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Posted by: Seven of Nine May 11 2009, 02:24 PM

From the last post in http://www.leakylounge.com/Wheel-Time-Series-t28285.html&st=490#entry1782423:

QUOTE(Shard @ May 11 2009, 01:10 PM)

Posted by: Shard May 11 2009, 07:08 PM

Has anyone read the exerpt of what will be on the cover?

A Memory of Light was partially finished by Robert Jordan before his untimely passing in 2007. Brandon Sanderson, New York Times bestselling author of the Mistborn books, was chosen by Jordan’s editor—his wife, Harriet McDougal—to complete the final book. The scope and size of the novel was such that it can not be contained in a single volume, and so Tor proudly presents A Memory of Light: Gathering Clouds as the first in a short sequence of novels that will complete the struggle against the Shadow, bringing to a close a journey begun almost twenty years ago and marking the conclusion of the Wheel of Time, the preeminent fantasy epic of our era.

Posted by: Seven of Nine May 12 2009, 12:36 PM

Whoa! That's great to know, Shard!

I was wondering when the Seachan attacking the White Tower would take place. I hadn't thought it would be this early. Somehow I figured with Tuon heading back to take control in the homeland that she'd take her troops with her. But it makes sense for them to all eventually come under Rand. Considering how they feel about women touching the One Power, imagine what they'll think of Rand.

We've had how many of the main characters have contact with the Seanchan? Nynaeve and Elayne (and Mat) have met that one Seanchan who was traveling with the circus. Surely she'll be brought back. Perrin worked with the Seanchan to get Faile back. Mat is now married to the Seanchan Empress. Anybody else?

Posted by: Shard May 12 2009, 06:48 PM

I think Galad may have had to fight them at one point in getting all those Whitecloaks out of Amadica.

I can't wait to see Rand meet with Perrin and Mat and learn about the dealings they have had with the Seachan. Mat marrying the Empress of them no less!

Posted by: Seven of Nine May 12 2009, 10:19 PM

Good point about Galad. I keep forgetting him, but he must have something to do besides be Rand's unknown half brother. That still makes me smile that Elayne and Rand (unrelated) have the same half brother.

I was just listening to the part where Tom goes after the Half Man to save Rand and Mat. When you think about it, he's really grown a lot himself. He was a bit like Mat at first not wanting to get involved and yet always getting involved, all the while denying it. While what happened to his nephew Owen was the initial motivation to help the boys, Tom seemed to get very close to Moiraine--enough that he's going to be one of the ones to go and get her back from the dead. That's pretty serious dedication for someone who didn't trust Aes Sedai at all in the beginning (though willing to accept their help).

Posted by: Shard May 13 2009, 06:06 AM

Well Galad's purpose so far seems to be leading the WC contingent and for Rand as well. I am really wanting to see a scene where Galad explains how he got the two most rabid dogs to heel and agree to fight FOR the Dragon.

Thom seems like one of those characters that grumbles about the trouble they keep getting mixed in. I think it's just built up for Thom over the books to the point where he thinks it's just the right thing to do.

Posted by: Seven of Nine May 14 2009, 03:10 PM

I just reached the part where Rand first meets Loial, and it reminded me that the Seanchan have Ogier warriors. That must mean there are steddings in Seanchan. For some reason I'd just always assumed the steddings were just on the main continent.

Something else I didn't pay attention to once I was in the later books, was that Morgase already had problems with her subjects before Rahvin seduced her and changed how she ruled.

Posted by: Shard May 15 2009, 05:25 AM

Yeah the Ogier in Seachan are called the Gardener's and they tend to like using Axes. There alot less nicer then then Randland Ogier, they don't have the longing and so don't need the Stedding's as much if at all.

Any problems with Morgase's rule though were minor until Rahvin aka Gabril came along.

Posted by: Seven of Nine May 16 2009, 10:15 AM

Well, I just found it interesting that they also had Ogier. Makes me wonder if they took some with them, captured them on their way, or if there were Ogier where they set up their empire. And what will they think when they see their brethren?

In the book, I'm at the point where the group is in Shienar preparing to go into the Blight, and I was particularly taken with how everyone called Lan Dai Shan (battle lord) and vehemently wanted him to take up his and fly the Golden Crane again. It's making me really excited to see the size of the army that ends up coming to him as he makes that little trek Nynaeve set him on.

But I also remembered that Agelmar's wife is a darkfriend, and I cannot remember if she was ever caught or could still play a role.

Posted by: Shard May 16 2009, 11:25 PM

They were always there, they had ready access to the steddings so they never went through the Longing. They just evolved into colder, meaner and darker versions of the Randland variety.

I don't remember a wife, I know he had a sister I think... It's been awhile..

Posted by: Seven of Nine May 17 2009, 06:16 AM

You're right about no wife--it's his sister. I hadn't gotten to that part of the book yet when I posted previously. But I'm wondering if we're done with her yet or I've just forgotten--like what happened with Rand's heron-marked sword.

Posted by: Shard May 17 2009, 10:22 AM

Well as for the Heron Marked sword it's not so much forgotten but done with. The sword was destroyed down to the hilt, what further use did Rand have for it?

I'm frankly dissapointed with Agelmar in general, I really expected him to do and say more in defense of Rand and it seems like he's just taking a back seat or something. I think at the time I read about Agelmar's sister I thought her being a DF was a lie or red herring. Afterall it was Ingtar who let Padan Fain in and it was Liandrain who freed him. So I don't think his sister was actually a DF.

Posted by: Seven of Nine May 29 2009, 09:25 AM

Yes, once Rand had declared I also expected to hear something from Agelmar.

I'm on the second book now, and I'm curious about something Verin said. You know how Moiraine said to Egwene that someday she could even be the Amyrlin. When Verin was talking with Nynaeve, she started to say something about how strong the two women wilders were and was talking about how far they could go. She started to say something like Nynaeve especially could . . . and Verin broke off. It made me curious if Aes Sedai see power differently or this was a hint that Nynaeve could go to the top (because Egwene will die, since she's the Amyrlin?).

But I kind of feel that Nynaeve has a new focus since she's married Lan, and I'm really hoping he will bring his kingdom back.

ETA: I got to the part in The Great Hunt where Min and Egwene first meet. Elayne mentions that Min "saw" that Elayne would have to share her husband with two other women. Hmmm . . . Elayne and Rand haven't married yet. Does this bode well for Rand surviving, since I'm not sure there'd be time before the end for them to get together and wed? Of course, if we're looking at 3 more books with about 300,000 pages each who knows what could happen!

Posted by: Shard May 30 2009, 10:58 AM

Well the Aes Sedai do have that whole defering to people who have more Power then others. However they could have meant that Nynaeve could be Amyrlin. I don't think Egwene will be dying though. It's possible that if Lan brings back Malkier that Nyn will be it's queen along with Lan being the king of it.

Posted by: Seven of Nine May 30 2009, 12:57 PM

Yes, I'm really hoping that happens.

And that brings up something else that I wondered about today, when I got to the part where Rand finds Thom alive. Thom inquired if Moiraine was with Rand, and when Rand said she was not, Thom was disappointed and started to say that she was a fine woman and then broke off. Now the storylines have been leading to more and more Aes Sedai connecting with men. We've already got Nynaeve and Lan married, then there's that fire going between Siuan and Gareth Bryne. Plus Leane is always interested in men now. We have Egwene probably getting together with Gawyn, and of course Elayne as a Queen needs to have a hubby. So, with Moiraine asking Thom to come and bring her back from the "dead" could there end up being more between them later?

Posted by: Shard May 30 2009, 05:32 PM

Yes there definatly is, there was a scene where Moraine told Nynaeve, Egwene and I think Elayne that she knew the face of the man she would marry better then any of those three knew theirs. Which was interesting since by that point we have confirmation of who all three are into, though I think Egwene/Gawyn may not have been as certain. Though we did know Nyn/Lan and Elyane/Rand.

Yes I always thought the Aes Sedai not getting married and having children was silly. I mean I am sure they don't all want to do so or have to but it would have been good if more did then not. The Randland world is stepping closer to healing that gap the Taint had caused between men and women.

Posted by: Seven of Nine Jun 1 2009, 08:05 PM

Something I totally forgot about was Egwene's affinity for identifying metals--Earth. It's something that men were especially strong at. That has to be important for something coming or why even mention it?

ETA: I'm at the part in GH where Mat blows the horn and the Heroes of the Horn. Some impressions: They mention Gaidal Cain (Brigitte's love). If he comes out of the horn, doesn't that mean he can't be alive again yet? So if it's only been a couple of years between EotW and KoD, that's not enough time, right? But the WoT Encyclopedia says he disappears from Tel'aran'rhiod and has been reborn. So he has been reborn, but I don't think he's old enough to be that kid Mat takes under his wing.

Also, isn't it interesting that Artur Hawkwing is among the Heroes of the Horn who oust his descendants from Falma?

Oh, and I've wondered for a while--if Egwene can't make cuendillar, why couldn't she fix the seals on the Dark One's prison?

Hmmm . . . and Uno says to Rand that when the Dragon is reborn he will break all oaths. If that's true, could it also be oaths made with the Aes Sedai oath rod?

I'm also curious about how Lan's cousin and Rand's uncle are both facets of Slayer.

Posted by: Shard Jun 2 2009, 09:54 PM

QUOTE(Seven of Nine @ Jun 1 2009, 09:05 PM)

ETA: I'm at the part in GH where Mat blows the horn and the Heroes of the Horn. Some impressions: They mention Gaidal Cain (Brigitte's love). If he comes out of the horn, doesn't that mean he can't be alive again yet? So if it's only been a couple of years between EotW and KoD, that's not enough time, right? But the WoT Encyclopedia says he disappears from Tel'aran'rhiod and has been reborn. So he has been reborn, but I don't think he's old enough to be that kid Mat takes under his wing.

Posted by: Harrys Horntail Jun 2 2009, 10:31 PM

My hubby is almost on book 8, so he's almost letting me start reading the series again. He thinks that if he's that far ahead I won't overtake him this time like I usually do.

I was thinking that the strength in earth may be important to the making of Cuendillar. I dunno, they change iron into it, right? Or some metal anyway, so I always assumed that it was the aes sedai who were strong in earth that made it, and that's why it had been a dying art. Since in the Age of Legends it was men who mostly had strength in that power, and the women slowly lost the knowledge because it wasn't something they were generally good at.

Posted by: Seven of Nine Jun 2 2009, 10:39 PM

Good point, Harry's Horntail!

I had a typo earlier when I said Egwene couldn't make cuendillar--I meant that she could. And that would make sense if she's very powerful, and she's powerful with Earth which men were the strongest in.

Maybe they will be able to finally defeat the Dark One by using a man AND a woman, and it will keep this time. Perhaps that's where things went wrong before--only the men were involved in locking the Dark One in his prison.

There's such a push in the books for men and women to begin working together again, I think it's possible.

Dang but I'm excited!

Posted by: Shard Jun 3 2009, 12:02 PM

That may make sense then strength in earth can help in making Cuendillar, so perhaps that's a good reason to bring up that Egwene is good with Earth.

Moriane did have a speech in tEotW to Egwene that the Men used Earth and Fire more powerfully and Women had Wind and Water. She also went on to say that didn't mean the men had better abilities, just that they were more adept at those two powers and women at the other two. The powers balance themselves just like they do in HP.

I agree 7of9 I think both the halves of the One Power are needed, we'll never know what the result would have been had the women gone with Lews Therin. However I was very excited as well that Saidin got cleansed and Men would once again be able to channel without going insane.

Posted by: Seven of Nine Jun 3 2009, 01:20 PM

Except for poor Rand with someone else in his head who's nuts and wants to kill everyone. Funny. It actually kind of reminds me of Zane in the Mistborn series the way Rand and Lews Therin talk.

I must confess that part depresses me, because I really like Rand. I hate to see him brutalized like he is as he goes to what he's sure will be his death.

Posted by: Harrys Horntail Jun 3 2009, 01:40 PM

Rand's situation always saddens me. He came so far from that naive, sweet young boy and he cleansed the taint basically for the benefit of all the others around him. He himself gets no benefit from it because Lews Therin seems to be another kind of crazy altogether. I really hope he can stop being so hard, and that at least some of his 'building up' projects make it through. I love that he wants to do something, leave something good in his wake, so I hope that actually works.

And it is so sad that he lives this life with certain knowledge that he will die. Harry lives with that for half an hour, poor Rand is stuck with it for years. I do hope he's wrong, though. That kid has sacrificed so much already, it would be awful to see him lose his life too.

Posted by: Shard Jun 4 2009, 10:21 AM

And I think that is *exactly* what Robert Jordan wants us to feel for Rand, that he has given so much and gets so little in return. At least so far he has gotten so little, I think there is some hope that he will survive or be rewarded. Rand has the weight of the world on his shoulders and that is a heavy burden.

Yeah I think the Taint has done a certain amount of Damage to various male channelers, the good of the Cleansing is that there will be no further damage. However the existing damage is still there. The thing is that the current mental damages may be fixable now the corrupting influence of the Taint is gone.

It's a shame that Rand sees being human as being weak, Harry sorta had that problem as well more with the crying then the laughing though.

Posted by: Seven of Nine Jun 4 2009, 01:05 PM

I'm beginning The Dragon Reborn, and I totally forgot that one of the signs of the Dragon says he "shall bind the nine moons to serve him." Since Gathering Storm appears to be dealing (at least in part) with the assault by the Seanchan on the White Tower, perhaps this is when it will happen.

Posted by: Shard Jun 4 2009, 05:28 PM

*heh* I think the binding the Nine Moons to him happened when Mat said "She is my wife, Toun is my wife, the bloody Daughter of the Nine Moons is my wife" lol. He had no idea what he was getting into by saying that.

Posted by: Seven of Nine Jun 4 2009, 05:38 PM

But Tuon is pretty independent, and she doesn't exactly take Mat seriously enough yet. Mat even commented to her before she left with that guy who came for her that he hoped he didn't have to face her in battle. Interesting marriage.

Posted by: MysteryloverAnne Jun 4 2009, 08:26 PM

QUOTE(Seven of Nine @ Jun 4 2009, 05:38 PM)

Posted by: Shard Jun 4 2009, 08:52 PM

Yeah I've read the WoT series so many times I've lost count I really don't know what it is but the first half would be quite a bit higher then the later half. I think that WoT is really becoming my all time favorite series really, yes even more then HP. Still love my HP though so don't hold it against me too much.

And as for Toun I didn't mean it was in completion but it certainly started down that road. Mat slowly fits more and more of her Signs that she was looking for in him.

Sometimes I wonder how events would have brought these two together if he didn't go into the Finn door in Tear. I suppose he was always going to do that, since he needed answers.

The thing I am eager to see is what will happen with the Forsaken in the next book. Semi is captured, The BA hunters are getting closer to finding Messana, Graendal may come under fire in Arad Doman.

Posted by: Seven of Nine Jun 6 2009, 12:00 PM

QUOTE(MysteryloverAnne @ Jun 4 2009, 07:26 PM)

And SoN, I love your new siggy!

Posted by: Shard Jun 6 2009, 08:18 PM

The Aes Sedai have been known to make mistakes, they clearly didn't realize the importance of having the Banner there when the Horn was blown.

I think Rand has a chance to be healed now of his madness, now that the Taint is gone. I think Nynaeve can probably help but Rand is going to have to do some of it the old fashioned way (ie no magic) but with Laughter and Tears.

Posted by: Seven of Nine Jun 9 2009, 01:21 PM

Well, I hope you're right, Shard. I'm afraid that the only time Rand will finally be healed is when Lews Therin is gone.

Here's something I was thinking about. I love Moiraine's character, but she creates some of her own problems. I'm thinking here especially of just before she and Lanfear "die" when she's finally able to teach Rand after practically begging him to let her share what she knows. Some of that she set up herself. She does the same things with Perrin. She tells the boys to let her know if they have any dreams. When Perrin (in tDR) tells her about his wolf dream and seeing Lanfear, Moiraine scares the crap out of him. That's hardly the way to encourage him to keep confiding in her.

I'm sorry. The arrogance of the women in these books just bugs.

Posted by: Shard Jun 9 2009, 03:04 PM

Yeah I think they will need to deal with Lews and Moridin in his head, Rand has it rough. Don't know how much of that will be explored in the next book.

The arrogance is pretty bad at times some worse then others. Probably why I like Min and Birgitte so much. They really do think very little of men at times it seems.

Posted by: Harrys Horntail Jun 9 2009, 04:04 PM

QUOTE(Shard @ Jun 10 2009, 08:04 AM)

Posted by: Seven of Nine Jun 9 2009, 09:08 PM

Well, one of the things that really bugs me is in this book (tDR), I think. Mat goes through great lengths to warn the three women and jeopardizes his life to help save them in Tear. They happen to have done pretty well getting themselves out of being captured by the Black Adjah and are scandalized when Mat suggests they might need rescuing. But they didn't act that way when Ruarc and the other Aiel help them get away from the river brigands who were going to sell them to the Myrdraal. Whatever happened to it's the thought that counts? Really, that just shows, to me anyway, their own insecurity.

But here's a thought that came to me tonight. What does it take to really be turned to the shadow? It seems like power and glory are major motivators among Dark Friends (and the Forsaken as well). Faile decides to stick with Perrin, Lan, Loial, and Moiraine because she's sure that what is happening to them will be a story told through the ages--and she wants a part of it. That just seems to run in line too much with what Lanfear keeps trying to use on Rand. It just made me wonder if we have some people in our groups that we are sure are loyal to the Light (and Rand) that could be turned.

Posted by: Shard Jun 9 2009, 10:42 PM

Actually they DID need Mat's help getting out. They took out the BA sure, but the door was still locked. All it would have taken was one of the MANY Forsaken runing around at the time to find them locked up in there. Or Slayer or some really determined Trollocs.

Though really the point is that their Pride is so great that to be rescued by Mat is just intolerable. I just loved in aCoS when Brigitte and Aviendha made the girls apologize. To add insult to injury Mat forgot to mention the Forsaken were in Tear and Elayne had let slip that one of them had been there. Really it was more like 3 or 4 Forsaken where there, not just one. Lanfear, Bel'la, Ishy; not to mention other Forsaken may have at least been watching. I don't know if Sammy and/or Graendal or Semi were there but there are implications that they had least sent the Trollocs in.

Really it just astounds me that they have so little respect for Mat.

Faile I think is a great example of a character that is on the side of the Light but not for the reason of "I want to help Rand". Unlike in Harry Potter the majority of the cast doesn't necessarily care about Rand or his fight. There have been times where Faile really seemed to just want to stay in Emond's Field and forget about the rest of the world so long as she was with Perrin. I don't know if she cares about Glory on the same level Lanfear did though.

Posted by: Seven of Nine Jun 11 2009, 08:39 AM

Yes, Shard, that's the scene that really bugged me. You know, the more times I read the series, the more I like Mat. I've always liked him, but I see more the true depth of his character.

Something struck me this morning as I was listening to tDR. I'm at the part where Mat and Juilan have met up to go into the Stone after the girls. The girls are terrified that with 13 Aes Sedai there all that would be needed to turn them to the dark side would be 13 Myrdraal. Earlier when Moiraine is asking Loial about Be'lal. From the http://www.encyclopaedia-wot.org/ it says:
Be'lal and Lews Therin are allies for a time during the War of Power. Be'lal is a leader in the fight against the Dark One before he forsakes the Light.

That made me wonder about the whole turning thing. Did Be'lal forsake the light on his own or could he have been turned? And could someone who has been turned like this be turned back?

This is a theme that seems to be referred to much less in the later books, but I wonder if it could come back.

Posted by: Shard Jun 12 2009, 06:29 PM

It is possible that one or more Forsaken were turned to the Dark Side. It would sure be nice to have examples of this happening in the story since RJ mentioned it so long ago. It sounds like a one way ticket though, once they go Dark there is no going back.

I think Mat is probably one of the most liked characters. He's closer to being the "joe normal" then Perrin and Rand, though he does get rather extrodinary with his uncanny Luck.

Posted by: Seven of Nine Jun 13 2009, 04:57 PM

I got to the part in tSR where Mat (and Rand and Moiraine) went through the Ter'Angreal in Tear. I can't believe the blew off the part where Mat is told that he will give up half the Light to save the Light. What?

And what's this connection of the Aelfinn and Eelfinn with that game of snakes and foxes? Isn't Moiraine with them?

Oooo, and something I didn't notice before either. Both of those snake & fox creatures in the Ter'Angreals ask if Mat has followed the agreement, saying something about not bringing metals, weapons, or musical instruments. Curious isn't it that Moiraine asked a Bard/Gleeman (musician) to one of the ones to come after her.

Posted by: Shard Jun 16 2009, 07:09 AM

Many theorize that Mat will lose an eye, give up have his sight = light.

The game of Foxes and Snakes is how to win against the Finns since they ARE the Foxes and Snakes. They must cheat, bring fire, iron, music and courage. Notice how Rand used that Fire sword against them effectively.

Posted by: Seven of Nine Jun 17 2009, 09:15 AM

But Rand won't be coming with them. Something I picked up on this time when Rand is viewing the Aiel history is that they used to work with the Ogier (the Nim?) to help make things grow. Now they only sing when they go into battle.

Music again!

Posted by: Shard Jun 17 2009, 09:45 AM

That is true Rand and no channeler will be going with them. However there are other ways to get fire, and it seems they need Iron so that shouldn't be hard for them to get.

Posted by: Owain Jun 17 2009, 11:16 AM

QUOTE(Seven of Nine @ Jun 17 2009, 09:15 AM)

Posted by: Seven of Nine Jun 17 2009, 12:28 PM

Welcome to the discussion, Owain! I was wondered about that as I was listening to that part. And the Green Man who died at the end of EotW was the last of his race, wasn't he? But the Aiel were part of that. Is that the song the Tu'atha'an(sp?)(traveling people) are looking for?

Shard, I keep hearing references to music that I've never noticed before. That group of 10,000(?) Aiel who formed a circle around the psycho male Aes Sedai and tried to sing him out of the destruction he did--and he killed them all, but then offed himself at the end. Man, those were really bad times. No wonder everyone is so scared of men who can channel!

And what was the giant orb the men and women Aes Sedai blew up trying to use the One Source (as opposed to the true source) --the one both male and female can use? The power that Moridin is now using? That's seriously dangerous stuff.

It is rather funny, though, that Mat asked to have the holes in his memory filled and failed to mention that he meant to have his own memories back. Oh, well, as long as it helps win the battle with the DO. Since he's dealt with both groups of Finns, I hope he's better prepared and doesn't lose his temper this time and do something stupid.

Something about Rand's journey through Aiel history made me wonder. Was the DO already bound? Has he been bound before, escaped, and was bound again by Lews Therin and his 100?

And Brandon answers a question on his http://www.brandonsanderson.com/blog/796/Reader-Mailabout the DO:

Posted by: Shard Jun 17 2009, 10:16 PM

Somestra, aka the Green Man, is the last of the Race of Nym. The Nym were magic constructs to help with growing crops, probably part of the reason world hunger was wiped out.

Now I don't know if the songs the Nym used are the same as the Ogier but if they are the Tinkers have already listened to and rejected the Growing Song as the song they are seeking.

Some theorize that there is no song, that the Tinkers built up this legend of the Song to cure everything.

I thought it was sad reading about that part where the mad AS was fixated on the singing Aiel. They did it to keep him occupied so the people of the city could escape.

The sphere I think was the Sharom, it was a research center for Science and experiments with the One Power.

Posted by: Seven of Nine Jun 18 2009, 09:28 AM

But it's not the same as Saidar and Saidin, correct?

Posted by: Shard Jun 18 2009, 11:21 AM

No it is not, it's the DO's power is what Moridin and other Forsaken are using.

Posted by: Seven of Nine Jun 18 2009, 11:23 AM

Holy Cow! What were those male and female Aes Sedai thinking of then in trying to use it? You'd think if they knew it was the DO's power source they wouldn't want to have anything to do with it. Could that have turned some of them?

ETA: *gasp* I never noticed before that Lord Luc (Rand's uncle) killed Rand's Aiel father!!

Another ETA: Back to that thingy that blew up when they tried to use a new source of the One Power. From the http://www.encyclopaedia-wot.org/:

Posted by: Shard Jun 19 2009, 08:19 AM

Yes Slayer is responsible for many deaths, I wonder if Rand will ever find out about his father's death at Slayer's hands.

According to RJ Lanfear was ready for the Shadow long before the Bore was made. Though being spurned by Lews is probably the excuse she trots out, she really just wants power. Remember Lanfear proposed to Rand that they could take on even the Creator and DO with the Chodan Kal at there hands.

It's power and control which is why some are seduced by his power, like Moridin. There may be some that were forced to the Shadow we just don't know yet.

Posted by: Seven of Nine Jun 23 2009, 12:33 PM

Faile perhaps wants glory more than power, but she still troubles me. But I think I'd like her if she didn't punish Perrin for things he has no way of knowing. She appreciates forthrightness but won't act that way herself.

Verin makes a comment to Perrin just before the big battle at the Two Rivers. She questions whether or not Perrin understands what it means to have married Faile. Perrin obviously does not. Is there any hint of the significance except that Faile appears to be 2nd from the throne, only behind her father?

From http://www.brandonsanderson.com/blog/799/Garden-Ninja-Contest:

Posted by: Shard Jun 25 2009, 10:17 PM

QUOTE(Seven of Nine @ Jun 23 2009, 01:33 PM)

Posted by: Seven of Nine Jun 26 2009, 11:57 AM

Okay, here's something I found curious. Slayer (aka Lord Luc & Isam) can physically move himself from one location to another in Tel'aran'rhiod, right? Well, Perrin's been completely in Tel'aran'rhiod, too. Do you think it could ever be something he could learn to do, or is that just a power of the DO? What Slayer does is almost a kind of traveling.

Also, since he was able to do that, I wonder why Lord Luc after he was hurt by Perrin in Tel'aran'rhiod didn't just transport himself somewhere else rather than running through the Inn. Or was that just a plot ploy to connect the two for the reader?

Posted by: Shard Jun 27 2009, 07:24 PM

So far what Slayer does seems pretty unique but then it is possible Dreamwalkers could do that if they choose to but feel it is an Evil thing to do. Rather a self destructive thing that leads to evil. Being in the Flesh is what Slayer does, I don't know if this is a gift of the DO or if it was something Luc and/or Isam could do anyways.

What seems odd to me is that Gitara had a Foretelling to send Luc to the Blight and I wonder about that. I mean that seems a bad thing that happened there, conversaly sending Tigraine to the Waste was what got us Rand. Seems Foretellings are neutral.

I think there may be more to what and how Slayer Dreamwalks, it could be that only one of the Persona's can do this. That one may have been the injuried one so couldn't get back into TAR and have to leave the premise physically IRW.

Posted by: Seven of Nine Jun 27 2009, 07:36 PM

Interesting.

You know that foretelling reminded me that Perrin has seen things in the wolf dream that haven't happened yet. Does his little "furry problem" give him foretelling as well? The instance that I'm particularly thinking of is when he hurts slayer in dream, Perrin sees Mat with that spear being used the bind his arms behind him. That doesn't happen until the next book.

And isn't the http://brandonsanderson.com/blog/786/The-Gathering-Storm-Cover-Art book cover odd? That scene if from the end of KoD--and is Min red/blond? I didn't think so. So who's the red/blond chick on the cover? Isn't Elayne a reddish blond?

Posted by: Shard Jun 28 2009, 11:08 AM

Yes Perrin has Wolf Dreams that allow him to see things. He has yet to tell anyone about them. http://steelypips.org/wotfaq/4_prophecy/4.6_perrin-drm.html can be found there. It seems he hasn't had any for some time now.

Yes the cover is odd and so far no one knows who the Barmaid is supposed to be. Min has short brown hair, Elyane does have reddish blonde hair but I doubt she'd dress like that. Some think it's supposed to be Avi, when we saw the rough draft she was more appropriatly dressed for an Aiel Wise Woman. Now she looks like some wetlander barmaid so really looks OOC for her. Though that's really not new with Darryl Sweets art covers for wot. *sigh* Why couldn't we have a Marie Gran Pre for the covers I don't know.

Posted by: Seven of Nine Jul 7 2009, 06:40 PM

Too right about Marie Gran Pre. Warbreaker's cover is beautiful to look at. Too bad Tor doesn't pay up for a better artists for the WoT books.

In Fires of Heaven, I'm at the part where Rand has saved Cairhien from the Shaido and Mat has killed Couladen. Mat just cracks me up! I'm enjoying him more and more every time I read this series.

Unfortunately, the catty girl crap is starting in earnest. I just wish those sections didn't have information so pertinent to the storylines. *sigh* I'm a girl. Why do I like the guys' storylines so much better?

But here's a question. What role do you all think Valan Luca is going to play? He must have a destiny in the final battle, because he keeps showing up.

Brandon gave us a little heads up on http://www.brandonsanderson.com/blog/803/DONE today:

Posted by: Shard Jul 8 2009, 12:15 PM

Well with the Valan Luca question I think he HAS served his purpose as a "vehicle" first for Nynaeve and then later Mat. I really don't see him having a part in the final battle.

Moggy later on shows the Wondergirls how to disguise the ability to channel.

Posted by: Seven of Nine Jul 8 2009, 10:12 PM

Is it the whole inverted weave thingy? That's what first came to mind, but that hides when you're channeling. I was thinking about the ability to see someone else who could touch the source but isn't. Is it the same thing?

Posted by: Shard Jul 9 2009, 11:45 AM

I believe there is a weave or something that can disguise the ability to channel. In KoD Suian uses spirit to make a weave to hide her ability to channel.

Posted by: Seven of Nine Jul 24 2009, 11:12 AM

I must have just forgotten it then. Funny how on subsequent read through we pick up things that we just blew past previously. That's something that's nice about this series. There's so much there, that it's fun to read them again.

After listening to the first five books, I've been taking a break and listening to some other books. I'm about ready to begin again with Lord of Chaos. I keep coming back to the title of Book 6, since it's part of the closing comment in KoD made by Taim to those poor Red Ajah emissaries.

ETA: Was Taim a dark friend from the beginning? If he was 15 years older than Rand, how did he keep from going nuts from the taint? And why didn't he try to declare himself the Dragon Reborn sooner?

Posted by: Shard Jul 26 2009, 11:36 PM

We don't know yet, also the Taint does affect each male differently in some it takes longer then others.

Posted by: Seven of Nine Jul 27 2009, 09:24 AM

But 15 years? That's WAY longer than anyone Rand has heard of. It just makes me wonder if he has the same protection that the male Forsaken have--a link to the DO. But Rand was able to see that link, wasn't he? Could a link like that be hidden by an inverted weave, I wonder?

Unless, Taim wasn't born with it but was taught--perhaps by a forsaken. Hmmmm . . . I don't know.

Posted by: Shard Jul 28 2009, 02:40 PM

I think the connects aren't always showing, I think they only show under certain circumstances. Either they only show in TAR, meaning that Rand was battling the various Forskan in the Flesh in TAR not just Rahvin. Perhaps when he's holding enough power himself, or maybe something else we don't know about.

As for Taim that's a good theory actually maybe he was taught by a Forsaken, handpicked to be a False dragon from the begining. It's certainly plausible.

Posted by: Seven of Nine Jul 28 2009, 11:19 PM

Okay, I'm at the part where Mat meets Olver for the first time. Something occurred to me. We've basically been assuming that when we've seen Gaidal in Tel'aran'rhiod in the earlier books that he hadn't been born again yet. Is that a safe assumption? What if his presence there was because when he dreams he can still go there--even as a child (Olver)?

Just can't waste that ugly face. It has to mean something.

Also, where do you all think the plot point is for Alanna bonding Rand against his will? I know she helped to find him when the Aes Sedai kidnaped him, but Perrin was there, so she was really unnecessary? I wonder what more could happen with that bond.

Also, assuming that Moiraine surives the rescue, I wonder if she will be changed--perhaps be more powerful and/or have critical information Rand will need?

Posted by: Shard Jul 29 2009, 09:34 AM

QUOTE(Seven of Nine @ Jul 29 2009, 12:19 AM)

Also, assuming that Moiraine surives the rescue, I wonder if she will be changed--perhaps be more powerful and/or have critical information Rand will need?

Posted by: Seven of Nine Jul 29 2009, 07:30 PM

QUOTE(Shard @ Jul 29 2009, 08:34 AM)

QUOTE(Seven of Nine @ Jul 29 2009, 12:19 AM)

Also, where do you all think the plot point is for Alanna bonding Rand against his will? I know she helped to find him when the Aes Sedai kidnaped him, but Perrin was there, so she was really unnecessary? I wonder what more could happen with that bond.

Remember when Rand gets kidnapped? That's the reason for the bond.

Posted by: Shard Jul 31 2009, 08:33 AM

Pretty much yeah, it's sad too because she was the first Green I think we meet and so I was very interested in knowing her character more. Then she went and basically raped Rand. Now Rand is bonded to three others so there isn't much need for Alanna.

Posted by: Seven of Nine Jul 31 2009, 10:05 PM

I got to that part in the book, and it made me wonder about the nature of multiple bonds. Since the girls bonded Rand, how did that work for Min? Elayne bonded Birgitte, but Elayne was also the one who could channel. Did Rand bond Min or did Elayne or Avienda do the bonding for her. That's interesting--an Aes Sedai can perform bonding between people who could not otherwise be bonded?

I can't remember who the girls were feeling when Rand and Elayne had their little "wild thing" encounter. Were they experiencing Rand's feelings or were they also picking up on Elayne's. If they were picking up Elayne's that implies that Greens who have more than one warder can pick up what the other warders are feeling. That would be pretty intrusive if that's the case.

Posted by: Shard Aug 1 2009, 07:32 AM

Min's bond is like that of a Warder, or Brigitte's though I don't remember clearly if the girls could sense each other or not. I know that they can now all sense Rand and feel his feelings.

Well the Wise Ones did a bonding between Elayne and Avi, they have stated they can do this for anyone. So long as they pass their test of course, then they are Spiritually linked.

Posted by: Seven of Nine Aug 1 2009, 03:12 PM

I reread what I wrote and I didn't say it well. If the girls were picking up Elayne's feelings (while they were bonded to Rand) that implies that two warders bonded to the same Aes Sedai would be able to pick up what each is feeling. Does that make sense? The warders would be able to feel each other. If that's the case, it's a pretty intrusive thing, being bonded--more so than I ever thought.

So is Elayne going to be impacted with Birgitte's romance when/if she finally finds Gaidal Cain?

Eeewww

Posted by: Shard Aug 2 2009, 03:54 AM

Well I do know that the Aes Sedai can muffle things on their end. Non-channler Warders don't seem to have as much luck. Then again maybe Brigitte, Avi and Min weren't used to the sort of training Warders go through.

Posted by: Seven of Nine Aug 7 2009, 03:06 PM

I've gotten to the point in LoC where Egwene travels to Salidar via Tel'aran'rhiod. I'd completely forgotten that she got there that way. She seemed to come through without any problems, so I wonder where the Wise Ones concerns originated. Something bad must have happened. But it also makes me think that Egwene could leave the White Tower any dang time she wants--via Tel'aran'rhiod.

I love how in KoD she's slowly getting everyone to her side via respect.

And that whole ceremony where Egwene is made Amyrlin and everyone present has to prove they are women by baring their breasts--they already have a fox in the hen house and don't even know it: Halima Saranov aka Aran'gar formerly known as Balthamel before Rand killed him.

This is all so hard to keep track of. My head hurts!

Posted by: Shard Aug 9 2009, 04:00 PM

As for going into TAR via the Flesh I think it's a build up thing. The more you do it the more you damage yourself. Egwene has only done it once and so may have only minimal and maybe healable damage. Where as Rand has probably done this more then just when he fought Rahvin.

Posted by: Seven of Nine Aug 13 2009, 09:09 AM

Woot! Looks like The Gathering Storm is coming out a week earlier than expected!

From http://www.brandonsanderson.com/blog/815/The-Gathering-Storm-coming-sooner-than-expected:

Posted by: Inveli Aug 14 2009, 01:48 PM

For those who don't know yet, the first part of A Memory of Light has been reviewed. Supposedly, this reviewer got the permission of the author to get this copy and he says that the book is just as good as The Great Hunt, The Shadow Rising, and The Fires of Heaven.

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Before you read my review, I need to give you full disclosure. It’s important to remember my point of view. I’m running a large fan site for a book series that is very near and dear to my heart. Over the years I came to know Robert Jordan, and am proud to have had him call me friend. I am close to Harriet, his widow, as well as to other members of his family and staff. I consider Brandon Sanderson to be my friend (as long as he lets me win a few MAGIC: The Gathering games anyway). I am affiliated with http://www.tor.com/ (Robert Jordan’s U.S. publisher) via personal relationships, small business deals, and as of recently, their website, http://www.tor.com/, for which http://www.tor.com/index.php?blogger=Jason_Denzel. That said, I have not ever accepted money or other payment from them to promote, endorse, or write nice things about their Wheel of Time products.

So, with all that in mind, I tell you truthfully: My review below is for you, the reader who wants the truth, and not the hype. I am not here to sell you the book. I am here to tell you, as one fan to another, what you can expect from this new installment in the WoT series. While the facts of my disclosure above will never make me completely neutral, I promise you that my primary responsibility and obligation remains, as always, to give it to you straight. Like you, I am a fan first and foremost.

The best, and least spoilery, summary of the review is this:

http://www.amazon.com/Gathering-Storm-Wheel-Time/dp/0765302306/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1249054771&sr=8-1

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http://www.amazon.com/Gathering-Storm-Wheel-Time/dp/0765302306/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1249054771&sr=8-1 is, in my opinion, quite easily one of the most intense and exciting books in the entire Wheel of Time series. Yes, you read that right. I avoided writing this review right after I finished reading. Instead, I purposely waited some time to let the initial rush and enjoyment wear off. It certainly has cooled a great deal, but I can still say with grounded and sober confidence that the book is outstanding. I would rank it up there in the top 4 in the series along with The Shadow Rising, The Fires of Heaven, and The Great Hunt. Pacing-wise, I would agree with Brandon Sanderson’s statement that it’s similar to books 4-6 in the series.

For the whole article, you can go http://www.dragonmount.com/News/?p=585. Beware! There are some potential spoilers, so be careful. If you want the book to be fresh to you when it comes out, then I say, don't read the review.

Posted by: Seven of Nine Aug 15 2009, 12:02 PM

Awesome! Thanks so much for the links and comments.

Here's some of what I was interested from http://www.dragonmount.com/News/?p=585 by Jason Denzel at dragonmount.com:

Posted by: Inveli Aug 15 2009, 06:43 PM

I know how you feel man(or are you a women?). But the book is just around the corner, so the least we could do is be patient. Anyway, time to stimulate some discussion. Ever wondered what "giving up half the light of the world, to save the world" is? Well, I think(I think though) I got the answer right here. This was a prediction made by somebody else and I wish to spread the theory. Look down here:

Posted by: Seven of Nine Aug 15 2009, 06:59 PM

Works for me, Inveli--and it makes sense. I found that to be very curious when I read it. Perhaps it happens when Mat, Thom, and Farstrider go after Moiraine. That review of the book certainly hints that that event takes place in this new book. I hope so, because I would love to see Moiraine be able to come back for the last battle. We've certainly seen enough

I have a question about warder bonds (hmmm, seems I remember an actor by that name ). I've been listening to CoS (not Chamber of Secrets) and when Rand would only allow Alana to heal him it made me think about other bonds. Warders seem to have a compelling need to protect their Aes Sedai. Is that part of being a warder and warder training and indoctrination or is it part of the bond. If it's that latter, what does that say for those Aes Sedai who were bonded by Ashaman? Will they have a compelling need to protect the men? But Rand doesn't have a compelling need to protect Alana, but has she been in a situation where she was in need of his protection?

Posted by: Harrys Horntail Aug 15 2009, 08:33 PM

I'm not going to go and have a look at that whole review, but the bits that have been posted here are very interesting, and as Seven of Nine says, encouraging. I am very keen to read this book, and I do hope that the date for it comes forward here as well as in the US and Canada. This is the second most impatient I've been for a book

Posted by: Inveli Aug 16 2009, 09:11 AM

Yes, I always wondered what Matrim would look like with an eye-patch on. It seems pretty cool to me, the concept. So, I suppose that means that Mat is going to lose an eye to learn how to win Tarmon Gaidon and get Moiraine back, which is also beneficial to the war efforts because Min said so herself that without Moiraine, Rand al'Thor is nothing...or something like that. But yeah, Mat's awesomeness never ceases to amaze me. Also, I have a prediction of my own.

Legitimate Prediction Down Here

Egwene has dreamed about Mat a couple times, right? And usually in those dreams, there are fireworks in them, right? Well, I've noticed that sometimes, the dreams show "powerful arrows of fire" coming out of it, right? And the book usually forshadows an Illuminator that is looking for Mat(likewise, Mat was also looking for an Illuminator at one point). Well, I predict that Mat will have firearms during Tarmon Gai'don aka "Shock Lances"(as they are called in the Age of Legends). What do you think? It makes perfect sense.

QUOTE(Seven of Nine @ Aug 15 2009, 07:59 PM)

Works for me, Inveli--and it makes sense. I found that to be very curious when I read it. Perhaps it happens when Mat, Thom, and Farstrider go after Moiraine. That review of the book certainly hints that that event takes place in this new book. I hope so, because I would love to see Moiraine be able to come back for the last battle. We've certainly seen enough

I have a question about warder bonds (hmmm, seems I remember an actor by that name ). I've been listening to CoS (not Chamber of Secrets) and when Rand would only allow Alana to heal him it made me think about other bonds. Warders seem to have a compelling need to protect their Aes Sedai. Is that part of being a warder and warder training and indoctrination or is it part of the bond. If it's that latter, what does that say for those Aes Sedai who were bonded by Ashaman? Will they have a compelling need to protect the men? But Rand doesn't have a compelling need to protect Alana, but has she been in a situation where she was in need of his protection?

Posted by: Seven of Nine Aug 16 2009, 01:45 PM

As you can tell by my signature, I'm thinking that Rand is going to die but he's going to live. Not sure how this would be accomplished, but I think dying is the only way to be free of Lews Therin, and it fits in with Min's viewing of three women around a funeral pyre.

I don't think Rand will be gentled, because he's cleaned the source. There's no point. If he's gentled, what point would be served except to take a weapon from a crazy man. Better that he just die outright.

Posted by: Inveli Aug 17 2009, 12:51 PM

QUOTE(Seven of Nine @ Aug 16 2009, 02:45 PM)

Posted by: Seven of Nine Aug 18 2009, 08:43 PM

I think the worst thing for Rand is having Lews Therin in his head. It has had its advantages by giving Rand knowledge of things he shouldn't have known about. But it's never a good thing to be talking to yourself--especially when the other voice is a raving lunatic who wants to kill everyone.

I'm trying to figure out what's going on with him though and his use of the power--it started when Moridin took his hand and helped him in Shadar Logath. It's been suggested that all the voices Rand hears aren't necessarily from Kinslayer.

Posted by: Harrys Horntail Aug 19 2009, 01:05 AM

QUOTE(Inveli @ Aug 18 2009, 05:51 AM)

Posted by: MTBlond Aug 19 2009, 04:02 AM

I'm sure someone has already mentioned this, but I couldn't find it anywhere...:

What do you think Lan's reaction will be when he realizes his brother is still alive (in a way, at least) and similarly, how will Rand react when he finds out that his uncle - Tigrane's brother - lives too. And then, when they find out that they are now two sides of the same person.

Posted by: Inveli Aug 19 2009, 11:04 AM

QUOTE(Harrys Horntail @ Aug 19 2009, 02:05 AM)

QUOTE(Inveli @ Aug 18 2009, 05:51 AM)

Or perhaps, "his blood on the rocks" may refer to Slayer (the Luc half, anyway). The whole story has said time and time again that prophecies aren't always what you would expect them to be. They could mean totally different things. Noal Charrin might even reveal to Rand that he is Jain Farsrider, and advise him on how to fake his death, thus avoiding that begger fate. But clues seem to point to the begger that Rand could become. We'll just have to see.

I've always felt there had to be something more to that particular phrase. Rand is far too certain that it will be him, his blood, his death for me to be secure. I like the idea that it could be his blood, as in his relation. That would be a nice twist on the words.

I sure hope Rand doesn't die, or that if he does that he lives again because he has been through far too much for this to be his end. I also hope that he isn't gentled. I remember people saying they thought Harry would have to give up magic to 'win' and I couldn't handle the thought that after being through so much that he could lose it all. And I don't want that for Rand either. The way they describe gentled people surviving is horrific. Besides, it can be healed now, so why bother in the first place.

Posted by: Seven of Nine Aug 19 2009, 01:34 PM

QUOTE(Harrys Horntail @ Aug 19 2009, 12:05 AM)

QUOTE(Inveli @ Aug 18 2009, 05:51 AM)

Or perhaps, "his blood on the rocks" may refer to Slayer (the Luc half, anyway). The whole story has said time and time again that prophecies aren't always what you would expect them to be. They could mean totally different things. Noal Charrin might even reveal to Rand that he is Jain Farsrider, and advise him on how to fake his death, thus avoiding that begger fate. But clues seem to point to the begger that Rand could become. We'll just have to see.

I've always felt there had to be something more to that particular phrase. Rand is far too certain that it will be him, his blood, his death for me to be secure. I like the idea that it could be his blood, as in his relation. That would be a nice twist on the words.

QUOTE(MTBlond @ Aug 19 2009, 03:02 AM)

Posted by: MTBlond Aug 19 2009, 01:56 PM

QUOTE(Seven of Nine @ Aug 19 2009, 12:34 PM)

QUOTE(MTBlond @ Aug 19 2009, 03:02 AM)

What do you think Lan's reaction will be when he realizes his brother is still alive (in a way, at least) and similarly, how will Rand react when he finds out that his uncle - Tigrane's brother - lives too. And then, when they find out that they are now two sides of the same person.

Lan's brother? Do you mean Isam Mandragoran, aka Slayer? Luc is also one facet of Slayer.

Posted by: Inveli Aug 19 2009, 05:40 PM

QUOTE(MTBlond @ Aug 19 2009, 02:56 PM)

QUOTE(Seven of Nine @ Aug 19 2009, 12:34 PM)

QUOTE(MTBlond @ Aug 19 2009, 03:02 AM)

What do you think Lan's reaction will be when he realizes his brother is still alive (in a way, at least) and similarly, how will Rand react when he finds out that his uncle - Tigrane's brother - lives too. And then, when they find out that they are now two sides of the same person.

Lan's brother? Do you mean Isam Mandragoran, aka Slayer? Luc is also one facet of Slayer.

Yes, I mean Isam - it's been a while since I've read the books (since 11 came out) - I was mistaken about his relation to Lan. Regardless, I am aware that he is one part of the man called Slayer, as is Luc (who is Rand's uncle). My question is, how do you think Lan and Rand will react to knowing that their familiy members are alive (in a manner of speaking) and that they are, or have been, working for the Dark One.

Posted by: Seven of Nine Aug 19 2009, 05:51 PM

QUOTE(MTBlond @ Aug 19 2009, 12:56 PM)

QUOTE(Seven of Nine @ Aug 19 2009, 12:34 PM)

QUOTE(MTBlond @ Aug 19 2009, 03:02 AM)

What do you think Lan's reaction will be when he realizes his brother is still alive (in a way, at least) and similarly, how will Rand react when he finds out that his uncle - Tigrane's brother - lives too. And then, when they find out that they are now two sides of the same person.

Lan's brother? Do you mean Isam Mandragoran, aka Slayer? Luc is also one facet of Slayer.

Yes, I mean Isam - it's been a while since I've read the books (since 11 came out) - I was mistaken about his relation to Lan. Regardless, I am aware that he is one part of the man called Slayer, as is Luc (who is Rand's uncle). My question is, how do you think Lan and Rand will react to knowing that their familiy members are alive (in a manner of speaking) and that they are, or have been, working for the Dark One.

QUOTE(Inveli @ Aug 19 2009, 04:40 PM)

Posted by: Harrys Horntail Aug 19 2009, 06:04 PM

QUOTE(Seven of Nine @ Aug 20 2009, 10:51 AM)

Posted by: Inveli Aug 20 2009, 11:23 AM

QUOTE(Harrys Horntail @ Aug 19 2009, 07:04 PM)

QUOTE(Seven of Nine @ Aug 20 2009, 10:51 AM)

Honestly? At this point in the story? I'm wondering if Rand can even be shocked anymore. The poor guy's had to deal with so much in such a short period of time I really feel for him. And as he tries to become stronger by becoming harder . . . ugh!

I'm reading the early books again, and I miss the naive, sweet Rand from those days so much. I still love later book Rand and I feel so sorry for him, but I far preferred the old Rand. I hope he finds his way back before the end. You're right, he just seems to be so hardened to everything the world throws at him at the moment.

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I'm hoping it has to do with the last battle and helping Rand. I like Logain, and I wish Rand felt he could trust him.

I like Logain too, and I think Rand will come to it in time. After all, it seems to be Logain's faction versus Taim's and I know which of those two I would trust. I'm hoping his glory has something to do with him helping Rand and the others at the end, too.

Posted by: Seven of Nine Aug 20 2009, 01:52 PM

QUOTE(Inveli @ Aug 20 2009, 10:23 AM)

Posted by: MysteryloverAnne Aug 20 2009, 07:48 PM

I know most of us haven't been exactly thrilled with the cover art we've seen so far for the next book, but this guy, Seamas Gallagher, has done some interesting art based on WoT. You can see his stuff http://seamassketches.blogspot.com/search/label/wheel%20of%20time. It obviously doesn't strive for realism but I find it very compelling.

Posted by: Inveli Aug 20 2009, 08:48 PM

QUOTE(Seven of Nine @ Aug 20 2009, 02:52 PM)

QUOTE(Inveli @ Aug 20 2009, 10:23 AM)

Hmmm, lots of people say that Logain is gonna be the new Tamrylin. What do you guys think?

From what I can find out, the Tamyrlin was a ring worn by Lew Therin. Is it supposed to be a title or position in the future?

QUOTE(MysteryloverAnne @ Aug 20 2009, 08:48 PM)

Posted by: Seven of Nine Aug 20 2009, 10:36 PM

QUOTE(MysteryloverAnne @ Aug 20 2009, 06:48 PM)

Posted by: MysteryloverAnne Aug 21 2009, 07:22 AM

QUOTE(Seven of Nine @ Aug 20 2009, 10:36 PM)

Thanks for sharing that link. I think my favorite is the picture of Thom. I really like him. Since there are hints he'll have a nice big role in the next book, I can't wait for another reason!

QUOTE(Seven of Nine @ Aug 20 2009, 10:36 PM)

Since the only way to win snakes and foxes is to cheat, and Moiraine said in her letter that there must be no more than 3 who come after her, does that mean it'd be a good thing for a fourth party (Olver?) to sneak along--even though Moiraine said that having more or less than three would spell disaster?

Posted by: Inveli Aug 21 2009, 11:00 AM

QUOTE(Seven of Nine @ Aug 20 2009, 11:36 PM)

QUOTE(MysteryloverAnne @ Aug 20 2009, 06:48 PM)

I know most of us haven't been exactly thrilled with the cover art we've seen so far for the next book, but this guy, Seamas Gallagher, has done some interesting art based on WoT. You can see his stuff http://seamassketches.blogspot.com/search/label/wheel%20of%20time. It obviously doesn't strive for realism but I find it very compelling.

Thanks for sharing that link. I think my favorite is the picture of Thom. I really like him. Since there are hints he'll have a nice big role in the next book, I can't wait for another reason!

Since the only way to win snakes and foxes is to cheat, and Moiraine said in her letter that there must be no more than 3 who come after her, does that mean it'd be a good thing for a fourth party (Olver?) to sneak along--even though Moiraine said that having more or less than three would spell disaster?

QUOTE(Inveli @ Aug 19 2009, 12:04 PM)

QUOTE(Harrys Horntail @ Aug 19 2009, 02:05 AM)

QUOTE(Inveli @ Aug 18 2009, 05:51 AM)

Or perhaps, "his blood on the rocks" may refer to Slayer (the Luc half, anyway). The whole story has said time and time again that prophecies aren't always what you would expect them to be. They could mean totally different things. Noal Charrin might even reveal to Rand that he is Jain Farsrider, and advise him on how to fake his death, thus avoiding that begger fate. But clues seem to point to the begger that Rand could become. We'll just have to see.

I've always felt there had to be something more to that particular phrase. Rand is far too certain that it will be him, his blood, his death for me to be secure. I like the idea that it could be his blood, as in his relation. That would be a nice twist on the words.

I sure hope Rand doesn't die, or that if he does that he lives again because he has been through far too much for this to be his end. I also hope that he isn't gentled. I remember people saying they thought Harry would have to give up magic to 'win' and I couldn't handle the thought that after being through so much that he could lose it all. And I don't want that for Rand either. The way they describe gentled people surviving is horrific. Besides, it can be healed now, so why bother in the first place.

About Rand: Even if he is gentled, tortured, and executed, Rand is too much like Jesus and Thor. As a matter of fact, regarding Thor, Rand's last name pretty much proves that. Rand al'THOR, right? In fact, Thor is a norse god, but al'Thor means "son of Thor". Plus, don't forget. He could either fake his death like Jain Farstrider(Noal Charrin) and he could be resurrected like Jesus. Rand's stark similarities bewteen Jesus is amazing, to say the least.

It's like Matrim Cauthon. He possesses an archetype based off of the Norse god Odin. As a matter of fact, he is very much like Odin. For example, refer to this:

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Mat will lose an eye, either in the Last Battle or in the Tower of Ghenji. I believe this as Egwene Dreams him putting his eye on the scale, and the prediction that he will "give up half the light of the world" in order to save it. I take this to mean that he will lose his eye in order to save the world. I also believe that Mat bears some stark similarities to the Norse god Odin:
-Odin was known as the "Father of Battles" whilst Mat as the "son of battles.
-Both are known gamblers
-Both wear wide brimmed hats and carry spears
-Mat's spear has two ravens on it, Odin had two ravens Huggin and Munnin who each day told him the news of the Earth
-Huggin and Munnin means "thought and memory" in norse wythology, Mat's raven-marked spear is inscribed with "Thought is the arrow of time, memory never fades.
-Both Odin and Mat were hanged upon "Tree's of Life", Odin upon Yggdrasil and Mat Avendesora in order to achieve knowledge
-Odin only had one eye as he sacrificed his eye to gain knowledge of the all time and see how to win Ragnarok (norse final battle and end of the world) and I believe that Mat will do something similar.
I believe that the similarities between Mat and Odin exist, although I could be wrong. But this prediction seems to hold true to the prophesies and my percieved ideas of the similarities between Mat and Odin.
Please post any opinions.

So yeah, I think Rand's gonna live. And if he is resurrected, he'll be good as new(One Power, no insanity, etc.).


Regarding Matrim Cauthon: I think I said before that Mat will probably have firearms during Tarmon Gai'don aka "Shock-lances", as they were called in the Age of Legends. In Chapter 15, Aludra is even looking for a bellfounder, right? Well, let's not forget that a bellfounder can be used for a cannon, eh? So, in other words, Aludra will rediscover "shock-lances" and cannons or what ever they were called during the Age of Legends. Think about it. Mat...with a pistol. Egwene even dreamed of Mat having "shock-lances". So, what do you guys think?


Regarding Olver: Well, let's put it straight, Olver is NOT Gaidal Cain, or whatever is name is. But I have a feeling that Olver will be for Birgitte. This is what Min saw:

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Auras danced around her and images flickered, more than Min had ever seen around anyone, thousands it seemed, cascading over one another. Those multitudes of images and auras flashed by too quickly for her to make out any clearly, but she was certain they indicated more adventures than a woman could have in one lifetime. Strangely, some were connected to an ugly man who was older than she, and others to an ugly man who was much younger, yet somehow Min knew they were the same man.

So my theory is that Olver will sneak into the Tower of Genji and the Eelfinn will make him loses a couple years of his life for something he wants which would thus, mature him into a man. So yeah, that's what I think.

Posted by: Seven of Nine Aug 21 2009, 11:42 AM

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Posted by: Inveli Aug 21 2009, 06:52 PM

Anyone else think that Egwene can be a hypocritical bitch? Because honestly, she pisses me off at times. As a matter of fact, as a wise man(or was it a women?) once told me, she is one of those "Ooh! Ooh!" girls. Making false accusations and sometimes being resentful to the people she should trust. If the "Begger Theory" about Rand is correct, then I predict my annoyance will sky-rocket ten-fold.

Posted by: Seven of Nine Aug 22 2009, 12:26 PM

What particular instance are you referring to where Egwene has been hypocritical? I think she's arrogant--especially for someone as young as she is--and thinks that she knows everything that everyone should do. But then, I think all the characters in this series have tendencies to be arrogant like that and feel they have the right to tell others what they can and cannot do. It's one part of the series that just wears me out.

Egwene's arrogance aside, I believe she's trying very hard to do the right thing. I think what she believes is changing as she grows in knowledge and experience. That's not hypocritical; that's healthy. What really comes to mind is how she's changed her mind about the oath rod vows the Aes Sedai take. She was convinced that they shouldn't use it because it appears to shorten their lives, but Suian has convinced her that their credibility is tied to those oaths.

I can't believe how many times I have read (or listened) to this series and totally passed over the hints about Moiraine coming back. Shard was the one who brought that to my attention, and I'm seeing them all so clearly now that I know to look for them. In CoS I was listening to the part where Min was thinking that the only time her readings on people had failed was relating to "a dead woman" (Moiraine) having to be with Rand at Tarmon Gaidon if there's any chance for them to defeat the DO.

Posted by: Shard Aug 25 2009, 12:30 PM

Lately I've been thinking about both the WT and BT being destroyed to make "Great Arvalon" that was mentioned in those quotes in the begining of one of the books.

I don't know if Logain will head ALL the Channelers but I am sure he will be M'Hael.

Eggy can have some funny logic sometimes but I don't think she's a flat out hipocrite. Elayne is the one that really makes me angry and a little bit Nynaeve as well for their treatment of Mat mostly. Egwene at least believes Mat is a changed man and will be responsible for his own actions where as Nynaeve was all convinced that Mat was this Trolloc in disguise for some bizzare reason in CoS.

Posted by: Seven of Nine Aug 29 2009, 01:50 PM

I have been listening to PoD and I keep thinking of the various people who are committing to Mat and Perrin and the girls--and now those Lan will bring in (maybe Shienar?). I guess they don't all have to know Rand and be committed to him as long as his friends (and through them their followers) are dedicated to Rand. I am sure now that Moiraine is coming back but I was wondering what the major role is she will have to play at the final battle.

Posted by: Shard Aug 30 2009, 07:11 AM

Yes I've always liked that aspect of Team Rand. That if they didn't directly follow Rand they would follow one his "Luitenants" or "Captains". Perrin has Two River Folk with him, Mat and the Band and soon Seachan as well. Galad has the WC, a large portion of the Borderlands will be following Lan. Perhaps Bashere will get the rest, then there's Logain hopefully going to lead the Ashamen.

I think Egwene will be leading the Aes Sedai so no Tamrylin, that was the past and were looking to the future now. I think that's why I don't care for the Sea Folk or Kin they seem kind of inconsequential to the story. Elayne has Andor and Berelain has Mayene, now Darlin is in charge of Tear. I imagine Mattin Stephanos will be getting Illain back and we have yet to see if Elayne really gets Cairherin or not.

I like the attempt of Rand to not repeat Artur Hawkings mistake of leaving his empire a contentious mess after his death. Rand has the foresight of planning what will happen after he is gone. Even in his cold state that he is in now he is still trying to perserve and even create things that will be left behind after he is gone. Like his schools for example, I think he made three though Elayne claimed one .

As for Moriane most feel she is going to be the thing that get's Rand over his guilt of letting die or killing women. We don't know what state Moriane is even going to be in when they do find her. It will be really fun to see Mat and Thom with the third person going and get her. We pretty much know they will have to cheat to get her. Though there has always been this vision about Mat having to weigh destiny against two Aes Sedai or two female channlers. I don't feel he has made that choice yet and I think it will involve Moraine somehow, the price of this bet has also been hinted at his eye.

Posted by: MysteryloverAnne Aug 30 2009, 01:41 PM

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Posted by: Shard Aug 30 2009, 06:20 PM

No the prophecy said that he would break the Aiel and only a remenant of a remenant would survive. This could be the Shaido unless something actually wipes them out anyways.

I've been thinking that when Mat goes to save Moraine there is going to be a Finn trick. What if they present two Morianes but only one of them is legit? Or even something as macabe as Moraine in Lanfear's body. These are just scenarios I've been wondering about with Mat's need to decide between two channlers. Though maybe he has to decide between Toun and Moraine on something else.

Yeah the Light has been good in getting resources unfortunatly their resources are full of wevils and they need to do alot of winnowing.

Posted by: Harrys Horntail Sep 1 2009, 04:30 AM

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Posted by: MysteryloverAnne Sep 1 2009, 07:49 AM

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I thought we were starting to make progress, but the above quote is really discouraging!

Is it weird that I find it really exciting? That we really are about to come into that final round and it all comes down to how much heart our guys have.

Posted by: Seven of Nine Sep 1 2009, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(Seven of Nine @ Aug 31 2009, 06:46 AM)

I thought we were starting to make progress, but the above quote is really discouraging!

Is it weird that I find it really exciting? That we really are about to come into that final round and it all comes down to how much heart our guys have.

No - it isn't weird. I had a similar reaction (though the boxing metaphor was a little contrived.) The odds really are against the Light; and winning isn't the same thing as survival - even if the Dark One is defeated, it might be at the cost of lives that are dear to us. As Jo reminded us, people die in wars and orphans are created. A complete victory with happy endings all around would strain our credulity.

Posted by: Shard Sep 1 2009, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(MysteryloverAnne @ Sep 1 2009, 06:49 AM)

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QUOTE(Seven of Nine @ Aug 31 2009, 06:46 AM)

I thought we were starting to make progress, but the above quote is really discouraging!

Is it weird that I find it really exciting? That we really are about to come into that final round and it all comes down to how much heart our guys have.

No - it isn't weird. I had a similar reaction (though the boxing metaphor was a little contrived.) The odds really are against the Light; and winning isn't the same thing as survival - even if the Dark One is defeated, it might be at the cost of lives that are dear to us. As Jo reminded us, people die in wars and orphans are created. A complete victory with happy endings all around would strain our credulity.

Oh yes. Are any of you getting a feeling of deja vu? Like we haven't in the past gone into a book(s) where we knew characters we'd come to love were going to die . . .

On another note, I just noticed something I'd missed before. I hadn't realized that the people following Mat and Perrin were being drawn to their Tavereness just as they are drawn to Rand.

Posted by: Seven of Nine Sep 1 2009, 11:45 AM

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Posted by: Shard Sep 1 2009, 10:14 PM

Well then I think it's his personal experience I've been told there's alot of boxing in the military branches especially Navy vs Army.

I think a better analogy is that the Light has a ton of supplies but half of it is corrupted or broken and the problem is they don't know which half it is and won't know until it's too late.

I don't think any have been mentioned but I'm sure it does happen.

Posted by: Seven of Nine Sep 2 2009, 01:25 PM

I'm wondering about Calandor. When Rand uses it against the Seanchan he ends up killing a bunch of his own people and is told that it's meant to be used by a man and a woman (I'm guessing Egwene when the time comes--unless it's Moiraine, which would make sense if she's to play such a vital role at the last battle). However, he used it to kill the bad guys in a rather spectacular way when they attacked the Stone in Tear. So what's the difference?

Posted by: Shard Sep 4 2009, 05:32 AM

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Posted by: Seven of Nine Sep 5 2009, 05:02 PM

The first chapter is now available at http://www.dragonmount.com/News/. You'll have to join--it's free. Audio is available as well as the written word.

Posted by: MysteryloverAnne Sep 5 2009, 05:54 PM

Nope....I hate getting a taste when I want the whole thing. I will wait for the book to come out (and respectfully ask anyone who does want to discuss the chapter one peek to use spoiler tags.)

Posted by: Shard Sep 6 2009, 11:33 AM

It wasn't that spoilery honestly, I think it's more of showcasing Brandon's writing style for the rest of this series. It's a way of showing the fans what to expect.

That being said:

I really enjoyed it though there are parts or lines that are clearly Brandon, it's as they said that this would be Brandon's voice but in an Epic Jordan way. I feel that is exactly it, there's just something different. It's not bad but it's different and I think I would still notice had I not been told but I wouldn't make a huge deal about it.

I think we do get some good leads into what this book will be about now with mentioning Graendal, Asmo, Arad Domon, and even the sword Rand is now carrying.

Posted by: Seven of Nine Sep 7 2009, 10:36 AM

After I listened to the first chapter, I realized that I will need to go back and listen again the some of the end of KoD, because I'm not remembering some of the things being referred to. It sucks to get old!

Posted by: Shard Sep 7 2009, 04:19 PM

Your not the only one that does this, lots of people are re-reading. In fact Brandon is going to do a re-read himself of KoD when he begins WoT13 and he had read the entire series last year.

Posted by: Harrys Horntail Sep 7 2009, 05:16 PM

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Posted by: Shard Sep 9 2009, 07:49 AM

Have you read the chapter 7of9? Did you like it?

I can understand the chapter being a tease but I'm glad I read it it was really good insight into what's to come. Those who have read it are already exploding with discussion on it. Can't wait to see the talks when the whole thing is released.

Posted by: Seven of Nine Sep 10 2009, 01:18 PM

Actually, Shard, I listened to it, since that was an option on that site. I'm excited that the audiobook will be released at the same time as the hardback book. If anyone's been interested in hearing what they are like, you can get a little sampling from there. I will say that Michael Kramer (there are two readers) is the only one we hear in that chapter. He reads this one much slower than he has previous books, but I love his--he's fabulous.

As to the chapter, I'd forgotten that they captured a forsaken at the end of KoD. I guess I got so caught up in Rand losing his hand that I forgot about the other. I think it's funny that Cadsuane is getting frustrated that Rand won't let them torture Graendal.

Posted by: Shard Sep 11 2009, 06:22 PM

Yeah Audio books are an excellent way to listen to the books... I mean when you can't sit and just read the book it's cool to have an audio option.

Boy of all the details to forget about huh? lol

Apparently the Swords identity may have been confirmed now.

Posted by: Seven of Nine Sep 26 2009, 05:22 PM

Hmmmm . . . I was just listening to Chapter 2 of The Gathering Storm, and it's talking about Egwene's situation in the White Tower (no spoilers here as this is all information found in KoD). She was being given her regular dose of fork root tea, and it make me wonder about something. What happens when someone is given a small dose of it on a regular basis? Remember they are only giving her enough to damper her ability to channel and not to keep her from channeling at all. Could it be like some kinds of poison that can be ingested in small amounts so as to build up a resistance?

ETA
Wow, the realization Egwene comes to at the end of chapter 2 is rather pointedly similar to something Rand needs to learn. So could it be Egwene and not Cadsuane and Amis who will help Rand fix himself?

Posted by: Seven of Nine Oct 3 2009, 09:36 AM

What does the DO want with Rand? Not dead (he's had him saved twice). Does he want to turn him and have Rand help him take out the Creator?

Posted by: Shard Oct 5 2009, 11:19 AM

Well if the DO can turn Rand to the Dark Side I believe he feels that Rand will be able to fully release him from the prision. Rand is supposed to be the Champion of the light and if they can get him to betray that then it is the ultimate win. You see I think they are bluffing when they say "dead or alive we can use you" I think if he dies they CANNOT use him, at least not the way they want to.

Posted by: Seven of Nine Oct 5 2009, 12:58 PM

My son and I were talking about what the DO might want with Rand. My son suggested that Lews Therin, when he killed himself and created Dragonmount, did something unique. Normally if you draw too much power, you still yourself. I know sometimes people die, but does that come from drawing too much power? My son wonders if the DO thinks that by using a turned Rand it will give the DO a weapon to take on the Creator.

Posted by: Shard Oct 5 2009, 08:41 PM

I have a feeling that in all the turnings of the Wheel the DO has never turned The Dragon Soul aka Rand and Lews. I noticed that in the other times where Rand has died I asked myself why didn't the DO get free then? Like the worlds where Rand dies before even knowing his destiny and yet somehow the DO is still stuck. It would seem to me that the DO needs Rand alive and on HIS side to get out.

Posted by: Seven of Nine Oct 6 2009, 12:46 PM

Yes, that's what we were thinking. Even in those worlds where the DO one and trollics destroyed everything, the DO was still bound. So just killing Rand can't be the goal.

Posted by: Seven of Nine Oct 13 2009, 12:59 PM

Wow. I'd never heard of the body swap theory and was wondering everyone's take on it is. It has to do with Rand's balefire stream that crossed with Moridin's (we assume it was him) in Shador Logoth. Since that happened Rand's been having trouble with Saidin and it's like there's a third person in his head (like Lews Therin isn't enough, right?). And as time goes by, Rand is able to see this third person now--see what the person looks like.

It's being suggested that Min's viewing of Rand being two people and merging into one (that I'd always thought would be Lews) Therin) is actually about Rand and Moridin becoming one.

Posted by: Shard Oct 16 2009, 01:35 PM

It's a theory that has been around for awhile, see this is why you needed to read the forums like Dragonmount. Though the same could be said for Harry Potter as well.

As for the theory I kinda feel the same way about the Harrycrux one, it's so strange I just don't know what to think. Personally I don't think Rand being put into Moridin's body sounds like a good idea. I mean Moridin's body is all addicted to the Saa now so I think I rather have the branded, rotting, one hand body thank you.

Posted by: Seven of Nine Oct 16 2009, 03:01 PM

Eeewwww. . . I'd completely forgotten about that. So that definitely wouldn't be a good thing for Rand. Just over a week now!

Posted by: Harrys Horntail Oct 27 2009, 02:09 PM

Got my copy on my doorstep this morning. I suspect I'll be reading alllll day

Posted by: Seven of Nine Oct 27 2009, 02:58 PM

Ugh! I haven't got mine yet. I was hoping the audiobook would be available today, too, but I'm not seeing it yet. Grrrr!

ETA--It's up!!! I'll download it when I get home from work tonight!!

Posted by: MysteryloverAnne Oct 27 2009, 08:25 PM

QUOTE(Harrys Horntail @ Oct 27 2009, 02:09 PM)

Got my copy on my doorstep this morning. I suspect I'll be reading alllll day

Posted by: Seven of Nine Nov 1 2009, 09:42 PM

Wow. All I can say is, "Wow." I've got to digest this a bit and then I'll comment.

Posted by: MysteryloverAnne Nov 1 2009, 10:12 PM

Mine still isn't here.....it is somewhere 'in transit' according to UPS tracking...I was supposed to have it Friday.

Posted by: Seven of Nine Nov 2 2009, 06:45 PM

I picked up my paper copy from Barnes & Noble during lunch today. I'm doing this one a little differently than I've always done the HP books. I would usually read the paper book and then listen to the audio. This time I listened to the audio, and now I'll read the book.

All I can say is Egwene rocks!

Posted by: Harrys Horntail Nov 2 2009, 07:04 PM

MLA: that really bites! I hope it gets to you really soon so you can read and enjoy

QUOTE(Seven of Nine @ Nov 3 2009, 11:45 AM)

Posted by: Seven of Nine Nov 5 2009, 03:08 PM

Yes, the little bit of Perrin that we see is very angst ridden. I was surprised.

After I got my hard copy of the book, I went back and read the chapter with Rand's turning point. I really liked it, but I'm wondering how Cadsuane could claim any credit for helping Rand to learn anything. It seems more that Tam helped Rand do. The only credit Cadsuane can take, imho, is that she got Nynaeve to find out where Perrin was so someone could go and get Tam. Can I just say I love Tam? I want to learn more about him, and I want to see him interact more with Rand. I loved how he put Cadsuane in her place.

Posted by: MysteryloverAnne Nov 5 2009, 10:43 PM

I agree with you, Seven of Nine, about Cadsuane - I distrust her more the more I see of her. I was a little disappointed that Mat and Thom didn't make it to the Tower of Genghi (spelling?) in this book.

Posted by: Seven of Nine Nov 6 2009, 02:39 PM

Well, with the next book being titled The Tower of Midnight I think we'll finally get that one resolved.

Posted by: Seven of Nine Nov 28 2009, 11:13 AM

I had a chance to ask Brandon some questions at a book signing last night. He said there is a hint in TGS about who killed Asmodean. I also asked about the 3 oaths and and they will really mean anything what with strong channelers among the Aiel Wise Ones (no oaths), Sea Folk Wind Finders (no oaths), and Seanchan Damani (no oaths). He commented a bit about how important the oaths are to the AS, but he wouldn't give any hints as to whether Egwene will change her mind about them.

Posted by: Shard Nov 30 2009, 05:27 AM

Bradon said that the title was also a reference to three Towers and he was even tempted to use that 'The Three Towers' as a title for homage to Tolkien.