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Posted by: PoeticSoul Jul 8 2007, 10:44 AM

I have been sitting on this theory for three months, debating with myself if I should post it. The reason for not posting was, because I didn't want to ruined it for others. because this is the best theory I have ever thought up and written. I intend to build my case with passages from all the books.

I chose to post this theory, because the book is coming out in a month, and I don't want to sit on it any longer. I urge readers to think twice before proceeding. As a wise man once said: " Curiosity isn't a sin, but we should exercise caution with our curiosity". It's a long read, but I promise it will be worth it.


Now let's begin at the beginning. The passage that led to the big bang in my head. The starting place and also the corner stone of my theory. It was the chapter in CoS, where Riddle goes to Dippet, asking him if he could stay at Hogwarts. Especially this passage:

[quote]Chambers of Secret, The Very Secret Diary, P.182

"The thing is, Tom" he sighed, "Special arrangements might have been made for you, but in the current circumstances..."

Riddle's eyes had widened. "Sir- if the person was caught...if it all stopped.."[/quote]

This is what made my things click in my head. We all know how it all ended. Hagrid was framed and Hogwarts remained open. Riddle imprisoned the basilisk in his chambers, until the moment he would be let loose again. Rowling never let us know what happened to Riddle’s request. She didn't because she would have given away a big clue.

Riddle remained during the holidays at Hogwarts.
I am certain Dippet decided Riddle could stay at Hogwarts. There are many indicators for it. Tom Riddle was a most promising and a brilliant student, as we have learned from many sources. Teachers liked him, clamoured to help him.

[quote]Half Blood Prince, A Sluggish Memory, P.337

"As an unusually talented and very good looking orphan, he natural drew attention from the staff almost from the moment of his arrival. He seemed polite, quite and thirsty for knowledge. Nearly all were most favourable impressed by him."[/quote]

and:

[quote]Chambers of Secret, The Very Secret Diary, P.182

The thing is, Tom," he sighed " Special arrangements might have been made for you, but in the current circumstances...[/quote]

Last but not least:

[quote]
Half blood Prince, Lord Voldemort's Request, P.405

"So Voldemort went off to to Borgin and Burkes, and all the staff who had admired him said what a waste it was, a brilliant young wizard like that, working in a shop"[/quote]

This is another indication of how much the teachers believed he would do great things with his life. He did, only not like they envisioned it. That they were following his progress after him graduating, proves they cared about his persona, talent and career.

The relation Riddle shares with Dippet reminds me of Dumbledore and Harry relationship. The only difference is that Dumbledore and Harry relationship is genuine and giving both ways, Dippet/Riddle is not. It's obvious Riddle is using Dippet, using the old Headmaster fondness for his own gain.

[quote]Half Blood Prince, Lord Voldemort Request, P.404

"I had advised Armando against the appointment- I did not give the reasons I have given you, for professor Dippet was very fond of Voldemort and convinced of his honesty."[/quote]

Another passage witch I use to point out that Dippet did let him stay at Hogwarts. If Dumbledore did not intervened he would've probably given him the DADA job. That Dippet gave Riddle a prestigious award, and the Head Boy badge, only supports it further.

I think I have shown enough reasons why we can assume Riddle was granted his wish, to stay at Hogwarts. Now we can continue.

Why did Tom Riddle want to stay at Hogwarts?

[quote]Chambers of Secret, The Very Secret Diary, P.182

No" Riddle said at once, "I much rather stay at Hogwarts than go back to that- to that-" "You live in a Muggle orphanage during the holiday I believe?" said Dippet curiously.[/quote]


I don't believe this is the real reason. We are talking about someone who didn't hesitate to free a murderous Basilisk in the school, witch ultimately resulted in the death of a student. Furthermore, he didn't even care that when framing Hagrid, he was destroying a innocent man's life. All this, gives me the idea that Riddle did not care, the way Dippet thought, that if he were to stay a couple holidays at the Muggle Orphanage.

An orphanage that he terrorised from a young age, now as an adult there is not much that the orphanage would dared to do to control him or order him around. His real reason behind the request I will answer later on.

Why did Tom Riddle visit the Gaunts?

[quote]Chambers of Secret, The Very Secret Diary, P.182

"You are Muggle-born?" "Half blood, sir" Said Riddle Muggle father, witch mother. "And are both your parents-?" My mother died just after I was born, sir. They told me at the orphanage she lived long enough to name: Tom after my father, Marvolo after my grandfather."[/quote]

This another a pivotal moment in the books, because this shows us that Riddle has found out about his lineage and his family background. He knew he was named after his Grandfather, which meant he knew who his mother was and where she use to live.

[quote]Half Blood Prince, The Secret Riddle, P.257

My mother can't have been magic, or she wouldn't have died" said Riddle more to himself than Dumbledore, his voice gentle.[/quote]

I think young Riddle always saw his mother, as a woman who died out of love her son. A mother that protected him safely in her womb while enduring hardship, all out of live for her son, and ultimately died of it.

It must have been a blow to him, than everything that he envisioned was false. That his mother died because of the love she felt for his father, his muggle sire. Which led to his hate for Muggles. Also when he found out that his mother, who was a witch, could have saved herself from her death by magic. Was, what I believe, the spark that ignited his search for immortality. This is where his quest began.

[quote]Half blood Prince, Horcruxes, P.464

It's natural to feel some curiosity about these things wizards of a certain calibre have always been drawn to that aspect of magic..."

"No....well....you'd be hard pushed to find a book at Hogwarts that'll give you details on Horcruxes, Tom."[/quote]

Slughorn was right when he said that. He perused the Libary, and found nothing except the word Horcruxes Like.....

[quote]Half blood Prince, Birthday Surprises, P.357

"I haven't found one single explanation of what Horcruxes do!" she told him " Not a single one! I've been right through the restricted section and even in the most horrible books...........All I could find was this, in the introduction to Magick Moste Evile -listen- " of the Horcrux, wickedest of magical inventions, we shall not speak nor give direction"[/quote]

Riddle and Hermione both share a thirst for knowledge, and usually quench that thirst in the Library. Riddle, like Hermione did after him, hit a wall. And decided to get his information in a different manner. That's why he went to the Gaunts.

[quote]Meanwhile, the Hogwarts library had failed Hermione for the first time in living memory. She was so shocked.[/quote]
OT, I always found this passage very amusing.[yes] Returning to the topic again;

[quote]Halfblood Prince, A Sluggish Memory, P.341

He moved forward into the room, allowing the door to swing shut down behind him. Harry could not help but feel a resentful admiration for Voldemort's complete lack of fear. His face merely expressed disgust and, perhaps, disappointment.[/quote]

When Riddle went to the Gaunts. He expected them to be a prestigious wizarding family, living in a great mansion. He was so sure, because they were Slytherin's heirs. Their pride wouldn't have suffered anything less than the best. Slytherin is one of the greatest wizard that has ever lived, and their lineage is old and pure blood. This explains even more why Riddle was so disappointed when he entered Morphine’s quarter.

What did Tom Riddle want with Marvolo Gaunt?
After his search for a explanation, of Horcrux, in the Library of Hogwarts was futile. He took another approach. As I said, Riddle had envisioned the Gaunts to be a prestigious, old pureblooded family, and everything that came with it(Mansion, Library etc) He also believed, that since they were heirs of Slytherin, they must have a love and practise the dark arts like him.

That's the real reason for his visit to the Gaunts. He wanted to ask Marvolo about the Horcruxes. Perhaps it was knowledge that he would not get the answers he was looking for, saw what became of the Slytherin lineage and Morphins words about his mother, and perhaps even through Legillemence saw the pain he caused her. May be the reason why he framed him.

Tom Riddle visit to the Riddle mansion
As we all know it resulted in the death Of the Riddle Family, and the imprisonment of Morphin gaunt. That was a pivotal moment in the life of Tom Riddle. His transition from Tom Riddle into Voldemort you might say.

This was the first time he ever used the AK curse, and as we know the first time can be hard on someone. Tom Riddle left the Riddle mansion forever changed, with his soul troubled. But explaining it he could not.

I think he knew what the consequences were if one were to choose to use the killing curse. But the consequences, of killing his own kin, I don't think he knew.

Tom Riddle begin his Sixth Year at Hogwarts.
Riddle began this year with a new ring around his finger. The Slytherin ring, a souvenirs from his quest, like the tears he was feeling in his soul. Riddle used this year to prepare himself for the questioning of Slughorn, like Harry did.

Perhaps that was the main reason why Riddle joined the Slug club. All year he kept flattering Slughorn and showering him with gifts. Until the moment came for him to final get the answers he's been longing for. As we all know he cornered Slughorn and, due to fondness, learned about the Horcruxes and more.

[quote]Half Blood Prince, Horcruxes, P.465

“Well you split your soul, you see” said Slughorn, “ and hide part of it in an object outside the body. Then, even if one’s body is attacked or destroyed, one cannot die, for part of the soul remains earthbound and undamaged.[/quote]

Finally he unlocked the truth about the Horcruxes and with that the path to immortality.

[quote]Half Blood Prince, Horcruxes, P.465

“By an act evil – the supreme act of evil. By committing murder. Killing rips the soul apart. The wizard intent upon creating a Horcrux would use the damage to his advantage”[/quote]

He finally understood why his soul felt unsettled, and the reason for it. That, without Slughorn knowing, has already fulfilled some of the terms needed for creating a Horcrux, when he killed the Riddle family.

After that I think the relationship between Slughorn and Riddle cooled down, because Riddle had no use for him any more. Slughorn hands was tied, in his eagerness to please Riddle, he had broken moral codes and school rules. If he had told someone what he did, he would have lost his job. Instead he kept quite, hoping Riddle would do nothing with the information.

But as we all know life turned out different. Riddle became the darkest wizard that has ever lived. And Slughorn had a large hand in him become that wizard, and with that all the lives that was lost through his campaign. Another reason why he tampered with his memory, he was ashamed of his role in that.

Tom Riddle enters in his last year at Hogwarts
This was his last year, the NEWT years. Riddle was a brilliant student, and did not need all his time to study for these exams. I think most of his time went into creating the Horcruxes. In his Sixth Year he learned what was needed to make one, now he had to train himself to indeed create one.

Making a Horcrux is very hard, because you have to tear a part of your soul. If you have succeeded in that, it will be smooth sailing from there. Tom Riddle did not make one Horcrux in that year- but three. That's is why he came to seven. His soul was already torn in three pieces, after he killed the Riddles, and decided to go for the powerful seven. Also he used his last year, forming his Death Eaters and his muggle hate campaign.
Though it became his last year, I don't think Riddle was planning on leaving. He made plans for himself, so that he could stay.

[quote]Half Blood Prince, Lord Voldemort Request, P.404

I did not want Lord Voldemort back at this school, and especially not in a position of power.[/quote]
Due to Dumbledore interference he had to.

What were the Horcruxes Riddle made in Hogwarts?Two of the Three Horcuxes Riddle made in Hogwarts is already known: The Slytherin Ring and the Diary. The third one is Hogwarts, though I have to be more precise. I think he left a part of him in Hogwarts, in a room. Are you beginning to see where I'm headed.

Riddle only uses items that mean a great deal to him, the thing that he cares most about in the world is Hogwarts. It would be only fitting that he would choose Hogwarts, or a part of it, as one of those items.

The room Riddle chose to place his soul became the Room of Requirement as we know it now.

The nature of the Room of Requirement.
The nature of the Room of Requirement is interesting to investigate. That it only shows itself when you need it. It's brilliant. Because when we need something we usually never ask why or how, but only want to do whatever to answer that need. It reminds me of how spider entraps their victims with their web. Even the best has fallen into it.

[quote]Goblet of Fire, The Yule Ball, P.363

“Only this morning for instance, I took a wrong turning on the way to the bathroom and found myself in a beautifully proportioned room I have never seen before, containing a really rather magnificent collection of chamber pots.“[/quote]

Even the great Dumbledore used the Room of requirement, but due to his need to relieve himself, did not ask himself why the room is there.

[quote]Goblet of Fire, The Yule Ball, P.363

When I went back to investigate more closely, I discovered that the room vanished.[/quote]

But afterwards he did and when he went to investigate he found it disappeared. This nature is the Room of Requirement's protection.

As I said before I found this nature very interesting and suddenly things start to click. Because we have seen this behaviour before. That a need was fulfilled by someone, who later turned out to be a threat, a Horcrux. I am referring to Ginny and her abduction by the Diary, it's Horcrux brother.

[quote]Chambers of Secret, The Heir of Slytherin, P.239

I’ve been writing in it, and he’s been w-writing back all year-“
[/quote]
As we all know Ginny was lonely, insecure and vulnerable. She had a need for friendship, a need to be consoled, a need to be understood and helped. Needs which made her vulnerable and a easy prey.

[quote]Chamber of Secret, The Heir of Slytherin, P.228

“The diary” said Riddle. “My diary. Little Ginny’s been writing in it for months and months, telling me all her pitiful worries and woes: how her brothers tease her ……………..It’s very boring , having to listen to the silly little troubles of an eleven – year – old girl” he went on. “ But I was patient I wrote back, I was sympathetic, I was kind. Ginny simply loved me. “No one’s ever understood me like you Tom…I’m so glad I’ve got this diary to confide in…it’s like having a friend I can carry around in my pocket”[/quote]


Riddle’s words, gives us a glimpse in how the Diary went to work. And how much it resembles the Room of Requirement.. That he fulfilled her need to gain her trust and then started to control her. It was Ginny's need for a friend witch led her to almost dieing.

[quote]Chambers of Secret, The heir of Slytherin, P.228

“If I say it myself, Harry, I’ve always been able to charm the people I needed. So Ginny poured out her soul to me, and her soul happened to be exactly what I wanted. I grew stronger and stronger on a diet on her deepest fears, her darkest secrets.[/quote]


The way Ginny spoke about her abduction is the same fashion in which Hogwarts finds himself, or more precisely the room that Riddle turned into a Horcrux. Could the RoR benefiting from people using it? Perhaps it’s feeding itself with the magic of the person using it. Like the Diary did with Ginny.

Continues in the next post.


How a ordinary room became the Room of Requirement.
After Riddle turned the room in a Horcrux, it started to weave itself with the magical essence of the castle. It started slowly and with caution, not to draw attention to him. It was more than fifty years since Riddle left the castle, which could have given the Horcrux a lot of time to collect power. However I don't think it used it's power, until that year Harry entered Hogwarts. There never was a Room of Requirement before Harry enrolment. I have passages that support this claim.

[quote]Order of the Phoenix, Educational Degree Number Twenty-Four, P.331

“So,” said Sirius “ How are you organizing this group? Where are you meeting?” “Well that’s a bit of a problem now” said Harry “Dunno where going to be able to go.”…….” Fair point,” said Sirius, looking slightly crestfallen. “Well, I’m sure you’re come up with somewhere”[/quote]

We never heard about this room from the Marauders, who discovered every part of the castle while they were at Hogwarts. Sirius would have certainly shared this information with his godson. He shared the map, the secret passageways etc, he would certainly this infromation if he knew.

[quote]Order of the Phoenix, Dumbledore's Army, P.344

"This room isn't just some mad idea of Dobby's; Dumbledore knows about it, too, he mentioned it to me at the Yule Ball." Hermione expression cleared. " Dumbledore told you about it?" Just in passing said Harry shrugging "Oh, well then it's all right then." Said Hermione briskly and raised nor more objections[/quote]

Another strong indication for me. Because with every thing new Hermione or the trio discoveres in the castle she would look it up Hogwarts: A History (Which means that it wasn't build by the founders.) or the library for information and afterwards refer to it in her conversation with her friends. Never have we heard her say anything about reading about the RoR somewhere, or give an explanation.

I found it odd. Normally Hermione would look up some information about something before using it. Because they're going to break school rules, they at least she would make sure they wouldn't be in for suprises.

Instead she is surprised like everyone else, the first time she entered it.

Harry presence created the Room of Requirement.
I think all these years after Riddle departure and downfall. The room remained at Hogwarts dormant like a Basilisk. Waiting to be freed, waiting to be united with it's master. Then suddenly everything started to change when Harry entered Hogwarts. The room came into motion and shed it’s old skin of silence. Why did it came out of it's dormant when it's master was still less than the meanest ghost. The reason I think is this.

[quote]Half Blood Prince, Spinner’s End, P.35,36

I should remind you, that when Potter arrived at Hogwarts there were still many stories circulating about him, rumours that he himself was a great Dark wizard, which was how he had survived the Dark Lord’s attack. Indeed, many of the Dark Lord’s old followers thought Potter might be a standard around which we could all rally around once more.[/quote]

Though Snape based his ideas solely on Harry performance as a baby. The Horcrux room did indeed had more proof to believe it's master returned. The reason for it is- Voldemort's essence that was left in Harry as a baby. But later on, like Snape, it realised it wasn't Voldemort. Because it's real master did return, trying to capture Flamel's stone and kill Harry in the process. But as we know Voldemort failed and returned back to being a spirit.

This encounter is what made the room turn itself into the Room of Requirement. It came to the conclusion that if it didn’t want to suffer the same fate as it master, it had to protect itself, cloak itself. It started to create undercover role for itself in Hogwarts. As we know the Room of Requirement fits perfectly in the world of Hogwarts, nobody would even suspect it.

The Horcrux turned the RoR in such a construction that it would be very hard to enter the Horcrux room. What I mean is, remember Matrix Reloaded, how every turn of the key it opened a different room. That is the same way the Room of Requirement works. Making people think out what they want, so that they could tailor the room accordance. It has become the shield of the Horcux, it’s protection.

I think only when Harry stands in front of the Room of Requirement, with the Horcux room deeply in his thoughts, it will finally show the correct room.

The real reason behind Voldemort's request.
[quote]
Halfblood, Lord Voldemort Request, P.404

The castle is a stronghold of ancient magic. Undoubtedly Voldemort had penetrated many more of it’s secrets than most of the students who pass through the place, but he may felt that there were still mysteries to unravel, stores of magic to tap.[/quote]

Dumbledore explanation is sound. While at Hogwarts he already uncovered the mystery behind his lineage and the Chambers of Secret on his one, where many people, even Dumbledore, failed. He discovered the secrets behind the Horcruxes. Created a Horcrux so that he could penetrate the ancient magic of the castle . He then began tapping it and storing the magic in the Room of Requirement. And this went on many years while he was gone.

All that time he was never concerned with the safety of his Horcrux. I don't think Voldemort returned to Hogwarts for the DADA position. I don't think he would be against it if it were given to him, as Dumbledore pointed out the advantages. But Voldemort already knew the answer before setting a foot in Dumbledore's office. Like with his request to Dippet, Voldemort had a different motive.

He feared Dumbledore, with his wisdom and power, would discover the Horcrux and destroy it. That is why he asked for the DADA position, because during his stay he could protect his treasure. But things did not turned out the way he wanted.


The curse on the DADA position.
Voldemort came to Dumbledore with the request, if he could become the DADA teacher. As we know Dumbledore denied his request, and since then there is a some sort curse on the DADA position. Many believe it was Voldemort who was responsible for this. He is, but not as you might think. I think this was the doing of one it's Horcrux. The Horcrux he left at Hogwarts.

[quote]Halfblood Prince, Lord Voldemort Request, P.417

For a second, Hary was on the verge of shouting a pointless warning: he was sure that Voldemort hand had twitched toward his pocket and wand; but then the had passed, Voldmort had turned away, the door was closing and he was gone.[/quote]

Voldemort was denied his request, and offended by Dumbledore words. His anger rising, his magic close to the surface almost breaking out. But Voldemort did not do anything and left.

This is what I think then happened. Through the connection the Horcrux room shared with Hogwarts and Voldemort, it felt what was going on with it's master. It felt it's anger and understood his wish, that he himself could not fulfil. This is where the Horcux came in and took over and answered his burning wish. With his grown magical power it cast some kind of curse over the position. I think over the years, as the room grew in power, it only strengthened it. Or perhaps he willed the Horcrux to take action, and when he sensed he succeeded he calmed down and left.

[quote]Half Blood Prince, Lord Voldemort Request, P.418

"The aftermath of our little meeting proved that. You see, we have never been able to keep a Defence Against the Dark Arts for longer than a year since I refused the post to Lord Voldemort.[/quote]

Even Dumbledore acknowledge that moment was a pivotal factor in what happened to the DADA position.



Why did Hogwarts not resist the Horcrux?
This has a simple answer. The castle is embedded with the essence of the founders magic. Riddle is the heir of Slytherin, the blood of Salazar Slytherin flows through his veins. That means the castle did not see it as a threat since it was caring some of the magical essences of it's builder.


What kind of effect does the Horcrux have on Hogwarts?
I see the Horcrux as a cancer, which is slowly but surely devouring Hogwarts from the inside. Slowly infusing with it’s magic. It could have made the castle magic, explosive, unstable, ready to burst. The Horcrux influence could be that the castle’s magic is becoming darker, abd effectig it surroundings

[quote]Chambers of Secret, The Whomping Willow, P.60

The car, however, had reached the end of it’s tether. With two smart clunks, the door flew open and Harry felt his seat tip sideways: next thing he knew he was sprawled on the damp ground. Loud thuds told him that the car was ejecting their luggage from the boot. ………Then, the car rumbled off into the darkness, it’s rear lights blazing angrily.[/quote]

A muggle car suddenly comes to life when it enters the magical realm of Hogwarts. As we know something that thinks for itself usually involves Dark magic. Furthermore, the car became hostile towards it's occupants. All this, I believe, is the result of the influence the Horcrux has begun to have on Hogwarts. Perhaps it could also explain why it fled into the forrest, to escape the Horcrux corrupting influence.

[quote]Chambers of Secret, Aragog, P.207

Harry gave the car a grateful pat as it reversed back into the forrest and disappeared from view.[/quote]

The car came to Harry and Ron's aid and ultimately saved their lives. It's behavior was normal, docile like a dog. It listened to it's occupants wishes. The car saved them from being eaten by ther spiders, and brought them savely home. But, like animals can, he sensed the danger of the dark presence again of the Horcrux on Hogwarts, and escaped again into the safe forrest.


Something of Ravenclaw or Gryffindor.

[quote]Half Blood Prince, Horcruxes, P.474

“You think there might be a Horcrux that one was once Ravenclaw’s or Gryffindor’s?” “An admirable succinct and accurate summary, yes” said Dumbledore, bowing his head.[/quote]
The castle belongs to Ravenclaw and Gryffindor. He killed two birds with one stone.


What does this mean for Deathly Hallows?
Could it be I accidentally stumbled on a twist? Perhaps Voldemort will win the battle at Hogwarts, and claim the castle. The more I think of the more it sounds right. It would be only fitting for Voldemort, to capture Hogwarts once in his life. If this is true, it would mean that Hogwarts would become his headquarters. Then the last confrontation between Harry and Voldemort will be inside Hogwarts, the place they both love the most. More precisely in the RoR.

Also, I think Half-Blood Prince potion book will return. Harry left it in the RoR. Perhaps Snape left him a advice or a spell for him to use to fight Voldemort.

Conclusion.
Tom Riddle thought himself to be the only person who could rightfully call himself the heir of Slytherin. He framed Morphin, because he was a disgrace to their lineage. Riddle did not have parents to look up to. Instead he looked up to the only family member he knew – Salazar Slytherin. He looked up to him and tried to mould himself in his reflection, tried emulate him.

That’s why my Room of Requirement theory makes sense. Because like Salazar Slytherin, when he departed. Riddle left something of himself behind at Hogwarts, before leaving Hogwarts.

Posted by: Rudius Hagrid Jul 8 2007, 01:53 PM

This theory was too long and well thought out to lose in the Horcrux threads, and Scribbulus is not going to publish again until after Deathly Hallows is released.

Also it brings up the thought in my mind as to what other purposes could the Room of Requirement bring to Deathly Hallows?

Note please, horcrux discussion in this thread must please be limited to being specifically pertaining to the Room of Requirement, otherwise it still belongs in the Horcrux threads.

So knock yourselves out and discuss away!

Rudius Hagrid
LL Moderator

Posted by: horcrux_specialist21 Jul 8 2007, 05:22 PM

i dont think the room it self is a horcrux but i do think its hiding one

Posted by: Chocolatl Jul 8 2007, 06:15 PM

Owcuddit beaHorcrux ifitza room?

(Gulp.) Sorry.

How could it be a Horcrux if it's a room? A Horcrux has to be an object, and a room is just an enclosed space.

Posted by: Spoonie88 Jul 8 2007, 06:22 PM

It could be something seen in the room, but I don't think it's the room itself for the reason Chocolatl gave.

Sorry. Didn't mean to squash it.

Posted by: Becci__Screaaam Jul 8 2007, 06:34 PM

I can't really find anything to pick at with this theory, you present a very good argument,
But I'm still not wholly convinced..

I think the room of requirement could be hiding a horcrux, or could give us a clue to the wherebaouts of the horcrux,
but I doubt it is a horcrux itself.
It just seems a little unlikely.
They could not open the locket right? (if I presume the locket in GP was the locket Voldemort used) I assumed that was because the soul was inside and they couldn't let it out.
But the door of the room in constantly opening.

Maybe Voldemort made the room, but only for the purposes to hide a horcrux or something, not to be a horcrux..

Posted by: RAVENKLAW Jul 8 2007, 06:42 PM

I think that the Room of Requirement itself either is or was a holding place for a horcrux. I think that Lord Voldemort, if and when he goes looking for that horcrux (presuming it to still be in the RoR), will launch an attack upon Hogwarts at the same time. He alone knows the thought needed to gain access to the holding area of this horcrux. He himself would have to be present when looking for it, instead of sending a dozen or so Death Eaters. Anyway, I do not think that a horcrux would remain in the Room of Requirement. Prehaps, but I think it to be unlikely.

Posted by: Saphira_shurtugal Jul 8 2007, 06:48 PM

I don't think that the Room itself is a Horocrux, maybe something within it. Otherwise, How would you kill the soul? You would have to destroy the whole room in search of the soul and besides, if it had been a Horocrux, Riddle aka Voldemort would have put some enchantments in it to prevent it from being opened by someone, like for example DD who was in desperate need of a bathroom. He would have sensed magical concealment and he would have known it was the dark type of magic. I don't know, I just don't think, In My Opinion, that the ROR is a Horocrux. Again IMO

Posted by: Becci__Screaaam Jul 8 2007, 06:53 PM

You just reminded me of something..
Remember Dumbledore could find traces of magic in the cave?
I think that drop-in line about the RoR was just another little hint from Dumbledore, those ones he loves doing where he pointing harry in the right direction and giving him some information for the future, but leaving it mysterious enough so that Harry has to do some work on his own.
I'm sure Dumbledore could find the RoR in a trice if he wanted to.

Posted by: Spoonie88 Jul 8 2007, 07:01 PM

The only way to truly find out for sure would be to go up to the RoR and say "Show me where the horcruxes are".

Posted by: KreacherKnows Jul 8 2007, 07:09 PM

this may be one of the more garbled things I have ever read on here - most of the quotes don't rationally relate to your premise which is a bit of a stretch to begin with.

The best reason this theory is bogus is that VM - according to DD - would have made HCXs out of something significant. An ordinary room isn't significant at all. Not to mention that you personify Hogwarts, which JK hasn't done in 6 books. Hogwash.

Posted by: angie_p Jul 8 2007, 07:35 PM

I don't think that the RoR is a horcrux. Why would it open for everyone thus exposing itself? I agree that it could be an object in the room. You would just have to find the right door. Maybe it's in that hudge room that the cabinet is in. There does seem to be a lot of objects in there. It could be any one of those. It would certainly give LV a reason to want to stay at Hogwarts.
If there is one in there, it will be the last one that Harry finds. I'm hoping that by then LV will have figured out what Harry is up to, and he will be there guarding it. Then there will be a hudge fight scene. That would be cool.

Posted by: JaneMarple9 Jul 9 2007, 05:29 AM

It is a very well thought out theory. However, I don't see how it can be. However I think it holds at least one secret Horcrux - I keep coming back to the tiara that Harry placed on the statue, to mark where he hid the Half Blood Prince's Potions book. I am thinking there is more to the Tiara than meets the eye. I would be interested to learn if Lord Voldemort ever used the Room of Requirement....

Posted by: auntie Jul 9 2007, 10:34 AM

i don't knwo about the tiara being a horcrux, but i do agree that voldy probably hid one of his horcuxes there either when he was a student or on one of the two occasion when he went to ask for a job

Posted by: Schnoffle Jul 9 2007, 10:50 AM

Ya I can't see this working. Especially since 1) you would assume that the room would not attract attention to itself if it were a horcrux, and 2) if we assume we understand how horcruxes work, you must kill someone near the same time that it was created, so who did he kill while at hogwarts? The riddles I don't think so...maybe for the purpose of making the diary, but I can't think of anyone else.

Posted by: auntie Jul 9 2007, 11:07 AM

moaning myrtle

Posted by: Luciusmymalfoy Jul 10 2007, 09:47 AM

I don't think the Room of Requirement is a Horcrux, basically becuse I don't think Volvemort would put a bit of his soul in something anyone can use in any way they want... that's a bit too reckless...

I do agree with those above that say it could be hiding a Horcrux.

Posted by: the_boy_who_lived Jul 10 2007, 09:54 AM

I don't think it's necessary to create the horcrux at the time of the murder. It is reasonable to think that soul tears do not readily heal so Voldemort would have plenty of time to use the tears to create horcruxes. He did not acquire the cup and locket for more than a year after he murdered his father and grandparents.

I don't think the RoR is a horcrux but I think the Tiara mentioned during Harry's hiding of the HBP potions book belonged to Ravenclaw and is perhaps a horcrux.

Posted by: HProx Jul 10 2007, 10:13 AM

yaa lol i was jus gona say the same thing that the Tiara must be a horcrux...

Posted by: Loony_LoveGood<3 Jul 10 2007, 10:22 AM

Oh yes there is so much more to the Tiara then meets the eye. J.K. does not throw little details in her books for nothing. I think that the Tiara is a Horcrux because all LV would have to do is think " I need a relic of Ravenclaws" and he would find that in the room. Then all he would have to think of is "I need a place to hide it" But when you think about it this is a precious piece of LV soul. Why are'nt there more baireers. harry could just pick up the Tiara and move it. I do not think that the room is a Horcrux because it is constantly changing and with it constantly changing I am not sure if the room would always be a Horcrux or would it only be a Horcrux when it was in the form of the room LV used to be a Horcrux.

Posted by: emjay Jul 10 2007, 10:33 AM

I have to agree.

I think the quotes are good for general discussion of horcruxes and how much and when Tom knew what he did. But they have nothing to do with with the RoR as one.


But mostly this just doesn't make any sense at all.
a) How can a room be an horcrux? It has to be an object, and a room is obviously not an object.
b) Like I always argue against the wand in Ollivander's as being a horcrux, this is just far too open and easy of a place to hide a horcrux. It's nothing at all like the complex and dangerous enchantments we saw on the cave, nor is it even giving it to a trusted Death Eater for safe keeping. This room is open for anybody to find in a place where a ton of people, including the one wizard Voldemort has ever feared Dumbledore the greatest wizard of the time. Voldemort didn't want people to know about his horcruxes, and it would be stupid to hide them somehwere where so many people could come across it.
c) You've assigned special powers to this room/horcrux which make no sense at all. Horcruxes don't draw attention to themselves. They're simply normal objects with a piece of your soul hidden inside. Thus, there's no reason to believe they have any special magical properties and can do things on their own (especially considering the locket, the ring, the diary never showed anything like that -- the diary was enchanted in addition to being a horcrux I believe)
C - 1 ) how on earth would it possibly have hidden for 50 years and then started to malfunction when Harry got there? It doesn't make any sense at all.
d) You need to murder somebody, and as far as we know nobody was murdered at Hogwarts, except Dumbledore but that is much later than you're placing the RoR as a horcrux.
e) I think, in theory, the idea of part of Hogwarts being a horcrux makes sense. It was the only place Tom Riddle felt at home and he loved it. And we know he makes horcruxes out of important things. However, Dumbledore believes he chose to make horcruxes out of things from the founders, which would serve in place of something actually of Hogwart's. And I for one believe Dumbledore knows what he's talking about.



So I'm sorry, but I don't see any reason at all why this could possibly be correct.

Posted by: Moli1962 Jul 10 2007, 12:12 PM

Whether or not the RoR is a horcrux or not, it is a VERY IMPORTANT PLACE

During an interview, JKR was asked where in Harry's world she would like to visit and she said
"a certain room on the seventh floor" = the RoR

I believe that the tiara in the room is Ravenclaw's tiara and is a horcrux and when Harry returns to the room to get the HBP's potions book, he will discover it

Dumbledore mentions the room to Harry in GoF, Dobby tells Harry about it, but WHO TOLD MALFOY?
answer? = his auntie Bellatrix

If she was at Hogwarts when she fell into the Dark Lord's circle (she is married to one of his classmates) and he charmed her, and convinced her that he trusted her above all others (she tells us this in HBP, "Spinner's End") and maybe he trusted her with a prized possession, (the tiara) like he trusted Lucius Malfoy with a prized possession (the diary). She wanted to hide it someplace safe (and Hogwarts is the safest place) so she paced back and forth saying "I need a place to hide this..." and the RoR appeared!
How else would Malfoy have known how to get into the room? He knew the room was there because they raided the DA the year before. But the room wasnt the same. The DA worked in a room with cushions and books, not junk people hid. Bellatrix told him how to hide the cabinet until it was fixed because she hid the tiara there.

By the way...about the vanishing cabinet...
The One vanishing cabinet is in Borgin and Burke's shop, the Other was in a hallway in Hogwarts
(Peeves broke it during Harry's first year when Filch drags Harry to his office for tracking mud in the school, Nearly Headless Nick encourages Peeves to drop it so Filch will come after him and leave Harry. Harry sees the "Quik-Spell" envelope on Filch's desk and discovers that Filch is a Squib)

Could Voldy have placed the cabinets so that he could sneak back into Hogwarts undetected?

Posted by: molliwobbles Jul 10 2007, 12:22 PM

What is really odd about this room..
Like PoeticSoul said the Marauders hadn´t found out about the room and even Fred and George, although they once used it ( it was broom cupboard then) to hide for Filch had no idea of the real meaning of the ROR until Harry told them.
But the way Jo described the room when Harry hid his potion book in it..huge, cathedralsized full of rows and rows of hidden things, Regarding the quantities of the objects inside it a lot of people must have known about it.
That doesn´t add up IMO. It should have been an open secret at least among the students.
And I have another question concerning the knowledge of the room. How did Draco knew the Vanishing Cabinet was in this special erm..category of the ROR? Who put it there in the first place?
And BTW did Snape about the room?
Trewlawny seemed to use it quite frequently..

Posted by: Schnoffle Jul 10 2007, 01:41 PM

moaning myrtle was killed by the basilisk, not Voldemort, so his soul wouldn't be torn since it wasn't from him.

Posted by: Schnoffle Jul 10 2007, 01:42 PM

I think he says in book 6 he knew it got moved after the one slytherin got stuck in it (i am pretty sure it is in there, but I am not going to go looking through it )

Posted by: JaneMarple9 Jul 10 2007, 01:52 PM

About the vanishing cabinets

Half Blood Prince - The Lightening Struck Tower

Posted by: Schnoffle Jul 10 2007, 01:53 PM

I thought he said something about it getting moved or something, too...hmm

Posted by: hedwig382 Jul 10 2007, 03:52 PM

I agree Moli! It is possible that Voldy knew about the cabinets because he worked at Borgin and Burkes and maybe thats why he wanted to work at Hogwarts - so he could have access to the school and use it as a headquarters once Dumbledore was gone! No one could stop him because Hogwarts has spells and enchantments protecting it and he could call forth the Basilisk from Hogwarts anytime he wanted. (OMG that is SCARY!)

I also agree with you that Malfoy was probably told about the room of requirement by his Aunt Bellatrix - she was, after all, giving him Occlumency lessons, and he may have confided in her that he needed a place to hide the cabinet FROM SNAPE - she would have been only to happy to help him!

About the tiara - Helena Bonham Carter, who is playing Bellatrix, says she thought of her as mad but also "posh and sophisticated" so I am picturing her dressed up and showing off - she definately would've had a tiara!

Posted by: I12BMagic Jul 10 2007, 04:05 PM

I think more than likely, Tom was looking for a place to hide something (not a horcrux), and happened upon the RoR ... since he was already there, he decided to have a look around and came upon some books, long ago banned and forgotten about ... that is probably how he found out the exact steps necessary to complete the horcrux. It's probably a good bet that he remembered that room & did actually hide one there as well.

Hopefully, Harry will take a look at some of them when he goes to get the book he hid there & he'll find out more info that will help him.

Oh ... I also think DD was also giving Harry a snippet of information for future use ... I think he knew about the room.

Posted by: emjay Jul 11 2007, 10:25 AM

I think people know about the RoR, just now what it is or how to use it exactly.
The twins found it, but it was only somewhere to hide. I'm sure they're not the first to accidentally stumble upon something there and not find it again. After all, there are vanishing steps, stairways that move around, suits of armor that move around, people in pictures go wherever. Things at Hogwarts seem to come and go, and it's difficult to know all the secrets. So it makes sense that somebody would find and use the RoR once and then not think of it again when they can't access it a second time.



Which to mean points to yet another reason it wouldn't be a horcrux. It's too unstable, too changing. It doesn't always work (as we've seen when Harry tried to find Malfoy there) and it can work against you (the DA getting caught). It's possible to find it once and not be able to use it again. If you don't think of the exact thing, you're unlikely to get what you had before. Anybody can access it. It would be a very dangerous and stupid place for a horcrux or even to hide one would be risky.

Posted by: fanofpotter Jul 11 2007, 10:59 AM

That is some very interesting points that you present about the RoR being a Horcruxe. I especially like this summation:

I, too, think that Harry will retrieve the HBP potions book from the RoR to assist in his battle with LV. I think that he will inadvertantly find a horcruxe or clue to one while in there.

Posted by: ~phoenix~song~ Jul 11 2007, 02:33 PM

Well i think the room is quite important, perhaps Hary will locate the room and fins all the horcruxes in it...but that would be an easy way out. But when harry hides his potions book in that weird church place in HBP there were a lot of objects...something in there has got to be of value, not just the vanishing cabinet???


~phoenix~song~