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The hand that signed the paper, Should Hermione have jinxed the DA list?
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HERMIONE AND MARIETTA EDGECOMBE


Hermione has quite a year in OotP. She starts out by finding that she and Ron have been appointed prefects and by continuing with her efforts to free House Elves.However law abiding Hermione is, she comes into conflict with Dolores Umbridge's idea of teaching. Hermione and Ron have the idea to form a study group so that they can learn DADA properly, and invited a few others along. But when more than two dozen people turn up at their first meeting in the Hogs Head, the whole idea becomes problematical.

WHY HERMIONE SHOULD HAVE JINXED THE PAPER. HERMIONE'S SIDE.

If it is possible for one out of four fast friends to betray the others, then how much more likely is it that one out of a group of twenty eight people who went to the Hogs Head would go to Umbridge? The day after their meeting there were messages up all over Hogwarts, forbidding the very clubs and associations Hermione and Ron were trying to form. We don't learn until the DA was eventually sprung that it was Willie Widdershins dressed like a mummy who was spying on the DA meeting. As the meeting closed, Hermione got everyone who attended that meeting to sign a piece of paper, which she jinxed so that if anyone in that group betrayed the others then everyone would know who did it. She did warn the group that signing the list would be tantamount to agreeing not to tell Umbridge anything that went on.

Under the circumstances, Hermione's precaution was a sensible one. Ron disliked Ginny's boyfriends, whom he considered untrustworthy, but that was his brotherly prejudice. Even the doubting Zachariah Smith didn't go to Umbridge, even though he was the last to sign. Each one of the people who went to the meeting had the choice not to go there in the first place. And each person in the Hogs Head could have openly refused to sign the paper or go along with the DA. Why did Marietta Edgecombe not back out then and there? And how could Hermione have known ahead of time who was going to betray the DA?

It was clear that Marietta was a bit dubious about the DA. She only went along because of her friend Cho Chang, who was attracted to Harry. Marietta's mother worked for the Ministry in the Floo Network and had warned her about getting involved in such activities. Why then did she not refuse to go along with Cho? Does Cho really need a friend along to accompany her when she investigates every club she is tempted to join?

When Marietta Edgecome finally did crack, she was putting DA members at risk, including herself. It wasn't doing Marietta, herself, any favours if she had to tell her mother about an illegal group she had joined. It was not being friendly to Cho either, since Cho's own mother worked for the Ministry. And Umbridge meant business. She not only found out who was in the DA, she also had the benefit of Pansy Parkinson going into the Room of Requirement to take the list as proof. It was only a bit of fancy work from Kingsley Shacklebolt which saved the day.

Of course Marietta was stuck with pimples from that day onwards, though they faded away in time. Couldn't Marietta have gone to Hermione, herself, and apologised for her behaviour? Or better still, discussed why she wanted out of the DA with one of the other members? Not all of them would have been unsympathetic. If Hermione let her off too easily then she might have gone back to Umbridge a second time and given up even more information. Whilst Marietta's treatment seems harsh, it was necessary to jinx the paper, and Marietta deserved everything she got. Why did she go to Umbridge and not some other teacher? Especially as Hermione specifically said not to let Umbridge, of all people, know what they were doing.

In the end, Dumbledore had to go to protect Harry and Marietta, herself. Umbridge seems quite dangerous in the Headmaster's office. Fudge, himself, was present, to wreak vengeance on disobedient school children. Percy was at his side to take notes. Jinxing the paper was the only sensible thing Hermione could do to protect everyone in the group, and she should not have been blamed for taking this sensible step. That Marietta was disfigured for more than two years afterwards was her own fault.

HERMIONE SHOULD NOT HAVE JINXED THE PAPER - MARIETTA EDGECOMBE

When Hermione jinxed the paper she was doing something clever that could backfire on everyone. No she didn't jinx the paper with Marietta in mind, but whoever did get jinxed would get a nasty shock. Is Hermione justified in jinxing the paper? No she isn't. Marietta could have been maimed for life, and until the pimples eventually faded, she suffered horrendous embarrassment, having to wear balaclavas or heavy make up to hide her face.

What Hermione did to Marietta wasn't nice. Why didn't Hermione tell the group that if they sneaked on the DA they would get pimples spelling S.N.E.A.K? Wouldn't it have been fair if she had respected their right not to want to join such an association? Or told them that signing the paper was a commitment they could not wriggle out of?

Perhaps Marietta was weak to let Cho drag her long to DA meetings, because of Cho's attraction to Harry. In loyalty to her friend, maybe Marietta thought they should have nothing further to do with Harry after the Valentine's day row Harry had with Cho. Perhaps Mrs Edgecombe had been getting to Marietta over the holidays, telling her to keep out of trouble. And perhaps Marietta, too, thought of Umbridge as 'a delightful woman'. Or maybe she thought the DA lessons weren't what she wanted. Are these good reasons to give the poor girl a disfigurement spelling out S.N.E.A.K?

Marietta was to remain disfigured for more than two years by those pimples. Yes Hermione did need to take precautions against weak people who wanted out of the DA. And yes, Hermione did not know that it would be Marietta, in particular, who would be the one to crack. But disfiguring someone else for so long is somewhat excessive. Hermione should have set a time limit on when the pimples would fade. Nobody should be forced to suffer for years over a misguided youthful attitude. If she could not put a time limit on how long the penalty would apply, Hermione should not have jinxed the paper at all.

Which side do you think was right? Hermione or Marietta? You are cordially invited to express your opinions here.





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- WaggaWaggaWerewolf   The hand that signed the paper   Feb 15 2008, 08:22 AM
- - harrypottergeek2   I don't think Hermione was wrong to jinx the p...   Feb 17 2008, 05:12 PM
|- - Rinzy   QUOTE(harrypottergeek2 @ Feb 18 2008, 07...   Feb 18 2008, 01:18 AM
|- - The Whomping Willow   QUOTE(Rinzy @ Feb 18 2008, 02:18 AM) QUOT...   Feb 18 2008, 01:34 AM
|- - Prenz13   QUOTE(Rinzy @ Feb 18 2008, 01:18 AM) QUOT...   Feb 18 2008, 01:57 AM
|- - harrypottergeek2   QUOTE(Rinzy @ Feb 18 2008, 01:18 AM) Whil...   Feb 18 2008, 02:50 AM
- - wendybird3   I think for sure she is right to have jinxed the p...   Feb 17 2008, 05:42 PM
- - chmpgnrose   I don't think Hermione was wrong to jinx the p...   Feb 17 2008, 06:23 PM
- - wendybird3   I think that they all knew how serious things were...   Feb 18 2008, 05:50 AM
- - I_Brake_for_House_Elves   What was the point of the jinx? If it was to actu...   Feb 19 2008, 01:20 PM
- - potterfreak07   the DA was supposed to be a SECRET. Secret is the ...   Feb 19 2008, 03:01 PM
- - Hippogriff Lover   I agree with the people that took Hermione's s...   Feb 19 2008, 03:31 PM
- - I_Brake_for_House_Elves   But my question is: what was the point of the list...   Feb 20 2008, 01:11 PM
|- - ronni   QUOTE(I_Brake_for_House_Elves @ Feb 20 2008, ...   Feb 23 2008, 06:15 AM
- - wendybird3   I think that Hermione was worried for the saftey o...   Feb 20 2008, 01:37 PM
- - AstridB   As they were very clear on the fact that the DA wa...   Feb 20 2008, 03:40 PM
- - Susaline94   Hermione was in her full right to jinx the paper, ...   Feb 20 2008, 04:41 PM
- - morgiana   What was Hermione's actual motive for jinxing ...   Feb 21 2008, 01:28 AM
|- - harrypottergeek2   QUOTE(morgiana @ Feb 21 2008, 01:28 AM) W...   Feb 21 2008, 01:42 AM
|- - Miss Padfoot   QUOTE(harrypottergeek2 @ Feb 21 2008, 07...   Feb 23 2008, 08:58 AM
|- - Fawks7   QUOTE(Miss Padfoot @ Feb 23 2008, 08:58 A...   Feb 26 2008, 08:22 PM
|- - rowena r   QUOTE(Fawks7 @ Feb 26 2008, 08:22 PM) not...   Feb 27 2008, 09:50 AM
|- - WaggaWaggaWerewolf   QUOTE(Fawks7 @ Feb 27 2008, 12:22 PM) wha...   Mar 11 2008, 05:17 PM
|- - lirene   QUOTE(WaggaWaggaWerewolf @ Mar 11 2008, 05...   Mar 11 2008, 08:06 PM
|- - harrypottergeek2   QUOTE(lirene @ Mar 11 2008, 09:06 PM) QUO...   Mar 11 2008, 08:22 PM
- - Shnoing   I think the central point here is that Hermione an...   Feb 21 2008, 04:26 AM
- - Professor_Nigellus   I think that Marrietta's motives are more impo...   Feb 22 2008, 10:36 PM
- - eowyngirl   I agree with Hermione's decision. There was no...   Feb 24 2008, 01:24 AM
- - invisibilitybooster1   i think it was a great idea. and i think if she wa...   Feb 24 2008, 09:36 PM
- - Dana :]   i think it was extremely nessicary. otherwise the...   Feb 26 2008, 09:42 PM
- - rowena r   QUOTE(harrypottergeek2 @ Mar 11 2008, 09...   Mar 12 2008, 09:17 AM
|- - lirene   QUOTE(rowena r @ Mar 12 2008, 09:17 AM) C...   Mar 13 2008, 10:46 AM
|- - harrypottergeek2   QUOTE(lirene @ Mar 13 2008, 11:46 AM) QUO...   Mar 13 2008, 11:54 AM
- - xo-angellic-xo   i think an appology would have helped her but i th...   Mar 12 2008, 10:27 AM
- - Professor_Nigellus   When have we ever seen a student lift his own jinx...   Mar 12 2008, 04:56 PM
|- - lirene   QUOTE(Professor_Nigellus @ Mar 12 2008, 04...   Mar 13 2008, 12:35 AM
|- - harrypottergeek2   QUOTE(lirene @ Mar 13 2008, 01:35 AM) I a...   Mar 13 2008, 12:41 AM
|- - lirene   QUOTE(harrypottergeek2 @ Mar 13 2008, 01...   Mar 13 2008, 12:53 AM
- - wendybird3   I thought that when they came back to school afer ...   Mar 13 2008, 05:02 AM


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