [20:08] <Aislinn> bye sassy [20:08] <sassyseahawk> of** [20:08] <Mokey> bye sassy [20:08] <sassyseahawk> bye! [20:08] <futureweasley> bye sassy [20:08] *** sassyseahawk has quit [Bye] [20:08] <Poet> I think perhaps the relationships are partially a necessity because Jo only intends to do 7 books and needs to let us know Hermione and the other characters' endings. [20:09] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Hermione is moderately predictable for the first two books [20:09] <DumbleDebbie> I don't think Hermione was content enough with herself in SS to only see a slightly modified self [20:09] <Poet> Hermione received 10 "Outstandings" on her O.W.L.s, yet received only an "Exceed Expectations" at Defence Against the Dark Arts. This certainly isn't for lack of trying. Does she simply have a deficiency when it comes to this one type of practical magic? [20:09] <Angelyka13> would he still see what he saw before... considering that most of it has "in a way"occurred [20:09] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> it's only after that, that she starts surprising us greatly [20:09] <Mokey> It's been nice chatting everybody, I'm off! [20:09] <Mokey> byes [20:09] <CarpeDiem> See ya Mokey! [20:09] <DumbleDebbie> bye [20:09] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> night Mokey [20:09] *** Mokey has quit [Bye] [20:09] <magicmeg8> You know, I was surprised at that fact, Poet [20:09] <futureweasley> I don't know if I'd call it deficiency [20:09] <Whisperwing> Um, what's Ron's new wand made of again? [20:09] <JillianS642> Perhaps she's not as good at thinking on her feet? [20:09] <Poet> Well it shows us that even Hermione isn't perfect [20:10] <JillianS642> But then, she came up with those birds pretty quickly. [20:10] <LillyLovegood> does anybody isten to the podcast? [20:10] <magicmeg8> I think her boggart of failing was too much for her to handle. [20:10] <futureweasley> I think she might just be slightly less secure about DADA [20:10] <Whisperwing> Yes [20:10] <Whisperwing> wee Melis is keeping Mootchka! [20:10] <DumbleDebbie> maybe having been muggle-born she knows more to be afraid of, like how badly people can get hurt [20:10] <Poet> Jo patterned Hermione as a charactered version of herself at age 11. [20:10] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> So Meg, do you think her boggart has changed over time? [20:10] <Aislinn> she does seem to be more cautious about it [20:10] <Segonku> exceeds expectations is not a deficiency, she's just not perfect [20:10] <magicmeg8> I think so, GFAB [20:10] <DumbleDebbie> wizarding kids bounce, muggles, in general, don't [20:10] <Angelyka13> well... besides the DA did they ever receive hands on practice? [20:10] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> me too [20:10] <SoonerGryffindor> I love the fact that Hermione is not perfect [20:10] <futureweasley> me too Sooner [20:10] <CarpeDiem> I wonder if the fact that this exam was more practical and not something you could exactly have answers prepared for. Maybe she just had a bad day? [20:10] <SoonerGryffindor> It makes her that much more believeable in the end [20:11] <Segonku> Didn't perfect Percy get all outstandings? [20:11] <JillianS642> Hmm, perhaps she also couldn't get an "O" because that's what Harry did and he made a patronus - he just took the difficulty too far? [20:11] <fawkes28> i dont think her heart is in DADA [20:11] <SoonerGryffindor> well, Hermione's strength is in her intelligence and the fact that she prepares [20:11] <Poet> It also shows us that Hermione is vulnerable to the Dark Arts - not that she'd turn bad, but that she might not satnd as well against Death Eaters in a fight. [20:11] *** LillyLovegood has quit [Bye] [20:11] <futureweasley> I don't know Segonku...but I wouldn't be surprised if he did. He's Hermione's academic idol [20:11] <SoonerGryffindor> but some things (like DADA) just aren't going to be her best subject [20:11] <magicmeg8> Just as her priorities have changed, so have her fears -- and i think failure has changed from that of academic to more real-world [20:11] <JillianS642> I don't know, Segonku, but I think he got all his O-levels (which is Acceptable and better) [20:11] <DumbleDebbie> hard to prepare for the unexpected ehSooner? [20:11] <Angelyka13> ... didn't she acknowledge that she was weaker in DA to Harry when she asked him to help the others with the DA [20:11] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes - S/G - over time, though, she has shown she has more than book smarts - that wasn't too apparent in the first two books [20:12] <SoonerGryffindor> yes DD [20:12] <CarpeDiem> Jillian I was thinking that too. If Harry's wonderful performance didn't sway the examiners a bit? [20:12] <Poet> They had the Dumbledores Army group to help them practice. [20:12] <futureweasley> especially when you have Umbridge teaching it...that was the OWL year, and I think that shook Hermione's confidence on the subject [20:12] <fawkes28> i think she is only in this war because of her she seems like a pacifist [20:12] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> She seemed book smart, but panicky in real life situations [20:12] <Aislinn> she did angel, but she was still able to produce a patronus [20:12] <fawkes28> maybe if they had lupin for 6 years she would be better [20:12] <Poet> And it makes Harry's Outstanding stand out more if Hermione did not receive one. [20:12] <SoonerGryffindor> when you think about it, an E in DADA with all of the sub-par teachers they had all those years is pretty good [20:13] <Aislinn> that's a good point, poet [20:13] <futureweasley> yes, Poet...I agree [20:13] <magicmeg8> that's a good point, poet, i never thought about that. it really highlighted him [20:13] <JillianS642> Hmm, maybe it was that they had a horrible book to learn from, so she couldn't get everything she needed to get an EE? [20:13] <Aislinn> right sooner [20:13] <Angelyka13> I think it just shows where her weakness is... and where the boys help make her stronger. [20:13] <JillianS642> I mean, O! Eep. [20:13] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [20:13] <Poet> I love the fact that Hermione is the one that came up with the idea of Harry tutoring others in DADA [20:13] <JillianS642> excellent point Angelyka [20:14] <SoonerGryffindor> I think JKR had to give Hermione that one E to make her human, and to make Harry stand out as best in class at DADA [20:14] <Angelyka13> if she were perfect... how could we really say the three of them make a perfect group... she could be one alone. [20:14] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> yes - Poet - that was great [20:14] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> and surprising [20:14] <futureweasley> I thought that was a great idea [20:14] <JillianS642> bang-on, Angelyka. [20:14] <SoonerGryffindor> besides, we dont want her to be too much like Percy [20:14] <CarpeDiem> Yep, Harry is far to modest to have thought of it himself. It took quite a bit of prodding even after the idea to get him to do it! [20:14] <futureweasley> Defense Association? [20:14] <Poet> hmm [20:14] <DumbleDebbie> it's good for her to be aware that she's not perfect as well, makes her work harder IMO [20:14] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> not that she thought of it, but more she thought it was a good idea because it was outside the rules [20:14] <JillianS642> I like that, as well, poet. She's admitting she needs help - which may be hard for her. [20:14] <Expelliarmas> DADA calls for a certain amount of creativity and spontaneity, while Hermione is very smart she's also very book depenant [20:14] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree DD [20:15] <Expelliarmas> *dependent [20:15] <Poet> Ah, good point about not having an acceptable book Jillian [20:15] <Poet> Hermione has grown and matured tremendously over the course of the series. Is there anything in particular that you find very different about her now than at the beginning? [20:15] <futureweasley> I think Hermione reads and retains what she reads very well...she's got a seriously large brain [20:15] <Whisperwing> Once you know everything you could possibly need to know, you can get creative with what you know. [20:15] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> She is expel, but she becomes less book smart and more instinctual/practical - I think she's learned this from the boys [20:15] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, the recently mentioned rule breaking [20:16] <fawkes28> she learns that books and cleverness arent as important as friendship [20:16] <Aislinn> I think that she is much more balanced as a person now than she was early on [20:16] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I think they have each learned from each others' strengths and have been able to apply them [20:16] <Angelyka13> she has learned to relate to others. [20:16] <futureweasley> her inability to fire accurately under pressure [20:16] <DumbleDebbie> and more spontaneous, rather than having to meticulously plan everything [20:16] <Aislinn> right ginbot [20:16] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> the strengths to themselves [20:16] <futureweasley> i.e. Umbridge and the Centaurs [20:16] <Poet> Hermione can still be a bit bossy at times. She still remind us or Ron of Mrs. Weasley at times ;) [20:16] <magicmeg8> I think she understands now that being admonished is not the end of the world. [20:16] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> She learned strategy from Ron and bravery from Harry [20:16] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Ais, she is definitely more balanced now [20:16] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, that was a nice bit of thinking on her feet (Umb & centaurs) [20:16] <CarpeDiem> I think her way of approaching problems and understanding the importance of assistance from others has made her grow considerablly. Also, understanding that not everything can be learned from books. [20:16] <fawkes28> alright got to go nice chatting with you lot smile [20:17] <futureweasley> bye Kelly [20:17] <CarpeDiem> Bye Fawkes! [20:17] <SoonerGryffindor> bye fawkes [20:17] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Bye Fawkes [20:17] <Aislinn> bye fawkes [20:17] <futureweasley> thanks for joining...it's been fun! [20:17] <Whisperwing> That's her appeal to him though, even if he doesn't consciously realize it. [20:17] <DumbleDebbie> bye [20:17] *** fawkes28 has quit [Bye] [20:17] <Aislinn> good point, whisper - she probably does remind him of dear old mum [20:17] <Poet> She would rather follow Harry and help him than follow the standard rules set up for them at Hogwarts [20:17] <Angelyka13> well... the centaur idea wasnt quite so great... she didnt really think it through (odd for her) [20:17] <futureweasley> I don't think she was thinking on her feet at all...she got them all in a very dangerous situation [20:17] <Poet> I imagine that having Umbridge in the school their 5th year helped Hermione to get over her need to always follow rules. [20:17] <magicmeg8> yeah, i agree angelyka [20:18] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes P - and that's what sets her as a Gryff more than an R/C [20:18] <Expelliarmas> hermione is more willing to give up the safety of hogwarts to help out in the bigger cause [20:18] <Aislinn> the idea was good - but not spouting it out to the centaurs [20:18] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, I suppose she did miss that one little loophole in her logic blushing [20:18] <JillianS642> As much as she has changed, I still think she is very, very similar to the girl who first crossed the lake. She a bit more balanced but she still does best at school and whils she may break the rules some, she's still essentially obedient [20:18] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> She knows to warp the rules when it makes sense to do so [20:18] <SoonerGryffindor> so Hermione is also human because she can let her heart sometimes overcome her common sense [20:18] <futureweasley> good theory...poor execution [20:18] <Aislinn> if she hadn't told them why she did it, they wouldn't have gotten so mad at her [20:18] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that may also be a result of hanging with Harry and Ron for the last few years [20:18] <Poet> Hermione has learned how to think for herself which goes along nicely with the overall theme of "choice" in the series. [20:18] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yep - S/G - but she's very good at reeling her emotions in to take action [20:19] <magicmeg8> yeah, i agree jillian -- she didn't do, like, a 180 or something -- which i think speaks to her characterization by JKR [20:19] <futureweasley> they have been a bad influence on her [20:19] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> another great point, P [20:19] <Poet> I think Hermione has learned that doing what is right and following the rules is not the same thing. [20:19] <futureweasley> lol [20:19] <Expelliarmas> well, punching out Malfoy was good theory and execution! [20:19] <JillianS642> yes, perhaps that was the key lesson, Poet. [20:19] <Aislinn> excellent poet! [20:19] <JillianS642> heheh [20:19] <magicmeg8> haha, i was SO surprised by that, expel [20:19] <DumbleDebbie> LOL Exp! [20:19] <SoonerGryffindor> she has always been basically the same person, but like with most of us, she is just becoming more the person she had the potential to be [20:19] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Expie [20:20] *** Whisperwing has quit [Bye] [20:20] <Angelyka13> (aka a gryffindor) [20:20] <Aislinn> yes, sooner - really coming into herself [20:20] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> absolutely S/G [20:20] <futureweasley> she's found herself and is comfortable with her role in the trio [20:20] <magicmeg8> i was like, "No way!" that was a definite step in her maturity [20:20] <CarpeDiem> Do you think Hermione's run-in with the Basilisk changed her in any way? I see the trio really starting to bond as I reread book 3. [20:20] <SoonerGryffindor> very wel put FW [20:20] <futureweasley> yes Aislinn...exactly my thoughts [20:20] <Aislinn> ooh, good question, carpe [20:20] <Expelliarmas> there is a difference between when she's angry and when she's afraid [20:20] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> definitely CD [20:20] <Poet> Yes, Hermione still having some lapses in judgement. Thankfully it worked out well with the centaurs. [20:20] <Rebekia> Okay I'm coming into this late so...what are we talking about? [20:20] <DumbleDebbie> when she's angry, she's brilliant [20:20] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I think with every scrape they've encountered, their bond grows stronger [20:20] <magicmeg8> Hmm. Maybe Carpe -- maybe because she couldn't help her counterparts at all? [20:20] <SoonerGryffindor> not sure, still laughing over Expie's comment about her punching Draco [20:21] <Aislinn> I think the boys recognized how much they missed her when she was petrified [20:21] <Expelliarmas> Rebekia, Hermione is our topic [20:21] <futureweasley> when she's angry, I see her as dangerous [20:21] <Aislinn> and it helped solidify the relationship even more [20:21] <DumbleDebbie> and how she's grown [20:21] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> lol - definitely Future [20:21] <CarpeDiem> Aislinn - exactly! [20:21] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, like don't make her mad cause she'll come after you with attacking birds [20:21] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> she's got quite the temper when she wants [20:21] <Rebekia> Yeah I agree Future...when she gets a fire under her she can be viscious. Take a note of how she lashed out at Ron [20:21] <Aislinn> she does have a sharp, almost vindictive streak [20:21] <SoonerGryffindor> smile [20:22] <SoonerGryffindor> I think most of us women can relate to that [20:22] <futureweasley> yeah, what was that oppugo thing all about? [20:22] <Poet> Snape calls Hermione a show-off. Can you recall some incidences when this might be considered true? [20:22] <CarpeDiem> lol SG. Yep, it's amazing to see that. It's not often Hermione will get upset to the point of retaliation, but when she does....watch out!! [20:22] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Actually, that reaction from her really surprised me [20:22] <futureweasley> that was scary [20:22] *** LJ has quit [Bye] [20:22] <futureweasley> Wingardium Leviosa [20:22] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> it was almost done for comedic effect but I found it totally out of character [20:22] *** LJ has joined #lounge [20:22] <DumbleDebbie> LOL! H___ hath no fury, Sooner? [20:22] <futureweasley> major showing off there [20:23] <magicmeg8> You know, I don't know if she strives to be a show-off, though. i think she's so smart that she often becomes teacher's pet [20:23] <Expelliarmas> i don't think she's a show-off; if he asks a question and she knows the answer, then call on her--Clearly, Hermione knows the answer [20:23] <SoonerGryffindor> lol DD [20:23] *** Rebekia has quit [Bye] [20:23] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I agree meg - I don't think she sees it as showing off [20:23] <CarpeDiem> GfaB - it was at that point that I knew for sure that she fancied ron. I don't see her as the jealous type, not at all but this proved it without a doubt. [20:23] <Poet> Yes Carpe. It would be easy for a friendship to fall apart after a few years without a second incident to help solidify the friendship. [20:23] <Segonku> Yep, Hermione shows off because she needs approval big time [20:23] <Aislinn> she does like to be recognized for outstanding performance, but then, who doesn't? [20:23] <futureweasley> I think she comes off as a showoff because she catches on rather quickly (in most instances) [20:23] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> at the same time, I think she's aloof to the fact others might see her as such [20:23] <futureweasley> she's quick to help out others, though [20:23] <LJ> There was the time in HBP where she basically said "I told you so" about the HBP - can't remember exactly what she said though... [20:24] *** Poet has quit [Bye] [20:24] <SoonerGryffindor> I think there is the underlying insecurity that causes her to do that from time to time [20:24] *** Rebekia has joined #lounge [20:24] <futureweasley> that's what's interesting about her [20:24] <SoonerGryffindor> I know I have been guilty of that myself from time to time [20:24] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> it's almost a compulsion for her when she knows something she wants to prove it [20:24] <magicmeg8> true. she's not that good at knowing when to back off, GFAB [20:24] <Aislinn> yes laurie [20:24] <Expelliarmas> well, Harry and Ron have quidditch to distinguish themselves; Hermione isn't sporty so how's she going to do it? [20:24] <futureweasley> she wants to know it all and know it best, but is always willing to put her knowledge out of the table [20:24] *** Poet has joined #lounge [20:24] <Angelyka13> snape only calls her that b/c she isnt in his house. If she were a Slytherin he would be loving it [20:24] *** mode/#lounge [+o Poet] by Snuffles [20:24] <SoonerGryffindor> it is what she is best at and where she gets her self-esteem [20:24] <Rebekia> I sympathize with Hermione. If someone says I don't know something...I'm determined to prove them wrong. [20:24] <futureweasley> no way, she's a "mudblood" [20:24] <Poet> hmm [20:24] <Expelliarmas> Snape does bait Hermione a bit, doesn't he? [20:25] <futureweasley> Snape baits everybody [20:25] <SoonerGryffindor> and FW also brings up a good point.... she has a blood bias to fight as well [20:25] <Aislinn> absolutely expie - the greasy git [20:25] <Angelyka13> i meant if she fit all "requirements" to be a slytherin [20:25] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> yep - Snape definitely undermines any confidence she has in herself, but..... [20:25] <Poet> Hermione often approaches answers in class with great enthusiasm and confidence. [20:25] <Expelliarmas> lo [20:25] <Expelliarmas> l [20:25] * SoonerGryffindor is going to pout if ppl start Snape bashing [20:25] <Poet> With her friends she seems more careful. [20:25] <CarpeDiem> Snape is one to find and push buttons very easy. It's his ability to read minds I bet. I wonder if coming across as a show-off has bothered her since fiorst year? [20:25] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> to her credit, she just plugs on despite the hurt feelings [20:25] <Aislinn> lol [20:25] <magicmeg8> That's true poet - she COULD be a great asset to teachers, if all of them allowed her to be. [20:25] <Poet> More careful in making sure she doesn't come off as a know-it-all [20:25] <futureweasley> this isn't the place for that (at the present time) Sooner...don't worry [20:26] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [20:26] <Angelyka13> i dont think she is a showoff in class. But sometimes the way she comes off correcting students sometimes is a bit haughty [20:26] <Expelliarmas> I thought Snape as a kid was probably "an insufferable little know it all"; takes one to know one [20:26] <futureweasley> Snape calls her a "silly girl" too [20:26] <Aislinn> yes, expie, I completely agree with that [20:26] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, I think that she works hard for Snae [20:26] <DumbleDebbie> good point Expel. [20:26] <SoonerGryffindor> *Snape [20:26] <futureweasley> he has her pegged as one who needs kudos from teachers [20:26] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I think, though Angel - she wants others to do as well as she does [20:26] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I don't really see her as competing with anyone but herself [20:27] <Poet> There has to be a bit of pressure to always be right I imagine. [20:27] <futureweasley> good point GFAB [20:27] <Expelliarmas> but Hermione isn't just doing well for herself; she gets house points for being right too [20:27] <Poet> You start to develop a reputation and you don't want to let your teachers down. [20:27] <Angelyka13> no.. i just find "in my head the voice I hear her using" sounds a littly up there when pointing things out to harry and ron ron especially but that could be her crushin on him too [20:27] <CarpeDiem> She also may be "that kind of student" I know in some subjects, being part of a lecture or discussion helps me understand that much better. It may be a learning aid for her. [20:27] <Poet> Yes Ginny - it IS a competition with herself - great point [20:27] <futureweasley> she fights with herself and is afraid of herself...she is the most "internal" character ever written...constant wars that rarely reach the surface [20:28] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> ooh - good Future [20:28] <Aislinn> I think its kind of sad that Hermione doesn't seem to get acknowledgement for all the points she earns her house [20:28] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> absolutely right [20:28] <Angelyka13> so true future [20:28] <Aislinn> when the boys win a game, there is major praise, but they just seem to take her for granted [20:28] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> hmmm - Aislinn - I don't think she minds [20:28] <DumbleDebbie> but that's typical of brainy kids in Muggle schools a lot too, there is sometimes a stigma attached with being smart [20:28] <Aislinn> I don't think she does either, but its still kind of unfair [20:29] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I think she's very team oriented, but because she comes across wrong with her peers (know it all and such) she has a difficult conveying that message to those not close to her [20:29] <CarpeDiem> Aislinn - good point. It's like that at most schools though, right? The football team gets the spotlight, not the honor roll. [20:29] <JillianS642> whether she minds or not, it's very indicative of school experiences - all the glory to the athletes, nothing to the brains. [20:29] <Expelliarmas> well, there's no Heisman award for the college geeks; so it's not unusual for the brainies to be ignored [20:29] <Aislinn> absolutely, carpe [20:29] <magicmeg8> you know, snape says she's and INSUFFERABLE know-it-all, but i wouldn't say that. she's definitely not insufferable. [20:29] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Expie [20:29] <Angelyka13> for some reason i think McGonagal praises her... after the whole 3rd book.. I think they have more interactions on the side [20:29] <Poet> Thank goodness the teachers don't seem to hold back points from her just because she tends to get a lot for academic reasons. [20:29] <futureweasley> well, Megs, it takes one to know one, right? [20:29] <futureweasley> lol [20:30] <Aislinn> she certainly supports her - she went to bat to get her the time turner [20:30] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> exactly Meg - she's not insufferable [20:30] *** riefvly has quit [Bye] [20:30] <Expelliarmas> the teachers, other than Snape, reward Hermione for her academic prowess [20:30] <DumbleDebbie> we used to have a cheer at Hopkins "that's alright, that's ok, you're going to work for us someday" biggrin [20:30] <Poet> hmm [20:30] <Expelliarmas> lol! [20:30] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [20:30] <Rebekia> lol!! [20:30] <JillianS642> that's brilliant, dd!!! [20:30] <Angelyka13> bring it on? [20:30] <Angelyka13> no wait that was ... pump our gas someday [20:30] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, it was fun [20:30] <DumbleDebbie> oooh, even better [20:31] <JillianS642> I think hermione is most a "know-it-all" when she doesn't explain things to other people (as Ron as pointed out time and again) [20:31] <magicmeg8> ah, yes, good point jillian! [20:31] <Rebekia> How do you think Hermione will fair in the last book. She seems to be up to the very last moment and than shy off for the H/V to fight. [20:31] <Expelliarmas> but she has to explain things, or we'd never know what was happening [20:31] <Aislinn> yes she does fly off to the library a lot without explaining why [20:31] <futureweasley> right, Jillian...or when she talks over people's heads [20:31] <magicmeg8> and i think also when she's self-conscious [20:31] <Angelyka13> yeah. like when she just up and leaves to research on her own [20:31] <Rebekia> But if V gets in the way of Ron....I can see her kicking into gear really quick [20:31] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Yes - Jilian - probably; I think, though, she doesn't *disclose* until something is fully formed in her mind [20:32] <futureweasley> she has to have all the puzzle pieces right in order before she acts [20:32] <DumbleDebbie> do you think that secrecy is a fear of being wrong? [20:32] <JillianS642> then again, maybe I"m just too impatient because I want to know what she knows? ;-) [20:32] <Poet> Is Hermione going to play an important role in the Horcrux hunt? If so, in what way? [20:32] <Expelliarmas> if hermione explained why she was going to the library all the time, the books would only be a third as long, not much fun there [20:32] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> She doesn't gradually release informtion - that is until her concept/idea is fully logically formed and accurate [20:32] <DumbleDebbie> research! [20:32] <JillianS642> I think she'll be the standard researcher. [20:33] <futureweasley> she and Bill will work together to find ways to break the curses surrounding the remaining horcri [20:33] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that her research abilities are going to be her most important contribution [20:33] <JillianS642> Still, I hope that she can use all this knowledge she's accumulated to figure out how to destroy the horcruxes, not just how to find them [20:33] <CarpeDiem> Hermione is the research queen. If Harry has clues or assumptions she will be the one to put those pieces together for him - to solidify themm wiutth facts. [20:33] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> for example - the discovery that the monster was the basilisk [20:33] <Expelliarmas> she'll definitely be needed as well as her relationship to Krum [20:33] <DumbleDebbie> whatever each of them do to help, I would think their roles will play to their strengths [20:33] <JillianS642> It's Ron who I'm more worried about - what can he contribute compared to hermione and harry? [20:33] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> yep - right CD [20:33] <Poet> I think Hermione is going to remember things about the founders that will be important for them to help them find the locations of some of the horcruxes. [20:33] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree DD [20:33] <DumbleDebbie> Ron's the master stratagist [20:34] <DumbleDebbie> and I can't spell [20:34] <CarpeDiem> Hermione is also one to come up with abstract solutions to problems. Remember polyjuice? [20:34] <SoonerGryffindor> Hermione will provide the starting point I bet [20:34] <JillianS642> if they don't go back to school (and I still think they will, just because I like it there), how will she research? [20:34] <magicmeg8> i agree sooner. [20:34] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I think so too, P, and she'll likely think to consult the paintings and ghosts probably - if she feels they're reliable [20:34] <Poet> They will likely be away from Hogwarts, so will have to go off the knowledge they've already gained. [20:34] <SoonerGryffindor> I still think she is the one who will figure out RAB forst [20:34] <SoonerGryffindor> *first [20:34] <JillianS642> are there libraries in Diagon Alley? WIll they spend Harry's fortune on Amazon [20:34] <DumbleDebbie> There must be libraries in the wizarding world [20:34] <CarpeDiem> lol Jillian smile [20:34] <Expelliarmas> hermione seems to have access to all sorts of books so she'll find some even if not at hogwarts [20:34] <futureweasley> Hermione's sheer nerve and knowledge will be invaluable (as they always have been). I don't really see her "role" changing much [20:35] <Poet> Also, you'll need a woman to help them not get lost ;) [20:35] <SoonerGryffindor> well, since she prolly won't use google, there must be another library somewhere [20:35] <Angelyka13> i think she already has most of the books in her mind... or at least the knowledge of what book to search [20:35] <Aislinn> lol poet [20:35] <Expelliarmas> lol poet [20:35] <SoonerGryffindor> lol poet [20:35] <DumbleDebbie> how many history books has Hermione collected over the years? that might be a good resourse right there [20:35] <futureweasley> I foresee a whole lot of "Oh, move OVER" in book 7 [20:35] <magicmeg8> I think hermione's goign to be just really resourceful in this one - pulling out random, but useful info. [20:35] <futureweasley> coming from Hermione [20:35] <Segonku> Crookshanks could come in handy, too, if they get lost [20:35] <Aislinn> yeah, I could see that FW [20:35] <JillianS642> Lol Poet! I thought I was the only female navigator for all men! [20:36] <magicmeg8> biggrin [20:36] <Poet> It's always great to have three people together when going off on trips, so if one gets hurt, one can go for help and the other stay with the injured person. [20:36] <JillianS642> lol, future! [20:36] <DumbleDebbie> Poet, has this happened to you often? [20:36] <CarpeDiem> Do the boys appreciate her enough? She helps them more than they realize I think. Do you think she has issues with that? [20:36] <DumbleDebbie> goodness gracious! [20:36] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> *g keeps shut b/c she's the only female here w/man card, prolly* [20:36] *** Twilight66 has joined #lounge [20:36] <SoonerGryffindor> Poor Hermione, I really feel for her having to keep both Ron and Harry in line in book 7 [20:36] <Expelliarmas> in book 2 they definitely missed her presence [20:36] <Aislinn> I think they have all learned to appreciate each other's qualities carpe [20:37] <Poet> So Hermionne with her brains will remember what to do, and Harry with his superior DADA abilities may be the one to pull the actions off perhaps. [20:37] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I do think she is somewhat taken for granted [20:37] <Aislinn> and I think they will really gel them together for effective horcrux hunting in the next book [20:37] <DumbleDebbie> maybe Ginny will find a way to involve herself, and she can help keep the boys in line [20:37] <futureweasley> definitely GFAB [20:37] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> prime example - the Yule Ball [20:37] <SoonerGryffindor> I hope so DD [20:37] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> and they actually expect her to guide them [20:37] <futureweasley> I can't even talk about the Yule Ball [20:37] <Expelliarmas> how about the friendship between Ginny and Hermione? Interesting it was Hermione who told Ginny how to get Harry's attention [20:37] <futureweasley> it's too upsetting [20:37] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> and share homework lol [20:37] <SoonerGryffindor> I think they all 3 will cross over into each other's strengths in 7 [20:38] <Poet> Yes, with all they need to accomplish in Book 7 it will be great to have Hermione around to help speed up the proces.s [20:38] <Twilight66> I like that Ginny and Hermione have always had sort of a on the side friendship [20:38] <futureweasley> yes, me too Twilight [20:38] <Aislinn> its a lot like solving a puzzle and she will be a great asset for that [20:38] <DumbleDebbie> They seem to be fairly good friends, good enough that Hermione knew who Ginny was dating when Ron didn't [20:38] <Rebekia> yes, though I've always connected with Hermione more [20:38] <Twilight66> I think it will make it easier when Harry and Ginny can finally be together [20:38] <SoonerGryffindor> yes it goes to show that she doesn't have to be the only girl and doesn't feel threatened by Ginny [20:38] <Rebekia> Hermione is awkward, smart, pretty but a beauty that's rarely noticed unless she wants it to be..Ginny is pretty popular [20:39] <Twilight66> I think Ginny and Hermione makes more sense than Hermione and Lavendar or Pavarti [20:39] <Twilight66> They are both down to earth [20:39] <DumbleDebbie> they're both magical powerhouses [20:39] <Expelliarmas> hermione would likely kill lavendar or parvarti [20:39] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> neither Ginny nor Hermione are girly-girls [20:39] <JillianS642> definitely, Twilight [20:39] <DumbleDebbie> LOL expel [20:39] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> yes DD [20:39] <Twilight66> exactly GFAB [20:39] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> and powerhouses in otherways [20:39] <Poet> With only one book left in the series, what do you see as Hermione's primary qualities thus far? [20:40] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> bravery, gumption [20:40] <JillianS642> So, perhaps Ginny will be able to sneak the trio info from Hogwarts? [20:40] <DumbleDebbie> problem solving skills, logic [20:40] <Rebekia> Determination [20:40] <JillianS642> intelligence [20:40] <Twilight66> Self confidence [20:40] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I'm wondering, though, if that might upset the...er.... [20:40] <CarpeDiem> booksmarts, logic, and problem-solving. [20:40] <SoonerGryffindor> very good answers everyone [20:40] <Expelliarmas> i don't think ginny will have to sneak info, the trio should be welcome at hogwarts [20:40] <Poet> hmm [20:40] <futureweasley> logic and intellect...humility and bravery [20:40] <JillianS642> independence ... not always in a good way though. [20:40] <Aislinn> intelligence, a strong sense of social justice [20:40] <Aislinn> loyalty [20:40] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> there's a power in 3 [20:40] <Segonku> She's observant as well as logical and smart [20:40] <futureweasley> loyalty...good Aislin [20:40] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> is there magical power in 4? [20:40] <SoonerGryffindor> makes you wonder if her work with SPEW will factor in as well [20:40] <Expelliarmas> fierce loyalty [20:40] <magicmeg8> good point, segonku [20:41] <DumbleDebbie> 4 is the number of love [20:41] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> 3 = pyramid [20:41] <CarpeDiem> So will it be just the trio or will Ginny join them for the Horcrux hunt? [20:41] <Rebekia> OOooooh nice point DD [20:41] <Rebekia> Ginny Makes 4 [20:41] <DumbleDebbie> I hope ginny joins [20:41] <Expelliarmas> i think it's too late for ginny to join the trio [20:41] <futureweasley> no Ginny...never going to happen [20:41] <JillianS642> I think it's too late, as well. [20:41] <Poet> She's vocal [20:41] <Expelliarmas> too late for a quartet [20:41] <JillianS642> Molly would kill them. [20:41] <DumbleDebbie> not "the trio" but the hunt and the fight [20:41] <futureweasley> she'll help in some way, but Molly isn't going to let her go [20:41] <Angelyka13> I don't see Ginny as pivitol s the other 3 at the end [20:41] <Rebekia> She'll be in the fight...trust me [20:42] <JillianS642> vocal - yeah, I like that one. [20:42] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> hmm - I'm not so sure - both Ron and Harry would not treat Ginny as an equal - they are both too protective of her [20:42] <Poet> She wants to win and never gives up. [20:42] <CarpeDiem> lol too true I doubt Molly, Harry, or Ron would allow Ginny to get too involved smile [20:42] <futureweasley> Hermione will be the woman for the job...that's it [20:42] <Rebekia> We've had a building up of Ginny being one who is a tough cookie.....She'll be in the fight. [20:42] <Twilight66> Ginny will have an important role elsewhere - like at Hogwarts [20:42] <magicmeg8> Guys, let's stick to Hermione, please [20:42] <DumbleDebbie> what if she's in disguise and they don't know it's Ginny? [20:42] <Aislinn> ummm, Hermione is the focus tonight [20:42] <futureweasley> she's the only one who's been there from the beginning [20:42] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I can't see it happening and as such, she might be a hinderance [20:43] *** Tanaqui has joined #lounge [20:43] <futureweasley> she's the only one who has "paid her due" [20:43] <Twilight66> Hermione, Ron and Harry work together easily without too much effort [20:43] <futureweasley> right, it's almost second nature now [20:43] <Expelliarmas> yes, they have a dynamic from years of friendship [20:43] <Aislinn> agreed, twilight [20:43] <Rebekia> Hermione is Ginnys good friend...and the both of them have love interests going out to fight. I can't imagine Hermione staying back either [20:43] <JillianS642> There should be more negative traits of hermione, I just can't put my finger on them ... [20:43] <futureweasley> they predict each other's moves before they are made [20:43] <magicmeg8> lol jillian [20:43] <Expelliarmas> they have a symmetry which should work well in 7 [20:43] <Aislinn> I think the combination of mind, body, spirit we talked about earlier has really matured into a single entity that works really well together [20:44] <CarpeDiem> Negative traits? Good question Jillian [20:44] <Poet> People don't seem concerned about Hermione dying because she is smart and seems to always make it through. In Time Magazine in 2000 Jo said, "They see her as someone who is not vulnerable, but I see her as someone who does have quite a lot of vulnerability in her personality." So...Book 7, Hermione live or die? [20:44] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I think Hermione's only negative trait is she perhaps makes too many assumptions based on logic [20:44] <Twilight66> jillian - she can be conceited about her knowledge, she is a nag [20:44] <Poet> Hi Tanaqui! [20:44] <Expelliarmas> live! [20:44] <SoonerGryffindor> live [20:44] <Segonku> live [20:44] <futureweasley> Live and have lots of babies! [20:44] <SoonerGryffindor> and become the first female MoM [20:44] <Rebekia> lol [20:44] <futureweasley> red-headed smart ones [20:44] <DumbleDebbie> live [20:44] <JillianS642> ah, a nag! [20:44] <Twilight66> Live [20:44] <Tanaqui> greetings...i think she'll live [20:44] <Rebekia> I hope she lives and doesn't have babies...but lots of adopted house elves [20:45] <SoonerGryffindor> and she will rewrite Hogwarts, A History to include the house-elf enslavement [20:45] <Twilight66> Jo spent too much time building up Ron/Hermione to kill one of them now [20:45] <Rebekia> that she can set freeeeee [20:45] <Angelyka13> if she died I don't think Ron & Harry's friendship (if they both live) will be the same [20:45] <futureweasley> lol Sooner [20:45] <JillianS642> I think she has a vulnerable personality, but I think she'll live, as well. I just can't figure out why she'd die - what plot purpose does it serve? [20:45] <magicmeg8> I think she'll live. I don't see any reason why she hould be "sacrificed:" [20:45] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree meg [20:45] <Tanaqui> the only way she would die would be by accident, i think--she's in the wrong place at the wrong time [20:45] <Poet> Great idea Sooner! A Minister for Magic! [20:45] <Segonku> Hermione is vulnerable and I expect Ron will save her in some way [20:45] <Aislinn> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum (http://www.leakylounge.com/index.php?showforum=184). Don't forget to vote in the latest poll for the next WWW chat here [20:45] <Tanaqui> just to show it can happen to anyone [20:45] <Angelyka13> although... she doesnt make it to the end of many books [20:46] <Expelliarmas> but if she had to, she would chose to make a sacrifice [20:46] <Aislinn> http://www.leakylounge.com/forums.html#entry916237 [20:46] <futureweasley> if she is "sacrificed", it will be to save Ron or Harry...I could see that [20:46] <JillianS642> and that would be so unsatisfying, Tanqui, that we'd have to march on JKR. [20:46] <futureweasley> due to her loyalty and priorities [20:46] <Tanaqui> lol [20:46] <Expelliarmas> lol Jillian [20:46] <JillianS642> yarks! This is transcribed? Eep. [20:46] <Aislinn> lol [20:46] <Poet> At the end of Book 1, the trio was together but not at the very end. I see something taking Hermione out temporarily. [20:46] <Aislinn> every word smile [20:46] <DumbleDebbie> I see Harry as the potentially sacrificial one [20:47] <Twilight66> I think she will end up killing someone important like Malfoy that would be a huge blow to Voldie and also be poetic justice [20:47] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Probaby P - she seems to be taken out in CoS, Ootp [20:47] <JillianS642> And I think we'll be led to believe she died but she won't have. [20:47] <Angelyka13> but like a phoenix he will rise from the flames... [20:47] <Poet> Hermione was petrified by the Basilisk as well, so she does has a vulnerability, but I don't think she'll die. [20:47] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Jillian [20:47] <Angelyka13> that would be soooo cliche... [20:47] <futureweasley> Jillian...everyone who has died is dead... [20:47] <futureweasley> Jo doesn't play that game with her readers [20:47] <futureweasley> lol [20:47] <DumbleDebbie> Angel, sort of. I think he'll have to be willing to die, but hopefully not actually die [20:48] <CarpeDiem> Hermione will know if and when it is time to bow out of the fighting. She will be a huge key but may not be around for the final battle. [20:48] <JillianS642> oh, no, not like that, FW, just that they see her fall off a cliff but she actually held on and survived, etc. Not avoiding a killing curse or something. [20:48] <Tanaqui> you know, she actually could grow up to be quite instrumental in something like the ootp....i could see her organizing and researching and stuff like that [20:48] <Angelyka13> sorry by bad... they rise from ashes.. [20:48] <Tanaqui> a behind the scenes kind of person [20:48] <futureweasley> Oh, I get it... [20:48] <futureweasley> I was seeing a little "Gandolf" thing [20:48] <Aislinn> yes, tanaqui - I could see that [20:49] <futureweasley> and that was totally knicked [20:49] <JillianS642> no, there will be no Gandmione! [20:49] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> LOL!!! [20:49] <Twilight66> Hermione with a sword would be pretty cool though [20:49] <futureweasley> lol Jill [20:49] *** SillyPutty has joined #lounge [20:49] <Tanaqui> thus we could possibly assume she won't die [20:49] <futureweasley> Hermione, chuck norris style [20:49] <DumbleDebbie> :bruce: [20:49] <Expelliarmas> if we get Hermione angry enough, lord knows what she'd do to the DEs [20:49] <JillianS642> oh, no, not chuck norris! [20:50] <JillianS642> I think it will probably go just like the first book "not me, not hermione, you, harry" [20:50] <SillyPutty> eh gad... could you imagine if she was trying to protect Harry or Ron? [20:50] <JillianS642> wow, you know, that is a really odd image, SillyPutty [20:50] <Twilight66> It would be a battle to protect each other. THey would end up hexing each other [20:51] <Angelyka13> i think she would step up if one of the boys went down.. [20:51] <DumbleDebbie> I hope they're not that clutzy [20:51] <SillyPutty> I missed the question so I have no idea what the subject is... [20:51] <Twilight66> No I mean because they would be arguing about who should be protecting who [20:51] <JillianS642> People don't seem concerned about Hermione dying because she is smart and seems to always make it through. In Time Magazine in 2000 Jo said, "They see her as someone who is not vulnerable, but I see her as someone who does have quite a lot of vulnerability in her personality." So...Book 7, Hermione live or die? [20:51] <JillianS642> (that's the question, SillyPutty) [20:52] <SillyPutty> thanks Jillian... [20:52] <JillianS642> np [20:52] <SillyPutty> hum, I could see her being harmed by trying to protect one of the others... [20:52] <Rebekia> She won't die...I don't think she'd start the hint of a romance for her to die...I'm more intrigued how Krum will play into her life again [20:52] <SillyPutty> I can't even think of her dieing [20:52] *** Poet has quit [Bye] [20:52] <Expelliarmas> By book 7, the trio will have to get by DEs, curses, etc. before Harry can get to VM. Hermione will be quite important to that process [20:52] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> I don't think she will [20:52] <futureweasley> Final Thoughts, guys? [20:53] <Tanaqui> i keep coming back to what others have already said--what's the purpose of her dying? [20:53] <JillianS642> good question, Rebekia. Why even keep Krum around in the other books unless he's coming back in ... [20:53] *** Poet has joined #lounge [20:53] *** hermeeownee has joined #lounge [20:53] <Rebekia> exactly [20:53] <SillyPutty> I can't see her dying... [20:53] <DumbleDebbie> Maybe he can be her research asst [20:53] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Hermione is a powerful and well rounded character and her involvement is essential to the survival of the trio [20:53] <JillianS642> I do wonder what career Hermione wanted in the end ... [20:53] <magicmeg8> My final thought: Hermione is an amazing part of the trio, she'll come in great use in the 7th book, and she won't die. [20:53] <JillianS642> darn JKR for not telling us! This post has been edited by magicmeg8: Aug 16 2006, 09:50 PM |
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[20:53] <SillyPutty> I could see him being there at one point near the end...
[20:53] <Angelyka13> I concur gfab [20:53] <Poet> lol [20:53] <DumbleDebbie> Headmistress would be a good job for her [20:53] <Tanaqui> final thought: exactly what GfaB said! [20:53] <Rebekia> Well...Krum's a good flyer and Hermione hates to...so...i dunno honestly [20:54] <SillyPutty> very true ginny [20:54] *** LJ has quit [Bye] [20:54] *** LJ has joined #lounge [20:54] <JillianS642> sorry, I have no final thoughts as I still have questions left! Still, it's been loads of fun chatting [20:54] <Expelliarmas> the connection to Krum may have something to do with DADA and info he could have for hermione [20:54] <Poet> Don't forget to vote in next week's poll so you can help us choose the topic smile [20:54] <JillianS642> (even if I did burn supper while doing it) [20:54] <SillyPutty> I don't see Krum and her happily ever after... but final thoughts - I don't see Hermoine dying in the end but I think she will be one of the last ones by Harry's side [20:54] <Rebekia> yeah i can't think final thoughts... [20:55] <SoonerGryffindor> it has been so nice having all of you guys here [20:55] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> yes Jillian - agree - another great chat [20:55] <futureweasley> I'm so glad you joined in Jillian...everybody, really [20:55] <Rebekia> No no..i don't see Krum and her together either [20:55] <Twilight66> thanks for letting me join in! [20:55] <magicmeg8> And also that she represents many girls. [20:55] <magicmeg8> We're gald you could all come smile [20:55] <futureweasley> I have had the most fun with this one! [20:55] <Rebekia> but i do feel it's not the end of Krum [20:55] <DumbleDebbie> have a nice evening all! [20:55] <Aislinn> *This chat will continue at the in the Study Hall of the Chamber of Chat (http://www.chamberofchat.com/chat/enter.asp)* [20:55] <SoonerGryffindor> I would just like to say that everyone has been wonderful and made my first chat as an official Mod a GREAT experience [20:55] <SillyPutty> this was my first chat - I'm glad I was able to sneak in at work [20:55] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> maybe an Hermione part deux is needed - owing to the depth of the character [20:55] *** Trozam has joined #lounge [20:55] <Aislinn> I think [20:55] <Segonku> I think Krum will die, but not Hermione [20:55] *** Watermelon has joined #lounge [20:55] <Angelyka13> thanks for a great first chat smile [20:55] <JillianS642> it continues? how? Very interesting ... [20:55] <Watermelon> hello! [20:55] <futureweasley> me too, Sooner! [20:56] <Rebekia> Hey Watermelon. we're about to end i think biggrin [20:56] <Watermelon> aww [20:56] <Watermelon> heheh [20:56] <Poet> hi Tim! [20:56] <Poet> See you all Saturday if you're around! [20:56] *** Twilight66 left #lounge [] [20:56] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> Thanks everyone and congratulations to F/W Poet S/G and everyone who received a new post this week! [20:56] <Expelliarmas> see you all later [20:56] <SillyPutty> awesome subject! [20:56] * Watermelon will go now [20:56] <Watermelon> bye1 [20:56] <Segonku> Good night all [20:56] <Trozam> Hello! [20:56] <SillyPutty> bye! [20:56] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> oh- Expeliarmas! [20:56] <JillianS642> there are more of these on Saturdays? I really need to read this site more! [20:56] <Rebekia> Yay. [20:56] *** SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] [20:56] <JillianS642> Thanks all! [20:56] <Tanaqui> see you around the lounge! [20:56] *** Tanaqui left #lounge [] [20:57] <Expelliarmas> what, GFAB? [20:57] *** Watermelon has quit [Bye] [20:57] <Aislinn> yes - more on saturday [20:57] <Ginny-From-A-Bottle> bye everyone [20:57] <magicmeg8> YEs, RG chats on Saturdays, Jillian. [20:57] <Aislinn> hours of fun even [20:57] <LJ> bye all [20:57] *** SillyPutty has quit [Bye] [20:57] <CarpeDiem> Bye All! smile [20:57] <futureweasley> come back Saturday...we are going to have so much fuN! [20:57] <futureweasley> F-U-N! [20:57] *** Ginny-From-A-Bottle has quit [Bye] [20:57] <Poet> See ya GinnyBot! [20:57] *** Expelliarmas left #lounge [] [20:57] <DumbleDebbie> bye [20:57] *** CarpeDiem has quit [Bye] [20:57] <Angelyka13> bye all [20:57] <JillianS642> sadly, not possible this saturday but I will keep it in mind for the future. [20:57] *** Angelyka13 left #lounge [] [20:57] <futureweasley> please do, Jill! [20:58] <JillianS642> darn, need shockwave for Chamber and that doesn't seem to exist on Linux. [20:58] <Poet> Night! [20:58] <Poet> See ya! [20:58] <DumbleDebbie> night [20:58] <DumbleDebbie> so how do you guys make the text different colors on this chat thing? [20:58] <magicmeg8> Night everyone, hope you had fun! [20:58] <JillianS642> there's little arrows at the bottom of the room. [20:58] <JillianS642> right at the end of the line you type on. Click it, then choose a colour from the list. [20:58] *** Segonku left #lounge [] [20:59] <futureweasley> thanks again, everyone! see you on Saturday [20:59] <JillianS642> (should say NON[E] right now). [20:59] <Poet> Be sure to type "/quit" to leave [20:59] <DumbleDebbie> Oh weird, they're covered by the tan stripe on the bottom of the page, hmmm, thanks though, now I know where to look [20:59] <JillianS642> Oh, thanks for telling me that, Poet. I had no idea! [20:59] <futureweasley> I've never done that before Poet [20:59] <DumbleDebbie> hhmmm, can't see the choices, must be my browser [21:00] <Aislinn> bye everyone! [21:00] <JillianS642> night all! Thanks again for all the help! Glad I could even pass a bit of it on. [21:00] <Aislinn> see you next time [21:00] <LJ> or you can click the link to the Lounge at the top left [21:00] <JillianS642> eep, you picked beige, DD [21:00] <DumbleDebbie> ok that was odd invisible text [21:00] <DumbleDebbie> LOL! [21:00] <DumbleDebbie> OK, night all! [21:00] <JillianS642> Anyway, we're suppsoed to be gone. Later! [21:00] <futureweasley> goodnight guys [21:00] <JillianS642> night! [21:00] *** JillianS642 has quit [Bye] [21:00] *** milkmamma has joined #lounge [21:01] <Poet> Now you know and knowing is half the battle (/quit - everyone is doing it ) [21:01] *** DumbleDebbie left #lounge [] [21:01] <Rebekia> Night you princes of maine... ;) [21:02] <Aislinn> smile [21:02] <futureweasley> awww. [21:02] *** Trozam left #lounge [] [21:02] <Poet> Can also use the X in the upper right next to the hammer icon [21:02] <futureweasley> you kings of New England [21:02] <futureweasley> good night Rebekia [21:02] *** Rebekia has quit [Bye] [21:03] <Poet> sooo [21:03] <LJ> ok guys, to leave just click on an ad on the right [21:03] <Aislinn> milkmamma, hermeeownee? [21:03] <milkmamma> hiiiii! [21:03] <Poet> night Tim! [21:03] <LJ> we're finished now [21:03] <Aislinn> we're closing smile [21:03] <futureweasley> it's nite nite time [21:03] <Aislinn> see you next time [21:03] <milkmamma> bye! -------------------- |
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