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Iheartprofessorsnape
Well...if you can believe it we have filled up a whole thread on unanswered questions and are on to part two. Part I can be found here

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weasleyrulez
hye everyone,

i dont know whether my question have been discussed or asked before,,but you guys just have a thought about it and share your opinions alright?

im sure evryone noticed that (i wasn't sure when) DD had mentioned that he read about the death of Frank Bryce,the gardener of Riddle's mansion,(in Muggle newspaper)and seemed quite suspicious about the issues.

but the thing is,why DD himself never go and investigate the mansion given that his business all the time is to find and kill voldemort,? plus,,voldemort was very weak at that time,and of course if DD when to investigate,found voldy and his gang and immediately destroyed him when he heard about the rumour..wasn't it a simple happy ending?

no,,it just, i think it was an insult to DD when obviously,he missed this crucial point and let the worse became worst.or was there a reason for this lack of action? read.gif
Lord Montymort
I think it might have been later, that Dumbledore connected Franks deaths with the other incidents that were taking place. Also, I believe Voldemort had moved to Crouch Snr place, to free Juniour, by that time.
roonwit
Actually it would be risky for Dumbledore to investigate and wouldn't tell him much he didn't already suspect in any case. The risk is that he reveals to Voldemort how much he knows about Riddle's past, and how much he currently suspects. It is also likely that Voldemort moved or took steps to conceal himself in the aftermath of Frank Bryce's death in case any muggles or wizards came to investigate - the muggle police would almost certainly have searched the Riddle House for example.
The-T-Dane
QUOTE(weasleyrulez @ Jun 17 2008, 12:04 PM) *
im sure evryone noticed that (i wasn't sure when) DD had mentioned that he read about the death of Frank Bryce,the gardener of Riddle's mansion,(in Muggle newspaper)and seemed quite suspicious about the issues.

but the thing is,why DD himself never go and investigate the mansion given that his business all the time is to find and kill voldemort,? plus,,voldemort was very weak at that time,and of course if DD when to investigate,found voldy and his gang and immediately destroyed him when he heard about the rumour..wasn't it a simple happy ending?

no,,it just, i think it was an insult to DD when obviously,he missed this crucial point and let the worse became worst.or was there a reason for this lack of action? read.gif

If DD was taking into the equation, that LV had made horcruxes - and that Harry and LV was connected by LV's actions making Harry a "nearly"-crux, then DD would have been sure, that it would not have meant an ending to LV to go to the mansion and kill LV!
Hope it makes sense?
DD always said he was only guessing, but he also showed, that he was acting according to his own guesses!
weasleyrulez
yeah the-t-dane,,it quite makes sense,,


i juz hope that if DD actually knew or suspect the whereabout of LV in the first part of book 4,,he might be suspect sumthing about their plan or relate sumthing to junior crouch and prevent the portkey tragedy from happening,,(the brilliant plan for Harry Potter in the triwizard tournament,)


or maybe just keep the weak LV frm become 'almost human' you know,,not necessarily kill him until all the horcruxes finally destroyed,or maybe just keep an eye on that place..any thousand brilliant plans that can quickly cropped up in DD's head,,!
The-T-Dane
QUOTE(weasleyrulez @ Jun 17 2008, 02:46 PM) *
yeah the-t-dane,,it quite makes sense,,
i juz hope that if DD actually knew or suspect the whereabout of LV in the first part of book 4,,he might be suspect sumthing about their plan or relate sumthing to junior crouch and prevent the portkey tragedy from happening,,(the brilliant plan for Harry Potter in the triwizard tournament,)
or maybe just keep the weak LV frm become 'almost human' you know,,not necessarily kill him until all the horcruxes finally destroyed,or maybe just keep an eye on that place..any thousand brilliant plans that can quickly cropped up in DD's head,,!

I quite agree with you on the latter.
The only explanation to me, when I thought about the same predicament and still wanting DD to stay wise and kind (to me - like a grandfather! I need him to be the good guy notworthy.gif ), is that if LV was a truly gifted wizard, he would have known if DD showed up in the neighbourhood to spy on things. I got that idea from the time when DD and Harry was apparating to the place Slughorn lived, and DD explained to Harry why they had to "land" (disapparate - or is it the other way around?) so far from the place, and even then, Slughorn was well aware of their presence anyway.
The thing I have wondered about is DD's way of handling things, and I believe I saw a thread somewhere about that, but I haven't been able to find it lately - mainly due to lack of time!
kklji
Any plan to kill Voldemort by anyone other than Harry would fail. The prophecy states that Harry is the key to defeating Voldemort.

Lord Montymort
Also remember Harry had that piece of soul within him. Could only Voldy hit him with the AK, to get rid of it?
Laura W
"Also remember Harry had that piece of soul within him. Could only Voldy hit him with the AK, to get rid of it?"

Apparently.

From Chapter 33 of DH -
(SS): "So the boy ... the boy must die?"
(DD): "And Voldemort himself must do it, Severus. That is essential."
onespeedonly
QUOTE(Laura W @ Jun 17 2008, 12:10 PM) *
"Also remember Harry had that piece of soul within him. Could only Voldy hit him with the AK, to get rid of it?"


Apparently.

From Chapter 33 of DH -
(SS): "So the boy ... the boy must die?"
(DD): "And Voldemort himself must do it, Severus. That is essential."



Yes, I think it was essential for LV to cast the AK on Harry to rid Harry of the seventh piece of LV's soul because of the way LV had regenerated his body. He used Harry's blood so Lilly's sacrificial protection still active through LV enabled Harry not to die. Otherwise how do you detach the piece of LV's soul from Harry without killing him? After that piece of soul and the Nagini horcrux were destroyed anyone could have AK'd LV and finished him.
Laura W
I'm not so sure that only LV killing Harry could get rid of the soul bit. I think that whoever had AK'd Harry would have killed him and all that was in him. That is why Dumbledore said, in HBP, that it is risky to use a living being as a Horcrux. After all, when Neville killed Nagini he also destroyed Voldemort's soul bit in her. It wasn't necessary for Tom to kill the snake for his soul piece in her to be destroyed.

The reason, as onespeedonly pointed out, that it was imperative for Voldemort to be the one to "kill" Harry was because of their blood tie (Lily's blood) which would tether Harry to life as long as LV was alive. The AK spell would kill anything in Harry that was not Harry (ie - that foreign piece of soul); and the blood that Tom took from Harry and put into his own veins would act as Lily's protection and keep Harry himself from dying.



LW
onespeedonly
QUOTE(Laura W @ Jun 17 2008, 02:15 PM) *
I'm not so sure that only LV killing Harry could get rid of the soul bit. I think that whoever had AK'd Harry would have killed him and all that was in him.


I agree with you, LW, that if Harry were killed by anyone by any means the soul piece would be destroyed. I should have made it clear that I meant it had to be LV's AK for Harry to survive the destruction of the soul piece.
Laura W
No, you got it right in your last post. And you explained it just fine there. I should have made it clear that my post #12 was referring to Lord Montymort's statement, "Also remember Harry had that piece of soul within him. Could only Voldy hit him with the AK, to get rid of it?". I was not disagreeing with you, onespeedonly - quite the contrary -, nor was your explanation in the least unclear. I was just, in trying to help(?) answer this unanswered question, elaborating upon your point. (Big Grin)



Laura
... and people say these are simple, uncomplicated children's stories (HA!)
onespeedonly
Thanks, Laura W. And your explanation of my comment is much more clear than mine. I'm sure it is quite helpful for those who have more trouble following Dumbledore's plan for Harry.

Nothing simple or uncomplicated about these stories. So many questions! No wonder it took her 17 years. As for them being children's stories, well, my kids will have to pry them out of my hands or buy their own when they are old enough!
weasleyrulez
first of all,my english wasn,t dat good that made me possible to overlook a few crucial points in hp book.

i just want to ask,,was the three hallows meaning the unbeatable wand,resurrection stone and invisibilty cloak got nothing to do with harry's survival apart from the protection of lily's blood?im sure there was sumthing but my friend merely rejected the idea,he said that harry continued to live just because the fact that lily's blood lingered in LV's body only..

or DDmeant for the hallows to become a weapon for harry to defeat voldy?
Lord Montymort
Yes, Lily protection lingered in Voldy's body, so Harry was still protected from him. Also, Harry was the master of the Hallows, so he couldn't be killed by his own wand, which is the Elder Wand, which Voldy was using.
Ember4
So, Deathly Hallows ended with info about what happened to Harry, Ron, Hermione, Ginny, and etc after the war. BUT what happened to Luna? ponder.gif
The DA's new recruit
Luna married Rolf Scamander I think. He is a relative of Newt scamander
roonwit
She was also a magical zoologist, accepting that the crumple-horned snorkack didn't exist, but her open mind would lead her to find things that others didn't, and eventually had twin sons.
keola sombra
Rolf was also a naturalist, and Newt Salamanders(autor: fantastic beast and where to find them) grandson
ravenclaw1028
The name of her two sons are Lysander and Lorcan. She had them later than Harry/Ginny and Ron/Hermione ha their children.
Arabella Figgy Pudding
Sorry if this is the wrong forum - but I can't find my way around here.
But I do have 2-3 questions.

Why did the Weasley's have to win a trip to go to Egypt - why couldn't they just apparate?
Does it say anywhere in the books how far a person can apparate?
(Is it only possible within the boundaries of the UK - for example?)

And
How does Lucius Malfoy make a living and why is he so rich?

Thanks!
Wandguardnoodle
You've been asking so many interesting questions in here thumbup.gif

This thread is to ask questions about most of things that remain unanswered in the Harry Potter series. However, if you're interested in what magic "rules" are and how it works, a great place to discuss that is How Magic Works: Magical Theory forum.

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roonwit
QUOTE(Arabella Figgy Pudding @ Jun 24 2008, 06:44 PM) *
Why did the Weasley's have to win a trip to go to Egypt - why couldn't they just apparate?
Does it say anywhere in the books how far a person can apparate?
(Is it only possible within the boundaries of the UK - for example?)
Apparation becomes more difficult as distance increases, which is why, for example we Voldemort flying back some of the way when he is summoned back from foreign parts rather than apparating directly.
The DA's new recruit
I have a question which has had me thinking for a long time.

Why didn't James or Lily be the secret keeper of their house in Godric's Hollow,when they went into hiding, like Bill does to his house and Mr Weasley at Muriel's when they go into hiding in Deathly Hallows?

Thanks!!!
Arabella Figgy Pudding
Thanks Roonwit! I remember that Voldemort flew then apparated.
Now all I have to know is why the Malfoys are so rich.
He seems to hang around the ministry alot, but what does he do??
Perhaps we can only guess.
lucius.gif
harrydavid
QUOTE(Arabella Figgy Pudding @ Jun 25 2008, 03:50 PM) *
Thanks Roonwit! I remember that Voldemort flew then apparated.
Now all I have to know is why the Malfoys are so rich.
He seems to hang around the ministry alot, but what does he do??
Perhaps we can only guess.
lucius.gif
It seems safe to assume that he inherited it. I don't know if wizard have a way of investing their money to stay rich, but they probably do.
Arabella Figgy Pudding
That sounds probable for sure. Explains the arrogance - old money.
Thanks for your answer.
lisegreen
How come Dumbledore didn't hear the basilisk in COF? Doesn't he speak parseltongue too? conf.gif
roonwit
QUOTE(lisegreen @ Jun 27 2008, 09:04 AM) *
How come Dumbledore didn't hear the basilisk in COF? Doesn't he speak parseltongue too? conf.gif
Dumbledore doesn't have the magical ability to understand it that Harry does, so whereas Harry would hear faint words, Dumbledore would just hear a faint hissing that he probably wouldn't even notice (no-one else notices the hissing, including Ron and Hermione when they were with Harry and so should have been able to hear it). Also I suspect Dumbledore's parseltongue vocabulary is extremely limited, restricted to what he was able to deduce from the pensieve memories.
Ruggles
QUOTE
Why did the Weasley's have to win a trip to go to Egypt - why couldn't they just apparate?
Does it say anywhere in the books how far a person can apparate?
(Is it only possible within the boundaries of the UK - for example?)


Plus, they would have had to do a bunch of side-along apparitions for Ron, Ginny, the twins and Percy. That would have made it even more difficult and dangerous. They didn't even do that when they wanted to got to Diagon Ally or Platform 9 3/4. They used flu powder or cars, etc.
Anyway, presumably they would have had to pay for a place to stay, too. no?
Oomfirstclass
QUOTE(Arabella Figgy Pudding @ Jun 24 2008, 01:44 PM) *
Sorry if this is the wrong forum - but I can't find my way around here.
But I do have 2-3 questions.

Why did the Weasley's have to win a trip to go to Egypt - why couldn't they just apparate?
Does it say anywhere in the books how far a person can apparate?
(Is it only possible within the boundaries of the UK - for example?)


And
How does Lucius Malfoy make a living and why is he so rich?

Thanks!


Well, I don't know how far they CAN'T go, but I know that Percy, Charley and Bill all apparated from the Burrow to the Quidditch World Cup. Also, it was assumed that there were many other people from many other nationalities that couldn't have all taken Portkeys...
Laura W
From Quidditch Through the Ages (by Kennilworthy Whisp):

"The Development of the Racing Broom

A case in point is the Oakshaft 79. ... it will always be remembered as the broom used in the first ever Atlantic broom crossing, by Jocunda Sykes in 1935. (Before that time, wizards preferred to take ships rather than trust broomsticks over such distances. Apparition becomes increasingly unreliable over very long distances, and only highly skilled wizards are wise to attempt it across continents.)"


(bolding mine - lw)
Nath3
well roonwit,
I think the only one who can understand parseltongue is parselmouth.
And we also know that dumbledore understand parseltongue and mermish, it means that dumbledore also a parselmouth.
OK. If dumbledore wasn't a parselmouth, then how can he understand the conversation between Merope, Marvolo, Morfin in pensieve.
The only guess I have is dumbledore didn't hear basilisk voice. May be dumbledore come in a wrong time, remember, Harry didn't listen it anytime, or may be Riddle asked basilisk not to come near dumbledore. It's gonna be a trouble if dumbledore know it. And also, if Harry hear basilisk voice, Harry is going to one step closer to CoS, just like Riddle want to.
Dumbledore's Woman
Dumbledore wasn't a natural parselmouth, he just learnt some of the language. Like, just because he can speak some mermish doesn't make him a merman.

I agree with roonwit in that Dumbledore would have heard hissing rather than words (if he'd heard it at all) and wouldn't have had the time to register and translate that. In the pensieve, he knew the Gaunts were parselmouths, and was prepared for having to translate that.
weasleyrulez
hye..


i have 2 questions here..


regarding to book 4,in the first part(the flash back) it had mentioned that LV killed the Riddle family about fifty years ago..So how old exactly LV is? and lucius malfoy? i thought i read sumwhere that stated lucius was a prefect during LV Hogwart years (but im not sure what year).And if Lucius and LV is that old,what do you think how old lucius is when he had draco?? must be 40 yrs sumthing.It just i cant imagine that they were that old..


and i want to bring back a question from sumbody.why lily and james themselves didnt take the responsibility to be the secret keeper? it will be much much safer right? quite a blunder.. wink.gif
Dumbledore's Woman
I believe Lucius is younger than Voldemort - wasn't it mentioned in the pensieve that Snape was "Lucius' lapdog" or something? I may be wrong. But if that is the case then he would be a couple of years older than James and Lily, I think.

As for Voldemort, yeah he's pretty old - late sixties/early seventies, maybe? Although obviously that doesn't show in his inhuman features. Besides, Dumbledore's in his hundreds.
roonwit
Lucius was a perfect when Snape started at Hogwarts, but Voldemort is perhaps 25 years older.
As to Lily or James being secret keeper the risk is that whichever of them is the secret keeper risks giving away the secret if they ever leave the house, since it might be possible to follow a secret keeper into the property, and of course they could be forced to give up the secret if they were captured. If they were never going to leave the house (during the many years they might be hiding there), then that wouldn't be a problem, but that would mean permanently depriving the Order of two members.
josh1210
We all know that harry just dropped the stone in the dark forest, so what if an LV supporter somehow found out about it and brought back LV and LV made anther potion like in Gof and regained a body? ( I know it says in the books that a wizard wouldn't want to come back but maybe LV would)
phoenix call
They dont belong on earth when they have died so i dont think he could come back fully enough to regain a body. but i do think he could be brought back temporarily in the form of what harry's parents did. though i think the only person who would really want him back enough to do this would be bella, but since she died i dont see it as being likely.
cooncatbob
Professor McGonagall love for the noble game of Quidditch is well known.
Instead of punishing Harry for breaking Madame Hooch directive to stay on the ground she recruited him for the Gryffindor Quidditch team.
Minerva McGonagall was a student at Hogwarts form 1937 to 1944.
Was she ever a speedy seeker or chaser? Or maybe she wasn't a good enough flyer to make the squad. So she had to settle for being a fan of her house team. Gryf flag.gif
Mellynnf
I have been wondering if Harry ever told a reporter besides Rita what really happened with DD.
About his sister really being a witch, but because of what muggles did to her, she couldn't preform magic properly. Then how DD's father attacked the muggles who hurt his daughter. Did the trio admit that they knew DD had a connection to Grimwauld.

I wonder what the reaction in the magical world would be. I think they would believe Harry. Some people would be upset by this (Rita being the number one person), but I think a lot of people would understand why DD did what he did. What do you think.
Dancing Mooncalf
I think with Aberforth still alive HRH wouldn't feel that it was their place to talk of it. It would be up to Aberforth really if he wanted to straighten the story out, which I don't think he would. Harry might debase some of the junk Rita wrote that explicitly pertained to his self or his own relationship with Dumbledore but I don't think he'd openly speak of the Arianna/Grindelwald situation unless in the most basic ways, like if he was specifically asked what he thought of Rita's interpretation in private?
josh1210
maybe LV could find a way to come back (their will always be at least one supporter left) after being brought back by the ressurrection stone. After all, maybe crossing over to the other side taught him some new tricks, or if you don't like that angle maybe Lv,because of who he was,could find a way if brought back for long enough by the stone
harry27
Question: In the deathly hallows on p. 738, j.k. rowling said harry kept LV at bay by one final secret... But she didn't make it clear what the secret was... Can you tell me what the final secret was if it was revealed?
roonwit
QUOTE(harry27 @ Jul 12 2008, 04:57 AM) *
Question: In the deathly hallows on p. 738, j.k. rowling said harry kept LV at bay by one final secret... But she didn't make it clear what the secret was... Can you tell me what the final secret was if it was revealed?
It was the prospect that Harry might know a final secret that was keeping Voldemort from attacking. I think you could say the secret was Harry's knowledge was the true master of the Elder wand. Harry's protection also includes the consequences of Lily's sacrifice, and possibly his own sacrifice as well, but this isn't really a secret as Voldemort knows about it - he just doesn't understand it enough to realise what the implications are.
cully
QUOTE(onespeedonly @ Jun 17 2008, 10:14 PM) *
QUOTE(Laura W @ Jun 17 2008, 02:15 PM) *
I'm not so sure that only LV killing Harry could get rid of the soul bit. I think that whoever had AK'd Harry would have killed him and all that was in him.


I agree with you, LW, that if Harry were killed by anyone by any means the soul piece would be destroyed. I should have made it clear that I meant it had to be LV's AK for Harry to survive the destruction of the soul piece.




But since Lily's protection in Voldemort's blood acted like a horcrux, would Harry not have survived any murder attempt as long as Voldemort lived?
Or is this something DD didn't dare gamble upon, because it was something unknown in the wizarding world? Perhaps DD thought that it would be better if Voldemort would cast the killing curse, because the magic of Lily's protection in both Harry's and Voldie's blood could run through the light of the curse, like electricity through a wire or a lightning bolt?
The elder wand couldn't have anything to do with it yet because DD still had it and he planned to make it powerless.


Another burning question of mine: Why don't we ever see anything of Ron's strategic talents? At age 12 he was the best chess player at Hogwarts. Which means he is very good at planning ahead. But when they plan to infiltrate the ministry to take the locket back from Umbitch, it seems that Harry and Hermione do most of the strategic work. And when they plan to rob the bank it's Harry and Griphook.
theotherhermit
Here are a couple of bits regarding Dumbledore's understanding of Parseltongue, which was being discussed on the previous page:

QUOTE
Delailah: How does Dumbledore understand Parseltongue?
J.K. Rowling: Dumbledore understood Mermish, Gobbledegook and Parseltongue. The man was brilliant. […]
(J.K. Rowing and the Live Chat, Bloomsbury.com, July 30, 2007)


QUOTE
Q: Since Ron is able to speak Parseltongue in the last book, does that mean that parseltongue is a language that most witches and wizards can learn or must a person be born with some ability to speak Parseltongue?
JKR: I don't see it really as a language you can learn. So few people speak it that who would teach you? This is a weird ability passed down through the Slytherin blood line. However Ron was with Harry when he said one word in Parseltongue, which I do not know so I cannot duplicate for you, but he heard him say "Open," and he was able to reproduce the sound. So it was one word. Whether he could learn to speak to snakes properly is a separate issue. I don't think he could. But he knew enough, he was smart enough, to duplicate one necessary sound.[…]
(“J. K. Rowling at Carnegie Hall Reveals Dumbledore is Gay; Neville Marries Hannah Abbott, and Much More” Posted by: Edward at TLC, October 19, 2007)


So then, was Dumbledore able to learn to understand the language, without having the actual ability to speak it?
hufflemuffinx
Yeah, i know he's dead. but i was wondering how. not like how "oh yeah well he fell through the veil and died" but i dont know if bellatrix used avade kedavra or if she sent a curse at him that made him fall through and die. looking for help!
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