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 Mar 21 2007, 08:02 AM
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QUOTE(Befuddled Muggle @ Mar 14 2007, 08:52 AM) [snapback]1136887[/snapback] I have never seen the map of Hogsmeade before and it's giving me a problem. 1. I never imagined that the Shrieking Shack would be that central. I always thought of it being remote, near but not in Hogsmeade. Why would Dumbledore take the time to distance Lupin from the other students for his and their safety, only to place him in Hogsmeade near others? 2.Why, if Hogsmeade station is situated as it appears on the map, do Harry and co. not mention/see the village on their way to school. In POA Harry and co. state that they have never been there before? Nobody mentions the station being on the journey to and from school during Hogsmeade visits either! I guess I'm being pedantic. I think the map makes sense. The lake is right behind the station and that is how the first years get to the castle, so the carriages would be taking the students down the road as soon as they got off the train. The only thing they would really see would be buildings in the background, the station isn't close enough to see many details. There is really no reason to mention passing the station on trips to Hogsmeade. As for the shrieking shack, I think what sets the shrieking shack apart from the village is its on a small hill. That would make it seem somewhat seperate. When Harry visits Hogsmeade they visit the shrieking shack and there is no mention of them having to walk very far. Dumbledore took care to board the shrieking shack up to keep Lupin in and others out (I'm assuming he used more than just nails) and then when villagers started to say it was haunted he encouraged the rumors to really keep people away. --------------------   Avatar is an oldie but goodie from Strix Witch Icons (livejournal) |
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Mar 22 2007, 08:27 PM
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Eeylops Owl Cage Cleaner  Posts: 236 Joined: 12:36pm October 25, 2006 Location: New Jersey |
QUOTE Why is this the only all wizarding settlement in all of Britian? Hogsmeade (named of course for Hogwarts) is a settlement built to serve a castle, as were many towns in the middle ages (when Hogwarts was founded). The goblins would naturally have attacked the great wizard castle, hence the battle in Hogsmeade. It's the only one presumably because dispersal aids invisibility. An exception is made for Hogwarts, which is large and important enough to need a whole town to support it. Hogsmeade has many shops and two inns Hogwarts is a temporary home to nearly all wizard children. Government officials, parents, and even perhaps tourists must come there for short stays. Since you can't apparate within Hogwart's grounds, Hogwarts visitors presumably need to come to Hogsmeade first before they make their visit. I'd doubt that the train runs above twice a year, given the effort involved in shielding it over such a long distance, and all the trouble over platform 9 3/4. I've been looking at the map, and it makes me think. Hogsmeade would be a logical place for people curious about wizard history to come (aside from Professor Binns of course, who isn't really alive at all). There really ought to be a museum, shouldn't there? Hmm. This post has been edited by Velse: Mar 22 2007, 08:33 PM -------------------- How will you learn if you don't read Scribbulus? Emily and Nina
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Mar 25 2007, 09:31 AM
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Waiting for Wednesdays  Posts: 9,326 Joined: 7:57am January 28, 2005 Location: Hiding from Hurricanes |
QUOTE(Velse @ Mar 22 2007, 08:27 PM) [snapback]1149192[/snapback] QUOTE Why is this the only all wizarding settlement in all of Britian? Hogsmeade (named of course for Hogwarts) is a settlement built to serve a castle, as were many towns in the middle ages (when Hogwarts was founded). The goblins would naturally have attacked the great wizard castle, hence the battle in Hogsmeade. It's the only one presumably because dispersal aids invisibility. An exception is made for Hogwarts, which is large and important enough to need a whole town to support it. Hogsmeade has many shops and two inns Hogwarts is a temporary home to nearly all wizard children. Government officials, parents, and even perhaps tourists must come there for short stays. Since you can't apparate within Hogwart's grounds, Hogwarts visitors presumably need to come to Hogsmeade first before they make their visit. I'd doubt that the train runs above twice a year, given the effort involved in shielding it over such a long distance, and all the trouble over platform 9 3/4. I've been looking at the map, and it makes me think. Hogsmeade would be a logical place for people curious about wizard history to come (aside from Professor Binns of course, who isn't really alive at all). There really ought to be a museum, shouldn't there? Hmm. I've been curious about the names - Hogwarts, Hogsmead, and Hogs Head. I know that names in JK's world are generally picked for a reason, as are many of the names of real life settlements. I also think that, since so many of the important places in Harry's history are located here, Hogsmeade is more important then just a retreat from regular school activities. I looked at Hogs Head, as that is where Trelawney made the prophecy regarding Harry, we've also seen Aberforth at The Hog's Head, and I can't help but feel this is one of those little mentionings that turns out to be a "Things hidden in plain site." The sign, which has a severed head of a boar (dripping blood and all) fascinated me. Primarily because, as a Lit major I've read enough of all of the various mythologies to recognize a vague reference to a sacrifice to Odin. (the Norse God of War) Odin (also called Wodin) stood for blood sacrifice. Nightly, Odin's cook would prepare a meal for the dead warriors of the Valhalla. They were fed a Wild Boar called Sæhrimnir. While the meat invigorated the dead warriors, the Saehrimnir had the ability to rejuvenate itself. After cooking and eating the boar, it would become whole once again to be cooked for the next evening. (disgusting, I know, but interesting) I think Hogsmead is set up to be this fun place where the students can relax, but I do feel that this is a place that will prove to be important to the end of Harry's epic. Has anyone else found any significance in the naming of Hogsmead? What about the other places we know of in Hogsmeade, what could be there that could help us figure out what might be in store for Harry? --------------------  My Avon Breast Cancer Walk Page and Blog! I'm In It to End It! |
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Mar 25 2007, 11:43 AM
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Butterbeer Connoisseur  Posts: 1,498 Joined: 9:09am July 15, 2005 Location: behind one of the revolving doors |
It would also be interesting to note which place TR visited when he was a student. I know Dd said it's hard to get information from people but when there is a significant death people tend to talk more. I see TR being a more shrieking shack or hogshead kid because he wouldn't want to go where others would go. Also, Zonkos would be too much laughter and fun.
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Mar 25 2007, 08:24 PM
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Perusing the Magical Menagerie Posts: 82 Joined: 4:46pm March 5, 2006 Location: the Fab Forest |
Hi Doris TLC,
You are wondering about the possible significance of the names "Hogwarts",etc. I had looked them up a while ago in Brewer's and the Oxford dictionaries and found the following: Hog. A pig, properly a castrated male raised solely for slaughter and killed young. The origin of the word is uncertain, but it probably came into English from Celtic. The name is also applied to a sheep in its first year that has yet to be shorn. In general colloquial use, a hog is a gluttonous,greedy or unmannered person. Hogshead. A large cask. A liquid or dry measure, usually about 50 imperial gallons. Reason for the name, unknown. Mead. An alcoholic drink of fermented honey and water. A meadow. Wart. A small benign growth on the skin. An objectionable person. An army name for a second lieutenant, from the single 'pip' or badge of rank on his shoulders. Warts and all. Said of a description , biography or the like that seeks to give a rounded portrait, including the blemishes and defects. The Boar. Richard III Boar's head. The English custom of serving this as a Christmas dish is said to derive from Norse mythology. Freyr, the god of peace and plenty , rode the boar Gullinbursti. His festival was held at Yuletide, when a boar was sacrificed in his honor. The Boar's Head Tavern. An inn immortalized by Shakespeare and Prince Hal, and formerly standing in Eastcheap. It was destroyed in the Great Fire of London, but was rebuilt. I remember a post I made somewhere in TLC mentioning the magically refilling cauldron of the great hall of Valhalla; and yes, it was the lovely boar stew---oh, yummy! I have also noticed recent posts in the Alchemy forum re: the significance of the head, skull, etc. in the Celtic world. I'm not sure about the "sacrificial" aspect of the "Hog"...not too cheerful...anyway, hope this helps somehow. --------------------  I took off my shoes and walked into the woods I felt lost and found with every step I took -- Conor Oberst |
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