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[12:57] <andythehouseelf> Hey guys!
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[12:58] <DorisTLC> Hi, we'll be starting in a few minutes
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[12:59] <SoonerGryffindor> Hey everyone
[13:00] <PolythenePam> Hi
[13:00] <Aislinn> hi all!
[13:00] <andythehouseelf> hey guys
[13:00] <SoonerGryffindor> Is the topic Remus Lupin today?
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[13:01] <andythehouseelf> no
[13:01] <Aislinn> HP and the Modern Eera
[13:01] <Aislinn> era
[13:01] <SoonerGryffindor> darn... I tried to sign on to the chat Wednesday, but it kept saying it was offline
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[13:01] <Aislinn> we had some bugs with it on Wed
[13:01] <Aislinn> sorry you had trouble getting in
[13:03] <andythehouseelf> well start at quarter past guys so you can chill and chat for a bit smile
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[13:04] <Jrg1990> hey y'all
[13:04] <Belenzie> hey all
[13:04] <andythehouseelf> hey guys
[13:05] <DorisTLC> Hey everyone!
[13:05] <Belenzie> so who or what are we butchering today???
[13:05] <Jrg1990> What is the topic today? *has no idea*
[13:05] <Aislinn> sooner, the transcript for the Lupin chat is posted on the Bulletin Board section of the lounge
[13:05] <andythehouseelf> its HP and the Modern Era
[13:05] <Aislinn> today is HP in the Modern Era
[13:05] <andythehouseelf> HA! Beat you! :P
[13:06] <Jrg1990> lol
[13:06] <Aislinn> lol
[13:06] <Belenzie> woop! go Andy
[13:06] *** topic HP in the Modern Era (DorisTLC)
[13:06] <andythehouseelf> hehehehe just kidding
[13:07] <Aislinn> so, have you folks sorted into the new groups?
[13:07] <Belenzie> what do you mean by hp in the modern era? i still think the 90's is modern
[13:07] <Sejo_Apex> Prophecy 2007 is gonna be great
[13:07] <Belenzie> and i'll ber only an hour away!!! yes Canada rulres!!!!
[13:07] <Sejo_Apex> And I'm actually going to be able to attend
[13:07] <DorisTLC> Prophect 2007 will rock! Modern era is today - the way we read and discuss things! Internet - SKYPE - all the cool ways fandom works today
[13:08] <Sejo_Apex> I live in TO, so I just take the TTC to wherever it is
[13:08] <Belenzie> it would be funny though if hp 7 wasn't out by then (knock on wood)
[13:08] <Belenzie> Niagara Falls
[13:08] <Jrg1990> *wont be able to go to prophecy as its on the wrong side of the pond* ah well me and andy already have plans for next year, involving a certain Richard Leaf, and a John NOe Joke lol
[13:08] <Jrg1990> Noe*
[13:09] <andythehouseelf> YAY!
[13:09] <andythehouseelf> thats gonna rock
[13:09] <SoonerGryffindor> okay, been on the phone...what did I miss?
[13:09] <Belenzie> has there been anything big in the UK yet for hp? i can't remember
[13:09] <Sejo_Apex> Prophecy
[13:09] <Aislinn> general chat, sooner
[13:09] <Sejo_Apex> Yeah, its called JKR lives in the UK
[13:09] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Aislinn
[13:09] <Sejo_Apex> eDINBURGH
[13:09] <Sejo_Apex> Edinburgh*
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[13:10] <Belenzie> i c i c
[13:10] <Aislinn> sooner, the transcript for the lupin chat is in the bulletin board section of the lounge
[13:10] <SoonerGryffindor> Did everyone get sorted this morning?
[13:10] <Belenzie> no???
[13:10] <andythehouseelf> Yeah but just because she lives here doesnt mean we get fun stuff
[13:10] <Jrg1990> yeah.
[13:10] <SoonerGryffindor> thanks, Aislinn
[13:10] <LJ> hey
[13:10] <andythehouseelf> hey laurie!
[13:10] <Sejo_Apex> Edinburgh, HPB release
[13:10] <Aislinn> Hey!
[13:10] <Jrg1990> hey Laurie.
[13:11] <andythehouseelf> But Sejo you had to be invited to that
[13:11] <Jrg1990> yeah.
[13:11] <Sejo_Apex> Not really, you just show up and stand at the gates with all the others who weren't invited
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[13:11] <Belenzie> i will never forgive myself if i don't get to go to Prophecy
[13:11] <andythehouseelf> oops that was weird
[13:11] <Sejo_Apex> And hey, you save a grand on registration fees etc.
[13:12] <Aislinn> I hope to be able to go - much closer to home than vegas
[13:12] <DorisTLC> Vegas will Rock! I can't wait!
[13:12] <Aislinn> yeah - sounds like it is going to be a blast
[13:12] <Belenzie> oh norhtern U.S or from the great white north aislinn?
[13:12] <SoonerGryffindor> I love Vegas...so jealous of you guys who will be going
[13:12] <Sejo_Apex> If I were a few years older I'd volunteer but I'm only going to be 17 when Aislinn Prophecy rolls on in
[13:12] <andythehouseelf> i cant wait for vegas
[13:12] <andythehouseelf> even though i cant go biggrin
[13:13] <Jrg1990> lol
[13:13] <Belenzie> lol
[13:13] <SoonerGryffindor> lol
[13:13] <DorisTLC> I have no money to gamble, but I'll love the fun! Then New York right after - that will be alot of fun
[13:13] <Aislinn> yes, bel
[13:13] <Aislinn> the northeast
[13:13] <Jrg1990> *cant go to NY or LV* ;(
[13:13] <Belenzie> oh well i'm right on top of you then
[13:13] <Belenzie> jk
[13:13] <Sejo_Apex> But this is the first really big thing Canada has gotten in what 7-8 years?
[13:13] <Aislinn> I'm in the capital region of NY
[13:13] <DorisTLC> Sorry James - I'll send you tons if pictures!
[13:13] <andythehouseelf> and video!
[13:13] <Belenzie> hey we had regis and kelly like 2 weeks ago!!
[13:14] <Sejo_Apex> When was the JKR reading at Skydome?
[13:14] <Belenzie> lol
[13:14] <Belenzie> 2000
[13:14] <Sejo_Apex> 2000 or 2001
[13:14] <Sejo_Apex> oh ok
[13:14] <SoonerGryffindor> Actually where I live is pretty much in-between NY and Vegas....but I would rather go to Vegas
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[13:14] <Sejo_Apex> so it'll be the first thing in about 7 years'
[13:15] <Aislinn> hi cloudpic!
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[13:15] <andythehouseelf> ooops!
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[13:16] <Belenzie> i swear everyone is gonna be making day trips to the falls during prophecy so i'll be like looking out my bedroom window and seeing all these robed people surging from the bus terminal....i can picture it now1
[13:16] <Belenzie> lol
[13:16] <Aislinn> lol
[13:16] <Sejo_Apex> is it going to be at Niagara?
[13:17] <Belenzie> no in T.O
[13:17] <Aislinn> Toronto, right?
[13:17] <Sejo_Apex> Yeah
[13:17] <Sejo_Apex> But where, the convention centre maybe
[13:17] <Belenzie> i screamed like a banshee when i read that yesterday
[13:17] <Sejo_Apex> or Exhibition Place
[13:18] <andythehouseelf> OK guys we're about to start the discussioN!
[13:18] <SoonerGryffindor> cool
[13:18] <Belenzie> k
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[13:18] <Sejo_Apex> whatever as long as I can get there by TTC I'll be fine
[13:18] <Jrg1990> back
[13:18] <Jrg1990> *stupid wireless*
[13:18] <LJ> Today's topic is Harry Potter in the Modern Era: From the moment Hagrid takes Harry through the brick wall and into Diagon Alley, we see that it's not just the use of magic that distinguishes the Wizard world from the Muggle world. Stepping into Wizarding Britain can feel like entering a time portal, transporting us back to a simpler era. Apparently the convenience of magic has kept the wizarding world from advancing technologically.
[13:19] <Sejo_Apex> Arthur Weasley
[13:19] <Belenzie> hey we still can't make cars fly!!
[13:19] <SoonerGryffindor> So the big question is, is this a good or a bad thing?
[13:20] <Belenzie> ??
[13:20] <Jrg1990> good. It means they arent so dependent on technology like we are.
[13:20] <Sejo_Apex> yeah but theyre dependant on magic
[13:20] <Jrg1990> yeah i guess.
[13:20] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, but you would think that with all the muggle borns and half-bloods, there would be more moderness
[13:21] <LJ> How does this sort of "timeless" quality colour the story?
[13:21] <Sejo_Apex> Its not only technology, but its also science they lack
[13:21] <SoonerGryffindor> It makes you realize how separate the 2 worlds really are
[13:21] <Jrg1990> hardly, they have perfected the ultimate science of Alchemy
[13:21] <Jrg1990> (to the science point)
[13:21] <Belenzie> but isn't their magic just like technology is to us?? it makes us just as lazy and dependent on others as they are with magic, like we have people in charge of making things to make our lives easier just like they have people to create new spells and potions to their lives easier
[13:22] <Aislinn> I think that JKR used this type of medieval setting to distinguish the wizarding world from the muggle one - making the separation more distinct
[13:22] <SoonerGryffindor> exacty my point Aislinn
[13:22] <Sejo_Apex> Go up to Harry and ask him to name the Alkali Metals group, he'll literally be like "WTF?"
[13:22] <Jrg1990> yeah. This way she could juxtapose them more easily.
[13:22] <SoonerGryffindor> Still, it makes you wonder why the muggle born kids don't bring more pop culture with them to school
[13:23] <Aislinn> it makes the tale more fantastical, while still being able to set it in a modern day world
[13:23] <SoonerGryffindor> I mean, I know that I would not be able to live without my ipod--even though I would still be in the fantastical world of Hogwarts
[13:23] <Belenzie> well they ar and thats what the wizards are afraid of....not the pollution of blood but the pollution of their culture and their traditions
[13:24] <Sejo_Apex> They don't bring pop culture into the stories because it would suck, "Omg Harry did you know that Sierra Miller does coke?" - Ron
[13:24] <SoonerGryffindor> Still, a society that does not progress becomes stagnant
[13:24] <Belenzie> sienna miller does coke???
[13:24] <SoonerGryffindor> lol
[13:24] <Sejo_Apex> used to
[13:24] <andythehouseelf> Guys please stick to the issue at hand!
[13:24] <Belenzie> gods i am SO out of the loop!
[13:24] <Jrg1990> Still, it makes you wonder why the muggle born kids don't bring more pop culture with them to school<------------------yeah sooner, that is weird. I mean if you were boguht up not knowing you were magic, then youd grow up like a normal kid with lots of tech, and then would suddeny be taken away from that........... it is weird
[13:24] <Belenzie> lol
[13:25] <SoonerGryffindor> exactly my point...it is almost unrealistic
[13:25] <Belenzie> well one thing is that tech stuff can't work in hogwarts
[13:25] <Belenzie> so they can't introduce pop music properly
[13:25] <Aislinn> I agree, sooner, that they seem in great danger of stagnating
[13:25] <andythehouseelf> But how does this relate to the timelessness of the story?
[13:25] <Aislinn> why do you think that is?
[13:26] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that they are stuck in the past to a certain extent
[13:26] <andythehouseelf> i agree "to an extent"
[13:26] <Belenzie> but changing that stagnate way can be even more disasterous than leaving the culture stagnate.....look at the spartans
[13:26] <andythehouseelf> in many ways they are ahead of us
[13:26] <Sejo_Apex> There is no pop culture or technology in the books becase a) it would take away from the timelessness of the story, b) it would make the story crappy ("Hey Harry, I bought that new 120 gig 19" laptop yesterday" -Robn)
[13:26] <SoonerGryffindor> Look at how hard of a time most of them had looking like muggles at the QWC
[13:27] <Aislinn> does the fact that they can do things with magic prevent them from exploring technology?
[13:27] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it does hinder them in some ways
[13:27] <Belenzie> just like all these science buffs can't believe in a higher power or "real magic"
[13:27] <Sejo_Apex> She took it out from a literary standpoint.
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[13:28] <SoonerGryffindor> I understand your point sejo, and I don't want that in the story either, but you have to admit it seems a little unrealistic
[13:28] <Sejo_Apex> I don't want to hear about Ron setting up his XM radio satellite, I want to know about his OWLS etc.
[13:28] <Aislinn> i don't know - if you could fly on a broom and make things change into other things, wouldn't you ipod decrease in importance?
[13:28] <SoonerGryffindor> lol...thinking about how Ron would even begin to set up xm radio
[13:29] <Sejo_Apex> Well there is that whole separation of the two worlds, the moment that was done it was irreversible
[13:29] <Jrg1990> lol.
[13:29] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, Aislinn, it would decrease in importance, but it would still be important to an extent
[13:29] <andythehouseelf> Exactly Aislinn. Its all about preferences. Would you rather fly, or have the internet?
[13:29] <SoonerGryffindor> wow, that is actually a hard choice for me
[13:29] <Belenzie> well it would ruin the effect if the series started with a little bit more tch stuff then we would find it all right but if aout of no where jo decided to mention all this stuff in book 7 then ew would all go what the !!
[13:29] <Moriah> Wow, Andy, hard question
[13:29] <Aislinn> and its not that they don't have music - they have their WWN
[13:30] <andythehouseelf> Yeah Moriah! LOL! Id be stumped!
[13:30] <Sejo_Apex> I wonder if they can make up spells like Coldplayiosa and random Coldplay songs start playing in their heads, and Coldplayiosoff turns it off
[13:30] <SoonerGryffindor> lol
[13:30] <Jrg1990> yeah andy that is a hard question. Flying is good, but so is the internet. Im sure id pick Flying if it came to it, but its a hard choice.
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[13:31] <Moriah> haha, like wizards making muggle filks, sejo?
[13:31] <SoonerGryffindor> But with the internet at least, you don't run the risk of falling to your death
[13:31] <Moriah> lol, Sooner
[13:31] <Aislinn> yeah, but look at how easily Harry is fixed up every time he falls
[13:31] <Jrg1990> true sooner.
[13:31] <SoonerGryffindor> good point Aislinn
[13:32] <Sejo_Apex> Do wizards have TV, do they have this and that... those are all questions we need answered, and the only way JKR will be able to do that is if she does another almanac type HP book
[13:32] <SoonerGryffindor> still, just the fact that he has to fixed up so often says something in and of itself
[13:32] <Aislinn> which brings up a good point - a lot of their toys and games seem riskier - is this because they can fix injuries more easily
[13:32] <Aislinn> fanged frisbees, exploding snap....
[13:32] <andythehouseelf> I dont think we need those answers Sejo.
[13:32] <Belenzie> yeah well harry hasn't gone SPLAT yet....so i'd to see poppy fix THST if it happened
[13:32] <Jrg1990> yeah i think it is because they can fiz them selves.
[13:32] <Moriah> I think that the only thing we know of, Sejo, is the wireless network that appears to be radio only
[13:32] <SoonerGryffindor> it really does seem like living the life of a wizard is pretty hazardous
[13:33] <Sejo_Apex> I would love to know if Ro eats Captain Crunch or Fruit Loops but not in the books
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[13:33] <Sejo_Apex> Ron*
[13:33] <andythehouseelf> Well were told what they have for breakfast
[13:33] <Jrg1990> lol sejo.
[13:33] <SoonerGryffindor> By the way, has there ever been any mention of modern type wizard stores?
[13:33] <andythehouseelf> pretty average stuff
[13:33] <Belenzie> try spending the day in downtown Toronto during rush hour now that's hazardous- Sejo don't answer that
[13:33] <Belenzie> lol
[13:33] <Aislinn> what do you mean sooner?
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[13:34] <SoonerGryffindor> like a wizard version of Wal-Mart?
[13:34] <SoonerGryffindor> lol, that's a pretty funny thought actually
[13:34] <Aislinn> oh, lol
[13:34] <Belenzie> no they seem to folow the guild system
[13:34] <Sejo_Apex> Wizard Wireless Netwrok, may go beyond radio though, if they have radio they may have TV's, but they just don't use them as much
[13:34] <Jrg1990> dont thinnk so sooner. There has just been like the book stores and Wizarding stores. Nothing like Cd Stores or supermarkets.
[13:34] <Moriah> I kinda think of Diagon Alley as a pedestrian mall type thing
[13:34] <Aislinn> seems like they stick to more traditional shops, or shoppes
[13:34] <Sejo_Apex> Wiz-Mart
[13:34] <Belenzie> lol
[13:34] <SoonerGryffindor> lol sejo
[13:34] <Jrg1990> Nah its Voldie-Mart lo
[13:35] <andythehouseelf> I honestly dont think they need TVs. If I had a wand I'd never be bored enough to watch TV.
[13:35] <Jrg1990> lol*
[13:35] <SoonerGryffindor> yah, but you would think that they might want to watch quidditch
[13:35] <Jrg1990> no i dont think i would either andy
[13:35] <Moriah> Good point, Sooner
[13:35] <SoonerGryffindor> or the news...
[13:35] <Sejo_Apex> Yeah, how does Ron watch the Chuddley Cannons from The Burrow?
[13:35] <andythehouseelf> But could a camera keep up with all the action? So much stuff happening
[13:35] <SoonerGryffindor> see what I mean?
[13:35] <Sejo_Apex> hE TURNS ON espn AND WATCHES
[13:36] <Sejo_Apex> sorry caps
[13:36] <SoonerGryffindor> WSPN
[13:36] <Belenzie> and they got pensieves- they have to have like mas produced pensieves that have important in them that people can see....like quidditch games, stuff
[13:36] <Moriah> I have the impression that pensieves are rather rare
[13:36] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Moriah
[13:36] <Belenzie> no not exactly pensieves but things that can store important events
[13:37] <Sejo_Apex> In GoF we had a non-canon thing where the Quidditch stadium has like this freaky jumbotron thing, was that magic or tech
[13:37] <SoonerGryffindor> well, the omnoculars kind of acted like vidoe device
[13:37] <SoonerGryffindor> I think they could do somethning along the lines of that and have a show
[13:38] <SoonerGryffindor> brb....phone again
[13:38] <Moriah> I definitely think it's possible but I also feel like we'd have heard about it if the Weasleys had it
[13:38] <Jrg1990> ive g2g guys sad
[13:38] <Moriah> Other wizards might though
[13:38] <Aislinn> maybe they do, and we just don't hear about it
[13:38] <Sejo_Apex> Do they have stuff like CNN or are they stuck with the daily prophet
[13:38] <Moriah> Bye Jrg1990
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[13:38] <andythehouseelf> bye james
[13:38] <LJ> bye James
[13:39] <Moriah> Yeah, it's possible, Aislinn, but I just feel like it would have come up in the time Harry has spent there
[13:39] <Moriah> But it might be considered more mundane and therefore not mentioned
[13:40] <Aislinn> true
[13:40] <andythehouseelf> well we know of the WWN so i bet we would know about it after 6 years
[13:40] <Moriah> That's kinda my thought, Andy
[13:40] <andythehouseelf> Yeah
[13:41] <Moriah> I wouldn't be surprised if there's something else that wizards have but maybe the Weasleys can't afford it
[13:41] <LJ> Does the lack of modern technology allow the author to be more creative in describing the magical settings?
[13:41] <Aislinn> that's a good point - they may not be able to afford it
[13:41] <Aislinn> good question, LJ
[13:41] <SoonerGryffindor> I think so LJ
[13:42] <Moriah> Yeah, I do too. Muggles kinda had to create the technology while wizards just continued developing magic
[13:42] <SoonerGryffindor> hehehe, I wonder how Ron will react to the TV at Harry's house
[13:42] <Sejo_Apex> We have a limited understanding of the HP world, not only are we stuck with Harry's life we are also stuck in the UK when there are so many other wizarding nations
[13:42] <Aislinn> he'll probably be fascinated by it
[13:43] <SoonerGryffindor> maybe when he sees it we will get some kind of inkling on whether or not something of its equivalent exists in the mgical world
[13:43] <Aislinn> that's true sejo
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[13:43] <andythehouseelf> Well Sejo we have seen other nations
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[13:44] <andythehouseelf> or nationalities even
[13:44] <SoonerGryffindor> Okay, so do you guys think that some of the timeless quality is that they are from the UK?
[13:44] <Sejo_Apex> But do we know if the wizards in the US or Australia have their own infamous wizard or if Voldy is a Hitler like figure
[13:44] <SoonerGryffindor> I wonder if wizards from other countries are stuck in the same way
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[13:45] <andythehouseelf> I would presume so Sooner
[13:45] <SoonerGryffindor> For example, the US is such a new culture...no castles or anything
[13:45] <Aislinn> we had the exposure to hogwarts by the triwizard groups
[13:46] <Sejo_Apex> But we don't know the scope of Voldy's terror, our limited knowledge of the HP world, provides us with little information on their level of technology
[13:46] <Aislinn> and they didn't mention it as being more old fashioned or anything
[13:46] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, but those were kids from other European schools
[13:46] <Aislinn> true
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[13:47] <Sejo_Apex> How about wizarding schools in Canada or China, how are they hidden? What kind of different technology do they have?
[13:47] <SoonerGryffindor> exactly what I was wondering
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[13:47] <Aislinn> I don't think that is something we will be finding out
[13:47] <Sejo_Apex> What if Tim-Berners Lee is a wizard lol?
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[13:48] <Aislinn> too much main plot for JKR to advance in just one more book
[13:48] <SoonerGryffindor> no, I don't think we will be findng that out, but it makes you wonder
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[13:48] <Moriah> Also makes you wonder if any native American wizarding culture had an affect on the incoming European culture
[13:49] <Moriah> Or if wizards treated them as badly too
[13:49] <Sejo_Apex> We know about 1% of the scope of the world she has created in just 6 books, in just 2000+ pages shes opened so many doors that so much has been hinted but little has been told
[13:49] <Moriah> Sorry, a bit off topic
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[13:49] <Fawkes3> Hi smile
[13:49] <SoonerGryffindor> hi fawkes
[13:49] <Sejo_Apex> Stuff like if 9/11 had wizarding ties (sorry if this is a tender topic for some)
[13:50] <andythehouseelf> But sejo I think we know enough to be going on with
[13:50] <Aislinn> If there's no "technology" in the wizarding world, wouldn't that also make them more "friendly" to the environment? No pollution, no need for fossil fuels, etc? I wonder, also, with their lack of "technology" if that makes them more in-tune to the environment around them.
[13:50] <Sejo_Apex> we know WWII had wizarding ties
[13:50] <Moriah> Interesting, Aislinn!
[13:50] <SoonerGryffindor> I've got a question from a different angle...how do people like Shacklebolt fit into modern society without raising suspicion?
[13:50] <Sejo_Apex> What is using wands creates pollution and theres a environmental ministry regulating wand use and the impact to the environment
[13:51] <Sejo_Apex> if*
[13:51] <LJ> there would definitely be less pollution from them
[13:51] <andythehouseelf> I think we would know Sejo
[13:51] <Moriah> I bet that is part of Auror training, Sooner
[13:51] <Fawkes3> I don't think using wands creates pollution.
[13:51] <Moriah> Maybe they have Muggleborns lead that part of training
[13:51] <SoonerGryffindor> I don't know about that
[13:51] <Moriah> And they have to do observation and such
[13:51] <Fawkes3> I've always thought of magic as more of a...manipulation of nature, if that makes sense. I wouldn't think there's a pollution byproduct from that
[13:51] <Sejo_Apex> But we know so little that anything said here is just speculation
[13:51] <Aislinn> we don't see evidence of "exhaust" or anything like that from wizarding objects
[13:52] <Aislinn> agreed fawkes
[13:52] <LJ> hmm, not sure - there's always the question of where magic comes from, where the particles or whatever go - physics, whcich I have no idea about
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[13:52] <futureweasley> hi everyone
[13:52] <futureweasley> :-)
[13:52] <SoonerGryffindor> hello
[13:52] <Fawkes3> Hi
[13:52] <Aislinn> hi future
[13:52] <futureweasley> what's going on? Hot and heated HP chat?
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[13:53] <Sejo_Apex> The bending of scientific laws could cause damage to the environment, we have no clue how much wizarding society has on muggle society and culture
[13:53] <SoonerGryffindor> Okay, so what wll be the fate of wizard kind if they cannot move into the 21st century?
[13:53] <Sejo_Apex> They will continie developing magic
[13:53] <Fawkes3> They don't need to move into the 21st century
[13:53] <andythehouseelf> Sejo: we can assume if something that important was happening, it would have been dealt with
[13:53] <Fawkes3> They've lived as they are for centures
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[13:53] <Sejo_Apex> New stronger spells to perfeom other functions
[13:53] <SoonerGryffindor> For example, woudln't it be a whole lot easier for aurors to fight LV with modern warfare?
[13:54] <Sejo_Apex> No
[13:54] <Aislinn> not if he can shield himself from it with magic
[13:54] <Moriah> I don't think they need to, but it would be smart for them to try to understand Muggles more. Understanding lessons hatred
[13:54] <SoonerGryffindor> but could he?
[13:54] <Aislinn> why not?
[13:54] <andythehouseelf> yeah he could probably stop bullets
[13:54] <Sejo_Apex> Voldy would pull a matrix if a bullet was flying at him
[13:54] <Fawkes3> LV, growing up in a Muggle orphanage, would know what guns are and could shield himself from them
[13:54] <andythehouseelf> he could vanish the weapons
[13:54] <Aislinn> can just disapparate, or throw up the shield he threw up when DD threw that spell at him
[13:54] <andythehouseelf> yeah
[13:55] <Sejo_Apex> Its funny how ignorant wizards are to muggle technology, the telephone incident anyone?
[13:55] <Fawkes3> Fighting LV using Muggle weapons would be a lot easier if LV were ignorant to the Muggle world
[13:55] <andythehouseelf> exaclty Fawkes
[13:55] <SoonerGryffindor> which is why I think that muggle borns may have an advantage
[13:55] <andythehouseelf> hes too intelligent to be fooled
[13:55] <Sejo_Apex> They can listen to radios and use magic but they have no clue about telephone and resort to owling
[13:55] <Fawkes3> I always wondered how many students took Muggle Studies. I think it would be incredibly useful
[13:56] <Aislinn> sooner, to get back to your earlier question about Shacklebolt, do you mean he would have trouble fitting in because of the wizards seeming inability to dress like muggles, among other things?
[13:56] <SoonerGryffindor> Yes, and use tech--like I'm sure he had to use a computer for his job
[13:56] <futureweasley> I laughed so hard at the fellytone thing
[13:56] <futureweasley> hmmm...I'm not posting...can you read me now?
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[13:56] <Aislinn> yes future
[13:56] <Aislinn> oops
[13:56] <Fawkes3> I love when Jo describes wizards dressed as Muggles. The kilt/poncho thing was terrific lol
[13:58] <Sejo_Apex> Some parts of the book are very inconsistent, their is a muggle studies course at Hogwarts but the ministry officials on muggles have no clue about technology
[13:58] <Moriah> Why wouldn't that be part of training? Especially for specialized Aurors who might have to go into the Muggle world?
[13:58] <SoonerGryffindor> and I'm sure he had to have a cell phone to be contacted by the muggle people and he had to know how to use all sorts of things I bet
[13:58] <Fawkes3> Maybe it's a relatively new addition to the school?
[13:58] <Fawkes3> Or maybe the students just aren't interested in Muggles? Probably find them boring
[13:58] <Sejo_Apex> How do they build houses and elevators without the use of even primitive technology
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[13:58] <Moriah> I also wonder if the professors who teach Muggle Studies know what they're talking about but I can't think of any canon that would make me wonder that
[13:58] <LJ> do we know if Shacklebolt is pure blood? He may have been chosen cos he grew up in the Muggle world, therefor knew how to use technology
[13:58] <Sejo_Apex> Or how they manipulated the public telephone to be used as the entry portal to the MoM
[13:58] <Moriah> Good point, LJ
[13:58] <andythehouseelf> Good point Laurie
[13:58] <SoonerGryffindor> Ron definitely should have taken Muggle studies...Harry too, it would have been easy for him
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[13:59] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, LJ, good point
[13:59] <Fawkes3> It would've been wasted on Harry, he already knows about Muggles
[13:59] <Sejo_Apex> Harry could probably teach muggle studies
[13:59] <futureweasley> ugh, I'm having chatting difficulties
[13:59] <futureweasley> ok, I think I'm back now...sorry about that
[13:59] <andythehouseelf> But do you think it would be helpful Sooner?
[13:59] <LJ> what's up future?
[13:59] <SoonerGryffindor> Well, for Ron certainly
[13:59] <Fawkes3> Ron definitely could use Muggle Studies lol
[13:59] <andythehouseelf> Yeah i see that
[13:59] <futureweasley> I couldn't post for a new minutes...I switched browsers, I'm good now
[13:59] <andythehouseelf> i meant for Harry sorry
[14:00] <SoonerGryffindor> nah, just that it would have been an easy O
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[14:00] <SoonerGryffindor> you know, like taking an easy class to increase your GPA?
[14:00] <futureweasley> I did mean to say that Fellytone was one of my favorite things in the series
[14:01] <Aislinn> that was really funny, future
[14:01] <Moriah> I love all of Arthur's little mistakes like that
[14:01] <SoonerGryffindor> ekeltricity is the best
[14:01] <LJ> We have to remember when these books were written too, the internet, even cell phones, weren't as widely used then - I'd be surprised if Jo herself had used the internet much at that time
[14:01] <Fawkes3> Arthur's enthusiasm is just so cute
[14:01] <futureweasley> his character is so endearing
[14:01] <Sejo_Apex> When Arthur stepped into the Dursley house he probably thought he was in heaven
[14:01] <SoonerGryffindor> good point LJ
[14:01] <Aislinn> that's a really good point Laurie
[14:01] <Fawkes3> "Escapators"
[14:01] <futureweasley> agreed Sejo...
[14:02] <futureweasley> when he saw that the "plugs" actually had a purpose...I thought for sure he was taking a lamp with him
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[14:02] <Sejo_Apex> How airplanes fly, Harry should buy him a book about it for Christmas
[14:02] <SoonerGryffindor> I still would like to see Harry pull an Indiana Jones on LV and just shoot him in the face
[14:02] <Fawkes3> Yes I always wondered why he didn't just go look up how airplanes fly
[14:02] <futureweasley> whoa...
[14:02] <Sofie> he everybody!
[14:02] <Fawkes3> Hi
[14:02] <Aislinn> hi sofie!
[14:02] <futureweasley> hey Sofie
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[14:03] <futureweasley> I think that Harry will hug LV to death
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[14:03] <Sofie> hug him? lolz
[14:03] <Aislinn> is there anything about magic that is superior to modern technology?
[14:03] <futureweasley> feel the love, Tom...feel the love
[14:03] <Sofie> too much love will kill him
[14:03] <Fawkes3> Just about everything
[14:04] <SoonerGryffindor> good question
[14:04] <Sofie> yes, almost everything
[14:04] <andythehouseelf> well brooms is one thing
[14:04] <Fawkes3> No matter how fast a car we make, it will never be as efficient as Apparition
[14:04] <JaneMarple9> well there's the floo network
[14:04] <Sejo_Apex> What if LV was nuked, what could he do to stop it?
[14:04] <SoonerGryffindor> good question sejo
[14:04] <Fawkes3> How would they get their hands on a nuke? :P
[14:04] <Sofie> not to mention Accio and spells like that
[14:04] <Moriah> Then there's the entire moral question of a nuke, though
[14:04] <andythehouseelf> yeah sofie
[14:04] <SoonerGryffindor> Accio Nuke! smile
[14:04] <Aislinn> accio would be a cool spell to be able to use
[14:04] <Fawkes3> lol
[14:04] <futureweasley> right, Accio
[14:04] <futureweasley> I love that idea...
[14:04] <andythehouseelf> polyjuice potion is better than any disguise
[14:05] <futureweasley> I admit that I try it sometimes...lol
[14:05] <futureweasley> accio remote control
[14:05] <SoonerGryffindor> hmmm, upon second thought, it's probably not a good idea to accio a nuke
[14:05] <Sofie> id love to use the Bat Bogey hex thingy
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[14:05] <futureweasley> hmm, still doesn't work
[14:05] <Fawkes3> I wouldn't mind seeing the Bat Bogey Hex in use
[14:05] <JaneMarple9> yes polyjuice potion is good...and the Mirror of Erised
[14:05] <Aislinn> depressing, isn't it, future?
[14:05] <Aislinn> smile
[14:05] <futureweasley> I know, I hate being a Muggle sometimes
[14:05] <futureweasley> lol
[14:05] <Sofie> and the invisibility cloak
[14:06] <LJ> they also have time travel - Muggles have been trying to master that for years
[14:06] <Aislinn> what about being able to fix something with a simple "reparo"
[14:06] <Fawkes3> I can see the Invisibility Cloak being grossly misused though :P
[14:06] <SoonerGryffindor> I wonder if LV can see though an invisiblity cloak?
[14:06] <Fawkes3> It's a Peeping Tom's dream
[14:06] <Sofie> i bet he can
[14:06] <Sofie> just like DD could
[14:06] <futureweasley> I would like alohamora...I can never find my keys
[14:06] <SoonerGryffindor> and mad eye
[14:06] <SoonerGryffindor> just use accio for the keys future
[14:06] <Sofie> can you Accio humans?
[14:06] <Aislinn> lol
[14:07] <futureweasley> lol
[14:07] <Aislinn> didn't somebody accio flitwick in class?
[14:07] <SoonerGryffindor> yuck, accio Voldemort
[14:07] <Sofie> how cool aould that be? Accio Jo!
[14:07] <Moriah> hahaha, who do you want to Accio, Sofie?
[14:07] <Fawkes3> I think Flitwick was Banished
[14:07] <Moriah> hehe
[14:07] <Fawkes3> But it stands to reason that if he was Banished, he could also be Summoned
[14:07] <JaneMarple9> or Accio book 7
[14:07] <futureweasley> I am afraid that if I could Accio Jo, it would turn into Misery
[14:07] <SoonerGryffindor> lol
[14:08] <futureweasley> hey, there's something I talk about in NYC
[14:08] <SoonerGryffindor> funny considering whe will be in the same room with Stephen King soon
[14:08] <Sofie> yes
[14:08] <SoonerGryffindor> oh, we are soooo far off topic now
[14:08] <futureweasley> yes, we are...
[14:08] <Aislinn> yes, lets get back to technology and magic
[14:09] <Fawkes3> Well, wizards just don't *need* technology
[14:09] <Fawkes3> We advance technologically to fill a need
[14:09] <Fawkes3> They get everything they need through magic
[14:09] <SoonerGryffindor> Question: in what ways (if any) is technology better?
[14:09] <futureweasley> right...they have houseelves
[14:09] <Sofie> yes coz magis much more effective
[14:09] <Moriah> Have we already discussed what the wizarding world might have that is better than the Internet?
[14:10] <futureweasley> the wizarding world might be a scarier place to be if they had the internet
[14:10] <SoonerGryffindor> I would think that the internet might be more effective than spending hours in the library
[14:10] <Sofie> wizard chat?
[14:10] <Fawkes3> I bet Madam Pince knows her library books well enough to be almost like a human Google :P
[14:10] <Sofie> lolz smile
[14:10] <SoonerGryffindor> Hermione just needs to google horcruxes when she gets home
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[14:10] <Aislinn> it seems like they should be able to invent a spell to accio the book with the info they need
[14:10] <Aislinn> and have it open to the right section
[14:10] <SoonerGryffindor> not if you don't know what that book is in the first place
[14:10] <Moriah> That would be cool, Aislinn!
[14:11] <Fawkes3> Like a kind of magical card catelog?
[14:11] <futureweasley> there would be forums discussing new possibilities to unforgivable curses
[14:11] <Sofie> or invent a spell that allows you to search through books for informatin
[14:11] <Fawkes3> catalog*
[14:11] <Aislinn> like 'accio me information about opaleye dragons" and the book comes to you
[14:11] <Aislinn> exactly sofie
[14:11] <Sofie> or accio horcree-info
[14:11] <SoonerGryffindor> I'm not convinced that woud work
[14:11] <futureweasley> how far does accio work?
[14:11] <Fawkes3> That's assuming a spell can read
[14:12] <Aislinn> well, accio is just an example - hermione would have to invent a new spell
[14:12] <Sofie> i bet Snape could invent such a spell
[14:12] <Moriah> Well, the spell would have to be invented. There's almost definitely not one now
[14:12] <futureweasley> I remember Harry was worried that he wouldn't be able to get his firebolt to the pitch during the first task
[14:12] <Sofie> yes but that because he was 14
[14:12] <SoonerGryffindor> I bet Snape may already have invented such a spell Sofie
[14:12] <Sofie> ande learned the spell last night
[14:12] <futureweasley> not just that...it was far enough away from his that he didn't know if he could get it there
[14:12] <LJ> he didn't think he'd have the concentration
[14:13] <futureweasley> ok, I must have misunderstood that
[14:13] <Sofie> i bet Snape has a spell for everything in his book .P
[14:13] <andythehouseelf> in some ways the magic, no matter how advanced, can be a negative force. For example Voldy using Alohomora to get into the Potters house when a muggle key only works for the right door. To what extent do you think the advanced ability of magic is also a problem in itself?
[14:13] <Fawkes3> Well, Ron suggests Summoning an aqua-lung from the nearest Muggle town...I guess you can Accio things from far away
[14:13] <Fawkes3> If you have the concentration
[14:13] <SoonerGryffindor> okay, so is there any kind of technology that might be superior to magic?
[14:13] <Aislinn> interesting question andy
[14:14] <Fawkes3> Well it's like anything else, andy. The most innocent invention could probably be used for evil if you thought about it
[14:14] <Sofie> and i also think that it depends on the wizard's magical power. for exaple DD could have acciod a book form the other side of the continend
[14:14] <Moriah> Great point, Andy
[14:14] <Aislinn> that's true
[14:14] <LJ> true Fawkes
[14:14] <SoonerGryffindor> It would be nice to have a GPS locator to put on LV for instance
[14:15] <Sofie> *continent
[14:15] <futureweasley> and the Weasley's Darkness Power...and Malfoy's Hand of Glory
[14:15] <LJ> some of the spells' purpose is to harm other i.e. the Unforgiveables, but other spells that are meant to help can be of harm too
[14:15] <futureweasley> I'm sure Fred and George never imagined it would be used for something as evil as that...
[14:16] <futureweasley> excellent point, Fawkes
[14:16] <SoonerGryffindor> I wonder exactly what F&G were thinking of using it for in the first place?
[14:16] <Sofie> yes but that the prize they had to pay
[14:16] <Moriah> Well, with power comes responsibility.
[14:16] <Fawkes3> Wasn't the darkness powder in the new DADA section of their store?
[14:16] <Aislinn> defensive magic
[14:16] <Sofie> i think they thought ppl would use if just for fun
[14:16] <futureweasley> yes, Defensive Magic...
[14:16] <Moriah> Well, and that the "good" side could use it to get away in a pinch
[14:16] <Aislinn> it was in the DADA section fawes
[14:17] <Aislinn> fawkes
[14:17] <futureweasley> I don't know where technology is better than magic at any level
[14:17] <Fawkes3> That's what I thought, so I guess they didn't consider that the bad guys could use it for the same reason as the good guys
[14:17] <futureweasley> nothing comes to mind
[14:17] <futureweasley> maybe television vs. the daily prophet
[14:17] <Fawkes3> The only thing I can think of is the instant access to information we have with the internet
[14:17] <Sofie> do you think that magic could heal serious muggle ilnesses
[14:18] <SoonerGryffindor> that's exactly what I was thinking Fawkes
[14:18] <Aislinn> I think so sofie
[14:18] <andythehouseelf> I think so Sofie
[14:18] <Fawkes3> Well, magic could get rid of the need for stitches
[14:18] <Fawkes3> As we learn in OotP
[14:18] <Aislinn> they seem to be able to heal a lot of stuff much more easily than muggle medicine can
[14:18] <SoonerGryffindor> It must, because wizards live longer
[14:18] <SoonerGryffindor> generally speaking
[14:18] <Sofie> the muggle borns too?
[14:19] <Fawkes3> They have Blood Replenishing Potions, which would eliminate the need for transfusions
[14:19] <Fawkes3> And the associated risks that come with them
[14:19] <Moriah> I think so, Sofie
[14:19] <Aislinn> they have cured muggles in St Mungos
[14:19] <futureweasley> Why can't magical medicine cure all ails? Like werewolf bites?
[14:19] <SoonerGryffindor> but yet, wizards stll come down with the flu
[14:19] <Fawkes3> They've cured the cold with Pepperup Potion
[14:19] <Aislinn> they seem to have as much problem with mental illness too, if you consider the ward the Longbottoms are on
[14:19] <Sofie> because magic has its limits, too, futurew.
[14:20] <Moriah> A werewolf bit is a cursed bit and some curses aren't curable
[14:20] <Moriah> bite*
[14:20] <futureweasley> What I wouldn't give for some pepperup potion
[14:21] <Fawkes3> Whoever marketed that would be the richest person on Earth
[14:21] <futureweasley> agreed
[14:21] <Aislinn> what about the clothes difference - do you think there is an advantage/disadvantage to wearing robes?
[14:21] <SoonerGryffindor> I still wonder why most of the wizarding world is still stuck in the past a
[14:21] <Sofie> i think its more like a tradition
[14:22] <futureweasley> robes would be hard to wear...they would get in my way too much
[14:22] <Moriah> All they needed to develop was magic
[14:22] <SoonerGryffindor> Do you think that wizards in hot climates wear robes all the time
[14:22] <Moriah> While Muggles had to develop the technology in order to make life easier
[14:22] <Aislinn> maybe lighter weight ones, sooner
[14:22] <Fawkes3> Right Moriah, a wizard's life really couldn't get much easier
[14:22] <futureweasley> as time evolves, so do spells and magic...there is always something new out there to keep up
[14:22] <Sofie> i think they do, soonerG
[14:22] <andythehouseelf> well robes seem to be more pratical. warmer and easier to move around in. they seem "multi-purpose" too. they are worn for herbology, potions and everything else
[14:23] <SoonerGryffindor> I'm thinking that it would be much harder to get away with in Tahiti or somehthing
[14:23] <Aislinn> I'd love to be able to stir up a meal with magic the way Molly does
[14:23] <futureweasley> I think of that often
[14:23] <Moriah> Maybe in Tahiti they were very basic hot weather clothing
[14:23] <Sofie> id lov eto be acle to clean my room like Tonks does in ootp
[14:23] <Fawkes3> What was the name of the book Molly had? Two Minute Feasts or something? That would be great
[14:23] <Aislinn> yes sofie!
[14:23] <futureweasley> Maybe in Tahiti they are nude, but cast a spell to make it look to others as though they are wearing robes
[14:24] <Sofie> :P
[14:24] <SoonerGryffindor> :)
[14:24] <Moriah> lol
[14:24] <Aislinn> muggles in hot climates actually wear what one could consider robe like clothes, if you look at the Middle East
[14:24] <Moriah> Ah, good point, Aislinn
[14:24] <Fawkes3> Yeah, they actually look like they're wearing more clothes than we do
[14:25] <SoonerGryffindor> I was thinking more along the lines of carribean countries
[14:25] <Sofie> yes but party because of their religion
[14:25] <Aislinn> hot is hot, sooner
[14:25] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, but its not a cultural thing there
[14:25] <futureweasley> yeah, but arrid and humid are quite different
[14:25] <Aislinn> that is VERY true
[14:26] <Fawkes3> In GoF, at the Quidditch World Cup, Harry sees African wizards wearing white robes
[14:26] <Fawkes3> He didn't react to them as though they were wearing anything strange
[14:26] <futureweasley> reflects the sun vs. absorbs it
[14:26] <SoonerGryffindor> Does the fact that they set themselves so far apart mean that they are prejudiced against muggle culture?
[14:26] <Sofie> yes, but if im correct everybody was wearing robbes, not just the western wizards
[14:26] <Fawkes3> Actually they were supposed to be wearing Muggle clothes
[14:27] <Aislinn> it does seem to be reflective of that, sooner
[14:27] <futureweasley> I think that all wizards wear robes...
[14:27] <Sofie> i think they jusk know that thy are different
[14:27] <SoonerGryffindor> but they choose to be different
[14:27] <futureweasley> it's their culture, I think
[14:27] <Sofie> but they were born that way
[14:27] <Fawkes3> Maybe they just wear light cotton robes.
[14:28] <Sofie> its not like they chose to be wizards
[14:28] <SoonerGryffindor> not the muggle borns
[14:28] <futureweasley> it's like Americans and blue jeans...they are practically part of our venacular
[14:28] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, but we as muggles normally dress appropriately for whatever we are going to be doing
[14:29] <SoonerGryffindor> business vs. casual dress depending on the situation
[14:29] <Sofie> i think they had been wering robbes for centuries
[14:29] <futureweasley> right
[14:29] <Aislinn> I noticed that the twins show up at the train station in semi-Muggle clothes
[14:29] <Moriah> I think there are different levels of casualness with robes too
[14:29] <Aislinn> and they do have dress robes
[14:29] <futureweasley> Mr. and Mrs. Weasley are rarely in robes while at home
[14:29] <Sofie> yes there are dress-robbes, too
[14:29] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, but it seems like not so big of a difference...its still robes
[14:29] <LJ> Does the unique feel of the wizarding world help accentuate the feeling of seperation between Harry's old life and his new one?
[14:30] <SoonerGryffindor> definitely
[14:30] <futureweasley> absolutely
[14:30] <Moriah> It doesn't seem like a big difference because it's not part of your culture. Kinda of like people not hearing the difference in certain music they aren't familiar with
[14:30] <Fawkes3> It must
[14:30] <futureweasley> firstly, Harry has clothes that fit him, literally and figuratively, in the wizarding world
[14:31] <SoonerGryffindor> good point Moriah
[14:31] <Sofie> i think Harry is glad that he now belongs to the wizarding world
[14:31] <Aislinn> its such a big contrast, the way it was described right from the moment he stepped into Diagon alley
[14:31] <Fawkes3> Yeah, Harry doesn't seem to miss the TV or the computer or the stereo
[14:31] <futureweasley> Harry feels he belongs in the wizarding world...that's a feeling he never got on Privet Drive
[14:31] <SoonerGryffindor> just the difference between the rest of the train station and platform 9&3/4 is amazing
[14:31] <Aislinn> well, he was never allowed to use them, fawkes smile
[14:31] <Aislinn> he definitely feels more like he belongs
[14:32] <Fawkes3> I'm sure he got to use them from time to time, like sitting in the room when the others were watching TV :P
[14:32] <Sofie> yes because he is loved
[14:32] <SoonerGryffindor> but what if Harry had come from a loving home? Would he have felt the same?
[14:32] <futureweasley> he has love in the Wizarding World...something else he never felt on Privet
[14:32] <Aislinn> hermione seems to come from a loving home, yet is quite at home in the wizarding world
[14:32] <Sofie> well, he would have known that he is a wizard before getting his letter
[14:32] <Fawkes3> She never misses those Muggle things, either. Not that we see, anyway
[14:32] <futureweasley> He might not have chosen to blindly go with Hagrid if he came from a loving family
[14:33] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, but for all we know, she still might miss some things from the muggle world
[14:33] <SoonerGryffindor> I meant if he were raised in a loving muggle home
[14:33] <Moriah> Yeah, I don't think the difference would be as big but he still is understood more in the wizarding world than he ever would be in the muggle world
[14:34] <Sofie> Hermione spends just like a few weeks with her family and she doesnt seem to miss them that much
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[14:34] <SoonerGryffindor> well, he's understood more.... I still don;t think the wizard world quite knows what to think of him
[14:35] <Moriah> True, but at least they would understand why he ended up on the roof of the school
[14:35] <SoonerGryffindor> lol
[14:35] <futureweasley> good point, Sooner...Harry is misunderstood by the masses
[14:35] <Moriah> smile
[14:35] <futureweasley> Muggle and Wizard alike
[14:35] <Sofie> true
[14:35] <Aislinn> true
[14:36] <SoonerGryffindor> just reading about Harry trying to explain what a Playstation was to Sirius was so funny
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[14:36] <futureweasley> it's weird that Harry seems to wear his heart on his sleeve, and seem so guarded all at the same time
[14:36] <Fawkes3> Was the Playstation out then? Or was that a mistake of Jo's?
[14:36] <Moriah> hehe
[14:36] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it was out
[14:36] <Fawkes3> In 1994?
[14:36] <futureweasley> original playstation was out then
[14:37] <andythehouseelf> no it was a mistake. it was on the lexicon
[14:37] <SoonerGryffindor> well, it was in the book, so its canon whether or not its accurate
[14:37] <Moriah> hehe
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[14:37] <Sofie> :P
[14:37] <futureweasley> and, canon is what matters. period.
[14:37] <futureweasley> lol
[14:37] <Sofie> Jo is always right
[14:37] <Aislinn> one of the magical "technologies" that seems superior to me is the camera
[14:37] <Fawkes3> Except when she's wrong :P
[14:37] <futureweasley> I love magical pictures
[14:38] <Fawkes3> Oh yes, I'd love moving pictures
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[14:38] <SoonerGryffindor> which just goes to prove that Jo could put in the internet or cell phones if she wanted to
[14:38] <Aislinn> the fact that theirs can take pictures that move seems cooler than ours
[14:38] <LJ> even though she has put some dates in the books - she has said that she tries not to date them at all
[14:38] <Moriah> I think the development of the film is the big thing, Aislinn
[14:38] <Aislinn> cell phones were also not nearly as common back then as they are now
[14:38] <LJ> I agree Moriah
[14:38] <Fawkes3> It's not a special camera, it's a potion they develop the film in
[14:38] <Sofie> id lov eto have a moving HP poster :P
[14:38] <Aislinn> they are so common now, and the internet, that its hard to remember how recent they really are
[14:39] <LJ> Colin sayd that someone told him they would move if he developed them in the right solotion
[14:39] <Aislinn> right
[14:39] <futureweasley> right, I remember that now
[14:39] <futureweasley> we'll see that in CoS!!
[14:39] <danae24> LJ is right, otherwise he would have been making a tiny movie....
[14:39] <LJ> yes we will smile
[14:40] <Moriah> Woot reading groups! Ok, must run. Later smile
[14:40] <SoonerGryffindor> bye Moriah
[14:40] <Aislinn> bye moriah
[14:40] <Fawkes3> Bye
[14:40] <futureweasley> see you Moriah
[14:40] <Sofie> bye
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[14:41] <LJ> bye Moriah
[14:41] <SoonerGryffindor> I just thought of a muggle invention they had...they had alarm clocks
[14:41] <Aislinn> they did?
[14:41] <Aislinn> I don't remember that
[14:41] <SoonerGryffindor> yes
[14:41] <futureweasley> clocks in general
[14:41] <Sofie> really?
[14:41] <Fawkes3> I have to go too, it was fun smile Bye everyone
[14:41] <futureweasley> running water
[14:41] <futureweasley> lol
[14:42] <danae24> Harry had one, but I dont remember an alarm clock in Hogwarts or the Burrow......
[14:42] <Aislinn> bye fawkes
[14:42] <SoonerGryffindor> in book 6, when Ron tells Harry he would rather he use an alarm clock next time to wake him up
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[14:42] <Sofie> bye!
[14:42] <futureweasley> by fawkes
[14:42] <danae24> bye Fawkes!!
[14:42] <Aislinn> oh, right!
[14:42] <danae24> that's true!!!
[14:42] <Sofie> right!
[14:42] <LJ> oh yes
[14:42] <futureweasley> they use Ministry approved Cars
[14:42] <SoonerGryffindor> how did that work if there is no ekeltricity at Hogwarts
[14:42] <Sofie> i wish i wouldnt suck at trivia
[14:42] <danae24> but maybe Ron knows them from all the stuff his dad has, but I dont really think they use them in the magic world....
[14:43] <Sofie> with batteries?
[14:43] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, but they obviously had them in the dorm
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[14:43] <SoonerGryffindor> I wonder if batteries work at Hogwarts?
[14:43] <futureweasley> don't you think they'd have to have them? Except Muggle technology is supposed to be "screwy" when at hogwarts
[14:43] <Sofie> why wouldnt they?
[14:43] <LJ> Do you think there are any non-magical equivalents for wands? Palm pilot, cell phone? Discuss.
[14:44] <futureweasley> right...there would definitely be NO digital alarm clocks
[14:44] <Aislinn> hermione said that none of that stuff works around the magic at hogwarts
[14:44] <Aislinn> I can't think of an equivalent for wands
[14:44] <SoonerGryffindor> me neither
[14:44] <futureweasley> remote controls
[14:44] <SoonerGryffindor> good one
[14:44] <Sofie> i wonder what kind of equipment do the Muggle studies teacher use te demonstrate things like electricity
[14:44] <Aislinn> the patronus communication that the Order used seemed like a kind of messaging system
[14:44] <danae24> Maybe not exact equivalents.... we have a lot of stuff....... Like a vacumm instead of the scourgify spell
[14:45] <andythehouseelf> well the internet can be quite powerful
[14:45] <futureweasley> I have a remote for everything...even my air conditioner
[14:45] <futureweasley> the internet is another good one, andy
[14:45] <SoonerGryffindor> what about really high tech computers that run everything in your house?
[14:45] <futureweasley> that would be nice
[14:45] <Aislinn> yeah, like adjust the temperature and turn on the coffee pot
[14:45] <Sofie> googl? you can fing everything on it
[14:46] <SoonerGryffindor> almost as good as a want=d
[14:46] <futureweasley> the clapper is kind of like a wand
[14:46] <SoonerGryffindor> *wand
[14:46] <Sofie> *google
[14:46] <SoonerGryffindor> heheh...the clapper
[14:46] <futureweasley> I love the clapper...and I want one before I die
[14:46] <danae24> I agree with futureweasley, remote controls are the thing that most resembles a wand
[14:46] <SoonerGryffindor> motion activated lights
[14:47] <Sofie> yes, that too
[14:47] <futureweasley> oooh, good one
[14:47] <futureweasley> invisible fence for doggies
[14:47] <SoonerGryffindor> lol
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[14:47] <futureweasley> petrificus totalus!!
[14:48] <SoonerGryffindor> I stll think the remote control is the best analogy
[14:48] <futureweasley> can you imagine crookshanks with one of those? yikes
[14:48] <Aislinn> folks, just a heads up that we have about 15 minutes left, so let's discuss final thoughts on technology vs. magic
[14:48] <Sofie> :P
[14:48] <Sofie> magic is 100+times better than technology
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[14:48] <futureweasley> as much as I love the idea of magic...I think we have things pretty good in the Muggle world
[14:49] <SoonerGryffindor> I still think wizards should consider using more muggle tech
[14:49] <futureweasley> muggle technology could be the key to defeating LV!!
[14:49] <Sofie> or muggles should use more magic :P
[14:49] <SoonerGryffindor> I bet IM still works faster than owls, floo, or patronus
[14:50] <futureweasley> good point
[14:50] <andythehouseelf> well u can talk to people throught the fire
[14:50] <futureweasley> provided the end user is online
[14:50] <Sofie> can you shot LV 6 times and kill him?
[14:50] <SoonerGryffindor> if you destroy the horcruxes first
[14:50] <futureweasley> that's it...1 bullet per horcrux
[14:50] <Aislinn> would improving relations and decreasing wizard bigotry toward muggles increase their likelihood of exploring muggle technology?
[14:50] <SoonerGryffindor> I would hope so
[14:51] <SoonerGryffindor> but I don't think it will ever happen
[14:51] <futureweasley> I think that is likely, Aislinn
[14:51] <Aislinn> I think that might contribute to their dismissing its importance currently
[14:51] <futureweasley> isn't like racism...sometimes the seed is so deeply planted that all efforts to reform go unnoticed
[14:51] <futureweasley> *it's
[14:51] <SoonerGryffindor> personally, I think someone needs to hand LV a live grenade as ask him to hold it for them for a minute...
[14:51] <Sofie> true
[14:52] <futureweasley> that would be fun! ONE DOWN!
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[14:53] <Aislinn> no use until the horcruxes are destroyed
[14:53] <andythehouseelf> exactly Aislinn
[14:53] <SoonerGryffindor> still it would be fun to see
[14:53] <futureweasley> thanks for chatting guys
[14:53] <futureweasley> I've really enjoyed it
[14:53] <SoonerGryffindor> me too
[14:53] <Aislinn> thanks for joining us future!
[14:53] <andythehouseelf> were not done yet LOL
[14:53] <futureweasley> 7 minutes...but I've had to pee since 1:30
[14:53] <SoonerGryffindor> okay, ask us one more question then
[14:54] <futureweasley> gotta go
[14:54] <futureweasley> see you on the patio!
[14:54] <andythehouseelf> bye
[14:54] <SoonerGryffindor> you too
[14:54] <Aislinn> see you in there!
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[14:54] <andythehouseelf> 5 mins left guys. Final thoughts? Revelations?
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[14:54] <Rictu_sempra> but I just joined...
[14:55] <Aislinn> hi folks
[14:55] <andythehouseelf> sorry guys1
[14:55] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, I think that wizards could beneft from muggle tech to a certain extent
[14:55] <Aislinn> unfortunately we're wrapping up
[14:55] <Aislinn> agreed
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[14:55] <Rictu_sempra> I think I'll go though
[14:55] <SoonerGryffindor> but I realy don't see it happening
[14:55] <andythehouseelf> Yeah i think so
[14:55] <Rictu_sempra> see you arounf the lounge
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[14:56] <Aislinn> so sooner, what room are you in for the reading groups?
[14:56] <SoonerGryffindor> Room 2
[14:56] <SoonerGryffindor> love the view smile
[14:56] <Aislinn> should be fun
[14:56] <SoonerGryffindor> I can't wait to get started in there
[14:56] <Sejo_Apex> Prophecy 2007: Toronto woot!
[14:57] <Aislinn> we'll be back discussing with the reading group leaders again next weekend, and in the meantime, there will be plenty to discuss in your room
[14:57] <SoonerGryffindor> I'm jealous
[14:57] <andythehouseelf> so thanks guys! hope to see you on wednesday and saturday!
[14:57] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, looks like we covered about everything there is to cover here....bye all
[14:57] <LJ> great chat guys
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[14:57] <Sejo_Apex> I'm outta here...
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