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[18:00] <futureweasley> hi HarryFreak! HeidiBug!!
[18:00] <Poet> There is no place like the Corner Booth for the holidays...
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[18:00] <harryfreak359> lol, yes, so true
[18:00] * futureweasley rummages around the old box for the mistletoe
[18:00] <harryfreak359> I need a bit of calming, Hary Potter sanity right now
[18:00] <HeidiBug> hello
[18:00] <futureweasley> me too, HarryFreak...my finals are tomorrow and Friday
[18:00] <futureweasley> Yikes!!
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[18:00] <SoonerGryffindor> hey everyone
[18:01] <futureweasley> hi Debbie!
[18:01] * Poet puts up some stockings and then kindles the fire
[18:01] <harryfreak359> Woot Future!
[18:01] <harryfreak359> hi Debbie!
[18:01] <Aislinn> Hi Debbie smile
[18:01] <harryfreak359> Hi Sooner
[18:01] <Poet> Hi DumbleDebbie
[18:01] <DumbleDebbie> hiya smile
[18:01] <Aislinn> wow, future, they really put them off til the last minute, don't they?
[18:01] <harryfreak359> Good luck on them, Future
[18:01] * Poet passes out hot cocoa and peppermint sticks
[18:01] * HeidiBug makes sure her mistletoe isn't infested with Nargles
[18:01] <DumbleDebbie> yay, stockings hung with care?
[18:01] <futureweasley> thank you...I think I will need it!
[18:01] <futureweasley> lol Heidi
[18:01] <SoonerGryffindor> lol. I guess I need to go shopping soon
[18:01] <DumbleDebbie> you'll do great future!
[18:01] <harryfreak359> I am relieved that I was done with mine last wednesday
[18:01] <futureweasley> me too Sooner
[18:02] <Poet> 5 days left... you think? smile
[18:02] <DumbleDebbie> LOL Sooner, I took Friday off from work to try to do just that
[18:02] <SoonerGryffindor> umm, I am busy Friday, so I guess it is going to have to be tomorrow
[18:02] <futureweasley> Sooner, I would like a pony, please
[18:02] <DumbleDebbie> crunch time!
[18:02] <SoonerGryffindor> hehehehe
[18:02] <DumbleDebbie> LOL
[18:02] <Poet> Poet knows what she wants from MJ for Christmas - HP5 on audio smile
[18:02] <Poet> biggrin
[18:02] <DumbleDebbie> my little pony Future?
[18:03] <SoonerGryffindor> I actually am going to get a good Christmas present on Christmas
[18:03] <DumbleDebbie> yeah you ARE!!!
[18:03] <futureweasley> no, a real Pony...a young Clydesdale, perhaps?
[18:03] <SoonerGryffindor> lol
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[18:03] <Poet> My parents gave me a filling from the dentist for Christmas - very generous
[18:03] <DumbleDebbie> LOL, that might be hard to fit in the house future
[18:03] <harryfreak359> yes, it worked for me that time!
[18:03] <futureweasley> aww, boo, Poet
[18:03] <SoonerGryffindor> ummm, there are some horses by my house, we can drive by there
[18:03] <harryfreak359> awww, Poet
[18:03] <DumbleDebbie> awww, cute
[18:04] <SoonerGryffindor> that stinks Poet
[18:04] <DumbleDebbie> LOL Poet
[18:04] <harryfreak359> I got my computer for Christmas
[18:04] <HeidiBug> I'm alergic to horses, so those wouldn't work for me
[18:04] <harryfreak359> and a book....so that's probably about the extent of what I am getting smile
[18:04] <DumbleDebbie> wow HF
[18:04] <harryfreak359> I love my computer
[18:04] * Poet passes around a tin of cookies
[18:04] <DumbleDebbie> that's awsome HF
[18:05] * futureweasley snuggles with her computer and whispers sweet nothings in its ear
[18:05] <harryfreak359> Well, I had no choice, my old one crashed a few months ago
[18:05] <DumbleDebbie> LOL FW
[18:05] <Poet> funny futureweasley
[18:05] <harryfreak359> and I needed it for homework
[18:05] <harryfreak359> lol
[18:05] <HeidiBug> yes, homework's important
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[18:06] <harryfreak359> I always have my computer with me everywhere
[18:06] <HeidiBug> hi, krod
[18:06] <futureweasley> I need mine for everything...and 24 hours without it this week was simply unacceptable
[18:06] <Poet> Hi krod
[18:06] <futureweasley> hi krod
[18:06] <krod> hello sry im late
[18:06] * Poet points krod over to the snack table
[18:06] <DumbleDebbie> hi krod
[18:06] <Aislinn> hi krod
[18:06] <harryfreak359> My old computer has been across the country quite a few times
[18:06] <futureweasley> not late....right on time!
[18:06] <futureweasley> welcome!
[18:06] <krod> thnx for showin me where the snack r
[18:06] <harryfreak359> hi Krod
[18:06] * Poet starts to warm up the hot cider
[18:06] <krod> hi
[18:06] <futureweasley> if there's one thing the CB has, it's snacks
[18:06] <DumbleDebbie> ooo, yum Poet
[18:07] <harryfreak359> yum!
[18:07] <krod> lol
[18:07] <DumbleDebbie> and crazy people ;)
[18:07] <HeidiBug> I'd like some cider, poet!
[18:07] <Aislinn> ooh, I love hot cider, Poet
[18:07] * Poet get out the cups
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[18:07] <futureweasley> hi Bel, Prongs!
[18:07] <DumbleDebbie> hi belenzie & PP
[18:07] <Poet> Hi Belenzie , Hi ProngsPatronus
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[18:07] <ProngsPatronus> hello, all!
[18:07] <Belenzie> hey all
[18:07] <DumbleDebbie> Mr M!!!
[18:07] <futureweasley> YAY!
[18:07] <Poet> Hi MrMcGonagall
[18:07] <Aislinn> Hi Prongs, Bel, Mr M smile
[18:07] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, everybody!
[18:07] <krod> hi evryone
[18:07] <futureweasley> MrMcG...
[18:07] <SoonerGryffindor> hey everyone
[18:07] <futureweasley> hi!
[18:08] * Poet hands out drinks at the snack table
[18:08] * futureweasley fangirls the CB chatters
[18:08] <harryfreak359> Hi Mr.McG, Prongs, and Belenzie!
[18:08] * SoonerGryffindor eats some snacks
[18:08] <ProngsPatronus> cursed scars, eh?
[18:08] <krod> yup
[18:08] <ProngsPatronus> is there more than one?
[18:08] <futureweasley> this is a great group so far! I'm really excited about this topic
[18:08] <MrMcGonagall> I brought a big cauldron of freyja's special hot chocolate. It's my new favorite drink.
[18:08] <krod> more than one cursed scar?
[18:08] * Poet passes out lightning-bolt shaped gingerbread cookies
[18:08] <Belenzie> i finally caught up with all the episodes of PC
[18:08] <DumbleDebbie> yum, thanks Mr M
[18:08] <HeidiBug> lol, prongs
[18:08] <futureweasley> ooh Freyja's hot chocolate...yay!
[18:09] * harryfreak359 takes some of Mr.McG's hot chocolate
[18:09] <MrMcGonagall> I say wa-hey! to hot chocolate.
[18:09] <futureweasley> lol
[18:09] <DumbleDebbie> lol
[18:09] <harryfreak359> Wa-hey1
[18:09] <futureweasley> yes we will MrMcG
[18:09] <futureweasley> Wa-hey is the word
[18:09] <Belenzie> .....well who would want the london underground imprinted on their knee?:)
[18:09] <SoonerGryffindor> is it still raining up there by you Mr M? It has been all day here sad
[18:09] * Poet passes around the bad of mini-marshmallows
[18:09] <HeidiBug> A hot chocolate day keeps the dementors away
[18:09] <MrMcGonagall> It rained all day, but finally quit about 4:00.
[18:09] * ProngsPatronus thinks that hot chocolate is the ambrosia of the gods
[18:09] * SoonerGryffindor also likes hot coffee
[18:09] <futureweasley> ooh, I couldn't agree more, Prongs
[18:09] <krod> mini marshmallows!
[18:09] <DumbleDebbie> at least y'all aren't getting ice again
[18:10] * harryfreak359 thinks that hot chocolate is not really that could, but has to try some anyways
[18:10] <Poet> Yes, we had a horrid rainstorm that unfortunately I got to drive in for a couple hours
[18:10] <HeidiBug> mini marchmallows are a must have!
[18:10] <SoonerGryffindor> true Debbie
[18:10] <MrMcGonagall> True, and we definitely need the rain desperately.
[18:10] <harryfreak359> good, not could*
[18:10] <Belenzie> with lots of sugar in it!!
[18:10] <ProngsPatronus> and it is still going on here--cold, cold rain
[18:10] <krod> i wantsnow
[18:10] <futureweasley> I don't know why...I can't handle coffee
[18:10] <HeidiBug> I wont snow too
[18:10] <futureweasley> I think it will stunt my growth
[18:10] <harryfreak359> It's cold here! 52! That's freezing here.
[18:10] <SoonerGryffindor> w00t2 <--------- all the CB chatters hyped up on sugar
[18:10] <futureweasley> :snicker:
[18:10] <DumbleDebbie> look at me getting all Southern and using "y'all" in a sentence LOL
[18:10] <HeidiBug> Have to have snow for christmas
[18:10] <SoonerGryffindor> lol
[18:10] <harryfreak359> lol
[18:10] <krod> hah
[18:11] * Poet passes futureweasley some yummy low-sugar, low-caffeine snacks
[18:11] <DumbleDebbie> lol FW aren't you 6'1"?
[18:11] <Aislinn> 52 is balmy here, harryfreak smile
[18:11] <krod> so wats with the cused scars?
[18:11] <futureweasley> yes, I am Debbie
[18:11] <futureweasley> lol
[18:11] <DumbleDebbie> too bad you'r so short! :P
[18:11] <krod> cursed*
[18:11] <harryfreak359> hehehe, yeah, I know, we Arizonian's think that it is freezing
[18:11] <SoonerGryffindor> we will talk about those krod in a few
[18:11] <SoonerGryffindor> we like to give everyone a chance to get here and get settled in
[18:11] <ProngsPatronus> I saw that, DumbleDebbie--and you used it properly, too!
[18:11] <krod> hey i just moved from arizona!
[18:12] * HeidiBug sings "All I Want for Christams is Snow!"
[18:12] <SoonerGryffindor> no snow here please
[18:12] <DumbleDebbie> yay PP smile (I do have relative from the South, just don't mention to Sooner which state)
[18:12] <SoonerGryffindor> grrrr
[18:12] <Belenzie> iits supposed to be a green x-mas in southern ontario...........sigh
[18:12] <harryfreak359> I personally wish that I was up north, I think they got some snow up there in some places
[18:12] <SoonerGryffindor> I know and its that "T" word
[18:12] <harryfreak359> I love the cold
[18:12] <krod> where in arizona r u from harry freak?
[18:12] <DumbleDebbie> yes, it is that T word biggrin
[18:12] <MrMcGonagall> You mean Baja Oklahoma, Debbie?
[18:12] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL
[18:12] <harryfreak359> Phoenix smile
[18:12] <DumbleDebbie> LOL Mr M
[18:12] <DumbleDebbie> that's a new one for me
[18:12] * SoonerGryffindor gives Mr M a high five
[18:13] <krod> i just moved form chandler to jersey
[18:13] <HeidiBug> No snow in Ohio. We had some because it snow for about three days straight and then it all went away
[18:13] <krod> lol
[18:13] <futureweasley> I live in Michigan, and I can't remember a green Christmas...but that's what we're supposed to have this year
[18:13] <harryfreak359> nice
[18:13] <MrMcGonagall> It's OK, people in the T-word call Oklahoma Alto Tejas.
[18:13] <ProngsPatronus> grin
[18:13] <DumbleDebbie> no snow here in Maine either sad
[18:13] <Aislinn> nor in NY
[18:13] <harryfreak359> Well, I used to live in the T-word
[18:13] <krod> no snow in jersey either
[18:13] <harryfreak359> biggrin
[18:13] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, but you no longer do hf, so you are cool now
[18:13] <DumbleDebbie> lol HF
[18:13] <ProngsPatronus> used to live in Flagstaff, hf
[18:13] <SoonerGryffindor> laugh
[18:13] <ProngsPatronus> miss the snow
[18:13] <futureweasley> LOL. Sooner!!
[18:13] <harryfreak359> I love Flagstaff
[18:14] <Belenzie> i remeber the one year we got snow late on x-mas eve and by morning it was like a foot high biggrin
[18:14] <MrMcGonagall> We had a white Christmas in Oklahoma about four years ago. It was the first one since 1976, I think.
[18:14] <HeidiBug> ditto Prongs
[18:14] <SoonerGryffindor> I drove through flagstaff once on my way to vegas
[18:14] <harryfreak359> Hey, Texans are very cool!
[18:14] <DumbleDebbie> hey, are you dissing my uncle Sooner? ;)
[18:14] <harryfreak359> wink
[18:14] * SoonerGryffindor is keeping quiet now
[18:14] <harryfreak359> lol
[18:14] * DumbleDebbie given Sooner a big hug
[18:14] <DumbleDebbie> *gives
[18:14] <Belenzie> my dad was in florida the one year it snowed
[18:14] * harryfreak359 hugs Sooner
[18:14] <DumbleDebbie> weird bel
[18:14] <SoonerGryffindor> you guys ready to get started?
[18:15] <Belenzie> sure
[18:15] <DumbleDebbie> nah
[18:15] <futureweasley> Woot!
[18:15] <krod> is it just me or r we way off topic?
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[18:15] <Poet> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. And - for the benefit of our non-English speakers (and those that read the transcript later) please try to use standard, complete English word when typing. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat!
[18:15] <futureweasley> The American Heritage Dictionary defines the word scar in several different ways. A scar is a mark left on the skin after a surface injury or wound has healed. It can also be defined as a lingering sign of damage, either mental or physical.
[18:16] <futureweasley> We see many different types of cursed scars in the Harry Potter Series ranging from mental scars to physical scars. The most famous of all these cursed scars is the scar shaped like a lightning bolt on Harry Potter’s forehead.
[18:16] <futureweasley> Cursed is defined as an evil that has been invoked upon one.
[18:16] <futureweasley> Let’s begin discussing the role Cursed Scars have played in the series thus far.
[18:16] <futureweasley> Jo has said that the shape is not the most significant thing about Harry’s scar. However, why do you think Jo chose to shape Harry’s scar like a lightning bolt?
[18:16] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it might relate to runes
[18:16] <krod> huh?
[18:17] <DumbleDebbie> a symbol of power?
[18:17] <Aislinn> I think there is a rune - ehwaz, or elwaz, something like that, that resembles a lightning bolt
[18:17] <SoonerGryffindor> there are some interesting threads out there on Leaky that talk about runes
[18:17] <Belenzie> because she thought ahead for the lightning struck tower..so it is a shape that curses harry twice??
[18:17] <Poet> It is a very active mark, a sign of fate or destiny - in my opinion. Hitting by lightning...
[18:17] <SoonerGryffindor> right Aislinn, I couldnt think of the name of it
[18:17] <Poet> Yes, and I think it does have ties to runes
[18:17] <futureweasley> I think it could be a symbol of how LV's "powers" were transferred to Harry...moved through his brain as quickly as electricity
[18:17] <krod> well if u get hit by lighting and survive its a miracle
[18:18] <DumbleDebbie> cool FW
[18:18] <SoonerGryffindor> that is a good point as well krod
[18:18] <krod> thnx sooner
[18:18] <ProngsPatronus> sowhelo, I think
[18:18] <SoonerGryffindor> and lets not forget that Harry thought his scar was really cool before he learned how he got it
[18:18] <Belenzie> or that you can't get struck by lightning twice which might indicate Harry's survial at the end?/
[18:18] <harryfreak359> Hmmmm, all of you have good point smile
[18:18] <MrMcGonagall> I'm sure Jo didn't choose it randomly, even if it's not the most significant thing. I think all these theories sound good.
[18:18] <futureweasley> I am horrible about "runes"...can you explain that a bit?
[18:18] <harryfreak359> Yes, me as well,
[18:18] <krod> i tihnk that harry might die wen he kills lv
[18:19] <krod> bc of the connection of the scar between thwem\
[18:19] <SoonerGryffindor> I havent read up on runes as much as I should, but I have seen some info in OB and there is another thread in F&B right now, but I cant remember where
[18:19] <futureweasley> OB = obscurus books, right?
[18:19] <DumbleDebbie> where's Hermione when we need her?
[18:19] <SoonerGryffindor> oops, yes
[18:19] <DumbleDebbie> LOL
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[18:19] <futureweasley> ok, thanks...I will have to take a look
[18:19] <DumbleDebbie> hi 7
[18:19] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome seven
[18:19] <futureweasley> hi 7of9
[18:20] <Poet> krod - and how might that tie into the shape, perhaps its a symbol of connection?
[18:20] <Belenzie> there are multiple sets of runes arn't there, which one are we dealing with in the h.p. series?
[18:20] <SoonerGryffindor> hey seven,do you know anything about runes?
[18:20] <SevenofNine> hi everyone.
[18:20] <Belenzie> darn...i just lagged
[18:20] <SevenofNine> Not a bit
[18:20] <krod> i have a quik question for evryone
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[18:20] <Aislinn> You're right Prongs - and it is meant to symbolize the sun I think
[18:20] <DumbleDebbie> hi cbm
[18:20] <SoonerGryffindor> hi cbm
[18:20] <SevenofNine> Except that Harry's scar looks like one.
[18:20] <futureweasley> hi cbm
[18:20] <cbm> hi
[18:20] <DumbleDebbie> neat Aislinn
[18:20] <HeidiBug> the lightening bolt is a simbol of power . . . it might represent Harry's magical power and also his power to love
[18:20] <krod> have u all heard the theory of harry bein a horcrux?
[18:20] <krod> and his scar bein a sign of it?
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[18:20] <DumbleDebbie> heard it and he's not
[18:20] <SoonerGryffindor> hi ginnyous
[18:20] <DumbleDebbie> hi Ginnyous
[18:21] <futureweasley> we'll have to talk about that in a Horcrux discussion, krod.
[18:21] <futureweasley> hi Ginnyous
[18:21] <Ginnyous> Hi guys
[18:21] <futureweasley> What do you think is the most significant thing about Harry’s scar?
[18:21] <Aislinn> Hi ginnyous, cbm
[18:21] <SevenofNine> Not it's shape, according to Jo
[18:21] <DumbleDebbie> how he got it
[18:21] <SoonerGryffindor> the fact that it does seem to connect him and LV
[18:21] <krod> sry i was just curious
[18:21] <krod> lol
[18:21] <ProngsPatronus> Success, goals achieved, honor. The life-force, health. A time when power will be available to you for positive changes in your life, victory, health, and success. Contact between the higher self and the unconscious. Wholeness, power, elemental force, sword of flame, cleansing fire. Sowilo Merkstave (Sowilo cannot be reversed, but may lie in opposition): False goals, bad counsel, false success, gullibility, loss of goals. Destruction, re
[18:21] <Belenzie> that it can't be healed
[18:21] <Poet> The powers that he's received from Voldemort and the connection it gives to him
[18:21] <HeidiBug> the connection it gives him to Voldemort
[18:21] <DumbleDebbie> just b/c we still don't know exactly what happened that night
[18:21] <SoonerGryffindor> wow... thanks for that Prongs
[18:21] <ProngsPatronus> that is the reading for sowhilo
[18:21] <futureweasley> I think it's the connection that is the most significant as well...
[18:21] <Aislinn> thanks for that, Prongs!
[18:22] <DumbleDebbie> yeah that's key too FW
[18:22] <SevenofNine> I agree future
[18:22] <ProngsPatronus> it is connected to the sun, as is Harry
[18:22] <DumbleDebbie> neat PP, so it is power
[18:22] <futureweasley> also, the fact that the Prophecy said the Dark Lord would "mark" him as an equal
[18:22] <krod> it gives him the "powers that lv nos not"
[18:22] <futureweasley> I think the physical mark is just as important as the magical powers
[18:22] <SevenofNine> But is it the scar that gives harry the power LV knows not? The scar doesn't give Harry his ability to love
[18:22] <ProngsPatronus> cleansing fire interests me a lot in that reading
[18:22] <krod> ya bc uit sets him apart from evryone else
[18:22] <SoonerGryffindor> well, personally I think the power he knows not is love, not anything to do with the scar, but I think the scar is important to tune him into LV
[18:22] <Poet> I also think that it is a constant reminder to Harry of what happened and what his destiny may be.
[18:22] <Aislinn> yes, future - it is the visible mark that symbolizes the effects of LV's marking Harry as his equal
[18:22] <DumbleDebbie> it definitely sets him apart, even before he knew he was a wizard
[18:22] <Belenzie> .and why would Dumbles want Harry to live with.yes it will be a constant reminder for who he is, but it also reminds everyone else which is a burden on him
[18:23] <Aislinn> in what way, Prongs?
[18:23] <futureweasley> right Bel...I totally agree
[18:23] <DumbleDebbie> yes, I think that's his power too Sooner
[18:23] <SoonerGryffindor> every single time Harry looks in the mirror he will be reminded of what happened to him and what he has to do
[18:23] <MrMcGonagall> I think it's what was transferred to him. Love is something Harry has that LV never had.
[18:23] <SoonerGryffindor> very true Mr M
[18:23] <SevenofNine> I agree Mr.McG
[18:23] <krod> well he does have it
[18:23] <DumbleDebbie> like a Phoenix Prongs?
[18:24] <futureweasley> Love is something that LV knows not...but I don't know if that's "all"...
[18:24] <SevenofNine> So what other power could LV have given harry? Parseltongue
[18:24] <krod> i mean with the weasleyus and dumbledore
[18:24] <krod> an dsirius
[18:24] <SoonerGryffindor> I see the scar as more of a physical manifestation of the psychic link that they have
[18:24] <Ginnyous> I don't think he needs to see his scar to remind him of what he has to do.
[18:24] <SevenofNine> But only that? What else could come through the scar--back to that connection
[18:24] <futureweasley> the scar wouldn't have given Harry the ability to love, you are right abou that
[18:24] <DumbleDebbie> true Sooner
[18:24] <MrMcGonagall> I think the scar also symbolizes Harry's woundedness.
[18:24] <SoonerGryffindor> yes
[18:24] <Aislinn> yes, Mr M - I completely agree with that
[18:24] <SoonerGryffindor> I do think that parseltongie is from LV seven
[18:24] <SevenofNine> Very much so
[18:24] <krod> me to
[18:24] <SoonerGryffindor> but I dont know that he gave him anything else
[18:24] <krod> ya it is
[18:25] <DumbleDebbie> awww that's good Mr M
[18:25] <SevenofNine> I agree Sooner, but is that all that harry got from him -- besides the link?
[18:25] <ProngsPatronus> maybe to do with a Phoenix, or even a Patronus
[18:25] <Poet> MrMcGonagall - and those wounds at the hand of voldemort continue to increase throughout the series, don't they?
[18:25] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont think he got much else from him honestly
[18:25] <futureweasley> Is Harry’s scar merely a physical reminder that he is the "Chosen One"?
[18:25] <Ginnyous> I think that he gave him the power that he need it to defeat him
[18:25] <DumbleDebbie> Harry has some legilimency talent at least when directed at Voldy
[18:25] <SevenofNine> No, I think there's more to the scar.
[18:25] <Aislinn> no, I think that is one function it serves, but there is definitely more to the scar
[18:25] <DumbleDebbie> nope, more than that
[18:25] <MrMcGonagall> No, I think it has enduring importance throughout the series.
[18:26] <SoonerGryffindor> no, it hurts to give him warning as well
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[18:26] <futureweasley> me too, 7of9
[18:26] <SoonerGryffindor> hey tanaqui
[18:26] <krod> i think the fact that he harry is a constant reminder of him bein tthe chosen one
[18:26] <futureweasley> there has got to be more than that
[18:26] <futureweasley> hi tanaqui
[18:26] <Aislinn> hi tanaqui
[18:26] <DumbleDebbie> hi tanaqui
[18:26] <Tanaqui> hello hello!
[18:26] <krod> hi tanaqui
[18:26] <SoonerGryffindor> it has come in useful, just like DD predicted. Harry's scar hurting before always served to give hiim warning
[18:26] <Ginnyous> woul he have the same conection with LV if he didnt have it?
[18:26] <Aislinn> I think it acts as a physical reminder to those people around him, but not so much for Harry himself
[18:26] <Poet> I agree that there are some other talents that it gave him, since we know the shape isn't the most important thing, some of these powers must have great importance - beyond just parsletounge
[18:26] <DumbleDebbie> Harry's form of backscatter radar!
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[18:27] <futureweasley> right...the fact that it gives off "warning pings" is just miraculous...to say the least
[18:27] <krod> yes sooner but it also let harry no wat lv was feeling
[18:27] <HeidiBug> I agree Aislinn
[18:27] <SoonerGryffindor> yes krod, it did give Harry some ideas on his moods
[18:27] <Poet> Yes, Harry has insight into Voldemort that no one else does
[18:27] <Belenzie> :D
[18:27] * Belenzie sighs
[18:27] <Belenzie> but it also reminds everyone else of what he Did which is significant
[18:27] <Belenzie> ....
[18:28] <krod> wat harry did?
[18:28] <SevenofNine> Good question Ginnyous.
[18:28] <DumbleDebbie> I don't think so Ginnymous
[18:28] <Ginnyous> I think that even if you could have it removed he would still be able to have the same connection with LV
[18:28] <Aislinn> I don't think he would ginnyous
[18:28] <futureweasley> yes, it brings to light that Harry is the one...even if only a few people know what "the one" means
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[18:28] <cbm> I think that the scar also acts as a conduit
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[18:28] <SevenofNine> That could come down to whether or not the scar is merely symbolic or if there's something physical going on.
[18:28] <SoonerGryffindor> hey fawkes
[18:28] <futureweasley> hi fawkes
[18:28] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, fawkes!
[18:28] <DumbleDebbie> hi fawkes
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[18:28] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it is a combination of both seven
[18:28] <SevenofNine> Greetings fawkes
[18:28] <Ginnyous> hi fawkes
[18:28] <Poet> Hi NYBookworm
[18:28] <futureweasley> hi NYBookworm
[18:28] <NYBookworm> hi
[18:29] <SoonerGryffindor> hey NY
[18:29] <fawkes28> hello everyone smile
[18:29] <krod> i dont think he wouls bc lv transfered some of his powers to harry through the scar..unintentionally of course ginnyous
[18:29] <futureweasley> What is the nature of the connection that is forged between Voldy and Harry by the scar?
[18:29] <DumbleDebbie> wb bel hi NYB
[18:29] <MrMcGonagall> Honestly, I think there's a bit of LV inside Harry.
[18:29] <Belenzie> thanks DD
[18:29] <SevenofNine> I wish I knew that futue
[18:29] <futureweasley> I think it's "electric"...pardon the pun, but it is
[18:29] <krod> it makes them equally powerful
[18:29] <Aislinn> I think that there is a powerful connection between the 2 of them through that scar
[18:29] <HeidiBug> I agree Mr M
[18:29] <SoonerGryffindor> fate
[18:29] <SoonerGryffindor> their fates are now tied together
[18:29] <DumbleDebbie> some sort of psychic link
[18:29] <Aislinn> I think it is mainly psychic
[18:29] <futureweasley> there is conductivity going both ways
[18:29] <futureweasley> they feed off each other
[18:29] <Belenzie> well do we already knoweverything or is there more that Jo hasn't revealed????
[18:29] <SoonerGryffindor> no idea bel
[18:30] <krod> ya but their fates r ties together bc of lv
[18:30] <Aislinn> I'm sure there is more bel
[18:30] <SevenofNine> If that's the case and LV dies I hope Harry doesn't suffer
[18:30] <Tanaqui> i agree with dumbledebbie and aislinn...
[18:30] <Poet> I agree MrMcGonagall , a lost bit of LV that causes that pain when they are nearby, and gives him visions of what LV is up to
[18:30] <Aislinn> krod - please use complete words
[18:30] <HeidiBug> We know Harry feels Voldy's moods but does Voldy feel Harrys?
[18:30] <Tanaqui> it's like they've got radio frequencies mixed up and can't help but get crossed signals once in a while
[18:30] <futureweasley> I think that is almost an inevitability, unfortunately, seven
[18:30] <SoonerGryffindor> right. LV "marked" Harry according to the prophecy and now they are fated to where one will have to destroy the other
[18:30] <fawkes28> i like that example tanaqui
[18:30] <SevenofNine> I hope he does Heidi. I want Harry to use that against LV
[18:30] <harryfreak359> Good example, Tanaqui
[18:30] <Aislinn> I think that the connection goes both ways, and that Harry will learn how to use it to his advantage in the next book
[18:30] <krod> because he chose to take matters into his own hands befor listening to the entire prophevy
[18:31] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Aislinn.
[18:31] <SoonerGryffindor> kinda like when your filling picks up radio signals, except creepier and scarier
[18:31] <fawkes28> i think it is important for the story for them to share a connection
[18:31] <futureweasley> but I don't think it will have "permanent" effects...like electricity...it comes as quickly as it goes. It's lightning fast
[18:31] <harryfreak359> I agree Aislinn
[18:31] <DumbleDebbie> you've had a filling do that?
[18:31] <DumbleDebbie> :D
[18:31] <Belenzie> maybe the fact that Harry can feel Voldy's emotions will come intoe play again, and it will be reversed resulting in Voldy feeling Harry's love for someone or something at a certain moment...maybe helping harry win in some way??
[18:31] <SoonerGryffindor> not me, but I hav heard of that
[18:31] <DumbleDebbie> LOL
[18:31] <Poet> I agree Aislinn. Harry felt emotions from Voldemort in Book 5 and , yes...
[18:31] <MrMcGonagall> They have so much in common, yet they are so different.
[18:31] <Ginnyous> I have to go guys have fun!
[18:31] <Aislinn> yes, bel, something like that
[18:31] <Aislinn> bye ginny
[18:31] <fawkes28> in some way i think that will happen bel
[18:31] <futureweasley> right, MrMcG..ying and yang
[18:31] <DumbleDebbie> force feed Voldy love bursts
[18:32] <SevenofNine> Bye Ginnyous
[18:32] <fawkes28> bye ginny
[18:32] <krod> bye ginnyous
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[18:32] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Aislinn that Harry can now affect that, but I have always thought that was because of something other than the scar
[18:32] <DumbleDebbie> bye ginny
[18:32] <krod> haha debbie
[18:32] <Poet> We've already seen that effect when Voldemort tried to possess Harry at the end of Book 5
[18:32] <SevenofNine> I'm actuall;y hoping Harry will use the link to draw LV to the final confrontation as LV used it to drawy Harry to the MoM
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[18:32] <Poet> seen it a little
[18:32] <cbm> Hopefully Voldemort felt Harry emotions the last two weeks of HBP and it hurt him
[18:32] <Aislinn> and what would that be, sooner?
[18:32] <futureweasley> there's something to be said for that, Debbie
[18:32] <DumbleDebbie> hi Pleshette
[18:32] <fawkes28> hi pleshette
[18:32] <futureweasley> hi Pleshette
[18:32] <Aislinn> Hi pleshette
[18:32] <futureweasley> Do you believe that Harry’s scar is a blessing in disguise?
[18:32] <DumbleDebbie> oh yes
[18:32] <SevenofNine> Yes
[18:33] <Poet> Oh wow - I love the circular nature of that theory SevenofNine
[18:33] <DumbleDebbie> Dumbledore as much as said so
[18:33] <Pleshette> Hi smile
[18:33] <fawkes28> yes, i actually think it is
[18:33] <HeidiBug> Yeah, I think it will come in handy
[18:33] <cbm> I think it will be one of the things that lead to Voldemort downfall
[18:33] <MrMcGonagall> I think it will have a lot to do with his ability to defeat LV, so in that sense it is a blessing in disguise.
[18:33] <SevenofNine> Me, too, Poet.
[18:33] <SevenofNine> I wonder if perhaps it will be a major tool--think of how Harry bested LV when their wands were linked.
[18:33] <Aislinn> I think that the connection is going to be critical for Harry
[18:34] <Aislinn> yes, Seven
[18:34] <fawkes28> it already has been a blessing - if it wasn't for the scar harry would not have been able to save mr. weasley
[18:34] <krod> yes me to
[18:34] <HeidiBug> good point, seven!
[18:34] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont think we will know the answer to that for sure until the end of book 7
[18:34] <DumbleDebbie> true fawkes
[18:34] <futureweasley> I think that the connection is both a blessing and a curse...but it does allow Harry to stay a "step ahead" of LV
[18:34] <Aislinn> right, fawkes - it has given Harry vital information
[18:34] <SoonerGryffindor> but was it the scar that allowed for that?
[18:34] <Tanaqui> it has certainly given him support--especially when he first got his hogwarts letter
[18:34] <futureweasley> or, at least, right in step with him
[18:34] <Aislinn> yes, sooner
[18:34] <DumbleDebbie> I thnk so Sooner
[18:34] <HeidiBug> That was Harry's arguement, wasn't it? Why learn Occlumency when the dreams save Mr Weasley
[18:34] <MrMcGonagall> I think the scar is indicative that something entered Harry from outside himself.
[18:34] <cbm> Still I do not think that Harry would call it a blessing
[18:34] <krod> i gotta go guys sry
[18:35] <krod> byrr
[18:35] <SoonerGryffindor> bye krod
[18:35] <Poet> bye
[18:35] <krod> bye*
[18:35] <Tanaqui> yes, future--he also is trapped by his scar
[18:35] <futureweasley> bye Krod
[18:35] <Belenzie> he won't be trying that anytime soon?
[18:35] <Belenzie> poet I love you..biggrin
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[18:35] <Aislinn> I think the scar is the physical manifestation of the connection that was forged at the time the curse rebounded
[18:35] <Belenzie> omg!! maybe that was the look of triumph?? since voldy had Harry's blood it made it possible for Vldy to posess Harry and Dumbles knew that what happened in the atrium would happen??
[18:35] <SevenofNine> The scar is the connection like the wands were connected. Harry can use it as he did in the cemetery scene--once he understand that
[18:35] * Belenzie sighs
[18:35] <DumbleDebbie> I thinkk it's theother way around Mr M
[18:35] <futureweasley> right, it's his "calling"
[18:35] <HeidiBug> I think Harry would admit that it has it's uses
[18:35] <SoonerGryffindor> thank you Bel!
[18:35] <fawkes28> it is important for harry to maintain that connection with voldemort even though it may seem like a "curse"
[18:35] <SoonerGryffindor> that is exactly what I have been dying to say
[18:35] <Aislinn> right, seven
[18:35] <SevenofNine> Exactly fawkes
[18:36] <DumbleDebbie> I think there's way mor to the gleam than waht we've seen already
[18:36] <Aislinn> the connection started before the blood transfer
[18:36] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, but it really only worked one way before that
[18:36] <SevenofNine> harry's been the victim all this time. I really hope that harry realizes it goes both ways.
[18:36] <MrMcGonagall> I think the connection became even stronger as a result of the blood transfer, and in a way that is not really to LV's benefit.
[18:36] <Aislinn> I think he will come to that realization seven
[18:36] <fawkes28> good point, seven - i think he will learn to use it to his advantage
[18:36] <futureweasley> well, one man's trash is another man's treasure...what LV would discard and see as a "weakness", Harry will be able to turn around and use as his greatest advantage in their fight
[18:36] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that LV had the advantage before the blood transfer, and now Harry has it
[18:36] <SevenofNine> He's not good at Occlumency, but I think he's a good legilimense
[18:36] <Pleshette> I agree Mr.McG
[18:36] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Sooner.
[18:37] <HeidiBug> I still think the scar's a horcrux, not to debate or anything, but that's what I think it is. I just can't shake that theory.
[18:37] <DumbleDebbie> true FW
[18:37] <SevenofNine> yes, future
[18:37] <fawkes28> because the connection is an opening or at least a starting point that harry has to work with
[18:37] <DumbleDebbie> me too 7
[18:37] <Aislinn> If that were true, why was LV able to use it so effectively to his advantage in OotP?
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[18:37] <futureweasley> me too 7...he's rubbish at Occlumency, and we don't see Harry being "rubbish" at anything
[18:37] <SoonerGryffindor> Harry didnt realize his advantage
[18:37] <futureweasley> I think that will be keyu
[18:37] <futureweasley> *key
[18:37] <SoonerGryffindor> and LV didnt realize the weakness in that
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[18:37] <SevenofNine> It's lsike harry's been running away from the connection all this time.
[18:37] <DumbleDebbie> wb Bel
[18:38] <SevenofNine> Now it's time for him to run to it.
[18:38] <Aislinn> I think the connection has always been 2 way - it just became more of a reality once LV resumed an actual body
[18:38] <DumbleDebbie> ooo, that's good 7
[18:38] <Belenzie> thanks again .....lol
[18:38] <SoonerGryffindor> right. and I will argue all day long that there is a very important component to LV's body.
[18:38] <SevenofNine> too real a reality Aislinn
[18:38] <Belenzie> i agree Aislinn
[18:38] <DumbleDebbie> huh?
[18:38] <Tanaqui> so, aislinn, while harry was living his first 10 years with the dursleys, he was experiencing lv? he just didn't know it?
[18:38] <Aislinn> right, seven, he has been avoiding it, and people have encouraged him to avoid it through Occlumency, but really - he should embrace it, and use it to his advantage
[18:38] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Aislinn. I think the scar and the blood transfer are linked thematically.
[18:38] <SoonerGryffindor> LV left some of himself in Harry, and now Harry has some of himself in LV
[18:39] <SoonerGryffindor> it all relates to each other
[18:39] <MrMcGonagall> Exactamundo, Sooner!
[18:39] <Aislinn> I think to some small degree, yes tanaqui
[18:39] <HeidiBug> good point sooner
[18:39] <HeidiBug> I didn't think of that!
[18:39] <Poet> I think Voldemort was too far away and too weak those first 10 years
[18:39] <fawkes28> also, voldemort may think he has the upper hand with their connection - once he starts getting too arrogant he begins to foul up which causes him to harm himself
[18:39] <Tanaqui> okay, just wanted to be clear on your point
[18:39] <futureweasley> they are connected...in every possible way. And LV did that...so whatever happens really is his own doing!
[18:39] <SoonerGryffindor> yep
[18:39] <Aislinn> I don't disagree with that, but the scar is the connection that started it all
[18:39] <Aislinn> the blood may have strengthened it a bit
[18:39] <Pleshette> yes future
[18:39] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree with that, but I think the level of connection they have is deeper because of the blood
[18:39] <futureweasley> it's so Oedipus...really
[18:39] <Poet> Yes, I agree futureweasley ... he marked Harry as his equal
[18:40] <DumbleDebbie> lol FW
[18:40] <SevenofNine> Oh, I think the blood definitely strengthen it.
[18:40] <Belenzie> lol
[18:40] <Aislinn> but it is up to Harry to make use of the connection - and the connection is a psychic one, forged when harry was a baby
[18:40] <fawkes28> the scar was the doorway and the blood opened the doorway open smile
[18:40] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Sooner. I think it has somehow given Harry a weapon of sorts to use against LV.
[18:40] <SoonerGryffindor> yes
[18:40] <DumbleDebbie> gotcha
[18:40] <Aislinn> he always had the weapon
[18:40] <SevenofNine> Yes, Harry has powers he knows not
[18:40] <futureweasley> yes 7
[18:40] <Aislinn> from the time of the attack
[18:40] <Belenzie> now he just has to learn to harness it
[18:40] <SevenofNine> And I don't think it's parseltongue
[18:40] <SoonerGryffindor> so it still doesnt answer the last question future asked-- is it a blessing or not?
[18:41] <Aislinn> and from his mother's love
[18:41] <DumbleDebbie> yes, it's a blessing
[18:41] <Belenzie> not yet it's not
[18:41] <Aislinn> a mixed one
[18:41] <MrMcGonagall> If it culminates in the defeat of LV, it's a blessing in disguise.
[18:41] <Tanaqui> i still say it's mixed, sooner
[18:41] <SevenofNine> Blessing if it helps Harry kick LV's butt
[18:41] <futureweasley> no, it would have to be deeper than parseltongue, IMO
[18:41] <Belenzie> .but it hopefully will be
[18:41] <SoonerGryffindor> me too tanaqui
[18:41] <fawkes28> it is a blessing more so for the future than the present
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[18:41] <DumbleDebbie> hey Stewie
[18:41] <SoonerGryffindor> hey stewie
[18:41] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, stewie!
[18:41] <Poet> The scar is a marvelous blessing I think
[18:41] <HeidiBug> hi stew
[18:41] <fawkes28> hi stewie
[18:41] <stewiegryf> hi everyone!
[18:41] <SevenofNine> gotta run folks. Bye!
[18:41] <DumbleDebbie> bye 7
[18:41] <SoonerGryffindor> bye seven!
[18:42] <HeidiBug> we're talking about Harry
[18:42] <fawkes28> harry doesn't always think it is a blessing - it can be very painful at times
[18:42] <fawkes28> bye 7!
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[18:42] <Pleshette> Hi stewie, bye seven
[18:42] <MrMcGonagall> I would settle for a mixed blessing. Pain in the present but also ultimate victory.
[18:42] <futureweasley> everything that comes in life has both positive and negative attributes...it's just a matter of exploiting the good and diminishing the bad. Harry will find balance
[18:42] <Aislinn> yes, Mr M, that is how I see it too
[18:42] <fawkes28> i think if harry looked at the whole picture he would realize that it is a blessing
[18:42] <Poet> The scar was Harry's favorite part of himself when he was younger. I hope that he feels that again someday
[18:42] <DumbleDebbie> FW is now channeling yoda ;)
[18:42] * SoonerGryffindor is going to sit on the fence until she reads book 7 on that question
[18:42] <fawkes28> nice point, poet
[18:43] * MrMcGonagall pictures FW sitting in the lots position going "ommmmm..."
[18:43] <SoonerGryffindor> hahahahaha
[18:43] <fawkes28> lol
[18:43] * DumbleDebbie thinks that's gonna hurt SOoner
[18:43] <cbm> I agree poet
[18:43] <futureweasley> lol, I almost said that MrMcG
[18:43] <stewiegryf> haha
[18:43] <futureweasley> Has Harry's scar had any other impact on his life besides the connection with Voldemort?
[18:43] <DumbleDebbie> lol Mr M
[18:43] <Belenzie> are wegoing to discuss the last worb being scar...?
[18:43] <Poet> It's hard for him to hide who he is
[18:43] <MrMcGonagall> It has given him an unpleasant taste of fame.
[18:43] <Tanaqui> yep--ron identified him immediately
[18:43] <HeidiBug> yes, people notice him a lot because of it
[18:43] <Belenzie> it's made him a Freak!!!
[18:43] <SoonerGryffindor> well, it makes him very recognizable
[18:43] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, makes him easy to spot in a crowd
[18:43] <Belenzie> lol
[18:43] <Aislinn> Yes - it has made him immediately recognizable to every stranger that meets him
[18:43] <stewiegryf> It's his most noticable feature. It's what everyone first looks at.
[18:44] <Pleshette> Everyone knows who he is before he even speaks
[18:44] <Aislinn> the obligatory glance up at the scar
[18:44] <Tanaqui> i also think it helped him get a friendship with dumbledore
[18:44] <SoonerGryffindor> which is sad, because some people cant get past the scar to know the boy within
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[18:44] <DumbleDebbie> with DD?
[18:44] <Pleshette> Yes and the legend of how he got that scar
[18:44] <DumbleDebbie> hi WW
[18:44] <Whisperwing> Hi
[18:44] <SoonerGryffindor> hey WW
[18:44] <Aislinn> it makes him a celebrity - with all of the positives and negatives and complete unreality that goes along with that celebrity
[18:44] <Belenzie> maybe
[18:44] <Pleshette> yes Ais
[18:44] <MrMcGonagall> I agree completely, Aislinn.
[18:44] <Poet> I think the scar brings out strong feelings in others, and Harry often knows right away what others think of him by their reactions
[18:44] <futureweasley> Harry has, since becoming a member of the Wizarding Community, wanted to be known as more than "the boy with the scar". I think that it's helped him get out of some pretty precarious situations, though
[18:45] <futureweasley> people do give "Harry Potter" more leway
[18:45] <MrMcGonagall> I think there are many days Harry wishes he didn't have the scar . . . the ability to be seen as "normal."
[18:45] <stewiegryf> I think it always makes him the center of attention, whether he wants it or not.
[18:45] <DumbleDebbie> i'm sure he does Mr M
[18:45] <cbm> I wonder how many times in the books harry meets people who do the glance thing
[18:45] <Whisperwing> Absolutely.
[18:45] <HeidiBug> He's a "marked" man
[18:45] <Tanaqui> i also think it's helped him gain some confidence--at least at first
[18:45] <Aislinn> yes, like Tonks suggested, when he asked about becoming a Metamorphmagus
[18:45] <futureweasley> me too Tanaqui
[18:45] <Whisperwing> Enough that by the time he met Amos Diggory he was pretty much blase about it
[18:46] <SoonerGryffindor> cbm, I bet its everyone in the wizarding world
[18:46] <Aislinn> yes, sooner, I think it is
[18:46] <Whisperwing> Starting with Ron
[18:46] <cbm> true
[18:46] <Poet> Yes like it's hard to have that scar, I'm sure it would be equally hard for him to lose it (going back to the question of the last word of the book)
[18:46] <futureweasley> he'd have to learn Metamorphmagus "the hard way"...and I think that he has that ability. That, of course, has nothing to do with the actual "physical" scar...but the confidence and sense of purpose the scar has given him
[18:46] <HeidiBug> I think he'd be glad to be rid of it
[18:47] <MrMcGonagall> His schoolmates eventually become accustomed to him, but every new person he meets in the wizarding world either knows immediately who he is when they see the scar, or they look for it as soon as they're introduced.
[18:47] <Poet> No matter what, it's now defined a large part of who he is
[18:47] <Whisperwing> I think he can't be rid of it while Voldemort lives
[18:47] <Aislinn> yes, future, I think that the scar reinforces for him the internal and powerful sense of purpose he has
[18:47] <futureweasley> yes Poet, I completely agree
[18:47] <SoonerGryffindor> I still wonder how everyone knew about the scar in the first place
[18:47] <Poet> I agree Whisperwing
[18:47] <Poet> Interesting Sooner!
[18:47] <stewiegryf> I've wondered that too, sooner.
[18:47] <DumbleDebbie> I hadn't ever thought of that Sooner
[18:47] <Tanaqui> perhaps hagrid, sooner?
[18:47] <Pleshette> So true Sooner
[18:47] <SoonerGryffindor> only DD, Hagrid, and MM saw him, right?
[18:47] <Whisperwing> Really good question
[18:47] <cbm> I think the The scar is a symbol of everything that has gone wrong in his life
[18:47] <DumbleDebbie> that we know
[18:47] <Whisperwing> And Sirius, didn't he?
[18:48] <Poet> You're right. *Scratches head*
[18:48] <stewiegryf> Hagrid being the suspect in that group, sooner.
[18:48] <HeidiBug> gosip travels far
[18:48] <SoonerGryffindor> well, but he was in jail
[18:48] <DumbleDebbie> but we don't know about that 24 hrs in between
[18:48] <Aislinn> and whoever else was there that night, sooner
[18:48] <Whisperwing> When he handed over the bike?
[18:48] <futureweasley> travels far and fast
[18:48] <MrMcGonagall> I think DD probably gave an account to the Ministry, and the information leaked out. Everybody was dying for news of LV's downfall.
[18:48] <DumbleDebbie> Hagrid does tend to have loose lips
[18:48] <HeidiBug> very fast
[18:48] <Aislinn> but I think that Hagrid could have talked about it over a pint more than once
[18:48] <Pleshette> Could be Mr.McG
[18:48] <SoonerGryffindor> that has to have been it Mr M
[18:48] <Whisperwing> The mysterious other person in Godric's Hollow with Voldemort?
[18:48] <stewiegryf> Can't you just see Hagrid telling the tale of Harry Potter in a bar somewhere? Maybe the Leaky Cauldron?
[18:48] <futureweasley> think of the wizard Mr. Dursley saw dancing in the street the day of LV's demise
[18:48] <Aislinn> exactly stewie
[18:48] <SoonerGryffindor> but even the Ministry of Magic for Bulgaria knew about it
[18:48] <Tanaqui> somehow i doubt lv is spreading that harry has a scar... lol
[18:48] <DumbleDebbie> whomever was with Voldy would have been in hiding I would think
[18:48] <Poet> Goodness knows, Hagrid certainly knew of it. Makes you wonder if Rita or someone else interviewed him
[18:48] <stewiegryf> He does seem to be a regular in there when he walks in in SS.
[18:48] <Pleshette> I'm not sure Hagrid would blab about this though
[18:48] <SoonerGryffindor> tht wasnt gossip he heard it from
[18:48] <HeidiBug> Do we even know for sure that there was another person with Voldemort?
[18:49] <futureweasley> Lucius has said "your scar is legend"
[18:49] <Pleshette> Especially if DD asked him not to
[18:49] <Aislinn> he is incredibly famous, sooner - every little detail about him would have been talked about
[18:49] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, Harry's description is in half the books written about LV, as Hermione points out.
[18:49] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Pleshette
[18:49] <cbm> I think that the scar was mentioned in the first reports, and just went from there
[18:49] <futureweasley> I agree cbm
[18:49] <Belenzie> Hagrid does have "loose" lips but I think even he would realize the importance that not being rrepeated especially if Dumbledore told him not to say anything
[18:49] <DumbleDebbie> well, the account of Harry is in several history books
[18:49] <Poet> Harry's scar also impacted his ability to do well on his History of Magic OWL exam (just one small example)
[18:49] <Whisperwing> It's the way the flashback in the movie version of PoA was designed, under Jo's guidance, to make sure the possibility of there being someone else with him wasn't ruled out
[18:49] <futureweasley> I takes lots of talk to make something a "legend"
[18:49] <SoonerGryffindor> very true Poet
[18:49] <MrMcGonagall> He was a celebrity at the age of one. Look at how gaga and prying people have been about TomKat's baby.
[18:49] <stewiegryf> But did Dumbledore ever tell Hagrid not to say anything about the scar?
[18:50] <SoonerGryffindor> I also think that some people might expect more from him because of it, if you know what I mean
[18:50] <Aislinn> Hagrid is not good about keeping secrets, but I think that Mr M was right about there being an inquiry, and the information being entered into some official record
[18:50] <Belenzie> .I love Jo.she is so eeeeeeeevil
[18:50] <harryfreak359> I agree Sooner
[18:50] <Belenzie> biggrin
[18:50] <futureweasley> Does Voldemort have a scar on his soul from the rebounded Avada Kedavra Curse?
[18:50] <MrMcGonagall> The downfall of LV would have been something to record in the history books - every detail that was known.
[18:50] <SoonerGryffindor> If he were normal he might, but I dont think so
[18:51] <HeidiBug> well . . . maybe?
[18:51] <Poet> Voldemort's soul is likely quite messed up already smile
[18:51] <futureweasley> I don't see how he couldn't. It's possible that the even accidently made a horcrux
[18:51] <DumbleDebbie> his pieces of soul are such a mess it'd be hard to sort out which scars were from where
[18:51] <Tanaqui> probably not his entire soul...just one piece of it, if that one even exists anymore
[18:51] <fawkes28> i think this theory is interesting
[18:51] <MrMcGonagall> That soul had so many scars that one more couldn't make much of a difference.
[18:51] <Belenzie> techniclly doesn't he have multpile scars??
[18:51] <Whisperwing> He must, for there to be an extant connection from him to Harry, there has to be a root in Voldemort tying that link to Harry's scar
[18:51] <DumbleDebbie> lol Mr M ;)
[18:51] <Aislinn> His soul is so mutilated, who could tell
[18:51] <Belenzie> oops spelling
[18:51] <stewiegryf> No, I don't think so. I think that the rebounded AK caused Harry's scar and that was the only scar made that night.
[18:51] <fawkes28> because then it would make the connection complete between harry and himself
[18:51] <cbm> I think his soul is too messed to get a sca
[18:51] <cbm> scar
[18:51] <HeidiBug> If Harry's scar is a horcrux, then yes
[18:51] <Belenzie> good point Fawkes
[18:51] <futureweasley> killing scars the soul...no matter how "little" soul you have left, there's a mark of some kind
[18:52] <Tanaqui> well, the connection might be on his brain/mind, rather than his soul
[18:52] <HeidiBug> but he didn't kill Harry
[18:52] <DumbleDebbie> and I'm thinking he killed a lot of peopel FW
[18:52] <Poet> Usually an AK would rip the soul from the body. I wonder if his soul is a little stretched a bit from trying to exit but being held back by his horcrux anchors
[18:52] <Pleshette> I'll try to get back later...
[18:52] <stewiegryf> A "tear" in the soul isn't exactly a "scar", per se.
[18:52] <Aislinn> but he didn't kill Harry, so apart from blowing his own body apart, would it have still scarred his soul?
[18:52] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, fw. I think LV split his soul again in the instant that he cast the AK curse. Not necessarily scarred as a result of the rebound, though.
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[18:52] <DumbleDebbie> bye Plehsette
[18:52] <Aislinn> so you think the intention of the act does it, regardless of the act's success, Mr M?
[18:52] <futureweasley> it could have been a complete mistake...like he had no control
[18:53] <DumbleDebbie> nope, I don't Aislinn
[18:53] <Aislinn> then LV would have split his soul again the night he tried to cast the AK at DD, that Fawkes swallowed
[18:53] <DumbleDebbie> I don't think that can be an accident (a horcrux)
[18:53] <MrMcGonagall> Good point, Aislinn. I'm not sure I would say that.
[18:53] <stewiegryf> I don't think so Aislinn, because harry was well intended to kill Snape on that fateful night.
[18:53] <fawkes28> i think if it rebounded and hit him and it was unintentional then it would be considered a scar and not a tear
[18:53] <futureweasley> once you've killed and created so many different horcruxes...I would think your soul might have a "trigger"...like it anticipates what the wizard's next move might be
[18:54] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that his mother's sacrifice protected him and the AK rebounded, but left the scar
[18:54] <Aislinn> yeah, I don't think so either - I think it is that completed act of the killing that splits the soul.
[18:54] <DumbleDebbie> I think the rebound separated what was left of Voldy's soul from his physical body, not necessarily impactd the soul piece itself
[18:54] <Tanaqui> a scar is a wound that has healed, right, so a tear wouldn't necessarily scar unless it was put back together?
[18:54] <HeidiBug> I think killing rips the soul, but there's a another spell or something you have to do after AK that ties the soul to something to make a horcrus
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[18:54] <Poet> I don't think the AK hitting Voldemort scarred him. I think the horcruxes protected him sufficiently. Of course I believe there was other damage from killing Lily and James just before of course
[18:54] <futureweasley> hi shan
[18:54] <Aislinn> yes, debbie - that's what I think
[18:54] <DumbleDebbie> hi shan
[18:54] <SoonerGryffindor> hi shan
[18:54] <Shan21> howdy
[18:54] <Aislinn> hi shan smile
[18:54] <stewiegryf> exactly tanaqui
[18:54] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Debbie.
[18:55] <Poet> I agree DumbleDebbie
[18:55] <SoonerGryffindor> well, the rebound is what killed LV
[18:55] <fawkes28> i think there needs to be an opening on voldemort's end to properly transmit the connection that the two of them share, which is why i think voldemort has a scar
[18:55] <futureweasley> "killed" LV
[18:55] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, it destroyed his body.
[18:55] <SoonerGryffindor> except he had horcruxes, so he didnt die
[18:55] <DumbleDebbie> after all AK isn't intended to do sould damage is it? doesn't it just kill the physical body
[18:55] <SoonerGryffindor> but it still "killed" him in the traditional sense
[18:55] <DumbleDebbie> *soul
[18:55] <Whisperwing> Which is merely the vessel for the soul itself
[18:55] <Aislinn> it splits the caster's soul, debbie - not the person who is on the receiving end
[18:55] <DumbleDebbie> right Sooner his floating sould didn't 'cross over' because of the horcruxes
[18:56] <MrMcGonagall> It separated body from soul, which is generally what we would mean by mortal death.
[18:56] <futureweasley> Is it only Dark Magic that can cause cursed scars?
[18:56] <Poet> I believe so.
[18:56] <Shan21> Voldemort has a scar?
[18:56] <HeidiBug> DD said that "Killing is not as easy as the inocent think" which makes me believe that the act rips the soul
[18:56] <cbm> We do not have enough information
[18:56] <futureweasley> I think that's the definition of the term "cursed"
[18:56] <MrMcGonagall> A cursed scar specifically? I think yes.
[18:56] <futureweasley> it would have to be dark magic
[18:56] <Aislinn> I'm not sure that werewolf bites are considered Dark Magic, but Madame Pomfrey referred to Bill's wounds as cursed
[18:56] <Poet> It almost seems like the Dark Magic infected the wound.
[18:56] <SoonerGryffindor> yes
[18:56] <SoonerGryffindor> I bet werewolf bites are dark magic
[18:57] <MrMcGonagall> Well, werewolves are dark creatures, or they wouldn't be covered in a DADA class.
[18:57] <Whisperwing> A Light Magic can scar the evil, surely
[18:57] <DumbleDebbie> they would seem to be
[18:57] <DumbleDebbie> as they aren't normal wounds
[18:57] <SoonerGryffindor> there used to be a real good thread in Magical Theory about the nature of werewolf bites, I bet it is still there
[18:57] <stewiegryf> Hasn't Jo described what a "curse" is in her world and isn't it defined as dark magic?
[18:57] <cbm> I agree now, just the name makes seem like it would have to be dark magic
[18:57] <Shan21> Right. Because the bite is like the curse that infects them.
[18:57] <Belenzie> woo I forgot about werewolves
[18:57] <HeidiBug> Well . . . in a maner of speaking it wasn't the killing curse that cause harry to have a scar, it was Lily's scarific for him to cause the killing curse to rebound
[18:57] <Tanaqui> how many cursed scars have we seen? harry's and bill's?
[18:57] <fawkes28> but what if it is a simple hexing spell - and it is not treated properly and causes a scar - that is not dark magic
[18:57] <HeidiBug> so it was good magic that caused the scar
[18:58] <Whisperwing> Oh, that reminds me, though this is probably a little off topic -- if one uses Polyjuice potion to take on the appearance of someone who's a werewolf, will the curse transfer and remain behind even after the potion wears off?
[18:58] <futureweasley> we're going to break them down in a minute, Tanaqui
[18:58] <stewiegryf> But is that scar considerd "cursed" or just a regular scar?
[18:58] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, I think by nature a curse is pretty serious magic of a dark nature. More so than a hex or a jinx.
[18:58] <harryfreak359> Yes, Fawkes, agreed
[18:58] <cbm> Is the map of the London subway on Dumbledore a curse scar?
[18:58] <DumbleDebbie> I think Polyjuice is an illusion WW
[18:58] <Whisperwing> I imagine it's a simple kid fell down and bunged his knee up
[18:59] <Tanaqui> ah, nothing like getting ahead of the teacher!
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[18:59] <futureweasley> lol, I'm good with that
[18:59] <cbm> If it was an illusion, crouch would not be able to where the eye and the leg
[18:59] <DumbleDebbie> adam!!! smile
[18:59] <futureweasley> hi adam
[18:59] <Aislinn> Hi adam
[18:59] <fawkes28> hi adam smile
[18:59] <adamgryff> hi everyone!
[18:59] <MrMcGonagall> I think something along those lines, fawkes, may leave a scar, but not a "cursed" scar.
[18:59] <Whisperwing> Exactly
[18:59] <stewiegryf> he adam!
[18:59] <Shan21> Hi adam
[18:59] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, Adam!
[18:59] <SoonerGryffindor> hey adam
[18:59] <futureweasley> Why won't cursed scars completely heal?
[18:59] <MrMcGonagall> Because they're cursed! Hehe.
[18:59] <Tanaqui> i think a bit of magic is left residually
[18:59] <stewiegryf> Because not-healing is part of the curse.
[18:59] <futureweasley> well, I don't think it's that easy
[19:00] <Aislinn> yes, tanaqui - that's how I view it as well
[19:00] <stewiegryf> I almost typed that exact response, Mr. M
[19:00] <Whisperwing> Because that's a component of the curse, just like Frodo's wound from the Nazgul blade will never fully heal
[19:00] <MrMcGonagall> I think it's sympotomatic of on-going effect.
[19:00] <SoonerGryffindor> I have no ideas
[19:00] <Poet> I think they can heal if you have someone that knows the Dark Arts and can remove the effect - and does so quickly
[19:00] <DumbleDebbie> it's almost like there's some poison left behind
[19:00] <Tanaqui> and especially if it's dark magic, then it wouldn't be able to cleanse itself
[19:00] <futureweasley> I like what you said, Tanaqui...that there's a bit of "residue" left in them...that makes sense to me
[19:00] <HeidiBug> normal scars don't completely heal, so why would cursed ones?
[19:00] <fawkes28> that's a nice way to put it debbie
[19:00] <Shan21> interesting MrM
[19:00] <MrMcGonagall> DD seemed doubtful in PS/SS that the scar could even be healed should one attempt it.
[19:00] <stewiegryf> Ok...study break is over. Bye everyone!
[19:00] <DumbleDebbie> bye stewie
[19:00] * SoonerGryffindor wondering what would happen if you put Neosporin on a curse scar
[19:00] <futureweasley> see you stewie!!
[19:00] <Aislinn> bye stewie
[19:00] <SoonerGryffindor> byue stewie
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[19:00] <MrMcGonagall> Bye, stewie!
[19:00] <adamgryff> bye stewie
[19:00] <DumbleDebbie> LOL Sooner
[19:00] <Aislinn> lol sooner
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[19:01] <futureweasley> lol sooner...
[19:01] <MrMcGonagall> You and your Muggle medicine, Sooner!
[19:01] <SoonerGryffindor> but then I am a pharmacist......
[19:01] <DumbleDebbie> she'll be suggesting some sort of silly pills next ;)
[19:01] <Tanaqui> be back in a bit!
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[19:01] <MrMcGonagall> That reminds me of Arthur's wound, though.
[19:01] <cbm> It would probably work as well as stitches on Mr. Weasley
[19:01] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah
[19:01] <fawkes28> anyway.... smile
[19:01] <SoonerGryffindor> that didnt work so well, did it
[19:01] <Aislinn> did Arthur's wound fully heal?
[19:01] <Aislinn> I thought it had
[19:01] <DumbleDebbie> Mr M got a does of heparin in his wound
[19:01] * HeidiBug wants to see Madam Pomfrey start using Neosporin
[19:02] <SoonerGryffindor> that is an interesting thought
[19:02] <Poet> I think you need someone like Snape to sing over your injury wink
[19:02] <DumbleDebbie> *dose
[19:02] <futureweasley> I think he still has a "mark"
[19:02] <cbm> It healed through magical means
[19:02] <Aislinn> but you would think that it would have been a cursed wound
[19:02] <fawkes28> hehe poet
[19:02] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL Poet
[19:02] <MrMcGonagall> I think so. Maybe there's a scar, though I don't think it's cursed.
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[19:02] <SoonerGryffindor> hmm, so evidentally, Nagini bites are not cursed?
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[19:02] <DumbleDebbie> isn't that what they refer to as 'kill or cure' Poet?
[19:02] <futureweasley> wb NYBookworm
[19:02] <DumbleDebbie> hi NYB
[19:02] <MrMcGonagall> It seems that the venom is something unique and dark, but not incurable.
[19:03] <Belenzie> good thing
[19:03] <harryfreak359> Hi NYBookworm
[19:03] <DumbleDebbie> wb bel
[19:03] <MrMcGonagall> I think only magic can leave proper curse scars.
[19:03] <Aislinn> welcome back NYB
[19:04] <futureweasley> Dumbledore has a scar shaped like a map of the London Underground. How do you think he obtained this scar?
[19:04] <Aislinn> MrMcGonagall: so, do you think werewolf bites are magic?
[19:04] <DumbleDebbie> fighting Grindelwald
[19:04] <Aislinn> me too debbie
[19:04] <adamgryff> from fighting Grindelwald
[19:04] <HeidiBug> some soft of none magically accident
[19:04] <fawkes28> i think so too debbie
[19:04] <futureweasley> I actually think that it's possible the Underground scar was self-inflicted
[19:04] <Poet> His brother used one of those nifty blood pens to put it on him....
[19:04] <DumbleDebbie> eww FW
[19:04] <HeidiBug> self-inflicted?
[19:04] <MrMcGonagall> No, I think werewolf bites are more like a contagion.
[19:04] <Belenzie> eww future
[19:04] <cbm> The london subway is a strange shape for a scar, so I agree fighting Grindelwald
[19:04] <Belenzie> smile
[19:04] <adamgryff> how would that be future
[19:04] <Poet> Like a tattoo
[19:04] <futureweasley> It's not supposed to be gross
[19:05] <Shan21> Ooh! Cool thought about Grindelwald!
[19:05] <Belenzie> I love the fact that he made the connection
[19:05] <NYBookworm> maybe he tripped on somewhere that had an etched version of it and it became ingrained?
[19:05] <cbm> FW, have you seen a map of the london subway?
[19:05] <DumbleDebbie> and I think it might be a map of the wizards' London Underground, not the Muggle one
[19:05] <Poet> Oh interesting
[19:05] <HeidiBug> can't see DD doing that to himself, future
[19:05] <fawkes28> it does make sense future because he may have used it to defeat grindelwald
[19:05] <futureweasley> I just think that he needed help at one point, and I don't think that he wanted to take the time to stop and look at "muggle maps"
[19:05] <Belenzie> ohhh good one Debbie
[19:05] <Poet> It reminds me of a yew tree with roots
[19:05] <SoonerGryffindor> I like that idea as well
[19:05] <Poet> The map of the underground does
[19:05] <Aislinn> that seems a bit extreme, future
[19:05] <Belenzie> yew= signigying death
[19:05] <Belenzie> oops spelling
[19:05] <MrMcGonagall> He does say it's "almost" an exact map. It makes it sound unintentional.
[19:06] <HeidiBug> I thought he was joking
[19:06] <Shan21> Wizards have the floo... I don't think they have a tube system.
[19:06] <DumbleDebbie> wizards London Underground being Gringott's
[19:06] <Aislinn> the wizard's Underground being Gringotts
[19:06] <Aislinn> snap! biggrin
[19:06] <fawkes28> dumbledore does run that fine line between genius and insanity sometimes - i wouldnt put it past him to create that scar
[19:06] <NYBookworm> maybe he was trying a spell when he was younger and it backfired so instead of seeing the map it cut into him?
[19:06] <DumbleDebbie> Aislinn got my meaning ;)
[19:06] <Poet> Yes, I'd wondered if it was a map of London magical underground world or Muggle
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[19:06] <futureweasley> hi raymond
[19:06] <fawkes28> hi raymond
[19:06] <Poet> Hi Raymond
[19:06] <Aislinn> yes - that is exactly what I have thought of that scar, debbie
[19:06] <Raymond> ill
[19:07] <cbm> If he did himself, I think it would of been in a more convient location
[19:07] <DumbleDebbie> it makes no sense to see a map of the Tube as 'useful' there's one on every train
[19:07] <Aislinn> it is much more likely to be wizard related, than Muggle
[19:07] <MrMcGonagall> I think it's one of those bizarre coincidences DD would notice.
[19:07] <Shan21> There are lots of things that Dumbledore passes off as jokes that are important later. Like the room with chamberpots
[19:07] <HeidiBug> I always thought he just had a wierd scar and tried to figure out what it looked like and he chose the London Underground. ;)
[19:07] <Shan21> (room of req)
[19:07] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Heidi.
[19:07] <Raymond> ill
[19:07] <DumbleDebbie> and it's just like Jo to *know* we're all going to immediately picture a Tube map
[19:07] <MrMcGonagall> I just think it's one of those quirky DDisms.
[19:08] <DumbleDebbie> and assume that's waht is meant, she loves to turn our assumptions around on us
[19:08] <fawkes28> very true mr. m
[19:08] <Aislinn> yes she does
[19:08] <Raymond> go away
[19:08] <futureweasley> How might it have been useful to him?
[19:08] <Belenzie> i'll love it if it comes up in book 7...........
[19:08] <Raymond> i already read book 7
[19:08] <cbm> When travelling among the muggles in London
[19:08] <Poet> Raymond you might want to log off and return later if someone is typing on your computer without your consent
[19:08] <MrMcGonagall> Well, we know DD liases with the Muggle world more than other wizards.
[19:08] <harryfreak359> Ummm...traveling in London?
[19:08] <DumbleDebbie> if it's a map of Gringott's maybe he used it to get into a vault, get something to fight Grindelwald, and then get back out again
[19:09] <MrMcGonagall> He doesn't have an aversion to it the way many wizards do.
[19:09] <HeidiBug> Jo's likes to keep us guessing. I can imagine her writing something and then laughing to herself that we're all going to be debating about it later.
[19:09] * DumbleDebbie thinks Raymond might want to lay off the crack
[19:09] <Raymond> I love Lord of the Rings
[19:09] <DumbleDebbie> lol
[19:09] <Whisperwing> Well done
[19:10] <MrMcGonagall> that was bizarre.
[19:10] <DumbleDebbie> yes, bravo clap
[19:10] <Belenzie> dear god this is why I left mugglenet chat.Ray be sensical
[19:10] <DumbleDebbie> and in stereo Poet and FW
[19:10] <HeidiBug> lol
[19:10] <Belenzie> a little late
[19:10] <Belenzie> biggrin
[19:10] <SoonerGryffindor> okay, back to business now
[19:10] * Poet passes around hot cocoa and resumes chatting
[19:10] <futureweasley> How might it have been useful to him?
[19:10] <fawkes28> alright...dumbledore's scar
[19:10] <DumbleDebbie> where were we?
[19:11] <DumbleDebbie> oh yeah, into Gringott's, get weapon, find way out
[19:11] <Aislinn> I do think that it has to do with Gringott's and that he used it as Debbie suggested
[19:11] <Belenzie> a good ice breaker???
[19:11] <Poet> He could have used it to escape from a place ...
[19:11] <MrMcGonagall> I think Dd just finds it oddly useful when he is getting around London in Muggle fashion.
[19:11] <fawkes28> he always seems to be gathering information and searching for things
[19:11] <HeidiBug> I just think he used it as a map to get around
[19:11] <DumbleDebbie> lol Bel
[19:11] <HeidiBug> to go shopping or something
[19:11] <SoonerGryffindor> okay, my question is how is Harry going to use it?
[19:11] <DumbleDebbie> Dumbledore's scar?
[19:11] <futureweasley> I think he was trying to get somewhere
[19:11] <fawkes28> however, DD can apparate, which makes me wonder why he would need it in the first place
[19:11] <Aislinn> I don't think Harry will be able to make use of it
[19:11] <MrMcGonagall> I don't really think he probably ever uses it as a map of the Underground at all. Just noticed an odd similarity.
[19:11] <Whisperwing> Use Dumbledore's scar?
[19:11] <futureweasley> yes, DD's scar
[19:11] <SoonerGryffindor> yes
[19:12] <MrMcGonagall> Ewwww. We are NOT going to exhume DD, Sooner!
[19:12] <Belenzie> it would kind of through people off, or make it easier to change the subject.is thart what he did with Harry??
[19:12] <DumbleDebbie> well he'd need a copy 1st
[19:12] <cbm> I think that the Dumbledore scar is not important and we will never hear about it again
[19:12] <SoonerGryffindor> nononono
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[19:12] <SoonerGryffindor> that's why I was asking
[19:12] <futureweasley> hi anna
[19:12] <DumbleDebbie> hi anna
[19:12] <HeidiBug> DD's dead. They cremated him. How could Harry use it????
[19:12] <Whisperwing> Ah but maybe this is where the portrait will come in handy
[19:12] <AnnaNoe> hi
[19:12] <futureweasley> we are talking about "cursed scars" tonight!
[19:12] <fawkes28> maybe he used it before he was able to apparate when he was a teen
[19:12] <Whisperwing> Hello Anna, how's John feeling?
[19:12] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, cbm
[19:12] <Poet> Hi Anna, we're talking about Dumbledore's scar
[19:12] <SoonerGryffindor> hi Anna
[19:12] <AnnaNoe> hey all
[19:12] <Belenzie> i meant throw people off
[19:12] <AnnaNoe> john is fine
[19:12] <DumbleDebbie> ok how can Harry use DD's scar?
[19:12] <Shan21> Hi Anna!
[19:13] <AnnaNoe> doing better though.
[19:13] <AnnaNoe> dumbledore's scar?
[19:13] <Whisperwing> No need to pull the old man out of the crypt, his portrait can simply flash his knee for Harry to look at.
[19:13] <SoonerGryffindor> yes
[19:13] <futureweasley> I think Dumbledore likely found his scar useful...be it intentionally or accidentally acquired
[19:13] <Aislinn> yes, anna, we're talking about Dumbledore's scar
[19:13] <MrMcGonagall> Maybe Aberforth has a picture of DD in Bermuda on holiday wearing shorts, just as Harry once imagined.
[19:13] <HeidiBug> lol
[19:13] <futureweasley> lol MrMcG
[19:13] <adamgryff> that would be to funny Mr. M
[19:13] <HeidiBug> nice smile
[19:13] <DumbleDebbie> well, he'll need a map to get to Helga's goblet hidden in Gringotts wink
[19:13] <Whisperwing> Oh no, Harry pictured him in Bermuda in his full robes
[19:14] <MrMcGonagall> True, ww.
[19:14] <Aislinn> exactly, debbie!
[19:14] <HeidiBug> with sunscreen!
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[19:14] <DumbleDebbie> hi narya
[19:14] <futureweasley> how is that going to be useful to Harry going forward?
[19:14] <fawkes28> hi narya
[19:14] <futureweasley> hi Narya
[19:14] <Aislinn> hey Narya biggrin
[19:14] <HeidiBug> I don't think he'll use it
[19:14] <Narya> Hi all
[19:14] <DumbleDebbie> to retrieve Helga's goblet, which is a horcrux
[19:14] <Aislinn> we're just talking about the usefulness of Dumbledore's scar over his knee
[19:14] <Narya> thanks Aislinn
[19:15] <Whisperwing> I wonder if the scar on his knee wasn't a burn of some kind...
[19:15] <DumbleDebbie> from somewhere in Gringott's
[19:15] <HeidiBug> that would make more sense
[19:15] <HeidiBug> a burn
[19:15] <DumbleDebbie> burn scars don't generally make defined lines
[19:15] <AnnaNoe> wait his scar is really a map?
[19:15] <Whisperwing> Ever seen Freddy Kruger's face?
[19:15] <Shan21> hey narya
[19:16] <Whisperwing> Of the London Underground
[19:16] <futureweasley> Moody has many scars on his face. Do you think he obtained any of these scars when he was a child? How?
[19:16] <DumbleDebbie> I have no idea
[19:16] <Whisperwing> Stuck his wand behind his ear just like Luna
[19:16] <Belenzie> maybe from shrapnel, while fighting Grindelwald on a WW@ battleground....dun dun dun .lol
[19:16] <cbm> for those who would want a map of the london underground: http://preview.tinyurl.com/ttfqy
[19:16] <MrMcGonagall> No, I think they are mostly battle scars from his auror days.
[19:16] <adamgryff> I really don't have any idea
[19:16] <futureweasley> actually, I think he obtained them all as an Auror
[19:16] <Aislinn> I think that his scars are all from attacks during his years as an auror
[19:16] <Narya> I think Moody's scars come from his battles with the DEs
[19:16] <harryfreak359> Maybe, by fighting with other kids maybe? Or accidendents.
[19:16] <HeidiBug> I think they all came from his auror career
[19:16] <DumbleDebbie> they do seem to be marks of his profession
[19:16] <SoonerGryffindor> I think its all from auror action as well
[19:16] <harryfreak359> But I pretty much agre Future
[19:16] <futureweasley> right Debbie
[19:16] <MrMcGonagall> Maybe he did lose a buttock as a child.
[19:16] <AnnaNoe> i think it might have to do with his fake eye
[19:16] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL
[19:16] <Poet> I personally think all of them were obtained while trying to catch Dark Wizards. He liked to bring them in alive rather than using the AK
[19:16] <harryfreak359> LOL
[19:17] <Aislinn> lol Mr M
[19:17] <fawkes28> lol mr. m
[19:17] <DumbleDebbie> lol Mr M, leave it to you to say it
[19:17] <Whisperwing> I think it's the blown off buttocks he's so worried about
[19:17] <futureweasley> oh MrM...I think he would have told Tonks if it were him
[19:17] <Belenzie> maybe he got it as a child
[19:17] <Aislinn> yes, Poet, exactly - he put himself at more risk by trying not to kill
[19:17] <MrMcGonagall> Well, he does seem to know an awful lot about the dangers of it!
[19:17] <Shan21> computer's acting up. Gotta go for now smile
[19:17] <SoonerGryffindor> bye shan
[19:17] <DumbleDebbie> Mrs. Moody said Alastor you're going to put someones eye out...
[19:17] <Aislinn> bye shan
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[19:17] <Whisperwing> And it was his own?
[19:17] <Poet> During Voldemort war 1, they'd been given permission to use the AK (as Aurors), but I think Dumbledore or Mr. Weasley said he didn't like to use it.
[19:17] <futureweasley> I think Moody might be proud of losing a buttock to magic
[19:18] <SoonerGryffindor> okay, besides his buttocks, what do you guys think about the rest of Moody's scars?
[19:18] <Whisperwing> oh gee, VWI?
[19:18] <DumbleDebbie> lol, battlescars Sooner
[19:18] <Belenzie> i just realize we were talking about Alastor
[19:18] <DumbleDebbie> like the chunk missing from his nose
[19:18] <HeidiBug> what happened to Moody's leg?
[19:18] <Belenzie> lol
[19:18] <Whisperwing> We know the nose was taken by one of the dead DE's Karkarov was trying to turn in
[19:18] <HeidiBug> Did his leg get cursed off?
[19:18] <Poet> I wonder if an animal got to him for one of those wounds - perhaps a dragon got his leg?
[19:18] <Aislinn> yes, we heard that in the trial Harry saw in teh Pensieve
[19:19] <DumbleDebbie> true WW
[19:19] <SoonerGryffindor> What I would also like to know is why he has a fake eye and no leg
[19:19] <Narya> I think it's interesting that his face is scarred, and did he have his leg amputated in hospital, maybe?
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[19:19] <MrMcGonagall> I wonder if Moody's leg was affected by some sort of curse similar to the one that wounded DD's arm. The healers had to amputate.
[19:19] <futureweasley> I think the scars on his face are grotesque, and I think that only some of the most foul dark magic could have caused them
[19:19] <HeidiBug> good idea, Mr. m
[19:19] <SoonerGryffindor> if madame Pomfrey can regrow Harry's arm, why not a leg?
[19:19] <Aislinn> ooh, that's an interesting thought Mr M
[19:19] <Whisperwing> The claw leg he had might have magical properties too
[19:19] <MrMcGonagall> She only regrew the bones.
[19:19] <DumbleDebbie> but the arm was there, just no the bones
[19:19] <SoonerGryffindor> that is interesting Mr M
[19:19] <HeidiBug> she didn't regrow his arm
[19:19] <Aislinn> the arm was still there, sooner, just without bones
[19:19] <AnnaNoe> maybe thats why he has a peg leg. bcuz he blew off his bottocks and now he needs the peg to keep him balanced! thats my big idea. jus a thought
[19:19] <Narya> Maybe it was too far gone, Sooner .. the curse was too strong, or the leg couldn't be regrown
[19:19] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, but that was still impressive!
[19:19] <DumbleDebbie> yes, very impressive
[19:19] <MrMcGonagall> I love it Anna!
[19:19] <Poet> Hilarous thought.
[19:20] <Aislinn> if something ate his leg, it may not be able to be regrown
[19:20] * Whisperwing giggles
[19:20] <adamgryff> true Aislinn
[19:20] <Narya> I think Moody's leg might have got blown off by a curse, actually - a pretty strong one
[19:20] <SoonerGryffindor> that;s a really Ewww thought Aislinn, but you are probably right
[19:20] <MrMcGonagall> He had a run-in with a De's krup.
[19:20] <DumbleDebbie> but from a development standpoint having the arm as a staffolding gave the bones some guide. starting from nothing would be much more complex (like embryonic development of an entire limb all over again)
[19:20] <HeidiBug> Tonks: "Who do you know who's lost a Buttock?" Moody: "Never you mind!" Makes you wonder if it really was him.
[19:20] <Whisperwing> Right, and because of the curse, any attempt to magically regrow his leg would only produce another withered limb
[19:21] <Poet> Yes, I think so too.
[19:21] <futureweasley> We know that Umbridge’s cursed quill caused scars to both Harry and Lee. Do you think she used the quill with any other students?
[19:21] <SoonerGryffindor> yes
[19:21] <DumbleDebbie> likely
[19:21] <adamgryff> yes
[19:21] <Narya> I don't think so
[19:21] <Aislinn> she probably did
[19:21] <fawkes28> i wouldnt put it past her
[19:21] <AnnaNoe> yeaaah
[19:21] <DumbleDebbie> she seemed to enojy it
[19:21] <SoonerGryffindor> why not Narya?
[19:21] <Poet> I have to image that she did. I was surprise when I heard about Lee and immediately thought there must be others
[19:21] <cbm> definately
[19:21] <Whisperwing> Because we know they can regrow whole fingers, what with the Muggles whose fingers had been bitten off by cursed doorknobs
[19:21] <Aislinn> we just didn't see them, as they weren't in Harry's sphere
[19:21] <MrMcGonagall> I'm not sure. Most seemed to buckle under her pressure. Trust the Gryffindors to rebel.
[19:21] <Narya> well, we don't hear about it for a start
[19:21] <futureweasley> I wouldn't put that past her..she's just foul, too
[19:21] <fawkes28> we only see things from harry's perspective
[19:21] <Whisperwing> Probably some hapless Hufflepuff who wouldn't complain for the life of him or her
[19:22] <SoonerGryffindor> but that is because Harry is in his own world most of the time
[19:22] <HeidiBug> I have no doubt she used it everyone she put in detention
[19:22] <Aislinn> I think that anyone that defied her got that treatment, if she could catch them
[19:22] <fawkes28> students always come out with some smark aleck comment every now and then - i doubt she would let it go
[19:22] <cbm> I think she would fit right in with the DEs and she enjoyed it, why wouldn't she do it to others
[19:22] <Narya> JKR is quite clear about Umbridge being mean - I think if she had used that quill on anyone else, we'd have read about it
[19:22] <futureweasley> I think Umbridge really did think that she was using an effective method of "teaching" when she busted out that hidious quill
[19:22] <harryfreak359> Hehehe, I agree with that Mr.M
[19:22] <HeidiBug> she's a controll freak
[19:22] <MrMcGonagall> I don't students from the other houses being quite as defiant as Gryffs would tend to be.
[19:22] <NYBookworm> probably anyone who questioned her authority
[19:22] <SoonerGryffindor> at first I thought that maybe it was something for Harry only, but after seeing that Lee got it as well, I think that was her SOP for all of her detentions
[19:22] <harryfreak359> yes, control freak, definitely
[19:22] <Aislinn> that's probably true Mr M
[19:22] <futureweasley> right, MrM
[19:22] <DumbleDebbie> yep, me too sooner
[19:22] <harryfreak359> Yup, Mr.M
[19:23] <Narya> Who else got detention, apart from Harry and Lee?
[19:23] <fawkes28> it shows that she is definitely afraid of losing power and control
[19:23] <SoonerGryffindor> I bet loads of people did
[19:23] <SoonerGryffindor> I know I would have
[19:23] <Narya> I don't, but that's just me
[19:23] <DumbleDebbie> LOL
[19:23] <fawkes28> not much self-confidence she has if she is doing that to other people
[19:23] <HeidiBug> lol
[19:23] <HeidiBug> me too
[19:23] <harryfreak359> I would have too Sooner
[19:23] <futureweasley> the difference between Gryffs and Slytherins is that Slytherins are, by nature, sly about their snarkiness. Gryffs don't seem to have it in them to "hide" their distaste for something
[19:23] <Aislinn> we're not going to hear about every detention ever given to all of the students in Hogwarts - -just the ones that Harry is aware of
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[19:23] <Narya> Harry stood up to her, so did Lee to a certain extent - that's why they got detention
[19:23] <AnnaNoe> Dumbridge..
[19:23] <Aislinn> right, Narya
[19:23] <Narya> the rest of the students didn't really cross her
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[19:24] <DumbleDebbie> wb bel & tanaqui
[19:24] <futureweasley> I think we would have only heard about that quill being used from the Gryffindors, as it's likely they are the only ones it was used on
[19:24] <HeidiBug> anyone who questions he authority gets the quill
[19:24] <SoonerGryffindor> but all of the students disliked her. I bet some others pushed the limits as well
[19:24] <fawkes28> but we are restrictive in our perspective
[19:24] <Aislinn> everyone did, with the skiving snackboxes, after the twins left
[19:24] <cbm> I am sure they are not the only 2 students to cross, so I think more may have used the quill
[19:24] <Aislinn> kids left her classes in droves
[19:24] <Narya> Pushing the limits, maybe, but still no detention
[19:24] <HeidiBug> she didn't give the skiving snackbox people detentions, though
[19:24] <Belenzie> i wondr if that was ever a common punishment before
[19:25] <Narya> She wanted to make an example of Harry because she hated him from the start
[19:25] <MrMcGonagall> Honestly, I think Umbridge had it in for Gryffindors, if for no other reason than that they were part of Harry's house. And they are the most likely to defy her in class, pushing the envelope.
[19:25] * SoonerGryffindor knows of a certain meerkat loving member who probably would have received detention with Deloris along with her
[19:25] <DumbleDebbie> Filch would love it
[19:25] <Aislinn> because she couldn't prove anything, but there was mention of people vying to take over the twin's roles after they left
[19:25] <Narya> Lee just happened to get in the way with those Nifflers, so she got it too
[19:25] <Aislinn> so someone was defying her
[19:25] <Narya> I'm sure I would biggrin
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[19:25] <HeidiBug> wasn't an old punishment to hang students from their toes in the dungeon? Or was Filch joking?
[19:25] <fawkes28> if someone outrightly defies her, she won't take it sitting down
[19:25] <Narya> I think Filch wishes it was true, but it's probably not
[19:25] <SoonerGryffindor> part of me thinks he might not have been Heidi *shudder*
[19:25] <DumbleDebbie> hi triune
[19:25] <fawkes28> hi triune
[19:25] <Aislinn> exactly fawkes
[19:26] <SoonerGryffindor> hi triune
[19:26] <MrMcGonagall> She must have been handing out detentions right and left when the wackiness ensued.
[19:26] <Belenzie> but it started everything else in motion.that first step was the beginning of a stampede
[19:26] <DumbleDebbie> maybe when Phineas was headmaster
[19:26] <MrMcGonagall> She only has the one quill!
[19:26] <fawkes28> she seems to follow Hammurabi's Code - an eye for an eye
[19:26] <DumbleDebbie> ouch
[19:26] <harryfreak359> Heh, well Mr.M it did say she put a whole class in detention a few times, but then gave up
[19:26] <HeidiBug> Moody!
[19:26] <Belenzie> but then both end up blind
[19:26] <AnnaNoe> hey i jus studied that!
[19:26] <fawkes28> and then people fall into line with her
[19:26] <fawkes28> i just taught it wink
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[19:27] <Whisperwing> Art History?
[19:27] <AnnaNoe> ha sweet!
[19:27] <AnnaNoe> i have a test on it 2morrroww
[19:27] <fawkes28> world history
[19:27] <Belenzie> ancient history
[19:27] <MrMcGonagall> World history.
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[19:27] <DumbleDebbie> wb FW
[19:27] <fawkes28> wb, fw
[19:27] <HeidiBug> an eye for an eye makes me wonder if Moody ever met with her
[19:27] <harryfreak359> wb Future
[19:27] <MrMcGonagall> wb, fw, we missed you! Hehe.
[19:27] <Whisperwing> ooh
[19:27] <harryfreak359> lol
[19:27] <DumbleDebbie> lol
[19:27] <Belenzie> some of those rules were skroked
[19:27] <fawkes28> she wanted people to fear her
[19:27] <futureweasley> Unlike Harry’s physical scar, Neville has emotional scars because of Voldemort’s reign of terror. What do you think are some of Neville’s emotional scars?
[19:28] <harryfreak359> Yes, that was a big part of it Fawkes
[19:28] <DumbleDebbie> they run very deep, poor kid
[19:28] <Whisperwing> Abandonment issues surely
[19:28] <MrMcGonagall> The knowledge of what happened to his parents.
[19:28] <HeidiBug> his parents not recongizing him
[19:28] <SoonerGryffindor> his ineptitude
[19:28] <Narya> The loss of his parents - still alive, but dead to him because they don't recognise him
[19:28] <fawkes28> self-confidence
[19:28] <Belenzie> but they didn't abandon him
[19:28] <adamgryff> knowlege of his parents demise
[19:28] <Tanaqui> his confidence was shot...as were his relatives'
[19:28] <Aislinn> I think that living with what happened to his parents has been devastating for him
[19:28] <HeidiBug> that would kill me if my parents didn't know who I was
[19:28] <fawkes28> yes, aislinn, and reliving it all of the time by seeing his parents
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[19:28] <Aislinn> and also being raised by a woman who seems pretty conditional in the way that she gives her love
[19:29] <Belenzie> does visiting his parents help heal those scars, or does it help them linger do you think????
[19:29] <MrMcGonagall> Very true, Aislinn.
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[19:29] <Tanaqui> well, his grandmother is dealing with her loss differently than neville
[19:29] <Whisperwing> For all that he's ever hear dabout how great a wizard his dad used to be, he's only ever seen his dad the way he is now, in the mental ward at St Mungoe's, so how's he to get any real idea that there's talent to inherit?
[19:29] <harryfreak359> Agreed Aislinn
[19:29] <HeidiBug> yeah, his grandma loves him too much
[19:29] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that the fact that he was so horrible at magic when he was younger shows that he had maybe "a block" when it came to it. That is an emotional scar
[19:29] <DumbleDebbie> and I think he witnessed teh torture of his parents (either heard it or saw it or both)
[19:29] <futureweasley> the sweet wrappers...they are such a symbol of what his relationship with his parents is in reality, and what it could have been
[19:29] <DumbleDebbie> hi cbm
[19:29] <fawkes28> and certain people at school continue to open his emotional scars
[19:29] <Tanaqui> she most likely feels she needs to be strong for him, which isn't what he necessarily needed
[19:29] <MrMcGonagall> Always having to live up to his father's example . . . a father he never knew. *sniff*
[19:29] <Narya> I think that's it, Tanaqui
[19:29] <Belenzie> does visiting his parents help heal those scars, or does it help them linger do you think????
[19:29] <futureweasley> aww, MrMcG
[19:29] <Aislinn> I think that she is not supportive enough of who he is, and is trying to make him into a replica of his father
[19:30] <DumbleDebbie> I think it keeps the wounds open Bel
[19:30] <DumbleDebbie> and unhealed
[19:30] <SoonerGryffindor> visitng his parents keeps those scars from healing I think
[19:30] <Whisperwing> And maybe his entire lack ofdetectable magical ability was a self defense mechanism to protect him from what, as a tiny child, he inadvertently witnessed happen to his parents through the use of magic
[19:30] <Tanaqui> good question bel--i think now he's got a sense of purpose, but for years it just hurt more
[19:30] <Poet> Neville seemed more affected than others by the crucio curse in Moody's class in Book 4. I'm sure it opened up a very sensitive wound
[19:30] <Narya> I think she's misplacing her pride, and Neville can't live up to his father's standards just yet
[19:30] <SoonerGryffindor> that was exactly the point I was making WW
[19:30] <AnnaNoe> alrite i gotta go study for exams! byee all. have fun
[19:30] <Aislinn> right
[19:30] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, in some ways the tragedy is worse for Neville, because he has to live day by day with the reality of what has happened to his parents. It's right there in his face.
[19:30] <fawkes28> bye anna
[19:30] <Aislinn> bye anna
[19:30] <futureweasley> right Fawkes, like the time that Malfoy made that comment about how St. Mungo's has a ward for people who's minds have been idled my magic
[19:30] <SoonerGryffindor> he was scared of magic because of what it did to his parents
[19:30] <SoonerGryffindor> bye Anna
[19:30] <HeidiBug> I really don't think those hospital visits help
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[19:30] <DumbleDebbie> yes Mr M
[19:30] <cbm> I think his grandmother keeps the scars from healing
[19:31] <Belenzie> maybe she never praise frank enough and now this is her chance to do so by bringing neville up to his level
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[19:31] <DumbleDebbie> wb Pleshette
[19:31] <MrMcGonagall> Every time he visits his parents, the wound reopens.
[19:31] <fawkes28> wb, pleshette
[19:31] <Pleshette> smile thanks
[19:31] <DumbleDebbie> yes Mr M
[19:31] <DumbleDebbie> wb Sooner
[19:31] <fawkes28> i feel that neville truly has had closure
[19:31] <futureweasley> yes, MrM...it's so hard to watch Neville go through that
[19:31] <SoonerGryffindor> had to reconect
[19:31] <Poet> Later in Book 5 as Neville fights the Death Eaters, being reminded of the Crucio Curse instead makes Neville more determined to win - he's grown stronger through his trial.
[19:31] <harryfreak359> wb Sooner
[19:31] <DumbleDebbie> yes it is FW sad
[19:31] <HeidiBug> I agree Poet
[19:31] <adamgryff> yes poet he has
[19:31] <Narya> I think the hospital visits do help Neville in a way ... because they give him the chance to be strong and he's definitely grown more as the books have progressed
[19:32] <futureweasley> and to hear his Gran put Neville through his paces about him not being as great as his parents
[19:32] <DumbleDebbie> Neville is amazing how strong he's been
[19:32] <harryfreak359> Yes, I agree Narya
[19:32] <Aislinn> he has grown a tremendous amount, yes, narya
[19:32] <HeidiBug> I wonder where he stashes all those candy wrappers. I'm sure he keeps them.
[19:32] <MrMcGonagall> I think it helped when his friends came to know the truth. It was no longer something Neville felt he had to hide.
[19:32] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that Bella getting out gave Neville a focus and is helping him get through it. He has a purpose and an enemy to fight
[19:32] <harryfreak359> I think that his grandmother being the way she has been as made him stronger too
[19:32] <adamgryff> every trial Neville goes through makes him stronger
[19:32] <futureweasley> How have Neville’s emotional scars impacted his life?
[19:32] <Pleshette> I agree Mr.McG
[19:32] <SoonerGryffindor> most definitely
[19:32] <cbm> Neville got stronger through praise
[19:32] <Pleshette> good point Sooner
[19:32] <fawkes28> i think anyone visiting their parents like that have to have some hope deep deep down that everything will be ok one day - that is difficult to live with
[19:32] <MrMcGonagall> They hindered him in his youth, but they've made him stronger and more determined in the end.
[19:32] <Narya> I think Neville's confidence took a battering, but he's growing into his own person now, which is good
[19:33] <DumbleDebbie> they stunted his magical ability I think
[19:33] <Tanaqui> neville's not been able to find what he's good at, thanks to his scars
[19:33] <Tanaqui> not until most recently
[19:33] <Aislinn> I think it has slowed his development and sapped his confidence, but that he is now growing into himself, and overcoming them
[19:33] <HeidiBug> It stunted his confidence
[19:33] <SoonerGryffindor> but now his need to avenge the situation (not saying that he will) is giving him that extra boost
[19:33] <MrMcGonagall> He has a real reason to fight.
[19:33] <HeidiBug> it's helped and hindered
[19:33] <futureweasley> in the beginning, he felt so inadequate...as he's grown up, he's had such a growth in self-worth and is no longer questioning his ability as an above average wizard
[19:33] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, it's definitely gotten him focussed to improve
[19:33] <Pleshette> and he has friends that he feels he can rely on backing him
[19:33] <SoonerGryffindor> and a real enemy to go after
[19:34] <Whisperwing> Discovering his true strength, he must have always had the innate ability to be great
[19:34] <MrMcGonagall> The scars bring our the Gryffindor in him.
[19:34] <SoonerGryffindor> the sorting hat was so right about him
[19:34] <Pleshette> so true
[19:34] <fawkes28> it was sooner
[19:34] <DumbleDebbie> true Sooner
[19:34] <Belenzie> it's his strength..when it finally show come a lot faster and stronger then it would have'
[19:34] <HeidiBug> true
[19:34] <Aislinn> his determination in the DA training really showed his Gryffindor side
[19:34] <harryfreak359> True Sooner
[19:34] <harryfreak359> It definitely gave him somthing to go after
[19:34] <DumbleDebbie> and his taking on both Crabbe and Goyle LOL
[19:34] <Pleshette> And again, I think Voldie's side will underestimate his abilities
[19:34] <harryfreak359> lol
[19:34] <Pleshette> giving him the upper hand
[19:34] <fawkes28> that is a good point, hf
[19:35] <MrMcGonagall> Neville has learned patience and perseverance from his scars.
[19:35] <SoonerGryffindor> just like with Harry
[19:35] <HeidiBug> I really think Neville will play a role in book 7
[19:35] <SoonerGryffindor> they were both marked by LV
[19:35] <futureweasley> I do too, Heidi
[19:35] <DumbleDebbie> he and Harry are in some ways mirror iamges of each other
[19:35] <SoonerGryffindor> they really are Debbie
[19:35] <DumbleDebbie> *images
[19:35] <HeidiBug> I agree Debbie
[19:35] <futureweasley> it's amazing how similar they really are, Debbie...you're right
[19:35] <Narya> Marked by LV emotionally, whereas Harry is marked emotionally and physically - it's a neat comparison
[19:35] <adamgryff> he has always been told how good he could be and now he has found the strength within to be that person
[19:35] <Pleshette> I love how Harry honors Neville's secret when DD asks him too
[19:36] <DumbleDebbie> true Adam
[19:36] <Aislinn> me too, pleshette
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[19:36] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, that's great Plesh
[19:36] <futureweasley> Hi AA!
[19:36] <harryfreak359> Me too pleshette
[19:36] <DumbleDebbie> hi AA
[19:36] <Poet> Interesting enough, everyone knows Harry's story, but few know Neville's - and Neville has not outward marking or scar
[19:36] <fawkes28> hi AL
[19:36] <Aislinn> hi AL
[19:36] <harryfreak359> Hi AL
[19:36] <SoonerGryffindor> hey alchemist
[19:36] <Pleshette> Hi AA
[19:36] <HeidiBug> ture poet
[19:36] <AlchemistApprentice> hi all !!!
[19:36] <HeidiBug> ak! spelling!
[19:36] <Pleshette> That's true Poet
[19:37] <futureweasley> Ron has "deep welts" around his forearms where the brain tentacles had wrapped around him.” Do you consider these welts to be cursed scars?
[19:37] <harryfreak359> True, Poet
[19:37] <Aislinn> and Harry recognized that too, poet
[19:37] <harryfreak359> Ummm...no not really.
[19:37] <HeidiBug> I don't
[19:37] <DumbleDebbie> hmmm, don' tknow
[19:37] <MrMcGonagall> No, not cursed.
[19:37] <SoonerGryffindor> I've never thought of it like that before
[19:37] <DumbleDebbie> did they heal?
[19:37] <Pleshette> Still not sure
[19:37] <AlchemistApprentice> nah not a cursed scar for me- Ron's that is
[19:37] <cbm> no
[19:37] <SoonerGryffindor> they did not heal
[19:37] <Tanaqui> no...but we don't know enough about those brains
[19:37] <adamgryff> I don't think so
[19:37] <futureweasley> well, they still smart from time to time
[19:37] <Narya> They're emotional scars, so it's not quite the same thing
[19:37] <SoonerGryffindor> but I dont think that means they are necessariy cursed
[19:37] <AlchemistApprentice> yes narya
[19:37] <Poet> No, but they are deep scars. I like that term - emotional.
[19:37] <Aislinn> they are lasting scars
[19:37] <futureweasley> I think there's that "magic residue" that Tanaqui mentioned earlier
[19:37] <DumbleDebbie> maybe those are more like a werewolf bite?
[19:37] <Narya> Lasting too, yes
[19:37] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree future
[19:37] <harryfreak359> mmhmm, I'd agree with that Poet
[19:38] <Pleshette> I suppose it depends on whose brains they are ;)
[19:38] <Narya> which is dangerous
[19:38] <Belenzie> i think ther is still time to tell, but so far they seem to be only a bragging point on hermiones behalf.....lol
[19:38] <MrMcGonagall> They didn't really seem to have any effect on Ron's behavior in Book 6, though.
[19:38] <AlchemistApprentice> but werwolve bites to me would be more like a cursed scar than the tentacles
[19:38] <Pleshette> no, they didn't
[19:38] <SoonerGryffindor> not that we know of anyway
[19:38] <Aislinn> yes, AL, I think so too
[19:38] <futureweasley> we will see if there is any benefit or disadvantage going forward, I guess
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[19:38] <DumbleDebbie> hi ravendor
[19:38] <SoonerGryffindor> hi ravendor
[19:38] <harryfreak359> Agree AL
[19:38] <harryfreak359> hi Ravendor
[19:38] <Pleshette> hi ravendor
[19:38] <futureweasley> ravendor, welcome
[19:38] <Ravendor> hey, everyone smile
[19:38] <Poet> The scars mark Ron as a type of equal to Harry. They both have wounds from their interactions with fighting evil.
[19:39] <SoonerGryffindor> I like that Poet, and Ron pointed that out to Hermione also
[19:39] <MrMcGonagall> I think it was just an opportunity for Jo to introduce the idea that it can be thoughts, and not just things, that wound.
[19:39] <DumbleDebbie> that was a great way to show that concept Mr M
[19:39] <SoonerGryffindor> I like that concept Mr M
[19:39] <Poet> I agree MrMcGonagall
[19:39] <futureweasley> Madame Pomfrey said that thoughts can leave deeper scarring than almost anything else. Do you think that Ron has any lasting affects from the brain?
[19:39] <AlchemistApprentice> I mean we will still have to see what happens to Bill with his not turned werwolf bites???- hmm yeah but Harry's wounds are deeper in meaning than Ron;
[19:40] <MrMcGonagall> There don't seem to be any unusual effects.
[19:40] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont think so
[19:40] <Tanaqui> i really think we need to know who those brains belonged to before we can figure that out...how long was he wrapped in tentacles?
[19:40] <DumbleDebbie> I wonder... maybe there are but they will only resurface in ceratin situations?
[19:40] <SoonerGryffindor> but it might be too early to tell yet
[19:40] <harryfreak359> Ummm...I am really not sure. I haven't seen any emotional effects of them yet
[19:40] <fawkes28> i think he does have some - but we have not seen them yet
[19:40] <Narya> I think that Ron has suffered from the scars, but it won't become apparent till book seven
[19:40] <Ravendor> I've never thought about it much, but I doubt it
[19:40] <cbm> not that we have seen
[19:40] <adamgryff> I don't know it doesn't seem to affect hime now, maybe later
[19:40] <MrMcGonagall> Maybe Ron has a new boggart.
[19:40] <Tanaqui> perhaps the longer you're entangled, the more lingering effects you have
[19:40] <Belenzie> i always took that as an unintentional pun.i laughed when i read that
[19:40] <Aislinn> I think what you mentioned before, Mr M, about thoughts being as scarring as physical damage, is very related to this
[19:41] <futureweasley> that's an interesting thought, MrMcG
[19:41] <DumbleDebbie> maybe it implanted some bad memories in Rons subconscious or something
[19:41] <HeidiBug> Maybe it has something to with Ron's thoughts towards Harry in GOF?
[19:41] <SoonerGryffindor> it would be cool if he did have some ideas from the thoughts from whosever brain that was, but I bet that doesnt happen
[19:41] <fawkes28> we dont always know everything that goes on with ron and maybe ron isn't even aware of any yet
[19:41] <AlchemistApprentice> harry's scars are battles with evil but then again with himself - Ron's to me are part of his life and are not cursed
[19:41] <Aislinn> I think he has too, narya
[19:41] <MrMcGonagall> A lot of it comes down to what thoughts were in those brains that latched on to Ron.
[19:41] <DumbleDebbie> I think the wording was very intentional Bel
[19:41] <AlchemistApprentice> ooh good fawkes
[19:41] <Narya> The thing that worries me about those brains is that they went for Ron, and no one else
[19:41] * SoonerGryffindor now wonders whose brain that was
[19:41] <fawkes28> i wonder what the point of Jo showing us what happened if nothing more is going to come from it
[19:41] <Narya> I wonder why JKR wrote it that way
[19:41] <Aislinn> yes, that would make a big difference, potentially - depending on what the thoughts were
[19:41] <MrMcGonagall> Well, Ron accioed them to him.
[19:42] <futureweasley> I think that all sorts of things have changed for the trio in general since the beginning...the Mirror of Erised, their boggarts...it will be interesting to see how that all plays out. However, I don't think the brain has anything to do with Ron's "newfangled" boggart
[19:42] <Narya> I know, Mr McG, but still ...
[19:42] <fawkes28> she doesn't write about certain things and then just drop them
[19:42] <futureweasley> no, fawkes, she doesn't
[19:42] <DumbleDebbie> maybe they were studying the criminal mind?
[19:42] <Ravendor> true, fawkes
[19:42] <SoonerGryffindor> it is bizarre now that I think about it
[19:42] <Narya> Ron's curiosity could be his undoing
[19:42] <MrMcGonagall> Do you mean, why did the brains attack him, Narya?
[19:42] <DumbleDebbie> what if it was Grindelwald's brain? shocking
[19:42] <Narya> I mean, why they went for him, yes
[19:42] <AlchemistApprentice> which room was the brain in and what was the connection?? sorry don't have my book in front of me?
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[19:42] <Narya> and only him
[19:43] <futureweasley> and that brain totally rendered Ron useless...so I think it's significant
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[19:43] <Poet> We know that the Department of Mysteries was a place of study (for instance they didn't put to death people in the Death Room). I wonder if they return to the DoM if Ron will have knowledge of that room or other mysteries
[19:43] <SoonerGryffindor> that is a freaky thought Debbe
[19:43] <Narya> yes, future, so do I
[19:43] <SoonerGryffindor> I can see that actually
[19:43] <DumbleDebbie> they were in their own room AA
[19:43] <Pleshette> Hi NYBookworm
[19:43] <Ravendor> interesting thought, Debbie
[19:43] <futureweasley> wb NYBookworm
[19:43] <AlchemistApprentice> wait the brain was in the death room?? hmmmmm
[19:43] <adamgryff> gtg back to work. Nice chat!
[19:43] <HeidiBug> Some people have kind of wanted Ron to go to the "dark side" and for Harry to have to make a choice with that. Maybe the brains did something that could cause that conflict
[19:44] <DumbleDebbie> nope the brain was in the brain room
[19:44] <Pleshette> Bye adam!
[19:44] <DumbleDebbie> by adam
[19:44] <DumbleDebbie> hug
[19:44] <AlchemistApprentice> bye adam!
[19:44] <Ravendor> bye, adam
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[19:44] <fawkes28> bye adam!
[19:44] <futureweasley> Does Ron have any internal scars from the Brain?
[19:44] <Aislinn> we don't know yet
[19:44] <fawkes28> yes
[19:44] <DumbleDebbie> possibly, don't know yet
[19:44] <Tanaqui> mmm....only if he's having nightmares
[19:44] <Aislinn> but he still has external scars
[19:44] <Ravendor> I'm really not sure
[19:44] <Narya> I don't think they're internal, but I do think the emotional scarring will show itself in book seven
[19:44] <MrMcGonagall> Honestly, I will feel a little cheated if Ron suddenly starts manifesting latent traits from his exposure to the brains.
[19:44] <HeidiBug> Maybe the brain put some "thoughts" into him
[19:45] <futureweasley> I think he is affected by the memory of what it did to him in the heat of battle
[19:45] <cbm> he did not seem different in hbp, so I do not think so
[19:45] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, cbm.
[19:45] <Pleshette> that could be it future
[19:45] <AlchemistApprentice> well wasn't that Ron's first true battle?
[19:45] <Poet> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/index.php?showforum=184. Don't forget to vote in the latest poll for the next WWW chat here: http://www.leakylounge.com/index.php?showtopic=36676
[19:45] <DumbleDebbie> like stage fright FW?
[19:45] <futureweasley> yes, something similar to that
[19:45] <DumbleDebbie> Ron's in a fight and he goes all silly when Harry needs his help?
[19:45] <Pleshette> Something he will have to overcome maybe
[19:45] <fawkes28> but sometimes symptoms manifest themselves much later one
[19:45] <fawkes28> *on
[19:45] <MrMcGonagall> Perhaps it's irony that Ron, the least intellectual of the trio, was overcome by brain power.
[19:46] <Pleshette> hahaha
[19:46] <futureweasley> it would be like a boggart...something that might insite panic
[19:46] <SoonerGryffindor> awww... Ron is plenty smart
[19:46] <DumbleDebbie> aww Mr M, poor Ron
[19:46] <Whisperwing> The external scars Ron sports are an allegory for the mental scars ordinary people retain from emotional and mental injury
[19:46] <DumbleDebbie> Ron's the best strategist
[19:46] <HeidiBug> lol, which could be a call back to hermione
[19:46] <DumbleDebbie> that takes a lot of brain power
[19:46] <AlchemistApprentice> or something as "unfrightening" as a brain- I mean LV is sure scarier looking
[19:46] <Narya> I think ... very randomly .. that the emotional scarring might have something to do with Harry, but I can't decide on what yet
[19:46] <Tanaqui> now that's an interesting thought--the spider trick did seem to scar ron...
[19:46] <futureweasley> you can't draw "book smarts" to "street smarts"
[19:46] <Whisperwing> All the way back to when he was a wee thing withhis teddy?
[19:47] <Tanaqui> right
[19:47] <futureweasley> he's not the best student, like the twins, but is brilliant in his own terms
[19:47] <MrMcGonagall> He's not stupid, but he's only average when it comes to the intellectual side of things. I've never understood why people say he's a good strategist. The only area of his life where he has ever manifested that is on a chess board.
[19:47] <Ravendor> I agree, MrM
[19:47] <Aislinn> that's true Mr M
[19:47] <futureweasley> Bill received extensive injuries in his fight with Fenrir. What impact are these cursed scars likely to have on him?
[19:47] <SoonerGryffindor> but I think that is supposed to be representative of that
[19:47] <DumbleDebbie> that shows he has the mental capacity for it
[19:48] <AlchemistApprentice> which takes alot of stratergy but he has not used this ability to his fullest yet
[19:48] <Whisperwing> You don't have to be an intellectual to be intelligent. Intellectuals merely express their intelligence in a way that excludes others
[19:48] <Narya> Something has just occurred to me .. could the tentacles of thought in those brains be linked to what DD experienced in the cave?
[19:48] <MrMcGonagall> Perhaps it's a talent Ron needs to develop.
[19:48] <SoonerGryffindor> interesting Narua
[19:48] <Aislinn> ooh, that is interesting narya
[19:48] <HeidiBug> ooh, interesting narya
[19:48] <Narya> very random, though
[19:48] <Whisperwing> Very
[19:48] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont think that Bill is going to be a werewolf
[19:48] <Aislinn> lol
[19:48] <AlchemistApprentice> explain more narya please
[19:48] <futureweasley> wow, Narya...that's possible...
[19:48] <DumbleDebbie> well, he's not going to be very pretty any more
[19:48] <Narya> and I'm interrupting the next question
[19:48] <Belenzie> make him very sexy yo his wife biggrin
[19:48] <DumbleDebbie> he's going to get a lot of scared looks from people I think
[19:48] <Pleshette> No, I don't either Sooner
[19:48] <Belenzie> *to
[19:49] <MrMcGonagall> Well, we know he likes his meat on the rare side now.
[19:49] <Tanaqui> bill might have to exercise more self control, though
[19:49] <harryfreak359> I don't either Sooner
[19:49] <DumbleDebbie> me either Sooner
[19:49] <Whisperwing> The prediction of the healers is that he's going to have wolfish attributes in his daily life, like a liking for really rare meat.
[19:49] <Narya> I don't think Bill will be a true werewolf, but there will be traits in his personality
[19:49] <MrMcGonagall> I think the biggest impact will be as to how others treat him.
[19:49] <Aislinn> it doesn't sound like he has werewolf tendencies emerging
[19:49] <SoonerGryffindor> but I do think that he will exhibit some physical manifestations like the preference for raw meat
[19:49] <futureweasley> "very rare meat"
[19:49] <Whisperwing> His ears may develop a bit of a point to them
[19:49] <fawkes28> true sooner
[19:49] <Tanaqui> and i can see his temper flaring uncontrollably
[19:49] <AlchemistApprentice> we won't know anything about Bill until a full moon really
[19:49] <Pleshette> Maybe need a shave more often than usual
[19:49] <futureweasley> that's all I want to think about when I think about Bill and Greybeck's bite
[19:49] <DumbleDebbie> he may have to shave more often?
[19:49] <Tanaqui> lol
[19:49] <DumbleDebbie> LOL
[19:49] <fawkes28> i hope not tanaqui
[19:49] <Whisperwing> Biting people's heads off?
[19:50] <Pleshette> smile
[19:50] <SoonerGryffindor> I do wonder if he will show more of the physcial signs during full moon?
[19:50] <Whisperwing> Oh I hope he lets his beard grow in
[19:50] <HeidiBug> he might need some advice from Lupin
[19:50] <MrMcGonagall> I think he's going to experience a lot of prejudice in the wizarding world.
[19:50] <AlchemistApprentice> or sympathy?
[19:50] <futureweasley> I do, too, MrM
[19:50] <Aislinn> yes, Mr M, out of fear
[19:50] <Tanaqui> i think bill's strong enough to control himself
[19:50] <Pleshette> For sure Mr.McG
[19:50] <SoonerGryffindor> I also wonder if he may have been innoculated against ever becoming a werewolf
[19:50] <DumbleDebbie> I wonder Sooner, of if it will be more general
[19:50] <Narya> I think the first full moon after he was bitten would be interesting, if we see it
[19:50] <DumbleDebbie> *or
[19:50] <Poet> I like that idea Sooner
[19:50] <Whisperwing> Or he could be the one who makes the changes in Wizarding society that eases the way for full werewolves
[19:50] <SoonerGryffindor> right, because he is a lttle of both now
[19:50] <AlchemistApprentice> and with that full moon will Lupin help or hinder???
[19:50] <Whisperwing> Be hilarious if it happens during the honeymoon
[19:51] <HeidiBug> that would be good, whisper
[19:51] <futureweasley> and I think that it will free Bill of his obligations to Gringotts, so he can help Harry with curse breaking
[19:51] <NYBookworm> maybe his body will develop some type of antibody to being a werwolf
[19:51] <SoonerGryffindor> right
[19:51] <MrMcGonagall> What if the wedding comes at the full moon?
[19:51] <Whisperwing> Howls from the honeymoon suite
[19:51] <AlchemistApprentice> yes NYbook!
[19:51] <Tanaqui> i think they'll take the full moon into consideration....
[19:51] <futureweasley> I don't see the goblins wanting to deal with someone who could or could not be a werewolf
[19:51] <SoonerGryffindor> maybe (and this is the medical geek in me) that antibody can be used to create a cure
[19:51] <DumbleDebbie> then he'd have an autoimmune disease NYB
[19:51] <Belenzie> and unlike remus it will be more obvious to others
[19:51] <DumbleDebbie> which is generally bad for the person who has it
[19:51] <Narya> I think that's distinctly possible, Sooner
[19:51] <Aislinn> ooh - I love that sooner
[19:51] <HeidiBug> true, belenzie
[19:51] <Tanaqui> do the goblins like to deal with anybody, though? i'm not sure why bill would quit his job
[19:52] <Pleshette> The goblins aren't the prettiest fellows either
[19:52] <fawkes28> lol
[19:52] <DumbleDebbie> true Plesh
[19:52] <HeidiBug> even though he isn't a true werewolf, people won't want to ascoiate with him because he's "wolfish"
[19:52] <Narya> I think it shows Bill's strength of character and his ability in that the goblins have dealt with him so ar
[19:52] <DumbleDebbie> but maybe they think they are ;)
[19:52] <Narya> far, even
[19:52] <futureweasley> Which scars are more detrimental: physical or mental scars?
[19:52] <MrMcGonagall> I'm not sure the goblins will be that scrupulous.
[19:52] <Whisperwing> You mean like in Battlestar galactica when the Cylon who had a hybrid baby turned out to be immune to the virus that was killing Cylons because of antibodies from the pregnancy?
[19:52] <Belenzie> i read a fanfic (yes a know) where lycanthropy was its own entity, and it had to be like exorcised
[19:52] <fawkes28> great question!
[19:52] <SoonerGryffindor> wow
[19:52] <Whisperwing> Mental
[19:52] <Ravendor> mental
[19:52] <HeidiBug> emotional
[19:52] <MrMcGonagall> Mental scars, definitely.
[19:52] <Pleshette> Well I think physical can lead to mental
[19:52] <AlchemistApprentice> and what if Bill and Fleur have a kid will the "cursed bites effect the kid?
[19:52] <Narya> Mental scars
[19:52] <Aislinn> I think mental scars are much more detrimental
[19:52] <Tanaqui> i think it partly depends on your personality and who you are surrounded with
[19:53] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it depends on each situation
[19:53] <futureweasley> I think that they are intermingled
[19:53] <DumbleDebbie> depends
[19:53] <Poet> mental for sure, though physical can cause their own mental scars that are associated
[19:53] <fawkes28> i think mental scars are more detrimental to all of the characters in the books
[19:53] <DumbleDebbie> on the severity
[19:53] <cbm> mentalm physical scars can be ignored
[19:53] <futureweasley> there are physical scars that can be emotionally distressing
[19:53] <DumbleDebbie> both can be debilitating
[19:53] <SoonerGryffindor> It is impossible to make a blanket statement either way
[19:53] <Belenzie> mental can be healed but can also make themselves known again, at the worst times
[19:53] <Whisperwing> Physical scars might make you shy, but mental ones can paralyze you emotionally, render you helpless in a mortal peril situation
[19:53] <AlchemistApprentice> ooh sorry mental scars
[19:53] <Pleshette> meaning that the prejudices of others viewing a physical scar can lead to emotional scars
[19:53] <HeidiBug> mental over physical, emotional over mental
[19:53] <cbm> mental are worse, physical scars can be ignored
[19:53] <Tanaqui> physical scars also depend on where and how you got them
[19:53] <SoonerGryffindor> so many times, physical scars lead to emotional scars, and vice-versa
[19:53] <fawkes28> but your mind can allow you to go to places which make the mental scars even worse
[19:54] <futureweasley> what caused the physical scar? when you look at the physical scar, what emotion is envoked? I think they play together to be equally distressing
[19:54] <DumbleDebbie> not if you've lost a limb tanaqui
[19:54] <Belenzie> i g2g until next time everyone bye!!
[19:54] <SoonerGryffindor> nye Bel
[19:54] <SoonerGryffindor> *bye
[19:54] <Whisperwing> bye
[19:54] <futureweasley> bye Bel
[19:54] <Ravendor> bye, Belenzie
[19:54] <Pleshette> bye Belenzie
[19:54] <AlchemistApprentice> yes fawkes and mental scars can sometimes make a physical one worse
[19:54] <DumbleDebbie> bye bel
[19:54] <NYBookworm> bye
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[19:54] <fawkes28> mental scars can be physically damaging as well
[19:54] <Tanaqui> true--i was thinking of ron and his brain tentacle scars
[19:54] <DumbleDebbie> yes fawkes that's true
[19:55] <harryfreak359> Yes, Fawkes, agreed
[19:55] <fawkes28> think about when harry's mental scars have gotten in his way not eat and take care of himself
[19:55] <MrMcGonagall> Well, we should remember, too, that scars mean something has healed over, even though the effects are still evidenced. I think mental/emotional scars tend to have a more long-term impact.
[19:55] <Aislinn> I think that people can let physical scars affect them mentally, but mental scars affect the very way that one thinks
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[19:56] <fawkes28> well said, aislinn
[19:56] <AlchemistApprentice> and it takes alot more than a bandaid to heal a mental scar
[19:56] <Aislinn> they tend to impair someone's ability to make good choices
[19:56] <HeidiBug> all scars are long term
[19:56] <Ravendor> good thought, Aislinn
[19:56] <Pleshette> and they can stunt emotional growth as well
[19:56] <Aislinn> right pleshette
[19:56] <Tanaqui> hiding an emotional scar can be easier sometimes, too
[19:56] <MrMcGonagall> I think the healing of mental scars is a much trickier business than physical scars.
[19:56] <AlchemistApprentice> what holding like a sheild?
[19:56] <Narya> yes, because there's nothing to see
[19:56] <futureweasley> when Harry sees his scar, he is triggered to remember what he knows about his own past and destiny. the scar is something that never really lets those emotions get any deeper than the surface...it's much harder to gury something that you are forced to think about everytime you see yourself
[19:57] <Aislinn> I agree Mr M
[19:57] <harryfreak359> Agreed Aislinn
[19:57] <harryfreak359> Most definitley Mr.M
[19:57] <DumbleDebbie> good point fw
[19:57] <MrMcGonagall> I think it was part of Jo's point about the kind of damage thoughts can inflict.
[19:57] <fawkes28> it seems like mental scars are a constant reminder while physical scars are there but are not always thought about
[19:57] <harryfreak359> Our minds are much more powerful than our bodies could ever be
[19:58] <futureweasley> very true HarryFreak
[19:58] <Aislinn> yes, harryfreak
[19:58] <Pleshette> And we've seen how Neville's mental scars have hindered his growth for such a long time
[19:58] <Ravendor> definitely, harryfreak
[19:58] <harryfreak359> Yes, fawkes
[19:58] <DumbleDebbie> now HF is channeling yoda ;)
[19:58] <fawkes28> minds can play tricks on people
[19:58] <futureweasley> we are always much stronger than we ever believe possible
[19:58] <harryfreak359> biggrin
[19:58] <MrMcGonagall> I don't like physical violence, but witnessing mental or emotional abuse makes me extremely angry.
[19:58] <AlchemistApprentice> laugh
[19:58] <Aislinn> me too Mr M
[19:58] <DumbleDebbie> believing it is the key, eh FW ::)
[19:58] <Aislinn> I think it has much more lasting effects
[19:58] <Poet> This chat has been so awesome. Maybe we'll have to do a topic similar to this one again in the future. Our next chat is Saturday. Hope to see you all there.
[19:58] <Ravendor> yes, Aislin
[19:58] <harryfreak359> Yes Mr.M, agreed Aislinn
[19:58] <futureweasley> right, Debbie...or just tapping into that mental strength
[19:59] <SoonerGryffindor> thanks for coming guys
[19:59] <fawkes28> some people are never able to get past mental scars - even after the war is over
[19:59] <futureweasley> having someone believe in you is another huge key
[19:59] <MrMcGonagall> Group hug time!
[19:59] <AlchemistApprentice> thanks for having us- night all!!!
[19:59] <harryfreak359> Over already? Wow, that's quick
[19:59] <DumbleDebbie> (((((((group)))))))
[19:59] <Tanaqui> great, great chat everyone!
[19:59] <Pleshette> That's right future
[19:59] <Narya> Thanks for a great chat, everyone! See you all later!
[19:59] <Poet> yes - group hug!
[19:59] * SoonerGryffindor jumps into the group hug
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[19:59] * futureweasley squeezes everyone tight
[19:59] <Aislinn> it did go by really fast!
[19:59] <DumbleDebbie> true future, it is
[19:59] <Aislinn> bye all
[19:59] * HeidiBug hugs everyone
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[19:59] <NYBookworm> night
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[19:59] * Pleshette jumps in!
[19:59] * Ravendor hugs everyone
[19:59] * Poet passes out goodie bags for the road
[19:59] * harryfreak359 gives everyone a big hug
[19:59] <HeidiBug> bye
[19:59] <MrMcGonagall> Dog pile on Sooner!
[19:59] * Aislinn hugs all in the room
[19:59] * fawkes28 joins the group hug
[19:59] <SoonerGryffindor> argh
[19:59] <futureweasley> YES!!
[19:59] <Pleshette> Hugs for everyone!
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[19:59] <futureweasley> bye guys...see you soon!
[20:00] <harryfreak359> Wa hey for hugs!
[20:00] <fawkes28> lag lag lag
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[20:00] <Pleshette> Have a peaceful night everyone!
[20:00] <MrMcGonagall> Wa hey!
[20:00] <harryfreak359> night everyone!
[20:00] <futureweasley> you too Pleshette
[20:00] <Ravendor> bye, everyone!
[20:00] <Poet> night!
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[20:00] <SoonerGryffindor> bye everyone. sweet dreams
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[20:00] <futureweasley> bye HarryFreak
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