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  Mar 18 2008, 06:54 AM
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Cauldron Bottom Measurer Posts: 141 Joined: 3:56am February 21, 2008 Location: Commuting between Ravenclaw Common Room and the Room of Hidden Things  |
If Doreen Potter is Harry's grandmother, Harry's second cousins are the following: Sirius and Regulus Black, Bellatrix (Black) Lestrange, Andromeda (Black) Tonks, Narcissa (Black) Malfoy.
If Septimus Weasley is Arthur's father, then his second cousins are James Potter, Walburga Black (Sirius' mother) and Cygnus Black (Bellatrx's father). And Phineas Nigellus is the great great grandfather of: Sirius, Regulus, Bellatrix, Andromeda, Narcissa (all "Black"); and of Harry Potter, Bill, ... Ginny Weasley and (probably) Barty Crouch jr. I don't know for sure, but I have the impression that Lucius Malfoy has indeed studied the BFT and that's why he is so talkative in the Ministry. |
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Mar 18 2008, 08:30 AM
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Just Through the Brick Wall Posts: 6 Joined: 11:27am March 15, 2008 Location: Marching down the isle, holding mums train. |
Cool! the wizareing world must be very...intertwined. If the pure bloods would branch out a little and give new familys a few decades...
then maybe, in the end, all families would have a little muggle blood in them. And if hermione and lilly are any example, then the entire wizarding population would be smarter! 
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Mar 18 2008, 10:23 AM
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Getting Fitted for New Dress Robes Posts: 42 Joined: 11:04am February 12, 2008 Location: Eating old cake with Figgy |
QUOTE(Shnoing @ Mar 18 2008, 07:54 AM)  If Doreen Potter is Harry's grandmother, Harry's second cousins are the following: Sirius and Regulus Black, Bellatrix (Black) Lestrange, Andromeda (Black) Tonks, Narcissa (Black) Malfoy. If Septimus Weasley is Arthur's father, then his second cousins are James Potter, Walburga Black (Sirius' mother) and Cygnus Black (Bellatrx's father). And Phineas Nigellus is the great great grandfather of: Sirius, Regulus, Bellatrix, Andromeda, Narcissa (all "Black"); and of Harry Potter, Bill, ... Ginny Weasley and (probably) Barty Crouch jr. I don't know for sure, but I have the impression that Lucius Malfoy has indeed studied the BFT and that's why he is so talkative in the Ministry. wait...where did you get this from? is it something i've never heard of from JKR?? *is confused* -------------------- "But why's she got to go to the library?" "Because that's what Hermione does," said Ron. "When in doubt, go to the library." Can you dance like a hippogriff? |
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Mar 18 2008, 10:46 AM
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Dumbledore's Personal Secretary  Posts: 4,717 Joined: 10:28am December 31, 2006 Location: At a violin concert with my boss. |
Jo has provided her fans with the Black Family Tree mentioned in OOTP. You can find it here on wikipedia.  She hasn't actually given the exact relationship between the Blacks, the Potters, the Weasleys, the Crouches, etc, but said that they were all related in some way or other. 
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Mar 18 2008, 02:07 PM
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Terrortours Travel Agent Posts: 6,828 Joined: 12:34pm January 24, 2007 |
We pretty much know that Septimus is Arthur's dad, because Sirius says they are second cousins once removed, IIRC. Add to Phineas Nigellus' descendants - Neville Longbottom (plus possibly some second cousins of his, I think Frank was an only child, but of the Longbottoms on the tree are Nevile's family, then Frank's dad (Augusta's husband) had a sister. The first cousins of the Weasley children are also Phineas' offspring (through Arthur's 2 brothers, or just one if the other was Bilius). And if Caspar Crouch is Barty Sr's father then he had those 2 sisters who might have been the mothers of Barty Jr's first cousins.
And let's not forget Marius Black, the Squib. Who knows, if he married a Muggle then Phineas might even have offspring in the Muggle world. Ah, to have old Phineas see his great-great-great-grandchildren: mostly half-bloods, and then some are including part-veela, one is the son of a werewolf, possibly Muggles, and very few purebloods. Yes, the Mudblood that took his portrait to the forest of Dean is the mother of two of his great-great-great-grandchildren. |
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Mar 18 2008, 02:42 PM
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Daily Prophet Photographer Posts: 875 Joined: 3:46pm January 7, 2008 Location: Macedonia  |
How do you know that Dorea and Charlus were james's parents? It doesn't say that and maybe they were someone else?
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Mar 19 2008, 11:46 AM
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Being Chosen by a Wand at Ollivander's Posts: 2,977 Joined: 12:37pm April 28, 2007 |
We don't know that they weren't? There are no other Potters in the English wizard world. Sirius was related to Ron, and perhaps either by marriage if not blood to Barty Crouch and Neville Longbottom according to the tree. The dates on the tree are not written in stone. (I think Jo has a couple people who are parents at thirteen!) and we have to consider Jo estimates dates--Dumbledore lost about forty years from beginning to end. It is possible, especially from what Sirius says, that he and James, therefore Harry were cousins.
Now that means that Harry had blood relatives who were wizards--but no one who directly connected to his father except Sirius. For that matter Voldemort was a distant --very distant cousin of Harry. Do I think it was possible because of the spiritual connection between James, Lily, and Sirius for Dumbledore to create a charm of protection : Of course, this is fiction after all and the author is free to invent any kind of magic. I am one who holds spiritual bonds as high bonds of blood in some circumstances. If this was not possible we would all have to marry relatives, as the bond of marriage or a loving committment is supposedly as high a bond as two people can have. Of course, for some that is debatable.  But Jo wanted to stress the bond between the sisters for her tale, especially because it was important to her story that Petunia and Lily were not loving sisters. |
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Mar 19 2008, 11:56 AM
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Selling Illegal Items at Borgin and Burkes Posts: 2,815 Joined: 12:53pm July 7, 2006 Location: In front of the computer, of course! |
But wouldn't Sirius have made a big issue of being related to James and Harry by blood? Rather then being just a Godfather to him?
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Mar 19 2008, 12:20 PM
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Being Chosen by a Wand at Ollivander's Posts: 2,977 Joined: 12:37pm April 28, 2007 |
QUOTE(coppertopchopperhopper @ Mar 19 2008, 10:56 AM) But wouldn't Sirius have made a big issue of being related to James and Harry by blood? Rather then being just a Godfather to him? Harry was shocked to learn that Sirius was related to Bella and the Malfoys. And Sirius does tell Harry that those people are not his (Sirius") Family, Harry is. Lily and James were. I think, at least for Jo, the love Sirius had for James, Lily, and Harry had very little to do with any blood connection if there was one. I don't think she wanted the fact that they were cousins, or might have been cousins to overwhelm the love between them. |
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Mar 19 2008, 12:32 PM
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Selling Illegal Items at Borgin and Burkes Posts: 2,815 Joined: 12:53pm July 7, 2006 Location: In front of the computer, of course! |
Yes, and that's always the way I've read it.
But i think that if Sirius had a direct blood line with Harry it Would have been important to him and particulerly to Harry. After all it would also mean that Harry had a direct blood relationship with the Weasleys as well, which would also have meant a great deal to him. -------------------- |
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