What moment will be Harry's darkest moment in DH?, Will Harry simply be the boy who lived, or will he get to be the boy w |
 Jun 16 2007, 11:03 PM
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Flesh-Eating-Slug Catcher  Posts: 157 Joined: 11:31pm May 29, 2007 Location: United States, Illinois  |
I have been re-reading the HP series (just finished POA), and it occured to me that Harry's darkest moments in each novel are NOT the moments where he must face LV. As readers, WE look forward to the climactic moments where Harry must once again face off vs. Voldemort, but these are not the darkest moments in the storyline for Harry; not from HIS point of view. I think the fact that Harry's bogart changes into a dementor instead of LV proves my point about this.
His darkest moment in SS is difficult to pinpoint, but here is my thought. From Harry's point of view, it was so exciting to see his parents and family in the Mirror of Erised that it became an unhealthy "addiction" for him, and like all unhealthy addictions, very difficult to give up. It had to feel like he was losing his parents all over again. I think his experiences with the mirror, while good at first, became Harry's darkest moment in this novel because it reminded him so starkly of his loss. In CoS, the real terror for Harry was the possibility of losing Ginny and seeing her so near death. (There were many frightening moments, but have you ever noticed that Harry handles the scary moments really well? They rarely affect him for long.) In PoA, Harry is given the gift of a godparent who wants Harry to live with him only to have that gift taken away soon after. More loss. In GoF, the darkest moment is Cedric's death and having to get back to the tournament grounds with his body. Again, Harry faces loss. Harry has many dark moments in OotP; it is a dark book, but his final loss of Sirius tops them all. And we end in HBP with the loss of Albus Dumbledore, probably the biggest loss Harry has had to face so far, with the exception of his parents. Which finally leads to my two main questions... 1) If, from Harry's point of view, his darkest moments have all involved the loss of someone precious to him, what event do you think will prove to be Harry's darkest moment in DH? If this pattern of loss continues, who will he lose? 2) Do you think, in the end, that Harry will simply be "the boy who lived", or will he have finally earned the right to be "the boy who lived happily ever after"? This post has been edited by lothlorien: Jun 17 2007, 01:11 AM -------------------- Lothlorien
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Jun 16 2007, 11:16 PM
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Disgruntled House-Elf at The Leaky Cauldron Posts: 435 Joined: 9:35pm May 10, 2007 Location: Stocking up on tissues.. I'll be needing them soon me thinks. UK. |
Ooooh. Great topic.
QUOTE(lothlorien @ Jun 17 2007, 05:03 AM) [snapback]1260103[/snapback] 1) If, from Harry's point of view, his darkest moments have all involved the loss of someone precious to him, what event do you think will prove to be Harry's darkest moment in DH? If this pattern of loss continues, who will he lose? I have a horrible feeling it'll be Molly he loses this time round. Or Lupin, but Molly would have more of an impact. I think it would spur the weasleys into action too. I don't care how powerful Voldemort thinks he is. He'd be foolish to fight 8 angry weasleys, Harry & Hermione. QUOTE(lothlorien @ Jun 17 2007, 05:03 AM) [snapback]1260103[/snapback] 2) Do you think, in the end, that Harry will simply be "the boy who lived", or will he have finally earned the right to be "the boy who lived happily ever after"? Wow. Powerful question there. I don't believe there is ever "Happily Ever Afters".. I'm not saying the book won't have a happyish ending, but not happily ever after. -------------------- "Life is like a box of Bertie Botts Every Flavour Beans. You never know what you're gonna get." |
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Jun 17 2007, 01:39 AM
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WeasleyCast's Hostess With The Mostest Posts: 6,606 Joined: 2:44am February 20, 2006 Location: At The Burrow taking cooking lessons from Molly  |
Very nice thread
 QUOTE 1) If, from Harry's point of view, his darkest moments have all involved the loss of someone precious to him, what event do you think will prove to be Harry's darkest moment in DH? If this pattern of loss continues, who will he lose? This is a very scary question. We have threads in here that ask who we think will die, and we have individual character threads where we might predict the survival of a certain character, but this question is quite thought-provoking. For me personally, I don't think the darkest moment for Harry will be loss/death of a loved one. I think Harry is going to have to dig deep within himself to unlock his secret power. One of the reasons I am such a huge fan of the Snape redemption/Harry forgiveness thread is because one of the questions is "Does Harry need to forgive Snape?" I realize this is not the place to debate that, but I think issues like this are going to have to be addressed by Harry and dealt with before he has any chance of all at succeeding. I think this time, Harry is going to have to battle the potential darkness within himself and this will be some of the darker moments for him in DH. QUOTE 2) Do you think, in the end, that Harry will simply be "the boy who lived", or will he have finally earned the right to be "the boy who lived happily ever after"? This is another hotly debated topic. Some people say that if Harry lives happily ever after, or even lives, then the story will be ruined for them. Others say that anything but Harry living and being happy will ruin the story. Obviously, not all of us are going to be happy or agree with the ending, but my personal opinion is that it would be a shame to have Lily and James' sacrifice end up with their son dying anyway. When you think about it, it doesnt just stop with James and Lily. Sirius and Dumbledore have also laid down their lives so Harry can go on. All of us -- no matter who we are or what our backgrounds are --deserve a happily ever after, and I hope Harry gets his as well.-------------------- |
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Jun 17 2007, 02:00 PM
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Flesh-Eating-Slug Catcher Posts: 157 Joined: 11:31pm May 29, 2007 Location: United States, Illinois |
Thanks for the nice words in your posts.
 SoonerGryffindor, don't you think Harry could lose someone? Jo did say two characters would die in DH (and one was given a reprieve).  I hate to say it, Becci__Screaaam, but Molly is a character I have also worried about Harry losing in DH. Harry certainly loves all the Weasleys, but Jo has made a point of developing an almost mother and adopted son relationship between Molly and Harry, esp. in OotP and HBP. Her loss would be huge from his perspective. 
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Jun 17 2007, 04:59 PM
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Being Eaten by the Pea Soup Posts: 18 Joined: 10:51am April 23, 2007 Location: under the cloak |
QUOTE(lothlorien @ Jun 17 2007, 05:03 AM) [snapback]1260103[/snapback] 1) If, from Harry's point of view, his darkest moments have all involved the loss of someone precious to him, what event do you think will prove to be Harry's darkest moment in DH? If this pattern of loss continues, who will he lose? I personally think his darkest moment will be a loss but i also think it will be his best moment becase it will be when he has to murder voldy. 2) Do you think, in the end, that Harry will simply be "the boy who lived", or will he have finally earned the right to be "the boy who lived happily ever after"? I think and really hope that he is "the boy who lived happily ever after" it would be a great end to all the sad losses in the books. *Edited by moderator to fix quotes* This post has been edited by Seven of Nine: Jun 17 2007, 08:02 PM |
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Jun 17 2007, 05:32 PM
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Just Through the Brick Wall Posts: 5 Joined: 10:10am June 8, 2007 |
Hey, great thread.
To lothlorien, I don't have the quote to hand but didn't JK say that 2 characters died that she hadn't expected to. This dosen't nessicarly mean only to will die and it will prob be more as they were just ones that she wasn't expecting to kill off. there could be any number that die but the rest were all planned originally apart from thouse 2. That means in theory that there will prob be more than 1 character that dies or is "lost" by harry to spur him on more for his ultimate ending. I could be toatally wrong so please correct me if I am about the quote. with the happily ever after though, at the moment it could go either way and so i'm holding out for DH and whichever way it goes its gonna be a great book. only 34 days left!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
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Jun 17 2007, 05:37 PM
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The Talking Mirror in Room 7 Posts: 1,755 Joined: 10:05pm April 17, 2005 Location: Talking back to the mirror |
I've been thinking for some time about what kind of loss Harry will face in the final book. First of all, I believe he will live. That being said, he must also suffer because he has all through the books and JKR has repeatedly said that she wouldn't want to be Harry. So, it has to be something life-changing, I think.
I believe Harry will be blinded during his defeat of Voldemort. Throughout the books he has been given something that makes his life worth living only to have it snatched away. He's always looked to Hogwarts as his true home but it seems at the end of book six that he will have to go on a journey that won't include returning to the school as a pupil. Harry wants to be an auror. He's incredibly gifted in fighting the dark arts and he has a passion to continue that work. When he's asked to think of a happy moment in his life by Lupin, in order to work the patronus charm, he remembers flying for the first time. He considers this his major talent. If Harry is blinded it will probably curtail both his ambition to be an auror and his ability to fly alone. So, he will survive but be faced with a life robbed of his greatest passions - he will believe for a while. This is where Ginny comes in. She's going to have to be Jane Eyre to his Rochester. -------------------- Founding member of A.D.D.S. (Admirers of Dearly Departed/Deliciously Divine Sirius)
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Jun 17 2007, 06:03 PM
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Just Through the Brick Wall Posts: 10 Joined: 4:44pm February 21, 2007 |
i have a terrible feeling that Hagrid is going to die in this book protecting Harry. Throughout the series, we have seen Harry lose people who are like family to him-Sirius and Dumbledore. That would make me think that there's a possiblity that he will lose another person who has been almost like a parent to him as well as a friend. Hopefully I'm wrong...
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Jun 17 2007, 06:07 PM
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Leaky Cauldron Napkin Folder Posts: 3,417 Joined: 3:30pm April 5, 2007 Location: In my Gringott's vault. The ride made me kind of....*turns green* |
Really great topic
QUOTE(lothlorien @ Jun 16 2007, 11:03 PM) [snapback]1260103[/snapback] I have been re-reading the HP series (just finished POA), and it occured to me that Harry's darkest moments in each novel are NOT the moments where he must face LV. As readers, WE look forward to the climactic moments where Harry must once again face off vs. Voldemort, but these are not the darkest moments in the storyline for Harry; not from HIS point of view. I think the fact that Harry's bogart changes into a dementor instead of LV proves my point about this. His darkest moment in SS is difficult to pinpoint, but here is my thought. From Harry's point of view, it was so exciting to see his parents and family in the Mirror of Erised that it became an unhealthy "addiction" for him, and like all unhealthy addictions, very difficult to give up. It had to feel like he was losing his parents all over again. I think his experiences with the mirror, while good at first, became Harry's darkest moment in this novel because it reminded him so starkly of his loss. In CoS, the real terror for Harry was the possibility of losing Ginny and seeing her so near death. (There were many frightening moments, but have you ever noticed that Harry handles the scary moments really well? They rarely affect him for long.) In PoA, Harry is given the gift of a godparent who wants Harry to live with him only to have that gift taken away soon after. More loss. In GoF, the darkest moment is Cedric's death and having to get back to the tournament grounds with his body. Again, Harry faces loss. Harry has many dark moments in OotP; it is a dark book, but his final loss of Sirius tops them all. And we end in HBP with the loss of Albus Dumbledore, probably the biggest loss Harry has had to face so far, with the exception of his parents. Which finally leads to my two main questions... 1) If, from Harry's point of view, his darkest moments have all involved the loss of someone precious to him, what event do you think will prove to be Harry's darkest moment in DH? If this pattern of loss continues, who will he lose? QUOTE 2) Do you think, in the end, that Harry will simply be "the boy who lived", or will he have finally earned the right to be "the boy who lived happily ever after"? I don't think that it will be a fairy tale 'happily ever after'. I think that Harry will live and so will Ginny, but he will lose so many close friends that he will be distraught and definately no a happily ever after.  33 days 
This post has been edited by sherman: Jun 17 2007, 06:08 PM -------------------- "If you believed as he did. Could you take away his soul?" ~Carlisle, New Moon   Thanks to {{voldy}} for the awesome siggies! |
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Jun 17 2007, 06:32 PM
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Perusing the Magical Menagerie Posts: 97 Joined: 2:06pm June 8, 2007 |
Very sadly I'm now starting to think Luna might be the second character that dies. JK never named those two other characters she would have over for dinner because she wasn't sure if she could invite dead people. And she's said that luna's her new favorite character (or one of them, I don't remember). So maybe that's why??? Mrs. Weasley does seem like a pretty good candidate too. Maybe she sacrifices herself in some way to protect the rest of her family? I mean, losing them is her greatest fear, so . . . and Luna would sort of be back with her mum . . . Oh no, it all fits!!! *runs away crying*
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