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Narya
Time to open Part II of this topic ... smile.gif

You can find Part I of this topic here

So ... what do you think of Draco Malfoy in each of the five books from Philosopher's Stone/Sorcerer's Stone through to Order of the Phoenix?

Is he bad? Or is he just misunderstood?
I Like Chocolate Frogs
i think he's neither bad, nor misunderstood

he uses his family name to scare people or to get some followers (grabe and goyle or pansy parkinson)
he's a bully
he's mean to weak students or younger ones (stealing neville's remebrall or sneering whenever snapes makes fun of harry or anyone from griffindor)
but he has no guts
everytime he's in a fight with harry he tries to attack harry when he's not looking (PoA) or when he's not allowed to (CoS-Duel club)
he's easily scared (probably one of the many reasons why he's not a griffindor), in the forbidden forest with harry in book 1, when harry attacks him in hogsmeade with his invisibily cloak and so on...

he's not bad like his dad, he just pretends
but he's a bully and a mean boy
luna_lupin7
Well, I'm not really sure how to answer, cause my opinion of him obviously changed tremendously after OotP compared to HBP. But, if we're only talking after OotP, I'd say he's bad, not misunderstood. However, there is always redemption, so he shouldn't be called evil.
dramarama
I think that he is "bad" because he is hidding his pain from everyone. For Example, in the 6th book He couldn't kill Dumbledore. If he was as bad as everyone thinks then he would have killed him a long time ago if you know what I mean.
jumpingferret
i think a bit of both(more bad than missunderstood).but i have changed my opinion a lot after reading book 6...he can be a good guy if he wants to...but seeing as voldy is threathening him and his entire familly we probably won't be seeing a lot of good draco esspecially since dumbledore is dead.
sinz
I believe that Draco is extremely misunderstood...yet has quite a bad sense to him as well. We all need to remember that his father and mother are both Death Eaters and his family history all contain a certian amount of darkness never mind pig-headedness.
All Drako really is trying to do is uphold his family name....He is being really weak in the pretendance side yet knows where his loyalty lies. If you look in the fifth book, Drako did not seem too keen in killing Dumbledore and was sceptical about his mision The Dark Lord lay before him.
We all have been there....under pressure and especially peer pressure. So give him a chance and you never know what the last book will bring us!!!!
Guardsman Bass
Draco is what he is: the only son of a very wealthy, important, old wizarding family. On one hand, this means he's inherited all the arrogance and snobbishness associated with this position. He's contemptuous of muggle-borns, snobbish towards the poor and 'blood-traitors' (in this case, the Weasely's are both), and very self-assured. Bullying and dominating his fellow Slytherins is probably a pattern that has been going on for some time, and in Draco's case, is amplified by what JK Rowling called his ability to basically compartmentalize his emotions (which is why he would be an excellent Occlumens). Add on this the fact that House Slytherin is all about manuevering, position, and politics, and a person like Draco, who has money, connections, and power, is naturally awarded high status - status that he then goes on to believe is his right.

On the other hand, he has some positive traits associated with what he is. He is apparently very loyal to his family, which is at least partially the reason why he took a mission to kill Dumbledore even though he must have known that it might very likely involve his death, and probably would involve his death if he failed. He seems to love both his father and his mother, and immediately stands up for them when he perceives them as being insulted. Both at least seem to be strong to overcome a streak of cowardice on his part (which is why he is always accompanied by Crabbe and Goyle, even though they don't really like him, and he doesn't really seem to regard them as much more than his servants).

Also, interestingly enough, when it doesn't affect his image, he appears to be able to express emotions, even to someone like Moaning Myrtle. He's also not really a killer; he may enjoy bullying, but he doesn't actually desire to kill, at least in Dumbledore's case.
hpboy13
I think he is bad. His bullying is not justifiable. But like many bad people, he eventually got in over his head in HBP.
MajorLee
The Malfoy name is a hard one to live up to. Give him a rest. He didn't want to kill Dumbledore did he?
Eleanora Snowmantle
He tries to live up to the expectations of his father, aswell as having Voldermort on his back.For him to have his dad as a death eater will make Malfoy make himself look anything but a wimp. He puts up a cover of what he feels inside.
Guardsman Bass
He's almost certainly a coward, but a coward with a strong sense of honor and loyalty to his family and family name.
DeLaWarre
I have been rereading the books, and I have noticed that if you read between the lines, not only do I think he might be attracted to Hermione, although he would never admit it, he also seems to yearn to be friends with Harry. I will find key passages to support these assertions, but it is a holiday so I need to celebrate! Happy New Year's Eve! toast.gif
hpltr
I think he's confused...a confused teen aged boy. I also think he's a coward and is going to go where he feels the power is, but that won't last for long. He has good in him, you saw it on the tower, he was considering DD's offer to go into hiding I believe. DH is going to be where he finds his 15 minutes I think. He, I believe is going to be one of Harry's biggest assests. I also have a feeling he's going to make a huge sacrafice for Harry at some point. Nothing to back me up, just a feeling.
etnutter
I think consciously, he is among the most loathesome slime that ever grew on a dungeon wall. Birds of a feather, flock etc......and Crabbe and Goyle are merely the outward extensions of his every day personality.

My wider theory (related to sorting) is that you are in a specific house at Hogwarts not based on your conscious personality, but on your character - something that is part of your shadow side - the part of you that is not so much who you are, but what you value. The character of Slytherin house is strong deep inside Malfoy. It is not pretty, but it is well represented inside of him - finally - in book 6.

In this respect, Draco is as much Neville's counterpart in the story as he is Harry's. Both of them having a rather cowardly personality, but growing into their rather larger than life "character" as colored by the houses they are in. Neville to be a Griffindor idealist, where Draco is growing into his cunning and ambitious slytherin type of Guardian character.

But Draco's choices at the end of HBP were his only chance, I think. He chose poorly. His cowardice prevented his character from really getting solid footing. It was like he was teetering on the great character he had been developing but instead of truly stepping into this powerful character, he crumbled - he went backwards.

To my thinking, it is this "character" we all have whose job it is to modify our personality - to change us.

On the basis of Draco's "character," then, he could have chosen to kill DD himself and gone one direction, or he could have chosen to abandon the dark side and gone another direction -- both viable possibilities for this new part of himself we were seeing developed in bk 6. Instead, he crumbled back into Draco the sniveling spite-spewing coward. And that will have consequences in Book 7.

He may have one more shot at greatness - for evil or for good - it depends on what happens to his parents now. But barring that, the cowardly ego is in place for the next book.

My prediction, along the cowardly lines, is that even if he shines for some reason in bk 7, he will still end poorly. I suspect that Draco's character will see him take some act that results in his death, but his fear will see him end up as a ghost in the Hogwarts bathrooms crying on Myrtle's shoulder, bragging about his purebloodedness, and being forced to tell everyone who asks about the great Harry Potter...
Guardsman Bass
I don't think he really had a choice. He wasn't going to kill Dumbledore, but then the Death Eaters and Snape came in and took control out of his hands, and now he's back in his Death Eater environment. That chance of escape from death to him and his family (which is what he really wanted in taking the mission, and why he was deciding not to kill Dumbledore) just vanished.
etnutter
Guardsman - Draco had a LONG time to decide before the DE's arrived up there....How long would you have given him?

The "goldfinger" discussion went on for page after page.....the "character" that I refer to in my post that now exists inside him was ready to completely take the helm just as it needed to in that moment.....but he hesitated.....for like....Forever. He sunk away from this powerful character he had developed and stayed stuck as draco the sneery priviliged spiteful cowardly prig....

To make matters worse....he ran for it. I reject the idea that he had no choice.....he picked up the guantlet thrown down by LV and saw his task through right to the point where it was time to choose. He had nothing to prove to anyone anymore with the crosshairs of his wand on DD's chest. It was the moment of decision....of choice.....

If, as Dumbledore says, it is our choices - Draco, for all his abilities and aspirations being actualized during the book - chose poorly. and that choice has , for now, defined him.

I loath him SO!
Magicquill
Draco is someone who is very interested in Dark arts and that peculier pure-blood mania....But still he is a teenage boy..
Therefore he didn't have much knowledge about the demands of the dark world..Following his Father's foot steps he went to serve LV..But only by the end of HBP he gets to know that it is not very easy to be with VL...He is not prepared to be a DE...I But I don't think he is a coward..
I always loathed Draco..But after reading HBP, I felt really sorry for him...I dont know what will become of him in the 7th book.
Crookshanks_Rocks
Who knows? I mean JK has done some pretty amazing things in thesse books.
I don't think he will ever be 'good'. He will always be loyal to his father. Or maybe not? I hate it when I second guess myself! doh.gif
Vestalon
First of all, I didn't read Part I of this topic so maybe this has already been said.

I think Draco is a very interesting character. He is definitively not a very nice guy. He tries to impress everyone at the expense of others. Reminds me a bit of Sirius Black who, together with James Potter, did more or less the same when he was young. Both (Draco and Sirius) are heirs to an old an very much respected family in the magical world. Both were raised in an atmosphere of exaggerated pride (pure-blood) and hate towards muggles and muggle-born. But here comes the difference. Sirius decided not to follow the wrong path of his familiy. He decided to do the right thing, even against his own blood. The choices we make are important - remember?
I think it's not too late for Draco to change. Think of Regulus Black.
Hmmm...guess it's never too late to realize how wrong you've been in the past. All you need is someone or something that opens your eyes. Maybe the death of Dumbledore was exactly that for Draco - a small glimpse into the real world of the DE.
hello i'm welsh
So… has anyone ever thought the prophecy might be about Draco?...
BBeak
I think that Draco is thought of as evil, horrible, and on the dark side. But eventhough he has been a jerk towards the trio, I still think that he won't be able to become a DE. As we saw in HBP, he just didn't have the heart/guts for killing someone. I think that in the end, he will try to turn on LV, but still not join Harry, because Harry put his father in jail. I think that we will see a side of Draco Malfoy that will surprise all of us. ponder.gif
Snapes_Angel
I'm a huge Draco Malfoy fan, and I have been from the moment we meet him in Madam Malkin's Robes Shop in Sorcerors Stone. He's really the fictional version of myself, except I'm a girl and I'm not a wizard, but other than that we are basically the same.

I've always been misunderstood because of how I acted. People think I'm just plan mean because of my attitude, when in reality I use the attitude as a way to protect myself. I believe that is why Draco has such a bad attitude himself. He uses it to protect himself, because if you have an attitude it makes you this tough sort of person. His attitude is the only thing that keeps him going. If you strip it away he's a weak, cowardly kid who mouths off about things that he hasn't comprehended yet. To Draco, his attitude is the only thing that makes him different from alot of other people, except for his pureblood leagacy and his money. Its really the only thing that is really his. His blood isn't something that really has any stance in school, and his money doesn't have the same kind of influence at school that his attitude does.

Draco is misunderstood. He doesn't really want to be like his father, and the problem with him in the first five books is that he hasn't really realized what it is he really wants. He's always had his decisions made for him, he's never been able to decide what he wants for himself. But in HBP, we see that he's starting to come into his own. He's really starting to figure out who he is, and he's realized that he isn't cut out to be like his father. He's becoming his own person, he's no longer the carbon copy of his father that we've seen throughtout the first five books.
candyf66
Draco is the way he is because he's looking for his fathers love and acceptance which he can't seem to get in the books that put him with his father his father is mean and nasty to him. So unlike Harry who had people mean and nasty to him and over came it Draco is looking and can't get the ONE person he wants to love him
Valley
I think he's both bad and misunderstood - but not so bad that he's beyond redemption. Dumbledore says that it is a person's choices, not how they're born, that makes them who they are. Draco was born into an evil family, yet he can still choose to be good. I'm fairly sure that either he will save Harry's life or Harry will save his at some point, and that will be the defining moment.
kaelgirl
At first, I had the impression that Draco was bad, but he's not bad in a LV sort of way. He's just there to give all muggleborns a hard time and to give Harry a hard time. But I think that because he couldn't kill Dumbledore proved that even though he wants to be bad, he can't.

He could be misunderstood, but I think he has more of a bad-boy attitude and everyone knows it. But he's not bad in a "I'm going to kill all non-pure blood people" like LV. He's just a bit stuck up. I hope he doesn't turn REALLY bad in DH.
~Ginevra Potter~
I completely agree with your analysis of Draco's character, Snapes_Angel. I think Draco is misunderstood in the sense that he uses his 'bad boy' attitude to guard himself. He's definitely not the 'heart on the sleeve' type of guy, which can be a very good thing because like JKR said, it's Draco's ability to suppress certain sympathic, compassionate emotions that enables him to be so successful in Occulemency. Something Harry fails at.

Hopefully, Draco won't disappoint us in DH. His experiences in Half Blood Prince should have taught him that 'walking the talk' is a lot harder than he anticipated initially. I have a feeling that Dumbledore planted a seed in his head about joining the light side, and if maybe presented with the choice to help them in DH, I pray he takes it.

I have a question though. What does everyone think the motive was for Draco offering Harry a hand in friendship first year? Do you guys think it was a personal choice or maybe a nudge from his father? It seemed to me that Draco's pride was very much hurt by Harry's rejection of him, which does lead me to believe that it was a personal decision to want to be friends with Harry.
candyf66
[/color][color=#FF6600]to offer Harry a hand in friendship hmmmm Draco didn't know who Harry was in the drss robe shop that boy (Draco) was someone looking for friendship a buddy on the train to HW that boy (Draco) was looking to impress his father something he's never been able to do no matter how hard he tries.
qtpatutie432
Throughout all of the books I've thought of Draco as just another bully....tough on the outside, soft on the inside. I think he still is. I definitely don't think he's bad. I think he wants to be bad, but really can't be. He wants to be his father, out of his need for Lucius's acceptance and love (as candyf66 stated), but I don't think his real personality matches up with the evil and hatred necessary to be a death eater and kill wizards like Dumbledore. Come to think of it, I think he wants to be misunderstood - he knows he's really not a bad, mean-spirited person, but doesn't want anyone else to know. If that makes sense.

QUOTE(~Ginevra Potter~ @ Jan 17 2007, 10:17 PM) [snapback]1068163[/snapback]

I have a question though. What does everyone think the motive was for Draco offering Harry a hand in friendship first year? Do you guys think it was a personal choice or maybe a nudge from his father? It seemed to me that Draco's pride was very much hurt by Harry's rejection of him, which does lead me to believe that it was a personal decision to want to be friends with Harry.


I think it was both a personal choice and a HUGE nudge from his father. To reiterate, I think he definitely wanted acceptance from his father, especially being as young as he was in the first book (not that he's THAT much more mature in HBP), and would do anything to do so. He seemed brainwashed by his father, and has seemed so for the entire series.

Maybe he disappeared at the end of HBP because he came out of the "brainwash" trance and realized that's not who he really wanted to be. Or maybe the thought of LV coming after him for not killing Dumbledore scared the crap out of him. Either way, I think a transformation is definitely in order for this "bad boy" in DH. Perhaps he will have to be the one to do in his own father....out of love.
candyf66
I think in some way he had a crush on hermionee untill he found out she was muggle born
he too thought ginny was pretty but she's a muggle lover
With his father around he can't be friends with or date anyone that's not pure so he had to be mean and spiteful. Now in the last book he's going to confront his father and say look the man I was to kill showed me more love and concern in a few min. then you've showed me in 17 years your wrong about LV and in the end Draco will be the one person who makes the houses unite complete.
Shard
You know before HBP I would have said yes Draco will be a Death eater like his father before him. That sounded farmiliar... Anyways we see him bawling his eyes out to a muggleborn ghost no less and NOT to his precious Pureblood cronies or Pansy. What gives? Does this mean Draco has a chance at redemption? Was his hesitation over killing DD a true sign of his heart not in being a Death Eater or was this merely a stumble on his way to becoming the Death Eater that would make his father proud??
aromal
ya.malfoy is just misunderstoos.he is just jealous of harry and maybe his father keeps pestering him because of his continues losings in quidditch.he is arrogant-no doubt-but i think he has a double charector.i think JKR will justify his charecter in book 7.also he does'nt kill dumbledore in HBP.he just taunts harry,ron and hermione because
1.harry refused his friendship
2.he is truly jealous of harry as he takes away all the fame and almost everytime mayfoy loses to him
3.ron gets taunted as he is poor weasly to draco but still has manged to make friends with famous potter
4.maybe he is jealous of hermione because of her intelligence or he simply hates muggles
I DO HOPE JKR PROPERLY JUSTIFIES HIS CHARECTER IN BOOK 7.I LIKE IT AT TIMES.........
Snapes_Angel
QUOTE(Valley @ Jan 16 2007, 08:04 PM) [snapback]1066830[/snapback]

Dumbledore says that it is a person's choices, not how they're born, that makes them who they are. Draco was born into an evil family, yet he can still choose to be good.


I agree. Harry was raised with a family that treated him like scum; they hated him and all he represented, but he chose to rise above that. He didn't let himself turn into a person that was just like his family, because he didn't care what his family thought of him. Draco, on the other hand, has grown up wanting to make his father proud. He wanted his father to finally show him the love that he craved, but no matter what he did it was never enough. He's grown up looking for acceptance, whereas Harry was indifferent as to what his family thought of him.

Harry chose very early in life to be a good person, and to make the best choices he could. Draco chose very early in life to follow everything his parents told him. In his quest for acceptance from his father, he chose to parrot around everything his father told him about muggle-borns and about how even half-bloods are inferior to purebloods. He never thought to stop and think about utterly ridiculous those beliefs were because he was too busy trying to gain his fathers love.

In HBP, Draco is becoming his own person and he's realizing that his fathers beliefs were wrong and he's realizing that all these years he has been so busy trying to make his father proud that he's become just like him almost. Draco prides himself on being a person that isn't the same as anyone else, he wants be different from everyone else, but he's come to realize that even though thats what he wants, that he's been turning into his father with every insult he throws. Draco has made some bad choices in his short life, but in HBP we saw that he is slowly making the right choices. The bad choice would have been to have gone ahead and killed Albus. But he chose the right choice: He didn't follow through with his task, even though Voldemort had threatened to kill him and his parents. Draco has always thought that his life was more important than everyone elses, and if he had still believed that in HBP he wouldn't have let Albus live when his own life was a stake.
Shard
QUOTE(Snapes_Angel @ Jan 18 2007, 08:59 AM) [snapback]1068515[/snapback]

QUOTE(Valley @ Jan 16 2007, 08:04 PM) [snapback]1066830[/snapback]

Dumbledore says that it is a person's choices, not how they're born, that makes them who they are. Draco was born into an evil family, yet he can still choose to be good.


I agree. Harry was raised with a family that treated him like scum; they hated him and all he represented, but he chose to rise above that. He didn't let himself turn into a person that was just like his family, because he didn't care what his family thought of him. Draco, on the other hand, has grown up wanting to make his father proud. He wanted his father to finally show him the love that he craved, but no matter what he did it was never enough. He's grown up looking for acceptance, whereas Harry was indifferent as to what his family thought of him.

Harry chose very early in life to be a good person, and to make the best choices he could. Draco chose very early in life to follow everything his parents told him. In his quest for acceptance from his father, he chose to parrot around everything his father told him about muggle-borns and about how even half-bloods are inferior to purebloods. He never thought to stop and think about utterly ridiculous those beliefs were because he was too busy trying to gain his fathers love.

In HBP, Draco is becoming his own person and he's realizing that his fathers beliefs were wrong and he's realizing that all these years he has been so busy trying to make his father proud that he's become just like him almost. Draco prides himself on being a person that isn't the same as anyone else, he wants be different from everyone else, but he's come to realize that even though thats what he wants, that he's been turning into his father with every insult he throws. Draco has made some bad choices in his short life, but in HBP we saw that he is slowly making the right choices. The bad choice would have been to have gone ahead and killed Albus. But he chose the right choice: He didn't follow through with his task, even though Voldemort had threatened to kill him and his parents. Draco has always thought that his life was more important than everyone elses, and if he had still believed that in HBP he wouldn't have let Albus live when his own life was a stake.


I don't know that Draco nessarly believe's his father's in the wrong, more likely that he feels LV's way is what he is not liking. Lucius was always about subtly pulling the strings until you got what you wanted, LV is more the geurilla warfare type. Either way though Draco didn't seem to be able to stomach the thought of actually killing a person. Draco was able to talk the talk but it doesn't seem he can walk the walk. It remains to e seen if Draco will really side with Harry and the Order or if he will side with LV.

Though I still think even if he sides with Harry he's still going to be the same arrogant Draco he usualy is.
Snapes_Angel
QUOTE(Shard @ Jan 18 2007, 01:16 PM) [snapback]1068751[/snapback]

I don't know that Draco nessarly believe's his father's in the wrong, more likely that he feels LV's way is what he is not liking. Lucius was always about subtly pulling the strings until you got what you wanted, LV is more the geurilla warfare type. Either way though Draco didn't seem to be able to stomach the thought of actually killing a person. Draco was able to talk the talk but it doesn't seem he can walk the walk. It remains to e seen if Draco will really side with Harry and the Order or if he will side with LV.

Though I still think even if he sides with Harry he's still going to be the same arrogant Draco he usualy is.


I see what you're saying, but considering Lucius is following Voldemort and doing what is asked of him doesn't that sort of mean that Lucius likes the way Voldemort is doing things? That's what it means to me, and with that view of things it means that if Draco doesn't like how Voldemort is handling things that it also means Draco doesn't like how his father is handling things. Lucius believes that Voldemorts view is right and he believes that Voldemort is handling things the way they are supposed to be handled. That being said, Lucius has fed those same beliefs to Draco, so if Draco believes Voldemort is going about it wrong that means he believes his father is in the wrong as well.
mel7896
i think draco malfoy is misunderstood by is parents because they are bad so they expect him to bad , i think draco will help harry potter in the end and plus they are nearly cousin i think can some plese tell if draco is realed to harry potter thanks mel7896 tongue.gif
candyf66
Look at the Malfoy's a pure blood wizarding family for generations (we think) Lucius is practicing what he was taught etc.... Than here comes someone like LV yeahhhhh someone who understands what it should mean to be a pure blood wizard Lucius will do what he has to, to keep the power and gain more now he's thinking he's making his own dad proud. Then comes Draco he knows how his dad is butttt only to a point (remember when LV disapeered lucius said oh no I was under a curse and never tried to find LV) so now lucius has to be even badder oopps damn he got caught, Poor Draco is well my Dad I have to do this to save him or LV is going to kill him. This is when he realizes that his dad was full of it and LV way is not the way. Yes Draco will still be a "I'm better then you" type of person but now he's seen what Hate, and Death can do. Harry had to loose Sirius to realize what LV is capable of now Draco for the first time is seeing what LV is capable of. and he don't like it. He's scared for not just himself but his mother and father. I think once again it will be Draco that stands with Harry to make the Houses United and bring LV down and then I think he will walk away from his family.
Snapes_Angel
QUOTE(candyf66 @ Jan 18 2007, 06:59 PM) [snapback]1069118[/snapback]

I think once again it will be Draco that stands with Harry to make the Houses United and bring LV down and then I think he will walk away from his family.


I agree with you completely. In OOTP, The Sorting Hat says:
"For our Hogwarts is in danger
From external, deadly foes
And we must unite inside her
Or we;ll crumble from within."

Now Gryffindor, Hufflepuff, and Ravenclaw are friendly with each other; they are already united, but Slytherin is the house that causes the problems. Draco is the leader of the Slytherin students, and if he was to join forces with Harry its quite possible that the other Slytherin students would follow his lead. Considering what the Sorting Hat says about the houses uniting and the fact that Draco is the leader of the 'problem' house, I believe that in the end Draco will be the one that brings all the houses together and ends the house rivalry.

Draco is the type of person who wants to be recognized for doing something great, which is why he's so eager to be like his father because he believes that his father and Voldemort are doing the greatest thing possible, but the greatest thing that Draco could do is end a rivalry between the Hogwarts houses that has been going on for thousands of years. He would finally be recognized for doing something great, for doing something that nobody else has been able to do. I believe it would also help to being something good to the Malfoy name as well.


Shard
While I do think that the Hogwarts houses need to be united I am not sure Draco will do the uniting. I do feel that Draco may work with Harry but apart from that not promote wholeness of Hogwarts. I think it would take an Adult Slytherin to do that, unless Draco and every else does return to Hogwarts as stutdents. That's why I feel Slughorn as head of Slytherin will be a better uniter.

HOwever there is alot Draco can do to help Harry, Harry needs inside people to help him to get to Nagini for instance.
Snapes_Angel
QUOTE(Shard @ Jan 19 2007, 11:00 AM) [snapback]1069622[/snapback]

HOwever there is alot Draco can do to help Harry, Harry needs inside people to help him to get to Nagini for instance.


I agree that Draco would be a big help for Harry because he does have a dark mark, but the only issue I have with that is: Is Draco really courageous enough or strong enough to be able to stay with Voldemort while he's helping Harry? Draco is a coward, as we've seen a bunch of times, so how do we know that he has enough courage to defy Voldemort by helping Harry, while still keeping his over by pretending to follow Voldemort?

I'm a huge Draco fan, and I firmly believe he will turn to the Order and that he will survive the war, but I don't believe Draco would be willing to risk getting exposed like that by staying with Voldemort. Even Severus, who is a brillant Occulumens can't always keep his shields up; so that means that Draco, who isn't as skilled at it, wouldn't be able to keep his shields up constantly. That could be a problem. If he has all this information about the Order and if he is thinking about how he's betraying Voldemort right under his nose , and then Voldemort happens to use Legilimency on him at the moment when his shields are down, he'd be in big trouble. Voldemort would torture him and then kill him, or he could torture him and then use him to betray the Order. If Draco refused to betray the Order openly, Voldemort could use the Imperius curse and make him do it involuntarily. No matter how you look at it Draco would be in trouble as would the Order.

Shard
It is true Draco has been an coward in the past, with HBP he showed a bravery for his family. Lucius and Narcissa won't be in any less danger, probably more so. I think if Draco has risked himself for his parents he will do so again.

Can he keep up pretenses in front of Voldemort? Well if he can keep Snape out, he *might* be able to keep Voldemort out, that is if LV doesn't torture Draco which he probably will. Draco's fate still hangs in the air I think as we will see what he can do because I think he will try to keep his family safe, that's at least one positive thing I can say about Draco.

I just find it funny that your a Draco Fan and I'm a Draco hater lol
Snapes_Angel
QUOTE(Shard @ Jan 19 2007, 03:38 PM) [snapback]1069874[/snapback]

It is true Draco has been an coward in the past, with HBP he showed a bravery for his family. Lucius and Narcissa won't be in any less danger, probably more so. I think if Draco has risked himself for his parents he will do so again.

Can he keep up pretenses in front of Voldemort? Well if he can keep Snape out, he *might* be able to keep Voldemort out, that is if LV doesn't torture Draco which he probably will. Draco's fate still hangs in the air I think as we will see what he can do because I think he will try to keep his family safe, that's at least one positive thing I can say about Draco.

I just find it funny that your a Draco Fan and I'm a Draco hater lol


You do make some good points Shard. It is possible that since Draco has been able to keep Severus out of his mind, that he'll also be able to keep Voldemort out of his mind. He'll need to keep his strength up, and he'll need to make sure that he's continuously doing Occulumency though, just so Voldemort is never able to access his mind by surprise when he's around him.

I also find it funny that we are on opposite sides od the Draco fence, and yet my post was against him whereas your post was the positive one lol!

Shard
I agree Draco is going to have to really be on his guard alright, I think that's part of the suspense though don't you? Where did he go? Has he faced LV yet? Will LV kill him outright or will he be able to save some grace with the fact he got DE into Hogwarts? Ooo I'm unfogging bad me!

It is interesting as someone who doesn't like Draco has to admit that Jo has set up the possiblity for Draco to redeem himself. That bathroom scene with Mrytle was pretty touching there as was his hesitation to kill Albus. I still think however that he will be the same arrogant individual he always was and I'm not sure he'd loose his predjudices against non-purebloods. I also think he will always be loyal to his family, I think that's one positive trait he'll never lose.
Snapes_Angel
I agree that its all part of the suspense. I'm hoping that Voldemort will atleast see that something good came out of the whole thing in the end of HBP. Even though Draco wasn't the one that killed Albus, he should just be happy that someone finished him off; and he should acknowledge the fact that Draco, a 16 year old boy, was able to get Death Eaters into the castle which has always been said was impossible. That should count for something, but considering its Voldemort we're talking about, I'm not sure how much lenancy Draco will receive.

I believe that Draco will always be the same type of person he has always been, but I do believe that after everything is said and done, and he's dealt with everything that is happening to him during the war, that he'll be less likely to spout insults everytime he opens his mouth. With everything thats happening to him, he will finally get to see what its like the for muggle-borns who are being targeted by Voldemort. He'll learn to give them more credit than he has before, but he won't completely stop being who he's always been. It'll still be there, but in a lesser manner than usual.
candyf66
QUOTE(Shard @ Jan 22 2007, 01:47 PM) [snapback]1072412[/snapback]

I agree Draco is going to have to really be on his guard alright, I think that's part of the suspense though don't you? Where did he go? Has he faced LV yet? Will LV kill him outright or will he be able to save some grace with the fact he got DE into Hogwarts? Ooo I'm unfogging bad me!

It is interesting as someone who doesn't like Draco has to admit that Jo has set up the possiblity for Draco to redeem himself. That bathroom scene with Mrytle was pretty touching there as was his hesitation to kill Albus. I still think however that he will be the same arrogant individual he always was and I'm not sure he'd loose his predjudices against non-purebloods. I also think he will always be loyal to his family, I think that's one positive trait he'll never lose.

Draco had to of met LV in order to get his death mark and it was LV who tried to get him to fail with getting the DE into hogwarts. In HBP Draco was in the bathroom with Myrtle crying "if I fail he will kill me" he didn't say "he will kill my parents" Draco was worried about himself I do think however he will help in the end but as you said remain a nasty boy.
Horcruxes
i think Draco will come to the good side. he almost did in HBP.

i think he'll come to the good side, but voldemort will kill him because of that.
or maybe draco will just help harry defeat him.
candyf66
That's what I've said Draco will be the one who completes the houses together as one
Snapes_Angel
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That's what I've said Draco will be the one who completes the houses together as one


I mentioned that as well. The sorting hat has been mentioning lately that the houses need to unite in order for them to stand against whats ahead, and the only houses that really have issues with each other is Gryffindor and Slytherin. Harry is sort of the unoffical leader of the Gryffindor house, and Draco is the leader of Slytherin House. The only way that those houses would be united was if the leaders of said houses united with each other. The other house members won't even consider uniting with the other unless their leaders set an example.

Harry and Draco have had the most important 'relationship' out of everyone in their houses, so it's logical that they are the ones who will unite them.
elf/witch
i am a huge draco fan and dracos fother lucius fans less to him then draco,
he may be good i hart,we will soon know. COSE BOOK 7 IS COMING YES!!
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days will come wen we descover who is good and who is bad.

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one ring to rule them all
CindyCindy

He is a piece of work but I think he'll show true in the end.

At least I hope he does. He and his family will play some part that might be important for book 7. He won't be like Trio good but I'm hoping he helps the Trio and Company to defeat Voldemort be it information or magical assistance.
manying
...Books 1-5, made me hate him like i hated our neighbor's dog across the street....I pitied him in Book 6...He doesn't have a choice but to protect his family <or it's just my feeling>, but i really hate him, so better vanish in Book 7 <which i doubt would be possibe....just wishing...>....
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