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Posted by: futureweasley Jul 15 2007, 04:19 PM
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[14:58] <futureweasley> lol, I was just changing that...good job
[14:58] <ProngsPatronus> lol- c and p, baby, c and p
[14:59] * futureweasley needs to get wise to the "c and p" strategy.
[14:59] <futureweasley> I handtype everything
[15:00] <ProngsPatronus> I am a slow typist, so c and p is my salvation
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[15:00] <Aquamarine> Hey all!
[15:00] <futureweasley> hi Aqua!
[15:00] <ProngsPatronus> hello, Aquamarine
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[15:00] <Aquamarine> Okay, so I'm just finishing up the article now...
[15:00] <futureweasley> no spoilers today...we are all on the lookout
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[15:01] <bibs> hey
[15:01] <Aislinn> anyone talking about spoilers in here will be kicked out and banned from returning
[15:01] <futureweasley> hi bibs, cbm
[15:01] <cbm> hi
[15:01] <bibs> kk
[15:01] <Aquamarine> No worries!
[15:01] <bibs> what time is it where you are
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[15:01] <cbm> I am trying the new interface today
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[15:01] <futureweasley> we mean business today...we are too close to have you all spoiled just now!
[15:01] <ProngsPatronus> hey bibs, cbm
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[15:02] <Aislinn> can you believe that we will have the book in our hands at this time next week??????
[15:02] *** mode/#lounge [+o Poet] by Snuffles
[15:02] <futureweasley> hi bookworm
[15:02] <cbm> no
[15:02] <Aquamarine> I know it!!!!!!
[15:02] <bookworm1102> hey future
[15:02] <bibs> its 8 at night here
[15:02] <Aislinn> it's just so exciting
[15:02] <futureweasley> it's 3pm here
[15:02] <Aquamarine> I'll brb ... finishing up the article smile
[15:02] <bibs> squee
[15:02] <futureweasley> ok
[15:02] <bibs> you all ok?
[15:03] <bookworm1102> yes
[15:03] <MafaldaWeasley> hello guys!! 5 days!!!!
[15:03] <bibs> squee (again)
[15:03] <cbm> So far, I have been able to avoid spoilers smile
[15:03] <bibs> me to
[15:03] <ProngsPatronus> hey, mafalda
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[15:03] <MafaldaWeasley> mm just a uestion. I'm wondering how can I change my color..
[15:03] <bookworm1102> I ready for it , i already saw order of the phoenex twice
[15:03] <MafaldaWeasley> hey Prongs!
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[15:04] <ProngsPatronus> all I will say is this: avoid mugglenet like the plague if you don't want to be spoiled!
[15:04] <MafaldaWeasley> I've been away from the spoilers with the esception of the movie
[15:04] <JaneMarple9> evening/afternoon/ morning all!!
[15:04] <bibs> im not sure mafalda sorry
[15:04] <cbm> on the new interface it is next to the smiley face right above where you are typing
[15:04] <bookworm1102> are there alot of spoilers there prongs
[15:04] <cbm> but it does not stay
[15:04] <Aislinn> there are two we are aware of bookworm1102
[15:04] <JaneMarple9> Good to see everyone
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[15:04] <Princess> Hey Everyone! biggrin
[15:04] <Aquamarine> Omg, there are spoilers on Mugglenet?
[15:04] <cbm> brb
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[15:05] <Aquamarine> That's horrible!
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[15:05] <bibs> hi
[15:05] <ph63915> evening all
[15:05] <Aquamarine> So many people read that site!
[15:05] <MafaldaWeasley> hello Jane
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[15:05] * futureweasley has now boycotted MuggleNet for life
[15:05] <Aquamarine> Thank goodness for Leaky making their anti-spoiler policy
[15:05] <futureweasley> hi everybody
[15:05] <cbm> So have I
[15:05] <MafaldaWeasley> I don't have any options but lounge
[15:05] <Poet> Anyone that says the word MuggleNet has to give us all chocolate
[15:05] <Aislinn> it is a shame that people think it is OK to spoil other people's fun
[15:05] <bookworm1102> actually im going to be avoiding alot of things next week
[15:05] <ProngsPatronus> me, too
[15:05] <JaneMarple9> i hate spoilers
[15:06] <Aislinn> yeah, it may be best to avoid the news and radio for the next week too
[15:06] <Aquamarine> I'm sorry, but how do I change my color
[15:06] <bibs> im gonna avoid leaky until i finish the book
[15:06] * cbm seems to think poet likes chocolate
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[15:06] <ProngsPatronus> I have a chat on wednesday to do, but I think that will be it for me
[15:06] <MafaldaWeasley> hi Future! Yeah Aislinn.. I really sislike it as well, but once I get my book I'll go straight the the chapter dealing with snape hahaha
[15:06] <Aislinn> they supposedly broadcast a spoiler on the radio over in the UK today
[15:06] * Poet thinks cbm is on to her sercret
[15:06] <bookworm1102> im actually going to hide my computer next week thats how far im going
[15:06] <JaneMarple9> chocolate is goooodddddddddd
[15:06] <cbm> lol
[15:06] <MafaldaWeasley> yeah, Aqua, I was just asking the same
[15:06] <futureweasley> hi akcalsyn and GadgetDon
[15:06] <cbm> yesterday poet would not let us mention the movie
[15:06] <bibs> i want chocolate now
[15:06] <Aquamarine> lol I'm definetly avoiding the newspapers too!
[15:06] <Aislinn> are you in the new chat or the old one?
[15:06] <ProngsPatronus> at least CNN is safe to watch
[15:06] <Princess> Really Aislinn? which radio company?:s
[15:07] <Aislinn> did you click on the hyperlink or the grey button?
[15:07] <ProngsPatronus> although they report that there are spoilers, they don't tell you what they are
[15:07] * Poet thinks if anyone mentions said spoiler I will make them send me chocolate for life
[15:07] <bibs> im so glad i wont be in school
[15:07] <MafaldaWeasley> I think it's the new. the previous one was different. I clicked on the grey button
[15:07] <Aquamarine> new one for me too!
[15:07] * futureweasley isn't above using the cruciatius on those who attempt to spoil
[15:07] <Aislinn> the grey button is the old link - you can go to the right of where you type and click on the << to find the colors
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[15:07] <bibs> thats it now, i need chocolate
[15:07] <cbm> I went back to the old one, I like having a color
[15:08] <Aislinn> if you are in the other chat, the colors don't stickc
[15:08] <futureweasley> hi fawkes
[15:08] <MafaldaWeasley> I don't have that option, so I think I'm on the new one
[15:08] <ProngsPatronus> hello, fawkes!
[15:08] <bibs> *goes and raids the fridge
[15:08] <fawkes28> hey guys smile
[15:08] <Poet> I'm on the old interface, though I'm not too attached to anyone color
[15:08] <GadgetDon> I won't be seeking out spoilers, but if I run upon them I won't be too upset. I'd heard that Dumbledore had died in HBP, but I was still completely shocked with the way it happened
[15:08] <MafaldaWeasley> hi Fawkes!!!
[15:08] <cbm> hi fawkes
[15:08] <fawkes28> can't stay too long but wanted to chat for a bit
[15:08] <bookworm1102> hi fawkes
[15:08] <Poet> yesterday I stole fawkes' pink because it stood out well for modding
[15:08] <bibs> hey
[15:08] <MafaldaWeasley> hehe poet
[15:08] <fawkes28> make sure you report a post if you see a spoiler!
[15:08] <Poet> (chuckle)
[15:08] <fawkes28> you did?
[15:08] * fawkes28 is shocked
[15:09] <GadgetDon> I'm old and boring. I just post in black
[15:09] <futureweasley> ah, Don, you are a much bigger person than I am. I think I will seek revenge on those who spoil me
[15:09] <ProngsPatronus> lol
[15:09] <akcalsyn> Yes, and since I never know which spoilers are "real" until I read the book they are more "teasers" than spoilers!
[15:09] <futureweasley> :giggle:
[15:09] <Poet> someone else was using this funky blue color...
[15:09] <bibs> i ve found chocolate
[15:09] <bibs> ssquee
[15:09] <cbm> I try for green usually
[15:09] <Poet> I tried to steal futureweasley's purple but she wouldn't let me
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[15:09] <ProngsPatronus> ann was kind enough to share the blue with me
[15:09] <ProngsPatronus> hey, spectre
[15:09] <Spectre> hi all
[15:09] <Aquamarine> I agree Akcalsyn. Someone told me a "rumor" that will not be mentioned, but I kind of just laughed it off like "yeah, right. Did you hear the one about the giant squid too?"
[15:09] <bookworm1102> im also not listening to potter cast when hte book comes out
[15:09] <fawkes28> i like your color, poet
[15:09] <bibs> hey
[15:10] <Poet> yes it's nice when three people aren't using it ;)
[15:10] <GadgetDon> Actually, I did hear something, highlight to read: just kidding
[15:10] <bookworm1102> lol poet
[15:10] <ProngsPatronus> well, fawkes, you couls always trade her for the chat today
[15:10] <GadgetDon> dang. color didn't work
[15:10] <Spectre> what's the question, or there's no yet? smile
[15:10] * Poet sends GadgetDon a dungbomb (hehe)
[15:10] <bibs> does this work
[15:10] <ProngsPatronus> no question yet
[15:10] <futureweasley> we're not there yet, Spectre
[15:10] <bibs> damn
[15:10] <fawkes28> well, i wont be here too long but we dont want to confuse people
[15:11] <MafaldaWeasley> I gave up on the color matter, Don biggrin
[15:11] <ProngsPatronus> qwe are discussing the enforced absence of potential spoilers in this chat today
[15:11] <fawkes28> i wouldnt even know she had my color if she didnt tell me - poet is honest smile
[15:11] <MafaldaWeasley> hi Spectre
[15:11] <Poet> sometimes wink
[15:11] <JaneMarple9> i'm always black sad
[15:11] <bookworm1102> hi spectre
[15:11] <fawkes28> you can change your color
[15:11] <Princess> has anyone else been in a weird, down mood to think next weekend is the end of our reading adventure?
its eating me up!
[15:12] <Spectre> Maybe you should rename into JaneBlack9, eh Jane? smile
[15:12] <fawkes28> oh definitely, princess
[15:12] <JaneMarple9> can't fawkes - new interface for me!
[15:12] <bibs> i have princess
[15:12] <cbm> I am both happy and sad
[15:12] <Aquamarine> I know! I was thinking today about the fact that next week at this time, we will be READING!
[15:12] <Spectre> Of the greatest house of Black? biggrin
[15:12] <Aquamarine> Squee!
[15:12] <bookworm1102> my dad told me that after i read the book i could go back to the real world
[15:12] <JaneMarple9> perhaps spectre - or sirius Black!!!
[15:12] <Aquamarine> Lol
[15:12] <fawkes28> aww, sorry, Jane
[15:12] <Princess> Its so distressing!
[15:12] <bibs> its the whole no more books thing
[15:12] <Princess> yep
[15:12] <fawkes28> i dont think we will ever do that bookworm ;)
[15:12] <bookworm1102> totally agree fawkes
[15:12] <Spectre> DH will be my first HP book I'll actually buy, and it'll be the English version smile
[15:13] <Princess> too true fawkes - it was too late for me ages ago - potter just finished me 
[15:13] <cbm> I have gotten such great enjoyment trying to figure out the puzzle of the books, I am not sure what it will be like when I know the answers
[15:13] <Aquamarine> Bookworm, my mom was like "What are you going to do with yourself afterwards.? "
[15:13] <bookworm1102> i think he just wants me to stop talking about it
[15:13] <bibs> its the first one i buy on the actual day
[15:13] <JaneMarple9> this is the first HP boook for me with the internet fandom
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[15:13] <Princess> same here jane! biggrin
[15:13] <fawkes28> i actually just finished rereading HBP today and was quite sad
[15:13] <Aquamarine> And I said "I don't know" seriously...
[15:13] <cbm> this is my 2nd
[15:13] <bibs> wasnt as obsessed before i read the six one
[15:13] <fawkes28> i sobbed again when dumbledore died
[15:13] <JaneMarple9> can't believe how much i've learned sice I joined here!
[15:13] <cbm> I am on chapter 16
[15:14] <Aquamarine> LOL Fawkes, I just finished re-reading PoA today!
[15:14] <Aquamarine> I'm so behind!
[15:14] <Aquamarine> Now I only have a week to read the rest of them!
[15:14] <MafaldaWeasley> I was very sad when Sirius died, but I was expecting DD to die
[15:14] <Spectre> and then I'll try to pull out a big job of translating it biggrin
[15:14] <Princess> i went on a mad readathon trying (and failing) to finish ootp before the film - made no difference anyhow as long as they're all finished before DHbiggrin
[15:14] <bibs> im on chapter 17 on hbp
[15:14] <cbm> I used the reading groups that started last year for my rereading, it was excellent!
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[15:14] <fawkes28> oh, i skipped a few because i didnt have time - i read PS, then OotP, thrn HBP
[15:14] <futureweasley> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You're not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you'll be able to type again soon.
[15:15] <futureweasley> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod.
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[15:15] <futureweasley> You won't be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it" in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules
[15:15] <futureweasley> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation!
[15:15] <futureweasley> If you attempt to post spoilers here, please consider your privilege to participate in future Corner Booth discussions, and to post of the Leaky Lounge, permanently terminated. Thank you.
[15:16] <Aislinn> Our last gasp P3 pre-DH chat mines the wealth of information gleaned from Jo Rowling herself in her many interviews over the years! In "Hint, Hint: Jo Rowling Speaks about Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows" Lisa Bunker and Deborah Skinner have gifted us with quotes and questions which are irresistible.
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[15:16] <Aislinn> We'll be skimming the surface of this great Chapter... which can be found here http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/#static:bookseven/hinthint
[15:16] <Aislinn> Lisa and Deborah remind us: "Sometimes Jo tells us what to pay attention to, but not always. One caveat—Jo doesn’t lie to us, but she loves to tease, toss us red herrings, and give us ambiguous answers." Let's take a look!
[15:16] <Aislinn> Jo: "The fact that Harry has his mother’s eyes is very important to a future book."
[15:17] <Aislinn> What does she mean by this? Is there special magic about his eyes? Is it simply that Harry powerfully reminds people like Snape and Voldemort of his mother? Or, perhaps is Jo being metaphorical here and making a parallel between the way they both see the world: with compassion and tolerance?
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[15:17] <Spectre> I think it's both smile
[15:17] <bibs> i think it has something to do with fighting the imperious curse
[15:17] <bookworm1102> I think that it might come up i just not sure how important it will be
[15:17] <ProngsPatronus> I think, actually, we have seen the special use of Harry/Lily's eyes
[15:17] <Aquamarine> Hmm... interesting Bibs.
[15:17] <futureweasley> I think that Lily's eyes have maybe already played their significants
[15:18] <Princess> I dont thnk harry sees the world with tolerance... cough cough mr angry book 5 cough cough smile
[15:18] <bookworm1102> how future?
[15:18] <Spectre> when Harry got Slughorn's memory, that one future?
[15:18] <Poet> I think they have yet to play their role
[15:18] <dillypoo> i just finished reading the chapter in HBP where harry gets the memory from slughorn...i think maybe the fact that harry has his mother's eyes was important there...they reminded sluggy of lily
[15:18] <futureweasley> I think that Harry having Lily's eyes persuade Slughorn
[15:18] <bibs> moody said in gof watch his eyes its all in his eyes
[15:18] <futureweasley> yes Spectre
[15:18] <iluvorly17> i think, it will be some sort of clue in defenting voldemort
[15:18] <ProngsPatronus> me, too, future
[15:18] <Aislinn> I disagree, princess - harry was struggling in book 5, but he has grown a lot since then
[15:18] <futureweasley> Slughorn loved Lily, and I think that was the most important thing that Lily's eyes could have done
[15:18] <MafaldaWeasley> yes Future. I think Harry's eyes already had a fun ction and it was very important
[15:19] <futureweasley> given Harry his proper mission
[15:19] <Aquamarine> I think that this actually relates to a later quote JKR said about the PoA movie about containing some spoiler, and I think it was the scene where Lupin was telling Harry that Lily could "see the could in people they could not see int themselves"
[15:19] <JaneMarple9> yeah lily's eyes...
[15:19] <dillypoo> i agree with you, futureweasley
[15:19] <bookworm1102> that makes sense future i mean people say that his eyes remind him of lily so i guess they look at it like they are talking to her
[15:19] <destinydreams> aquamarine a nice possibility
[15:19] <JaneMarple9> we better find out more about them at the weekend
[15:19] <fawkes28> yes, i think his eyes have played their role - their is only so much room in the book
[15:19] <bibs> you mean like in shallow hal?
[15:19] <Princess> yes he has, he certainly has when you think of his attitutude to malfoy in the HBP
[15:19] <akcalsyn> I think that they HAVE served A purpose, but not the "big one" yet!
[15:20] <iluvorly17> i agree, with akcalsyn
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[15:20] <futureweasley> I guess my question would be, what greater purpose could they serve?
[15:20] <bibs> itll be something shes hidden in plain sight
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[15:20] <bookworm1102> i think they might have a bigger role that has yet to be played though
[15:20] <Aquamarine> Me too.
[15:20] <Poet> what they did for Harry in terms of getting the book 6 memory was pretty important. I'm thinking something like that again in Book 7
[15:20] <Aquamarine> Something to do with love maybe...
[15:20] <iluvorly17> could be
[15:20] <akcalsyn> Possibly with SNAPE or possibly some special power or BOTH.
[15:20] <Aislinn> love would make sense, since that is what Lily has represented
[15:20] <Princess> definitely - maybe this time it'll be persuasion of wormtail...
[15:21] <Spectre> Harry would pass a magical retina scan in Godric's Hollow? smile
[15:21] <JaneMarple9> ooo a connection with snape
[15:21] <bibs> im still going with my inperio thoery
[15:21] <destinydreams> eyes are supposed to be the windows to the soul, i wonder if that is worth thinking about
[15:21] <JaneMarple9> ow wouldn't that be interesting!
[15:21] <bookworm1102> lol spectre
[15:21] <MafaldaWeasley> I think that they already had its prupose. Guys, they helped to confirm about the horcruxes. I cannot think of anything more important than that
[15:21] <Princess> that's interesting destiny
[15:21] <MafaldaWeasley> haha Spectre
[15:21] <cbm> that may be it princess, they make work on wormtail the same way they did for sluggy
[15:21] <Poet> Or, his eyes can open a room or a door or some creature will let him "pass" to enter somewhere because his eyes look like his mothers and she worked there or something smile
[15:21] <fawkes28> that is interesting, destiny
[15:21] <Aquamarine> I really don't think there is a "special eye magic", someone would have mentioned that before
[15:21] <Spectre> that's what I thought Poet smile
[15:22] <MafaldaWeasley> but then, Poet, He would have to have his mothers eyes literally
[15:22] <futureweasley> maybe Lily had premonitions
[15:22] <akcalsyn> I think causing someone to sacrifice themself to save Harry (Lily) would be a bigger purpose!
[15:22] <Aquamarine> LOL Poet, like an eye scanning device. "Identity confirmed: Lily Potter"
[15:22] <bookworm1102> mybe it some utapped powere he has that he doesnt know about
[15:22] <JaneMarple9> she might have been a seer
[15:22] <destinydreams> lol ty just a thought, especially since harry was able to see into LV soul, the active one anyway
[15:22] <futureweasley> maybe there is seer blood in the Evans family line
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[15:22] <Poet> They could remind the "guard" of his mother smile
[15:22] <JaneMarple9> although i am sure trelawney would have mentioned that by now
[15:22] <ProngsPatronus> there could be
[15:22] <bibs> im stumped
[15:22] <iluvorly17> ha, ha. could be poet
[15:22] <JaneMarple9> nice little echo future smile
[15:22] <Princess> god bless trelawney
[15:23] <bibs> hungry from birth
[15:23] <ProngsPatronus> they have been remarkably closed mouthed about the Evans family so far
[15:23] <bookworm1102> maybe this utapped power of his if he has one is the power besides love that LV doesnt know about
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[15:23] <futureweasley> hi alchemist
[15:23] <JaneMarple9> yeah
[15:23] <bibs> soz bad joke
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[15:23] <JaneMarple9> he evans family is interesting
[15:23] <bibs> i know
[15:23] <Aquamarine> Well, about Lily being a seer and the Evans family, JKR did say "there is more than Petunia than meets the EYE"
[15:23] <bibs> oooooh
[15:23] <Aquamarine> And she was being "shockingly indiscreet"
[15:23] <JaneMarple9> yes aqua!
[15:23] <futureweasley> yes Aqua
[15:23] <bibs> good one
[15:24] <bookworm1102> intersting auqa
[15:24] <Princess> yeh, she's confirmed that we hear more from lily's family didnt she?
[15:24] <futureweasley> I've been saying that on WeasleyCast
[15:24] <destinydreams> indeedy but ahe never described petunias eyes
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[15:24] <Princess> oohhh!! goosebumps!
[15:24] <Aquamarine> lol
[15:24] <JaneMarple9> Never thought it like that!
[15:24] <iluvorly17> even though we don't know much about them. andi think jo did
[15:24] <destinydreams> i wonder what they are like?
[15:24] <futureweasley> I think that there is seer blood in the Evans family line
[15:24] <Spectre> hm... Petunia making a prophecy?
[15:24] <Aislinn> We will find out the significant information about Harry’s mother in two parts: Book 5 and Book 7. Both are according to Jo: “very important in what Harry ends up having to do.” We know so little about Lily. Why did she change her mind about James? Did Snape ever apologize? What was her relationship with Petunia like? What did she do for work after finishing Hogwarts? Why was Voldemort willing to let her live?
[15:24] <ProngsPatronus> I wonder if the Evans are Welsh
[15:24] <Aquamarine> I agree FW, and that could be Petunia's little thing
[15:24] <bookworm1102> maybe dumble dore knows that petuina is a seer or somthing to that effect
[15:24] <bibs> cold un like her sisters i think (patunias eyes
[15:24] <JaneMarple9> wow....perhaps we've rumbled Petunia's secret 5 days before DH
[15:24] <ProngsPatronus> the Second Sight runs strong in some Welsh families
[15:25] <fawkes28> i think she was an unspeakable
[15:25] <JaneMarple9> thats possible PP - Godric's Hollow sounds welsh to me too
[15:25] <destinydreams> well its obvious shes good at both charms and potions but what does it amount to as a job?
[15:25] <Aislinn> I do too, fawkes
[15:25] <MafaldaWeasley> me too fawkes
[15:25] <JaneMarple9> lilu was a auror i think
[15:25] <fawkes28> she was very intelligent - she may have been working on something related to alchemy i think
[15:25] <MafaldaWeasley> me too fawkes
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[15:25] <bibs> im goin with unspeakable
[15:25] <bookworm1102> I think lily is more powerful then JKR let on
[15:25] <futureweasley> I think Lily worked from home and raised Harry
[15:25] <bibs> i think lily was boss
[15:25] <cbm> I think voldemort let her live because peter wanted her to live
[15:25] <bibs> shes my idol
[15:25] <iluvorly17> any theories on why voldemort, was willing to spare lily?
[15:25] <ProngsPatronus> I think Lily was an alchemist working at the Dept. of mysteries, myself
[15:25] <futureweasley> maybe some sort of "at home" research?
[15:26] <Aquamarine> The book 5 bit makes me think Lily's BIG secret is something related to Snape and the "mudblood" incident
[15:26] <MafaldaWeasley> or maybe she worked with some bigger things. research on acient powers maybe
[15:26] <Poet> Since I think Snape's role in book 7 will be something helpful toward Harry, I am of the camp that also thinks Snape was fond of Lily similar to how Slughorn was fond of Lily
[15:26] <fawkes28> he may have wanted her to make a stone for him or for some other alchemical purposes
[15:26] <akcalsyn> Yes, more powerful, bookworm. I think we are going to be very impressed with Lily Evans Potter next week!
[15:26] <destinydreams> i always wondered with her and james knowing DD well whether he taught her charms , some that he madde up?
[15:26] <cbm> I bet her relationship with petunia was bad
[15:26] <MafaldaWeasley> or maybe she worked with some bigger things. research on acient powers maybe
[15:26] <JaneMarple9> lily was definately more than a match for james
[15:26] <bibs> i think she was on love potion
[15:26] <ProngsPatronus> well, we know she was an adept at the Old Magic
[15:26] <futureweasley> yes, cbm, I agree that Lily and Petunia's relationship was not all sunshine and roses, but I do believe they loved each other
[15:26] <destinydreams> i agree prongs
[15:26] <bibs> because james was that desperate
[15:26] <futureweasley> I think that is evident because Petunia took Harry in.
[15:27] <iluvorly17> true
[15:27] <JaneMarple9> i imagine lily and petunia's relationship was the same as Regulus and Sirius
[15:27] <Aquamarine> yep!
[15:27] <MafaldaWeasley> like DD, PP
[15:27] <ProngsPatronus> yes
[15:27] <RAVENKLAW> I think she may have worked at Gringotts. She was skilled in charms and could have defended against a dragon.
[15:27] <bookworm1102> mayabe it was because of lily being so powerful and she would rather die then have harry killed or work for LV was part of the reason why he chose harry and not neville
[15:27] <akcalsyn> I agree that they loved each other. I think Sirius had it right -- weren't we all jerks at 15! Hopefully we all grown up from there!
[15:27] <ProngsPatronus> Lv does not offer mercy
[15:27] <Aquamarine> Woah, interesting connection their Jane!!!
[15:27] <fawkes28> i think one of the biggest hints to her being an alchemist is how brilliant she was in potions
[15:27] <ProngsPatronus> he simply saves that which will be of use to him
[15:27] <Princess> i think petunia was really upset lily got a letter and she didnt... maybe it made a rift between them that upset petunia even more whn lily died.
[15:27] <futureweasley> haha akcalsyn...everyone is a jerk at 15
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[15:28] <Poet> d
[15:28] <akcalsyn> LV does not offer mercy. But he does give "rewards" to his closest!
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[15:28] <bibs> think about it - both harry and voldy would have love potion in their blood
[15:28] <ProngsPatronus> not those kinds of rewards
[15:28] <Aislinn> hi joyhawk
[15:28] <iluvorly17> then why was he willing to spare lily?
[15:28] <Joyhawk2121> Hello everyone
[15:28] <bibs> for snape?
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[15:28] <destinydreams> this is what i wonder
[15:28] <ProngsPatronus> Lily didn't need a love potion
[15:28] <Princess> hey
[15:28] <Aquamarine> Lily died literally begging for "mercy" (one of the quotes from PoA)
[15:28] <Aislinn> I think he wanted to use Lily
[15:28] <bibs> hey by the way
[15:28] <destinydreams> why lily, why speare her
[15:28] <RAVENKLAW> Yeah, I suppose that is reasonable.
[15:29] <Aislinn> that is why he offered to spare her
[15:29] <destinydreams> spare*
[15:29] <MafaldaWeasley> the use her to some other thing he had in mind or to get some knwoledge out of her
[15:29] <Aquamarine> I think he offered to spare her because of Snape
[15:29] <cbm> I think he spared her for one of his servants, I would bet it was Peter
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[15:29] <bibs> no i mean james giving her potion
[15:29] <Princess> if she really was that close to dd maybe that's the reason
[15:29] <iluvorly17> why because of snape?
[15:29] <akcalsyn> Just my $.02 but I think he was willing to save Lily as a reward for Snape. I don't think LV considered her too much of a threat so he was willing to keep Snape happy.
[15:29] <ProngsPatronus> I know, bibs--I just disagree with that
[15:30] <Princess> Oooohhh i like that akcalsyn
[15:30] <Aquamarine> DD said Snape came to the good side BEFORE LV's downfall, so maybe it was literally a few minutes before, because LV had ended up killing Lily
[15:30] <bibs> thats fine
[15:30] <ProngsPatronus> she had already defied him three times
[15:30] <cbm> It would make it much more complicated to have it be for Snape. We know he had to talk to peter to get there. There is no evidence he talked to snape
[15:30] <ProngsPatronus> she was a threat!
[15:30] <cbm> about that night
[15:30] <RAVENKLAW> We'll find out in six days.
[15:30] <destinydreams> lol
[15:30] <Princess> sad
[15:30] <bibs> i like it when two poeple hav diferent opinions
[15:30] <iluvorly17> thank god! yay!
[15:30] <Aquamarine> True cbm.
[15:30] <futureweasley> I'm excited to know some of these answers, and it's right around the corner
[15:30] <ProngsPatronus> me, too! makes the discussion all the better
[15:30] <Aquamarine> I like the idea about alchemy though
[15:30] <MafaldaWeasley> yes PP. I think she had a knowledge usefull to LV. For me, that's the only reason.
[15:30] <destinydreams> i wonder if any info is left in godrics hollow about lily
[15:31] <destinydreams> about her job etc
[15:31] <akcalsyn> YES, AQUAMARINE! That is what I think. And what better way to know of Snape's loyalty than to know that LV promised him Lily but did not keep the promise!
[15:31] <futureweasley> well, the house was totalled
[15:31] <cbm> In the hearing DD said he had been working for him for some time before the fall, or words to that effect
[15:31] <ProngsPatronus> maybe some of her alchemical papers or potions are still there
[15:31] <bookworm1102> are the potters graves at godrics hollow?
[15:31] <ph63915> I think lily was an unspeakable working in the locked room
[15:31] <futureweasley> I'm not sure we will know anything about it from there
[15:31] <Poet> I think Voldemort was willing to let Lily live (for the time being) because he thought she might know where a Godric G item might be. They lived G's Hollow afterall.
[15:31] <RAVENKLAW> Yeah, there probably will be loads of stuff about the Potters there.
[15:31] <bibs> i thought that
[15:31] <JaneMarple9> yeah poet
[15:31] <Aislinn> Jo says a question we should be asking is “why Dumbledore did not kill or try to kill Voldemort in the scene in the ministry.” Dumbledore did not give the real reason. What was the spell Dumbledore used in the Ministry to block LV's spell, and what would it have done if Voldemort hadn’t blocked it? According to Dumbledore’s Chocolate Frog card, he “defeated” Grindelwald (not “killed”), so Dumbledore’s spell may be one he has used before against another dark foe?
[15:31] <Aquamarine> I'm glad yoiu agree alcalsyn!
[15:32] <JaneMarple9> i like that idea a lot
[15:32] <akcalsyn> I think she WAS a threat but all LV could see was that she was a "weak loving mother" and because he was so obsessed with the prophecy, he did not look at Lily closely, just Harry!
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[15:32] <iluvorly17> could be very true, akcalsyn
[15:32] <MafaldaWeasley> I had suspicious of the Horcrux sins CoS
[15:32] <bibs> imaybe a de powering thing
[15:32] <ph63915> DD knows the prophecy and knows he cant finish LV
[15:33] <Princess> i liked the fact that in the ministry DD says that killing voldie would not satisfy him
[15:33] <Aislinn> so Dumbledore’s spell may be one he has used before against another dark foe.
[15:33] <cbm> Voldemort needs a worse fate
[15:33] <Poet> I think Dumbledore knows a way to capture someone in a spell that allows you to transport them safely to the veil (Death) room and toss them in if you so wish - sort of like in Superman - hthose mini-prison things
[15:33] <bibs> he needed to leave him for harry
[15:33] <Aislinn> sorry - that part got cut off
[15:33] <bibs> hes harrys to kill
[15:33] <Aquamarine> Hmm ... the word "defeated" sounds to me like "defied", which means the way that Dumbledore overcame Grindelwald could relate to how the Potters have "defied" Voldemort
[15:33] <fawkes28> I think it was some type of love spell - some good magic
[15:33] <akcalsyn> Hmmm! I just figured that DD knew that he would kill Harry in the process and not kill LV so he didn't do it (planning to do it AFTER he got rid of the horcruxes.)
[15:33] <bookworm1102> could harry mybe be the heir of gryffindor and since LV is the heir of sltherin maybe only the heir of gryffindor could defeat him I dont know its an out there thory
[15:33] <Aquamarine> I don't know , my theory's a bit out there
[15:34] <Princess> thats a different idea bookworm smile
[15:34] <bibs> some one so like him with love in his heart
[15:34] <MafaldaWeasley> Harry is not the heir of griffindor, I'm afraid. I think JK debunked that. sad
[15:34] <iluvorly17> but it is a good one, bookworm!
[15:34] <bibs> i agree
[15:35] <ProngsPatronus> I do think there is an heir of Gryffindor, though--just not Harry
[15:35] <Aquamarine> It was interesting in the words which she debunked it though... she seemed almost uncertain. I dunno,,, I guess I don't think it's true
[15:35] <akcalsyn> Yes, Mafalda -- I thought that JK already said there was no blood connection between HP and GG. B
[15:35] <Aquamarine> Who then, Prongs?
[15:35] <Poet> The symbol on the UK children's cover art spine has a circle inside a triangle which - in one theory - says that you can capture an evil spirit inside that shape. So I'm thinking DD knows how to capture an evil person inside a small prison of their mind or something.
[15:35] <fawkes28> that is interesting, poet
[15:35] <Princess> ohh that's clever Poet - that would be interesting
[15:35] <MafaldaWeasley> if that was a shield against the dark magic, why wouldn't he had taught Harry that? Sometimes I wonder if you can create spell by instinct. DD had a lot of instinct and so does Harry and LV.
[15:35] <JaneMarple9> i think it is a rune
[15:36] <Aquamarine> that would be interesting
[15:36] <bibs> you mean like they did in dr who
[15:36] <Joyhawk2121> that is enteresting Poet
[15:36] <bibs> TO WITCHES
[15:36] <bibs> gasp
[15:36] <JaneMarple9> off dumbledore's pensieve
[15:36] <akcalsyn> Yes, interesting. But it seems like he would have used it before now if he could -- unless there is a finite space?
[15:36] <bibs> gasps more
[15:36] <Aquamarine> "Small prison of their mind" like, driving them mad? or something?
[15:36] <ProngsPatronus> perhaps that spell was opne which removed magical powers
[15:36] <RAVENKLAW> Voldemort saw only power; he felt that love and friendship were weaknesses. He should have learned from Dumbledore that he was completely wrong in his act againt love and friendship. DD is pretty much love and friendship. If Voldemort feared DD so, than why does he still feel as he does againt love and friendship?
[15:36] <Poet> something like that Prongs
[15:36] <ph63915> could you drive LV any more mad?
[15:37] <Aquamarine> Woah, Prongs. That would have been cool.
[15:37] <iluvorly17> but wouldn't a spelllike that break, after dd death? i have no clue
[15:37] <RAVENKLAW> That is yet another one of Lord Voldemort's weaknesses
[15:37] <Princess> give him a hug perhaps? laugh
[15:37] <Aquamarine> Hmm.. interesting perspective Ravenclaw.
[15:37] <bookworm1102> but DD is dead and harry still has a lot to learn maybe he just hasnet learned somthings yet
[15:37] <bibs> help
[15:37] <cbm> but JKR says that Harry knows more than he thinks he does
[15:38] <ProngsPatronus> because that is something which Lv cannot remedy, ravenklaw
[15:38] <bibs> all your theorys are cool and i cant think of any
[15:38] <Aquamarine> how? in a memory that Harry has, but doesn't have any access to?
[15:38] <Princess> me neither
[15:38] <RAVENKLAW> Harry does know more than he thinks he does.
[15:38] <iluvorly17> i am with u bibs, lol!
[15:38] <Spectre> it's a very strong spell, if it works so powerfully even without incantation
[15:38] <akcalsyn> Ravenklaw- I think that he did not realize that DD's love was the source of his strength. I think he saw it as a flaw in his strength. But DD has made it clear that LV's misunderstanding will help them defeat him!
[15:38] <bookworm1102> guys i will be right back
[15:38] <ProngsPatronus> Lv has split his soul--love and true friendship are now beyond his grasp
[15:38] <bibs> i need a drink
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[15:38] <Princess> defo PP
[15:38] <ph63915> Maybe Harry has somehow inheritted Lilly's knowledge and just needs to unlock them
[15:39] <Poet> Yes, no redemption possible for Voldemort, for he's permanently damaged his own soul
[15:39] <RAVENKLAW> Look, he is an excellent duelist. He can fly exceedingly well. He can love, everyone knows DD has said that enough times.
[15:39] <bibs> im going to get a drink
[15:39] <bibs> brb
[15:39] <Aquamarine> kik bibs
[15:39] <iluvorly17> but what about powers or gifts, from his father.
[15:39] <Aquamarine> ***lol bibs
[15:39] <Poet> so mean smile
[15:39] <RAVENKLAW> With these capabilities, which he sees as being minor, he is very powerful.
[15:39] <iluvorly17> he was a great wizard too( james)
[15:39] <Aislinn> Dumbledore’s “gleam of triumph” will be enormously significant to Book 7. Specifically, the “gleam of something like triumph” (GoF, 36) when Harry told him how Voldemort made Harry’s blood part of his rebirth potion—and could touch him afterward. What did Dumbledore know that Voldemort didn’t?
[15:40] <RAVENKLAW> Not to mension he blew up his aunt just out of anger!
[15:40] <akcalsyn> I think it is no "magic knowledge" it is just pieces that Harry needs to put together in the right way -- probably with help from R&H!
[15:40] <Aquamarine> That gleam has still got be completely confunded.
[15:40] <GadgetDon> No redemption is possible for Voldemort. But what about Tom Riddle?
[15:40] <Aquamarine> *me, not be!
[15:40] <JaneMarple9> i think harry's blood is connected with lily
[15:40] <Poet> That Harry now can more easily use his scar connection to defeat Voldemort
[15:40] <bibs> am back
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[15:40] <iluvorly17> dd maybe knew that lv is now more human or mortal
[15:40] * cbm thinks that your questions are so hard today smile
[15:41] <Kneazly> It somehow makes him more vulnerable, but I have no idea how
[15:41] <Aquamarine> I have no idea on this one...
[15:41] <ProngsPatronus> I think that the gleam of triumph is connected to the fact that Harry's blood--full of Love, is now working its way through LV's system
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[15:41] <tinkertime> maybe voldy doesn't realize it is a two way stree - so to speak, and that will give Harry a way to get to Voldy -
[15:41] <ginginkat> LV needed Harry's blood for rebirth, is he now in debt to Harry?
[15:41] <JaneMarple9> yeah PP
[15:41] <RAVENKLAW> Well, Harry has half of Lily's DNA. It is connected!
[15:41] <fawkes28> i think it means that voldemort had just set his fate so that he will impale himself by his own sword
[15:41] <cbm> It has something to do with mr. blood, but I have no idea what
[15:41] <iluvorly17> which in turns, makes him easier to defeat, for harry
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[15:41] <ProngsPatronus> love is LV's venom/poison
[15:41] <JaneMarple9> couldn't say it better
[15:41] <bibs> because he knew that voldy had used up the soal inside him
[15:42] <tinkertime> mr. blood lol
[15:42] <Spectre> The very ritual is strange - why blood of an *enemy* is important?
[15:42] <bibs> harry is no longer a horcrux
[15:42] <akcalsyn> I think that the blood issue in one of the pieces that Harry will have to piece together. It is one thing I cannot even offer a theory on! It seems to be connected to Lily (and not just her love for her son) but that is as far as I got!
[15:42] <Poet> It's Lily's and James' blood and Voldemort killed them. Maybe its that Old Magic again
[15:42] <Princess> yeh maybe he's that little bit more human now he has harry's blood with all its protection, love and general harry-ness we all love
[15:42] <Spectre> It makes two enemies almost blood brothers when the potion is prepared
[15:42] <Princess> oh thts good poet.
[15:42] <bibs> i heart old magic
[15:42] <Aquamarine> But if it has to do with the love in Harry... is Voldemort just going to die because of that?
[15:42] <Princess> it'd be like deja vu all over again! biggrin
[15:43] <cbm> I like that poet
[15:43] <bookworm1102> maybe its part of the whole horecuxe thory the person who is destroying the horecruxes some how has to add there blood and in this case LVs blood in order for them to be destroyed
[15:43] <MorriganMuggle> one of the ancient laws of magic is that you can not do it to harm others so in breaking an ancient law LV is doomed from the start
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[15:43] <Aquamarine> It's going to be Voldemort like "I'm melting! The blood has love!" .... I don't really understand why that would happen all of a sudden, rather than when the blood first entered his system
[15:43] <Poet> Yes he is doomed smile
[15:43] <bibs> i think he used to be a horcrux and had the soul taken out of him in the grave yard
[15:43] <Spectre> Harry's blood will make Voldemort vulnerable to the Dursleys biggrin
[15:43] <Aquamarine> Now I have no idea what I am talking about.....
[15:43] <Kneazly> maybe it will be something unexpected--brother wand cores do unexpected things, brother blood lines cause unexpected consequences
[15:43] <RAVENKLAW> I think that, since Voldemort had already marked Harry as his equal, taking in a bit of Harry's blood would make him even more so. Prehaps that is what he was so happy about in GoF....
[15:43] <MafaldaWeasley> I think he assumed the protection, but taking Harry's blood. Maybe once he tried to kill him it will work like and UV and well, LV lose his powers or die..
[15:44] <tinkertime> agree Aqua
[15:44] <tinkertime> seems like there would have already been some effect
[15:44] <iluvorly17> great theory, kneazly
[15:44] <bibs> i need another drink
[15:44] <Princess> yessum
[15:44] <MorriganMuggle> Harry and LV wands cancelled each other out in 4... so if Harry is able to kill LV he will aborb LV's powers as well as what Dumbledore gives him
[15:44] <Poet> Maybe Voldemort literally can't do a successful AK against Harry now, due to that old blood magic
[15:44] <Aquamarine> I like Kneazly's idea too...
[15:44] <ProngsPatronus> equal also means a stalemate
[15:45] <futureweasley> ProngsPatronus wrote a great chapter for HarryPotterSeven about old magic...if you have some time this week (later today, cough), you should check it out at HarryPotterSeven.com
[15:45] <GadgetDon> In magic, isn't there a concept of similarity, where you can affect something by casting spells upon something similar? Maybe that's where the blood will come into effect
[15:45] <RAVENKLAW> Harry and LV cannot duel together! There wands will not work properly.
[15:45] <Poet> yes, we do have all those chess references - it could be the equivalent of a stalemate
[15:45] <MorriganMuggle> OH ty I will I'll check that out
[15:45] <ProngsPatronus> yes, there is, gadgetDon
[15:45] <fawkes28> it is an awesome chapter!
[15:45] <tinkertime> interesting Poet - if harry can't AK Voldy - who will?
[15:45] <bookworm1102> but for all we know ollivander was kiddnapped so LV could have a new wand so the whole pori incantartim thing cant happen
[15:45] <RAVENKLAW> Either Ron or Hermione prehaps.
[15:45] <Spectre> Stalemate doesn't mean "an equal position"
[15:45] <Poet> I think Ollivander is safe in hiding smile
[15:45] <MafaldaWeasley> maybe nobody will AK LV
[15:46] <Poet> Right, Harry has the upper hand on this one
[15:46] <RAVENKLAW> Ollivander can protect himself
[15:46] <bibs> i think the wand on the faded purple cusion was ravenclaws wand
[15:46] <Aquamarine> Tinkertime, I really don't see anyone AKing Voldemort
[15:46] <ProngsPatronus> stalemate means that one cancels out the other--you get a stagnation
[15:46] <futureweasley> me too bibs
[15:46] <Poet> I think that's why the gleem of triumph
[15:46] <MorriganMuggle> LV did not hear the whole Prophecy so he does not know that if he kills Harry he kills himself
[15:46] <akcalsyn> Yes, but bookworm LV would not get a new wand, he would have a new one made for HP. He would not give up HIS most powerful weapon!
[15:46] <RAVENKLAW> The guy has been around since before the A.D.s
[15:46] <bibs> im lost
[15:46] <Aquamarine> Bibs, when did it say the thing about the wand
[15:46] <RAVENKLAW> Surely he has learned enough to defend himself against LV
[15:46] <iluvorly17> me too, bibs again. lol
[15:46] <Spectre> It's rather "not enough power to win the game" - like, king and knight against king, it's impossible to win
[15:46] <akcalsyn> Yes, no AKing LV unless it is Snape!
[15:47] <bibs> i think in book one
[15:47] <MorriganMuggle> NO Harry did not master Occumency so that is his weakness
[15:47] <bibs> ill go get my book
[15:47] <bibs> brb
[15:47] <Aquamarine> thanks! i haven't noticed that before!
[15:47] <Aquamarine> brb to go get book one too
[15:47] <Spectre> and one can do a stalemate while having all the power to checkmate the opponent smile
[15:47] <RAVENKLAW> QUESTION: WHAT IS A P3 CHAT? I feel kinda stupid asking, but I don't know.
[15:47] <Poet> Post-Prince Predicitions
[15:48] <ProngsPatronus> Post-Prince Prediction
[15:48] <cbm> But Voldemort knows that if he lets harry in his mind, harry will hurt him, so he has to leave his occumency up
[15:48] <RAVENKLAW> Cool, thanks!
[15:48] <futureweasley> right, what Poet said
[15:48] <Aislinn> P3 just stands for Post Prince Predictions - it's shorthand smile
[15:48] <MorriganMuggle> I'm new to this too don't feel bad
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[15:48] <Aislinn> We will learn more about Dumbledore in Book 7. It is possible that one of the things we will find out is what spell Dumbledore was trying to cast on Voldemort in the Ministry. Who will provide this information to Harry? Did Dumbledore leave a Pensieve archive? Aberforth? Some other member of Dumbledore’s family? Voldemort himself?
[15:48] <Spectre> Somebody unexpected
[15:48] <Poet> I think Harry will inherit DD's notes and pensieve
[15:48] <bibs> yeah it one
[15:48] <Princess> Portrait! biggrin
[15:48] <MorriganMuggle> How is it that Dealth Eaters don't know LV and Snaple are not Mudblood
[15:48] <cbm> I think that we wll see aberforth. And hopefully he left harry more information
[15:48] <bookworm1102> i think that harry will use DDs pensive to maybe learn more about DD himself
[15:49] <bibs> chapter 5
[15:49] <MorriganMuggle> and what about Harry's grandparents
[15:49] <Aquamarine> Book one?
[15:49] <fawkes28> i dont think we are going to find out all of the answers to dumbledore's mysteries
[15:49] <MafaldaWeasley> do you guys really think that spell was that important? well, I guess that all that is important, including the tale of how DD got his hand whitered will come to harry throught a memory
[15:49] <Princess> i suppose its not a convo u have whilst in the D.E interview tongue
[15:49] <bibs> yeah chapter 5
[15:49] <fawkes28> but i do believe the pensieve and aberforth can help a bit
[15:49] <GadgetDon> Dumbledore must have left messages behind. Even if he did not know that he was going to be killed that night (and it seems likely he did) he will have left some information behind
[15:49] <ph63915> i hope to see the pensieve in use again...what a brilliant tool!
[15:49] <cbm> I agree fawkes
[15:49] <Aquamarine> okay ... looking
[15:49] <MorriganMuggle> LMAO Princess true
[15:49] <tinkertime> I thinnk Aberforth - also - I've noticed in all of the battles the "good guys" don't use DA or unforgivables - a good thing - but how do they ever defeat the bad guys?
[15:49] <akcalsyn> But DD also has a phoenix as his patronus/friend/pet. I think that the "great teacher" returning "on a higher plane" after death (Lord of the Rings, Narnia, Star Wars, etc.) will come into play in HP7. I think DD will tell him himself!
[15:50] <Aquamarine> do you know what page number?
[15:50] <Spectre> beyond the veil?
[15:50] <bibs> im lost again
[15:50] <bookworm1102> maybe he will see DD learning spells that Harry needs to know
[15:50] <Princess> omg! A Q ive been wondering for agess tinker!
[15:50] <MafaldaWeasley> yes, Fawkes. I doubt we are going to have answeres for everything
[15:50] <bibs> you all type fast
[15:50] <ProngsPatronus> DD is a great one for preparation
[15:50] <tinkertime> wand if they just incapacitate the baddys - then is it the spell DD used on grindewald?
[15:50] <Aquamarine> bibs, do you know what page number the wand thing was on? was it in ollivanders?
[15:50] <MorriganMuggle> I believe in life after dealth after all the body is just a shell. Dumbledore I don't doubt will guide Harry from the spirt world
[15:50] <bibs> 63 on uk edition
[15:51] <iluvorly17> this is random, but i have a ?. is there a chance sirius isn't dead
[15:51] <GadgetDon> JKR's been very clear about "dead is dead". He's not coming back. Whatever we see of Dumbledore will be past information left behind...notes, information charmed into a portrait, his will, the pensieve, perhaps other ways
[15:51] <MorriganMuggle> I would love to see a book eventually on James and Lily
[15:51] <Aquamarine> oh, i found it bibs!
[15:51] <Princess> that's interesting - it would avoid the whole 'soul-split-mania' wouldnt it smile
[15:51] <Aquamarine> smile
[15:51] <MorriganMuggle> I know he's dead PHYSICALLY
[15:51] <bibs> i love sirius
[15:51] <Princess> but therefore how does she class the portraits in the headmasters office
[15:51] <MorriganMuggle> there are ghosts and talking portraits so...
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[15:51] <Princess> (is that mcgonagalls now?)
[15:51] <ph63915> didnt jkr say she was "having trouble with DD" recently
[15:51] <akcalsyn> Yes, but I don't think DD is all "human" so "Dead is dead" would not really apply to him!
[15:51] <tinkertime> maybe the pensieve...I hope DD left harry some clues there
[15:51] <Princess> yeh!! biggrin
[15:52] <Princess> she told dan radcliffe bout it
[15:52] <iluvorly17> anyone?
[15:52] <tinkertime> but I also think he will get some info from Aberforth
[15:52] <GadgetDon> Ghosts are those afraid of death. Dumbledore isn't one of them. (But Voldemort is...will Voldemort become a ghost?)
[15:52] <bibs> help again
[15:52] <MorriganMuggle> In the magic realm anything is possible
[15:52] <bibs> im lost
[15:52] <Aquamarine> Yes, ph... but I am still a big fan of the time turner theory
[15:52] <cbm> She said she had a reason for killing Sirius, maybe we will find out if is more than getting rid of Harry's support on his journey
[15:52] <Kneazly> Didn't JK say the portraits are a kind of "imprint" and have limited powers?
[15:52] <bookworm1102> maybe harry will inhariet somthing from DD
[15:52] <bibs> you mean like ghosts
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[15:52] <MorriganMuggle> The truth about any ghosts is that they are shocked they are dead and can't accept it so they linger
[15:52] <bibs> inprint
[15:52] <Aislinn> she did, kneazly, but I think people put too much store in that statement
[15:52] <Aquamarine> I really think Harry might go back in time and speak to DD before his parents are killed
[15:52] <tinkertime> he's the only reference to DD's family that we have a clue about.
[15:52] <Poet> I think Harry will learn a bit more about Alchemy and old magic from something DD left behind
[15:52] <iluvorly17> thanks,cbm
[15:52] <MorriganMuggle> ANy member of the Order knew they might die against LV
[15:53] <Aislinn> it is clear that the portraits are able to think for themselves, and have reactions and emotions
[15:53] <ProngsPatronus> folks--we have a whole bunch of questions lined up for you! please do not ask extraneous questions
[15:53] <Spectre> Mr Binns may play a role...
[15:53] <MorriganMuggle> ok
[15:53] <Princess> yes aislinn
[15:53] <bibs> she uses things hidden in plain sight
[15:53] <Aislinn> Jo says an important question we should be asking is: “Why did Dumbledore have James’ Invisibility Cloak at the time of James’ death, given that Dumbledore could make himself invisible without a cloak?” Jo seems to hint that James lent the cloak for someone else to use
[15:53] <Aislinn> Someone else who had gone into hiding? Someone spying for Dumbledore? Jo has also told us that Snape was not hiding under the Invisibility Cloak on the night the Potters died.
[15:53] <bibs> T.H.I.P.S
[15:54] <bibs> he got it for petunia
[15:54] <Aquamarine> I think he got it for Harry.
[15:54] <iluvorly17> random. but is there a chance sirius' brother was killed by voldemort, cause he found out he had destroyed a horcrux?
[15:54] <MorriganMuggle> I don't trust Snape as far as I could throw him
[15:54] <Aquamarine> Older Harry, gone back in time, perhaps?
[15:54] <bookworm1102> maybe james knew somthing was going to happen on halloween
[15:54] <bibs> aqua is that the time travel theory
[15:54] <fawkes28> wow - there are so many questions that we need answered
[15:54] <MorriganMuggle> I think he was in love with Lily and therefore wanted to get James out of the way
[15:54] <Aquamarine> Yep bibs.
[15:54] <fawkes28> i dont know how she will fit it all in
[15:54] <tinkertime> What about Regulus?
[15:54] <Princess> lol morriganmuggle!:D
[15:55] <bibs> im goin with petunia
[15:55] <akcalsyn> I think DD planned to die -- he thought he could be of more help to HP that way. Don't forget the "bird" rising from DD's tomb. Phoenix anyone? I think JJK has left many hints that DD is DEAD but that he is not limited in death as he was not limited in life like most people.
[15:55] <Poet> Maybe Aberforth has borrowed it because he was on guard duty that night
Posted by: futureweasley Jul 15 2007, 04:22 PM
[15:55] <iluvorly17> any have a clue? on wat i said?
[15:55] <MafaldaWeasley> I'm going for a Muggle as well. Or maybe was the someone else who saw them being murdered, but of a lower magical capacity. I think of Aberforth, maybe
[15:55] <Spectre> Arabella?
[15:55] <Poet> I'd imagine that the Order would have guard duty just like they did in Book 5
[15:55] <GadgetDon> He may have given the cloak to Sirius because Sirius was going into hiding
[15:55] <bibs> do you think they had gaurd over the prophacy during the 1st war
[15:55] <Aislinn> someone had that cloak on that fateful night, and that person is going to have critical info for Harry, imo
[15:55] <bookworm1102> that makes sensepoet maybe james offerd it to help the order
[15:55] <ProngsPatronus> I can't imagine a reason anyone would want Harry to witness the deaths of his family
[15:55] <cbm> I do not think we have any clues yet for this question. My question would be who was using it? I have no idea, but there aren't that many order members left from the 1st war
[15:56] <bibs> i want to say petunia
[15:56] <MorriganMuggle> OHHH True Aislinn
[15:56] <MafaldaWeasley> but the Order already had many cloaks
[15:56] <bibs> im stuborn on that one
[15:56] <Princess> definitely aislinn. there's more than meets the eye there
[15:56] <Aislinn> I don't think there are many
[15:56] <Poet> As far as we've seen, just two cloaks
[15:56] <bibs> moody has them
[15:56] <Poet> Moody's and James
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[15:56] <Aislinn> Moony had two, and he had to loan one to another Order member
[15:56] <MorriganMuggle> yes true why was Harry the only one to have a cloak
[15:56] <tinkertime> i thought only Mad-Eye had another one
[15:56] <Poet> oh yeah
[15:56] <Poet> three
[15:56] <cbm> mody had 2
[15:56] <MorriganMuggle> ok
[15:56] <Princess> is there not 3? becos moody has to use his spare
[15:56] <bibs> brb, need to pee
[15:56] <Kneazly> Moody had two, but he lost one when Sturgis was caught
[15:56] <Spectre> gotta go folks, have a great time
[15:56] <cbm> moody lost his spare
[15:57] <fawkes28> bye spectre
[15:57] <Aislinn> but I think Moody only had two because he has a collection of objeccts in the battle vs. the dark side
[15:57] <Aquamarine> Bye!
[15:57] <Aislinn> I don't think he is typical
[15:57] <tinkertime> yep - two for Moody, one for James
[15:57] <bookworm1102> could maybe at the time peter borrowed it ? you right after they made the switch maybe peter borrowed to go into hiding then it some how got back to james
[15:57] <ProngsPatronus> bye, spectre
[15:57] <MorriganMuggle> maybe Tonks has one
[15:57] <MafaldaWeasley> and I believe that not many members would need it. DD didn't, I think auros wouldn't need it to hide themselves...so it's somebody of a lower magical capacity
[15:57] <ProngsPatronus> bye, aqua
[15:57] <Aquamarine> I'm not leaving
[15:57] <iluvorly17> QUESTION, DOES ANYONE THINK LIKE ME, THAT SIRIUS' BROTHER, COULD HAVE BEEN KILLED BY VOLDEMORT, CAUSE LV FOUND OUT HE DESTROYED A HORCRUX?
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[15:57] <tinkertime> bookworm has a good point - at that time they still trusted "the Rat"
[15:57] <akcalsyn> Silver invisibility cloaks, silver haired person who can become invisible. Maybe DD gave it to James.
[15:57] <MorriganMuggle> OHHHH Peter I had forgotten he was part of that group
[15:57] <cbm> I get the impression that they are very rare
[15:57] <Aislinn> Please don't post all in cas iluvorly17
[15:58] <Poet> Dumbledore knew what happened the night of the Potters' deaths and seems to have some amazingly accurate details. I think this is connected to that cloak somehow
[15:58] <Aislinn> caps
[15:58] <Joyhawk2121> testing
[15:58] <bibs> im never drinking again
[15:58] <JaneMarple9> yeah
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[15:58] <iluvorly17> sorry, aislinn
[15:58] <fawkes28> we see you joy
[15:58] <Joyhawk2121> thanks
[15:58] <Aquamarine> It's possible iluvorly....
[15:58] <MafaldaWeasley> yes Poet! and Aberforth is one of those on the watch
[15:58] <Aislinn> it is possible, in answer to your question
[15:58] <JaneMarple9> we're going to learn more about the cloak
[15:58] <futureweasley> iluvorly17, please check the top of your screen and click the box with my name in it. Thank you
[15:58] <MorriganMuggle> so we're back to the Pensieve and Harry learning about the night his parents were killed
[15:58] <MorriganMuggle> in that he will see who else was there
[15:59] <ProngsPatronus> I wonder...
[15:59] <Poet> Yes, it seems like Aberforth is an important key that we've purposely been kept from all this time because he will have important stuff to share that Jo didn't want us to know until Book 7
[15:59] <MorriganMuggle> I agree
[15:59] <ProngsPatronus> what if the Invisibility Cloak was for someone who couldn't do magic?
[15:59] <cbm> I think peter showed up that night to pick up voldemort's wand
[15:59] <GadgetDon> The problem with Harry going back in time and telling Dumbledore is that there's no chance Harry wouldn't tell DD about Peter's betrayal
[15:59] <tinkertime> whoever had it, left it there rather than take it with them - that seems odd to me
[15:59] <bibs> i have a question
[15:59] <Poet> Prongs, I think that's pretty close to the truth
[15:59] <akcalsyn> iluvorly17, no. I think if LV knew that RAB had his horcrux it would have come out! Think of how furious LV was with Lucius about accidently messing one up! I think that Black switched sides and that that is all LV needed to know to have him killed. I don't think he knew about the horcrux!
[15:59] <Aquamarine> Hmm, Prongs. Like Figg or Petunia? That would actually make a lot of sense
[15:59] <tinkertime> so peter would be a logical choice, cuase he turned into a rat
[15:59] <bibs> what happens to a wizards wand when they die
[16:00] <MafaldaWeasley> but the question is how was he seen it all, if not even DD apparently had access to Potter's house. I think that only Sirius and wormtail new the secret, then who was watching and how...and under the cloak confused07
[16:00] <Thetallman> Bibs- isn't it snapped in half?
[16:00] <Princess> i like Prongs' theory - becos i thnk tht would be very fitting....
[16:00] <bibs> is it
[16:00] <ProngsPatronus> Snape knew the secret
[16:00] <MorriganMuggle> what about Harry's Muggle Grandparents???
[16:00] <ProngsPatronus> LV knew the secret
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[16:00] <iluvorly17> thanks, akcalsyn. for ur input
[16:00] <cbm> how do you know snape knew the secret
[16:00] <Aquamarine> Bibs, it is snapped: according to the song sung by Hagrid and Slughorn in HBP
[16:00] <ProngsPatronus> and Hagrid knew the secret
[16:00] <bibs> thanks
[16:00] <Aquamarine> what secret?
[16:00] <MorriganMuggle> OHH and so does McGongall
[16:00] <GadgetDon> One of the big questions will be, who knew the secret. And how were they told in a way where they wouldn't know it was Peter that was the secretkeeper
[16:01] <JaneMarple9> yes hagrids wand is snapped in half
[16:01] <bibs> so then that might shoot down my raven claw wand theory
[16:01] <fawkes28> have a great chat - see you guys later smile
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[16:01] <Princess> bye fawkes!
[16:01] <futureweasley> bye fawkes
[16:01] <Aquamarine> bye !
[16:01] <tinkertime> bye fawkes
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[16:01] <ProngsPatronus> bye, fawkes
[16:01] <bookworm1102> could there have been a memory charm
[16:01] <Kneazly> I don't know if anyone was at the Potters under the cloak--all we know is that DD has it because James gave it to him
[16:01] <ProngsPatronus> hey, jadestar
[16:01] <bookworm1102> bye fawkes
[16:01] <JaneMarple9> it is in his lovely pink umbrella laugh
[16:01] <Aislinn> the Potters were betrayed less than a week after the secret keeper spell was enacted, so probably not too many people had been told
[16:01] <Joyhawk2121> bye Fawkes
[16:01] <Princess> lol jane
[16:01] <bibs> un less she was too important to have her wand snapped
[16:01] <cbm> also, just because you knew the secret of the fedelus(sp?) it does not mean you know who the secret keeper is, as it can be done by just reading a sheet of paper
[16:01] <ginginkat> bye fawkes
[16:01] <Poet> And as far as we can tell, DD didn't use the cloak himself
[16:01] <MorriganMuggle> LV was not immortal so to speak when he went to the Potters so he couldn't have seen anyone else there
[16:02] <bookworm1102> thats true cbm
[16:02] <tinkertime> i still think most of the clues (not that there are many) point to peter
[16:02] <Aislinn> that's true, cbm, since Harry didn't know DD was the one who wrote the note he saw
[16:02] <akcalsyn> DD said that he could be invisible without a cloak. He didn't need it.
[16:02] <Aquamarine> I have to go for a bit, hopefully I'll be back before the end of the chat!
[16:02] <bibs> lupin, sirius, hagrid, dd would intervine
[16:02] <futureweasley> Modly reminder...let's try to stick to the topic that has been asked by the moderator. Staying on topic will help everyone by focusing on what is being discussed. Thanks!
[16:02] <ProngsPatronus> DD could have had Peter write out any number of papers with the secret on it before he framed Sirius
[16:02] <Aislinn> see you aquamarine
[16:02] <Princess> bye aqua!
[16:02] <tinkertime> bye Aqua
[16:02] <futureweasley> bye aqua
[16:02] <bibs> bye
[16:02] <iluvorly17> bye guys, nice chatting with al of u. great ideas and theories
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[16:02] <MafaldaWeasley> well, PP I was talking about the good guys, and it's controvertial if Hagri knew the secret or not. Had he known the would known it as Peter and not Sirius who was the secret keeper. I think Hagrid didn't know.
[16:02] <Joyhawk2121> bye
[16:02] <Joyhawk2121> brb
[16:02] <bookworm1102> are you guys saying that peter sent harry the cloak? instead of DD?
[16:03] <MafaldaWeasley> so for me, that someone under the cloack it's a mistery hehehe
[16:03] <ProngsPatronus> bye, iluvorly
[16:03] <Poet> I don't think it is Peter or Sirius unless they left it behind in the rubble. Dumbledore didn't seem to suspect the secretkeeper had been switched so he probably saw neither of them after the Potter's deaths
[16:03] <Princess> bye!
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[16:03] <cbm> mafalda, you can learn the secret on a sheet of paper without meeting the secret keeper
[16:03] <bibs> i still think petunia
[16:03] <bibs> bye
[16:03] <tinkertime> I'm saying Peter was wearing the cloak the night the Potters were killed
[16:03] <Poet> neat idea bibs
[16:03] <futureweasley> bye iluvorly
[16:03] <Aislinn> OK, New topic: Jo won’t answer if Snape is evil or not because it will have such a huge impact on what will happen when Harry and Snape meet again: “I love the theories.” She implies here is that it is important for the story that Harry also not know the truth of Snape’s loyalties and motivations. What will Harry do when they meet next? What's going down between Snape and Harry?
[16:03] <MafaldaWeasley> DD didn't know it was Peter or he would have testified to save Sirius. He said himself he didn't know until Sirius was back
[16:03] <MorriganMuggle> Peter was playing both sides so that does make sense
[16:03] <bookworm1102> oh intersting tinker
[16:03] <Thetallman> If Peter was wearing the cloak, than how did DD get it?
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[16:04] <Princess> poke him in the eye laugh
[16:04] <MorriganMuggle> I don't doubt Harry is out to kill Snape for what he did to DD
[16:04] <bibs> i hate peter
[16:04] <tinkertime> peter turned into a rat to escape the scene - he couldn't take it with him
[16:04] <cbm> such a simple question smile
[16:04] <Aislinn> lol, cbm
[16:04] <Thetallman> Good point tinkertime
[16:04] <bookworm1102> i think harry will try to kill snape before snape can try to explain
[16:04] <futureweasley> yeah, I know how you feel cbm
[16:04] <futureweasley> laugh
[16:04] <Poet> .
[16:05] <ph63915> The enxt tine they meet Snape will need to do some fast talking!!!
[16:05] <Aislinn> I think that if Harry were to meet Snape early in the book, he would try to capture or kill him
[16:05] <ph63915> next time
[16:05] <MorriganMuggle> But the fact that LV and Snape are Mudbloods wouldn't one kill the other so that the truth does not get out
[16:05] <Aislinn> so I don't think he is going to see him early
[16:05] <akcalsyn> Snape will save Harry to honor his love for Lily. He just won't be nice to Harry in the process! He will help Harry defeat LV because Harry can't do the AK but Snape can. I think Peter will save Harry from Greyback with his "silver" hand! But I can't wait to find out what REALLY happens!
[16:05] <ProngsPatronus> I think Remus will be instrumental in bringing the two of them together
[16:05] <Princess> i dont even know how i feel about snape's evilness or goodness!
[16:05] <MafaldaWeasley> yes, bookworm, I think that's when Hermione comes to play to be the reason
[16:05] <tinkertime> I'm in the "Sape s Good" camp and therefore I think Harry must find out the truth and forgive Snape - if he kills him without all the facts - that just doesn't seem like Harry
[16:05] <ProngsPatronus> just as he did with Sirius and Harry
[16:05] <Poet> I love how harry says if he meets up with Snape it will be all the better for himself and the worse for Snape.
[16:05] <tinkertime> *oops Snape
[16:05] <akcalsyn> Not mudbloods, half bloods!
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[16:05] <bibs> i had a sorta vision of harry and snape in a darkened room talking about dds death being planned and then bella and narcissa capture harry
[16:05] <MafaldaWeasley> I think Moony would kcik Snape's butt hehehe
[16:06] <GadgetDon> The only that that may calm Harry down is if Dumbledore leaves a note saying that Snape killed him under his orders. And maybe the reason he's trusted Snape
[16:06] <MorriganMuggle> okay sorry wrong term lol
[16:06] <cbm> How can Harry ever forgive snape? Look at all of the actual harm snape has done to Harry.
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[16:06] <Princess> lol mafaldabiggrin
[16:06] <bibs> i heart lupin
[16:06] <Aislinn> I just can't envision that happening, gadgetdon
[16:06] <tinkertime> also look at all the times he has saved Harry
[16:06] <GadgetDon> Other than that, Snape will have to save Harry again and even then Harry won't be actually helped.
[16:06] <Aislinn> it seems so out of character for Dumbledore
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[16:06] <ProngsPatronus> I still think Remus will have something to do with it
[16:06] <cbm> tinker, there are not as many times as you probably think
[16:07] <bookworm1102> i think that we will only know the true answer, if we find out why DD trust snape
[16:07] <MafaldaWeasley> for me as well, Aislinn. So selfish of DD
[16:07] <Princess> he's the only one of the friends left now sad
[16:07] <Poet> I tend to agree tinkertime. We see how in Book 6 Harry is learning about Voldemort and almost having a little pity. I think the Snape/Harry relationship has to come to some sort of "forgiveness". I think Harry has to learn how to love his enemies to vanquich Voldemort
[16:07] <MorriganMuggle> No the only thing that will calm Harry if he corners Snape is if Fawkes calms him by his prenscene and he learns about Snape
[16:07] <tinkertime> ohh, there are quite a few...
[16:07] <Aislinn> agree, cbm
[16:07] <GadgetDon> What? Telling Harry that, if Snape killed Dumbledore, it was under his orders? I don't think so.
[16:07] <MafaldaWeasley> I don't think he did it
[16:07] <bibs> i think snape might be killed by finrir greyback
[16:07] <cbm> If snape told Harry that, harry would not believe him
[16:07] <bibs> rather him than lupin
[16:07] <MafaldaWeasley> telling Snape to kill him and live with his murder on his back forever
[16:07] <Princess> ohhh vengence!
[16:07] <Aislinn> Harry would not believe anything from Snape at this point in the story
[16:08] <Princess> too true
[16:08] <MorriganMuggle> sigh, true
[16:08] <ProngsPatronus> Harry listens to remus--just as he listened to Remus in the Shrieking Shack
[16:08] <cbm> I think snape is still under the second part of draco's vow as it was not time limited
[16:08] <Princess> i thnk we'd all find it hard to trust snape
[16:08] <Aislinn> he is going to have to learn something on his own, in order to change his mind
[16:08] <bibs> cough
[16:08] <MorriganMuggle> Harry has a temper that seems to over ride his better instincts
[16:08] <Thetallman> Very true Aislinn
[16:08] <Aislinn> if it needs to be changed
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[16:08] <bookworm1102> but to find out the reason why snape trust him, would be i guess DDs pensive
[16:08] <Aislinn> I personally think Harry is an excellent judge of character
[16:08] <MorriganMuggle> I think the Pensieve and what DD leaves him will help us figure Snape out
[16:08] <ProngsPatronus> I do, too
[16:08] <tinkertime> Harry is not a lieer or a torturer -I just can't see him causing harm to snape (or anyone) he couldn't Crucio Bella...
[16:08] <bibs> i still think snape might be killed by finrir greyback
[16:08] <JaneMarple9> yeah harry's a great judge of character
[16:09] <Aislinn> that's true, tinker
[16:09] <Princess> hmm except moody in book 4 tongue otherwise yeh i agree
[16:09] <MorriganMuggle> I don't trust Snape as far as I could thow him
[16:09] <JaneMarple9> just like Lupin
[16:09] <Poet> Harry learned pity for Wormtail, I think he as to learn pity for Snape as well. Somehow love will play a role in defeating Voldemort, and finding a bit of love for all his enemies will be important in my opinion
[16:09] <tinkertime> *oops massively bad typing today - i meant "killer"
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[16:09] <JaneMarple9> nor me Morrigan!
[16:09] <MafaldaWeasley> I think like you, Aislinn, that if Snape is good, harry will only trust him under a thing he sees with his own eyes, like when he had second thoughts about his father and sirius after seen snape's memories
[16:09] <Aislinn> hey, Moody even fooled dumbledore, princess
[16:09] <cbm> I think the real problem is, if you trust DDs judgement, you are more likely to trust Snape, I do not trust DD judgement
[16:09] <bibs> i heart lupin more
[16:09] <Princess> yeh i kno im just being stubborn smile
[16:09] <MorriganMuggle> Fenir is the name of the son from Norse God Loki . To kill Fenir in Norse mythology would bring on Ragnarok. Would Fenir play a vital role then?
[16:09] <ProngsPatronus> I agree, Poet
[16:09] <bibs> i trust snape
[16:09] <Aislinn> I trust his judgement, cbm, but I think he can be mistaken
[16:09] <ph63915> snape hated to be called a coward...i think thats because it has taken tremendous nerve to spy on LV fro DD
[16:09] <Thetallman> If Crouch Jr. could fool DD, than Snape can
[16:10] <futureweasley> bibs, please check the top of the screen and click the box with my name in it. Thank you! smile
[16:10] <Kneazly> That's good poet
[16:10] <Aislinn> I also think that when Dumbledore says he trusts Snape, he may be saying that he trusts Snape to act like Snape
[16:10] <akcalsyn> No Harry cannot forgive him. But Snape sacrificing himself to save Harry will help!
[16:10] <akcalsyn> I think Harry will TRY to revenge himself on Snape but not get the chance. In the end he will SEE that Snape dies to save him and he will understand!
[16:10] <cbm> I lost my trust in his judgement during OotP when he cut harry loose for the year to protect him
[16:10] <tinkertime> Harry's journey has been about laerning to NOT always trust his initial reactions....
[16:10] <GadgetDon> If you believe Snape was killing Dumbledore against Dumbledore's will, you have to believe that Dumbledore was pleading for his life. And Dumbledore isn't going to plead for his life
[16:10] <Princess> oh thats an interesting interpretation
[16:11] <Aislinn> It may seem a poor choice, cbm, but he didn't have good alternatives to choose
[16:11] <MorriganMuggle> one of the last vital lessons DD taught him was that not all magic is incantations and spell work. It's what you see, feel, and sense
[16:11] <Aislinn> He was right that Voldy would have been able to see the closeness between the two of them, if he had acted differently
[16:11] <tinkertime> DD might not always be right - but neither is harry - he's made some pretty bad initial decisions about people...
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[16:11] <Poet> MorriganMuggle - I love the connections to the Norse myths in Harry Potter smile
[16:11] <akcalsyn> Yes, Gadget Tom! DD PLANNED to die and Snape argued that he did not want to kill him! But DD made him and that there is a reason why he has to be dead to be the most help to Harry.
[16:11] <futureweasley> hi jadestar
[16:11] <MorriganMuggle> ty
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[16:11] <bibs> oh no ive broke a nail
[16:12] <ph63915> snape was also still teaching harry right at the end
[16:12] <Aislinn> I really disagree with that notion akcalsyn
[16:12] <cbm> akcalsyn, the evidence can also be read other ways
[16:12] <ProngsPatronus> I do not believe that DD would want anyone's soul torn on his behalf
[16:12] <ProngsPatronus> that is not the DD I know
[16:12] <MorriganMuggle> but why did DD look so shocked and surrpised when Snape pointed a wand and killed him
[16:12] <Princess> definitely prongs
[16:12] <MorriganMuggle> No I don't think DD saw that one coming
[16:12] <Kneazly> that's what I had trouble with too, prongs
[16:12] <bookworm1102> wasnt he begging snape not to kill him though?
[16:12] <futureweasley> bibs, please look to the top of the screen and click the box with my name in it. Acknowledge here by typing "got it, future". Thank you.
[16:12] <tinkertime> DD told Harry to do whatever he instructed in the cave...
[16:12] <Thetallman> MorriganMuggle, where did it say that DD was surprised?
[16:13] <cbm> He also told draco right before that there was no unbreakable vow
[16:13] <MorriganMuggle> hold on book is right here one sec
[16:13] <ProngsPatronus> we don't know for sure what DD was pleading with Snape to do--that is the truth
[16:13] <cbm> that was wrong
[16:13] <Poet> DD's face actually is never described. Sirius however had surprise on his face
[16:13] <Poet> too true Prongs
[16:13] <bibs> got it future
[16:13] <MafaldaWeasley> me neither. ow, wehre's MrM and Expie when I need them! hahaha
[16:13] <Princess> biggrin
[16:13] <bookworm1102> I guess i read it wrong
[16:14] <akcalsyn> No, i think he was begging Snape to KILL him! DD was not afraid of death. He would not have begged to live. He would, however, have begged Snape to kill him if he saw how hard it was for Snape to do so. Snape didn't know DD HAS to die for HP to succeed. The shock, was just the shock of death!
[16:14] <Thetallman> I believe the only reaction we saw from DD was him pleading for something.
[16:14] <Poet> We don't know. I do know that Harry will try and fight Snape again should they meet
[16:14] <tinkertime> whatever happened on the tower - I still cannot see Harry killing Snape -it just doesn't fit harry's character
[16:14] <Aislinn> There's a redemptive pattern to Snape. . . Snape have love? Rowling: "It is, isn’t it ... I got ... There’s so much I wish I could say to you, and I can’t because it’d ruin I’m slightly stunned that you’ve said that - erm - and you’ll find out why I’m so stunned if you read book 7. And that’s all I’m going to say." What about that question so stunned Jo? Redemption or love for Snape?
[16:14] <Princess> i agree tinker
[16:14] <MafaldaWeasley> yes Poet, I can see something like Harry asking who wants to see Snapes undies...
[16:14] <MorriganMuggle> I think Snape really loved Lily
[16:14] <Kneazly> Redemption; I have real trouble with the Snape loved Lily theory
[16:15] <futureweasley> I can't believe I didn't use this quote from Jo when I wrote my essay about Snape and Petunia
[16:15] <MorriganMuggle> I think he resents Harry being James son not his
[16:15] <ProngsPatronus> I think the fact that there was a redemptive pattern to Snape floored her
[16:15] <akcalsyn> True, Prongs! We don't know what DD was begging. But JKR gives us a lot of hints about DD and Snape and they do not point (in my opinion) to Snape killing DD for pleasure or Begging to live.
[16:15] <bibs> mayb snape swaps sides about 20 times throughout the book
[16:15] <Poet> I think this quote is tied to the reason Snape gave DD for wanting to join the Order
[16:15] <tinkertime> Snape is sooo doomed to die in DH - his whole journey leads to it - to just kill himoff would be so unsatisfying - that's why I think there has to be a redemption of sorts
[16:15] <futureweasley> seriously, he totally loved someone, for was loved by someone...and I don't think it was Lily or his Mother
[16:15] <JaneMarple9> snape's snape's man - not dumbledores man or voldies man
[16:15] <Poet> I agree, Snape will die
[16:15] <bibs> see my finrir theory
[16:15] <bookworm1102> maybe she was floored that we did nt figure out somthing she thought would be easy to catch
[16:15] <cbm> I do not think snape swaps sides, I think he is just trying to survive the war
[16:15] <JaneMarple9> oh yes poet
[16:16] <Poet> And often death brings a type of redemption
[16:16] <JaneMarple9> snape has to die!!
[16:16] <Kneazly> Snape will do something that redeems killing DD
[16:16] <Poet> and often people die or sacrifice for love
[16:16] <tinkertime> and the way EVERYONE in the books skirts around any info about Lily...she's just got to be a factor
[16:16] <MafaldaWeasley> first seh said it was awful to imagine Snape being in love with somebody, then she said that. So I go for a choice of redemption
[16:16] <Darkspellmaster> I think it was more the nature of the fact that someone noticed it that early on in the series. I mean was it book three or something, when that question came out Aislinn?
[16:16] <GadgetDon> I do think Snape loved Lily. Maybe not romantic love, maybe more like Remus Lupin. She saw something of value in him that no one else saw.
[16:16] <MorriganMuggle> okay it says on page 395 that quietly DD said "Severus" and "for the first time DD was pleading"
[16:16] <bibs> i heart lupin
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[16:17] <futureweasley> how can you NOT love Lily? To know her, evidently, was to love her
[16:17] <akcalsyn> JKR keeps saying that LOVE is the most important thing of all. I think in the final book she will show proof -- that Snape loves Lily that THAT is the reason that DD rightly trusted him. Etc.
[16:17] <Thetallman> Pleading for what though? Not death; DD din't fear death.
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[16:17] <GadgetDon> Yes, MorriganMuggle, but was DD pleading NOT to kill him, or TO kill him?
[16:17] <Aislinn> it was quite a while ago, darkspellmaster, you're right
[16:17] <Poet> I agree, it seems that everyone - even the head of Slytherin - thought Lily was great
[16:17] <Aquamarine> Hello again!
[16:17] <tinkertime> there is a line in one of the books about the dangers of obsessive love - i think that is what Snape had for lily - unrequitedn
[16:17] <Princess> hey aqua
[16:17] <Princess> biggrin
[16:17] <Aquamarine> What topic are we discussing now?
[16:17] <MorriganMuggle> OH.... good point Don iI never looked at it like that
[16:17] <Darkspellmaster> I don't think though Akcalsyn that he LOVED her in the way James loved her.
[16:17] <ProngsPatronus> the interesting thing about redemption is that one has to have done real wrong in order to be redeemed
[16:17] <Aislinn> we are talking about the quote about redemptive love and its relation to Snape
[16:17] <MafaldaWeasley> I doubt Snape has ever loved Lily. If he loved somebody I would say Narcissa, cause she's pureblood, from a respected family, all Snape wanted jn life
[16:17] <Darkspellmaster> It was probably more of a respect thing. Both from Muggles and maybe from not so well off families?
[16:18] <Aquamarine> okay, thanks Aislinn!
[16:18] <Poet> I tend to agree akcalysn. Since it was Lily (and her family) that was threatened by Voldemort, that those that had feelings for Lily would want to protect her.
[16:18] <MorriganMuggle> the name Lily means "Pure" so all that knew her knew of her pure heart and kindness towards otheres. Snape knew no kindess from anyone but Lily
[16:18] <cbm> Also, if he were working for DD and on the good side all of this time, why would he need redemtion?
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[16:18] <ProngsPatronus> we are NOT talking about Snape and Lily, though
[16:18] <GadgetDon> He has done wrong. He served as a death eater before changing sides. And he's been very cruel to Harry, even if he does do the right thing when the chips go down.
[16:18] <MafaldaWeasley> and one must forgive himself, Prongs to be redeemed completly
[16:18] <Aislinn> Motivation matters to me, too, gadget
[16:18] <Poet> I think that Jo's quote was about Lily though smile
[16:18] <akcalsyn> Dark Spell- Definitely Snapes was a selfish love while James was selfless but they both help Harry out in the end! And I think Snape's finite love was only felt for Lily so she was his "greatest love" even if his love wasn't so great!
[16:18] <bibs> ive had a chocolate emergancy brb
[16:18] <ph63915> I dont believe spe was just trying to stay alive. Surely he would have been better off just running then playing double agent for so many years. Snape is DDs man and i think it stems from his love of lily and LV killing her.
[16:19] <ProngsPatronus> forgiveness and redemption are not the same thing
[16:19] <Aislinn> If he does the right thing in the next book, but it is out of some selfish and bitter reason, I will never see him as loyal to DD or Harry
[16:19] <MafaldaWeasley> yes, Poet. it was about that kind of love on the begining. if you read the complete quote you can see it
[16:19] <MorriganMuggle> I agree Aislinn
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[16:19] <cbm> Look at karkorov when he ran, he also ended up dead
[16:19] <Darkspellmaster> Could be redeption of himself for the guilt he's feeling cmb, thanks for the notice Aislinn.
[16:19] <ph63915> karkorov didnt run very far though!
[16:19] <Kneazly> They're not the same thing, but maybe harry will have to forgive him before he can be redeemed
[16:20] <MorriganMuggle> But the connection he shares with LV besides parents is both are doing magic for selfish reasons and have selfish hearts
[16:20] <cbm> we also do not know if the mark allows the DEs to be tracked
[16:20] <MafaldaWeasley> karkaroff never forgave himself, never picked a side. He was always afraid. I don't see Snape as one of being afraid
[16:20] <tinkertime> redemption IMHO requires some act of self-sacrafice in order for there to be meaning - you can't just say "oh - I've done wrong, but know I'm better" smile
[16:20] <bookworm1102> I think snape maybe loved her not a romantic way or a staker way but maybe as a friend but he didnt like the fact that she fell for his enemy , therefore he feels that he has to be mean to harry and that maybe he also mean yet good because of a pride thing
[16:20] <Princess> i still dont know whether hes good or bad. there was definitely signifcance in the unbreakable vow scene in snape's house - for more than that reason - his reactions to narcissa are unlike any we've seen snape have with anyone.
[16:20] <Aquamarine> agreed tinkertime
[16:20] <cbm> I am sure he is bad
[16:21] <cbm> make that fairly sure
[16:21] <Aislinn> lol
[16:21] <Princess> maybe that was the love reference
[16:21] <bibs> am back
[16:21] <Princess> wb
[16:21] <MorriganMuggle> I truly don't think Snape can be redeemed unless he dies by taking a curse meant for Harry
[16:21] <ph63915> i think he's a nasty piece of work but still works for the good side
[16:21] <MorriganMuggle> Snape works for one one but himself
[16:21] <bibs> agreed
[16:21] <tinkertime> If Jo didn't want harry to know, then we probably don't have enough info - except for our intuition smile
[16:22] <cbm> the problem is that we have NO unambiguous evidence that he is working for the good side
[16:22] <MorriganMuggle> but what is in it for Snape
[16:22] <GadgetDon> Snape has clearly had a relationship with the Malfoys since Voldemort's first fall. So I can see him having some feelings for Narcissa...and even for Draco. Though like the Dursleys, he's never understood that giving everything people want isn't a good way of caring.
[16:22] <Aislinn> that is what I believe as well, MorriganMuggle
[16:22] <MafaldaWeasley> yes Morrigan!!!!!!!! I think he worked for his own until the tower, than he made a choice
[16:22] <Darkspellmaster> Would you say the same of Bohimer in LotR's Cbm? Several characters in various books have followed Snape's route, and most if not all have actually been good. I can't think of them right now. Which sucks, but I know there's been several. Estalla from Great Expectations.
[16:22] <futureweasley> we only have DD's word. For some, that's good enough
[16:22] <Princess> that's a good point gadget
[16:24] <cbm> I think she is talking about aberforth when she said that
[16:24] <Aquamarine> ahh princess... now I'm feeling really bad for Dumbledore!
[16:24] <tinkertime> arrgh - 150 years without a family - how sad
[16:24] <MorriganMuggle> someone mentioned to me last night that maybe DD is descendent from Merlin.
[16:24] <Darkspellmaster> I've always seen DD as an Obi wan type character. Harry is his child, same as Luke was Obi wan's.
[16:24] <bookworm1102> for some reason the ancestory question makes me think that if harry isnt the griffindor heir maybe dd is that would explain why he has the sword
[16:24] <MorriganMuggle> Merlin kept to himself
[16:24] <JaneMarple9> i thinks dumbledore was a muggle born
[16:24] <Thetallman> I don't think DD ever married. I do think that Aberforth will play a key part in book seven though.
[16:24] <tinkertime> hopefully he at least had a few dates smile
[16:24] <Princess> sorry aqua smile
[16:24] <JaneMarple9> hat why he likes muggles so much
[16:24] <bibs> i dont know star wars is obi wan the robot
[16:24] <Aquamarine> Lol tinkertime!
[16:24] <MafaldaWeasley> yes, Book worm. maybe, then he would be very sure of Griffindor's items
[16:24] <GadgetDon> However, he could have been reliving a family's death when taking the potion in the cave. Possibly by Grindelwald
[16:25] <Aquamarine> Jane, that's interesting about Dumbledore being muggleborn...
[16:25] <MorriganMuggle> Now it's my opion that the Sword is Harry's by right. To take the Sword out of the case might be like Arthur taking the Sword from the Stone
[16:25] <Kneazly> I have no support for this idea, but I think DD loved someone, but WWII and Grindewald intervened
[16:25] <MorriganMuggle> No i would not doubt DD had a muggle mother
[16:25] <Darkspellmaster> lol no bibs, Obi wan is the old guy that told Luke to use the force.
[16:25] <futureweasley> oh, I agree Kneazly
[16:25] <bibs> i love him
[16:25] <cbm> I just remember who boromer was and think he is an angel compared to snape as he never pledged himself to evil
[16:25] <bibs> then whos the robot
[16:26] <futureweasley> I'm almost convinced that he was Married...and even might have had kids
[16:26] <Darkspellmaster> Can two brother's from a muggle family be born with wizarding blood though?
[16:26] <Thetallman> DD probably has very important ancestry. Did JKR say something about DD being so good at magic because he had good teachers at Hogwarts? Plus the fact that he was already gifted?
[16:26] <futureweasley> and Grindelwald messed it up for him
[16:26] <Princess> yeh the creeveys darkspell
[16:26] <GadgetDon> Obiwan is the man who told Luke to turn off the targetting computer. Clearly a double-agent
[16:26] <tinkertime> i like that theory future...
[16:26] <MorriganMuggle> which leads me to wonder why Lily's family other then her sister is the only one we know about
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[16:26] <Aquamarine> McGonagall....
[16:26] <MorriganMuggle> OF Course
[16:26] <bibs> then whosdarth vader
[16:27] <bookworm1102> sorry guys but i gotta go
[16:27] <MorriganMuggle> bye book
[16:27] <bibs> bye#
[16:27] <Thetallman> Let's not get off topic with Star Wars please...
[16:27] <Princess> bye bookworm!
[16:27] <Aquamarine> Bye bookworm!
[16:27] <GadgetDon> I think JKR has said that the only living relative from either families is Petunia
[16:27] <tinkertime> bye bookworm
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[16:27] <bibs> group hug
[16:27] <Aislinn> JKR has indicated: As you can guess from the end of Book 6, the founders of Hogwarts will play “some” kind of role in Book 7. Before he died, Dumbledore figured out the connection between the founders and the Horcruxes. Will Harry’s quest teach us more about the founders and history of Hogwarts?
[16:27] <Princess> oh that's interesting
[16:27] <Kneazly> Hope so!
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[16:27] <GadgetDon> And I think she ruled out either grandparent having been killed in the war
[16:27] <Darkspellmaster> Probably
[16:27] <Thetallman> I'm sure.
[16:27] <tinkertime> I think so too
[16:27] <Aquamarine> Definetly
[16:28] <MafaldaWeasley> hehe if he askes somebody he will ask hermione
[16:28] <Princess> yey
[16:28] <futureweasley> yes, I truly believe we will have some very rich backstory to speculate about
[16:28] <ph63915> well i guess we'll find out about some founders relics...
[16:28] <Aislinn> I think we're going to learn a lot more about the Founders
[16:28] <cbm> With Hermione around using her encyclopedic knowledge of hogwarts, a history, I am sure we will smile
[16:28] <MorriganMuggle> I have seen in the posts that Godric's Hollow where Harry was born ... that was the founder of Gryfinndor
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[16:28] <JaneMarple9> yeah aislinn
[16:28] <GadgetDon> Well, we know that the Giant Squid is Godric Gryffindor's animagus form, so we'll learn something from him.
[16:28] <JaneMarple9> finately
[16:28] <Aislinn> and that Harry may be instrumental in healing the rift between the Slytherins and the Gryffindors
[16:28] <JaneMarple9> definately
[16:28] <MafaldaWeasley> or the sorting hat, maybe. JO said the sorting hat was more than it seens
[16:28] <Princess> hermione is fab
[16:28] <Aquamarine> LOl don
[16:28] <Darkspellmaster> I just had a thought, could we be seeing that Book of History that Hermione kept using in the first two books?
[16:28] <MorriganMuggle> that's wouldn't doubt about the Sorting Hat
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[16:28] <MorriganMuggle> Sorting Hat knows more then anyone but DD
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[16:29] <futureweasley> the sorting hat has a "bit" of each of the founders in it...
[16:29] <Kneazly> Yeah, maybe the sorting hat can give historical information
[16:29] <Thetallman> Question- the Sorting Hat belonged to Godric Gryffindor, correct?
[16:29] <Aquamarine> But the sorting hat isn
[16:29] <Aquamarine> yes
[16:29] <lucypickles> yes
[16:29] <MorriganMuggle> I believe so
[16:29] <JaneMarple9> perhaps
[16:29] <tinkertime> I think the sorting hat has more to say - it's been getting more vocal!
[16:29] <futureweasley> yes, that's canon
[16:29] <cbm> I find the sorting hat interesting, I want to know, did it summon the sword, or was it stored there
[16:29] <bibs> maybe slytheryn dated helga hufflepuff and is geolous when godric stole her away
[16:29] <MafaldaWeasley> the Hat belonged to Griffindor yes,
[16:29] <Princess> true
[16:29] <lucypickles> jk said it would
[16:29] <Princess> oh lord
[16:29] <MorriganMuggle> which is why The Sorting Hat pondered what house to put Harry in. He could feel LV's mark but, Harry's true ancestory
[16:30] <cbm> and Harry made a choice
[16:30] <Thetallman> Ok, just making sure.
[16:30] <Aquamarine> Morrigan, but Harry isn't the heir of Gryffindo
[16:30] <MorriganMuggle> yes he did
[16:30] <Aquamarine> *r
[16:30] <MorriganMuggle> I think he is related to the Heir
[16:30] <bibs> whos grythendo
[16:30] <MorriganMuggle> my opion
[16:30] <MafaldaWeasley> it summoned, fawkes, cuase the sowrd was inside DD's office on a glass since firs when LV tried to become a teacher. If it was not summoned then it was fawkes.
[16:30] <lucypickles> if he is related to the heir then he would be an heir
[16:30] <Aquamarine> Related by blood?
[16:30] <Darkspellmaster> The hat said it saw the determination in him, but he didn't want to go to Slytherin.
[16:30] <Aquamarine> That doesn't make sense.
[16:31] <cbm> It was never seen in the series before it came out of the hat
[16:31] <MorriganMuggle> Godric's Hollow is Godric Gryfinndor
[16:31] <MafaldaWeasley> mm but I think Fawkes once belonged to Godric
[16:31] <Aquamarine> JKR debunked the "Harry is the Heir" theory
[16:31] <MorriganMuggle> OH did she well... hmmm
[16:31] <MorriganMuggle> back to the drawing board
[16:31] <bibs> i dont know
[16:31] <bibs> help
[16:31] <Aquamarine> That's an interesting thought Mafalda.... but would DD have known that
[16:31] <bibs> my head hurts
[16:31] <Aquamarine> ?
[16:31] <MorriganMuggle> But the Dealthy Hollows is Godric's Hollow where it will all come down to
[16:31] <futureweasley> I also think she debunked the fawkes theory. Fawkes has only ever "partnered" with DD. I say "partnered" with DD, because I don't think fawkes can be "owned"
[16:31] <MorriganMuggle> yes I'm getting a headache as well lol
[16:32] <Darkspellmaster> Maybe he would have. I mean did it say on the sword that it was owned by GG?
[16:32] <tinkertime> I've gotta go - taking my little sister to see OotP! Bye All! Enjoy Book 7!
[16:32] <MafaldaWeasley> no, but when we see it on the memory we see the sword at DD's office when Tom tries to get the DADA teacher
[16:32] <Princess> *sighs*
[16:32] <bibs> bye
[16:32] <futureweasley> bye Tink
[16:32] <Aquamarine> hAllows, not hOllows
[16:32] <Aislinn> I agree future
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[16:32] <MorriganMuggle> All witches and Wizards have familars. Fawkes is DD Familiar
[16:32] <Princess> enjoy the film! biggrin
[16:32] <JaneMarple9> I hate Godrics HOLLOW and Deathlt HALLOWS
[16:32] <Aislinn> he is not a pet, he is a companion
[16:32] <Thetallman> I think that JKR said that Fawkes was only ever DD's
[16:32] <JaneMarple9> sorry for caos
[16:32] <Aislinn> or familiar, yes MorriganMuggle
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[16:32] <Darkspellmaster> Wait if the sword was already out of the hat, does that mean that DD put it in there for Harry to find?
[16:32] <JaneMarple9> it is so easy to get muddled with
[16:33] <MafaldaWeasley> interesting Morrigan.
[16:33] <Kneazly> bye
[16:33] <Aquamarine> bye!
[16:33] <bibs> bye
[16:33] <Aquamarine> Interesting Darkspellmaster
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[16:33] <Thetallman> In Fantastic Beasts, it says that Phoenixes are hard to tame, and I think JKR confirmed that DD tamed Fawkes himself.
[16:33] <RAVENKLAW> Where is everyone going?
[16:33] <GadgetDon> I don't recall it saying that the sword was on display in the pensieve memory with Riddle visiting
[16:33] <cbm> no idea on where the sword was before it came out of the hat
[16:33] <Aislinn> A few of the Hogwarts professors have spouses, but the information is restricted — we’ll find out why! Could this be related to her statement about how we need to learn more about Dumbledore’s family? Why was the information restricted? What possible harm could it cause?
[16:33] <bibs> no idea
[16:33] <JaneMarple9> yes
[16:33] <cbm> I have no idea either
[16:34] <futureweasley> I think yes
[16:34] <JaneMarple9> i think there is a Mr McGonagall
[16:34] <MorriganMuggle> I get a headache thinking about that one Aislinn
[16:34] <MafaldaWeasley> on a glass on DD's room. Guys, it's canon. DD's memory on HBP
[16:34] <Aquamarine> lol
[16:34] <JaneMarple9> (and not our Leaky Lounge one! laugh)
[16:34] <RAVENKLAW> Maybe there is a Mrs. Flitwick
[16:34] <bibs> well we all kno that snape is maried to madame hooch
[16:34] <MorriganMuggle> the Sword is in a Glass Case
[16:34] <Princess> maybe its like the harry ginny thing - its a vulnerable target and weapon for voldie to use
[16:34] <lucypickles> that would make sense
[16:34] <Thetallman> Hmmm, interesting. When I read that quote I thought McGonagall for some reason.
[16:34] <MorriganMuggle> LV loves no one but himself
[16:34] <bibs> mrs flitwick is probably a sixfoot supermodle
[16:34] <JaneMarple9> seriously i don't think dumbledore ever maried
[16:34] <Aquamarine> I can't really see a Mrs. Dumbledore though....
[16:35] <Darkspellmaster> Probably.
[16:35] <Joyhawk2121> maybe for protection from LV...idk
[16:35] <JaneMarple9> laugh aqua!
[16:35] <MafaldaWeasley> Imagine so angry student sending the spouse some gift hehe
[16:35] <RAVENKLAW> Good one, bibs
[16:35] <MorriganMuggle> but is DD related to Harry in some way
[16:35] <lucypickles> no its one of the teachers
[16:35] <ph63915> not just protection from LV but from the death eaters
[16:35] <MafaldaWeasley> I think of Flitwick
[16:35] <Thetallman> I doubt that DD ever married. He seems more like the lone mentor type.
[16:35] <lucypickles> i think jk said they are not related
[16:35] <JaneMarple9> its possible dumbledore and harry are related
[16:35] <RAVENKLAW> Prehaps. They're definitely, in some way or another, related to Gryffindor
[16:35] <GadgetDon> Um, I'm rereading the memory chapter, and I don't see any reference to the sword
[16:35] <MafaldaWeasley> I think he has been blackmailed
[16:36] <lucypickles> who
[16:36] <MorriganMuggle> The sword is mentioned in the last chapter of book 6
[16:36] <Darkspellmaster> Some one once suggested to me that the reason it was restricted was because at some time Grimwald actually discovered someone's wife or husband and killed them.
[16:36] <JaneMarple9> but more likely to have dumbledore and the weasleys be related
[16:36] <MorriganMuggle> it is the Gryfinndor sword
[16:36] <bibs> we all know magonical had a thing for dd
[16:36] <Aquamarine> No, I don't think it is really possible that Harry and DD are related ... JKR said Lily Evan's parents were muggles and harry's grandparents on James' side died of a wizard illness.
[16:36] <futureweasley> I think that Filch is married too...to another member of the Staff at Hogwarts...Madam Pince
[16:36] <JaneMarple9> smile
[16:36] <Aquamarine> smile
[16:36] <Aislinn> that one I buy, future
[16:36] <JaneMarple9> ats possible future
[16:36] <bibs> umbridge
[16:37] <Aquamarine> lol
[16:37] <Darkspellmaster> I've heard the suggestion that Snape might have been. Though I doubt it. *laughs*
[16:37] <JaneMarple9> a mr umbridge - noooooooo!
[16:37] <lucypickles> that would be a pair
[16:37] <Aquamarine> smile
[16:37] <MorriganMuggle> Thought Filtch was married to his cat... a woman turned into a cat lol
[16:37] <Darkspellmaster> Lord, that would be a cruelty unto the world, a Mr. Umbridge.
[16:37] <futureweasley> I think it's funny that Harry and Hermione are Filch/Pince shippers
[16:37] <bibs> snape and madam hootch
[16:37] <MorriganMuggle> that last part I was joking lol
[16:37] <Thetallman> I don't anyone could ever marry Umbridge.
[16:37] <lucypickles> no jk said ms norris is not an animagus
[16:37] <Aquamarine> What about Madam Pince.,,,, *stops, wondering if that would be too off topic*
[16:37] <RAVENKLAW> Fudge could
[16:37] <GadgetDon> Yes, but that's present day. Long after Harry pulled the sword from the hat. Nothing to suggest that the hat was in Dumbledore's office before harry pulled it from the hat.
[16:38] <Thetallman> Even Fudge isn't that stupid.
[16:38] <MorriganMuggle> They were both in the office the last time Harry was in there before the funeral
[16:38] <futureweasley> Aqua, were you going to go down the narrow and twisty path that is "Pince is Snape's Mother"?
[16:38] <RAVENKLAW> No, probably not.
[16:38] <MorriganMuggle> I think the Minsitry is in the paycheck of LV in someway
[16:38] <bibs> im not sure about that one
[16:38] <GadgetDon> Yes. In present day. But where was it before harry pulled it from the hat in Chamber of Secrets?
[16:39] <Aquamarine> Yes...
[16:39] <futureweasley> lol, I don't think it's too far off topic
[16:39] <MorriganMuggle> Ohhh I forgot about that one Don
[16:39] <MorriganMuggle> ok
[16:39] <lucypickles> in dd possession
[16:39] <futureweasley> and I agree...yes, I think she is
[16:39] <Aquamarine> I didn't know if we were talking just spouses ... or family in general
[16:39] <GadgetDon> I think there are some people at the ministry working for Voldemort. I doubt the minister though
[16:39] <futureweasley> I think that we will see more "family connections" all around in DH
[16:39] <MorriganMuggle> I agree
[16:39] <lucypickles> def
[16:40] <Joyhawk2121> I think she is too Future
[16:40] <MorriganMuggle> we could go round and round but DH is where all the answers are
[16:40] <Thetallman> I always assumed that the sword had been in the hat ever since Gryffindor had died. That DD only knew about it from legend.
[16:40] <futureweasley> the wizarding community is not HUGE in the UK...I think that families are all intertwined, as is evident by the Black family tree
[16:40] <cbm> I do not expect to see them as we have not seen them before, I only expect to see them if they affect the plot in some way
[16:40] <MorriganMuggle> No I had forgottten about the sword until I re read the last book
[16:40] <bibs> my mum thinks that pince = prince
[16:40] <Aquamarine> I think so too (about the Snape's mother thing) I mean... Irma Pince? That's an name that can be easily re-arranged
[16:40] <futureweasley> Irma Pince = Im a Prince
[16:40] <bibs> wheres mr blood when you need him
[16:41] <Thetallman> What would be the point of having her be Snape's mother though?
[16:41] <GadgetDon> Dang, future, that's GOOD
[16:41] <futureweasley> I credit my buddy, soonergryffindor, with that one
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[16:41] <akcalsyn> gotta go. Thanks! alicia
[16:41] <Aquamarine> I think she would be able to provide some insight about Snape's past....
[16:41] <futureweasley> bye akcalsyn
[16:41] <Aislinn> Jo: "At least one of the remaining Horcruxes is pretty easy to guess at if you are a careful reader." Have you guessed it? LOL are you certain?
[16:41] <Princess> byee!
[16:41] <Darkspellmaster> But if it's Snape's mother why did she say "Spouses are restricted" not "Family is restricted."
[16:41] <RAVENKLAW> Maybe the Sorting Hat has his own branch of magic, and he could have summoned it. Remember, DD said that "only a true Gryffindor could have pulled that sword out of the hat." Well, the Sorting Hat is from Gryffindor. Maybe he can summon it to Harry Potter.
[16:41] <cbm> the best theory I have heard is that she is being protected there as she had married a muggle
[16:41] <MorriganMuggle> The Scar
[16:41] <Princess> ohh really!? i didnt know she'd said that
[16:41] <futureweasley> the locket
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[16:42] <futureweasley> in Grimmauld place
[16:42] <GadgetDon> The obvious choice is the locket from grimmauld place.
[16:42] <Aquamarine> Locket
[16:42] <Thetallman> Yeah, it's the locket, isn't it?
[16:42] <MorriganMuggle> locket was destroyed
[16:42] <Darkspellmaster> The locket, and the cup
[16:42] <Aislinn> the locket seems the most likely
[16:42] <futureweasley> I would think so...it's either that, or harry
[16:42] <MorriganMuggle> wasn't it
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[16:42] <Princess> lol hope so seeing as i've argued about the locket with friends for a while tongue
[16:42] <bibs> doesnt the ring on the uk edition of hbp have a ligtening shape on it
[16:42] <Aquamarine> At first I thought she meant Harry, and I was like "noooo! " but I think it's the locket
[16:42] <futureweasley> hi synesthesia
[16:42] <GadgetDon> but if so...she told the moviemakers to include Kreacher because he was important. Why wouldn't she tell them to include the locket?
[16:42] <Aislinn> it's not Harry!
[16:42] <lucypickles> she said harry is not a horcrux
[16:42] <RAVENKLAW> Only is R.AB. lived long enough to destroy it
[16:42] <futureweasley> LOL
[16:42] <Synesthesia> i was watching l of the r and trying to kill a wasp. i forgot
[16:42] <Thetallman> We don't know MorriganMuggle.
[16:42] <cbm> It is only obvious to an obsessive community like ours smile
[16:42] <Aislinn> she hasn't said that, lucypickles
[16:42] <futureweasley> oh, come on Aislinn...it COULD be Harry, couldn't it?!
[16:43] <GadgetDon> Where has she said that Harry is not a horcrux?
[16:43] <RAVENKLAW> He died a couple of days after deserting the Death Eaters
[16:43] <Aislinn> not in answer to that question, future
[16:43] <Princess> oh my! GOOD point gadget!
[16:43] <bibs> i think harry used to be a horcrux but is not any more since the grave yard scene
[16:43] <futureweasley> Jo hasn't said that he's not a Horcru
[16:43] <futureweasley> x
[16:43] <lucypickles> one of the hundreds of interviews i have read
[16:43] <Thetallman> Because the locket can be brought up in the next book without explanation.
[16:44] <lucypickles> maybe i might have heard it from someone else tho
[16:44] <GadgetDon> I was listening to a MuggleCast podcast, and they made a fairly good case of a lot of different parts put together (about Harry as Podcast). I don't know, but I somewhat lean towards him being one
[16:44] <bibs> does every one buy nagini
[16:44] <futureweasley> I think that Dung stole that locket out of #12GP and has pawned it off
[16:44] <Aislinn> I haven't read that in any of the interviews, lucy
[16:44] <bibs> i dont
[16:44] <JaneMarple9> and me future
[16:44] <Aislinn> I agree, future
[16:44] <Darkspellmaster> But then where is the locket then Future?
[16:44] <Princess> not sure bout nagini .... dd changed his mind about her and we're not sure why
[16:44] <Aislinn> but aberforth might have it
[16:44] <futureweasley> I think, because it's the most obvious to the reader, that it will be the hardest for Harry to find
[16:44] <MorriganMuggle> but that leads us back to who R.A.B is
[16:44] <JaneMarple9> think he gave the locket to aberforth
[16:44] <Darkspellmaster> Borgin and Burkes?
[16:44] <lucypickles> like i said i might have got from an unreliable source dont remeber....
[16:44] <Aquamarine> I don't know if it COULD be Harry in reference to that question... because re-reading CoS when Tom Riddle and Harry were talking about the diary... it got pretty close to the Harry is a Horvrux thing ... but I still am saying no to that theory
[16:44] <Thetallman> I think that Aberforth has the locket- we saw him with Dung when Dung has the Black'd stuff.
[16:44] <cbm> R.A.B. is not obvious to a casual reader, like most of her fans either, so then to connect it to the locket, would be a tough stretch for her non-online fans
[16:45] <futureweasley> who knows? I think Harry will have a tough time tracking it down
[16:45] <JaneMarple9> remember when he was talking to him outside the hogs head
[16:45] <Princess> maybe rab was a member of the Bones family
[16:45] <Darkspellmaster> Can you make a horocrux out of something that's alive?
[16:45] <RAVENKLAW> Yes
[16:45] <JaneMarple9> great minds Thetallman!
[16:45] <Aquamarine> Aberfort I think has a locket
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[16:45] <bibs> i thiink
[16:45] <Aislinn> she is talking about her avid fans though, cbm
[16:45] <RAVENKLAW> It is unwise to do so
[16:45] <Aislinn> not the casual reader
[16:45] <RAVENKLAW> Remember, DD said you can
[16:45] <GadgetDon> RAB being Reginals A. Black is another "seems obvious" but again, he doesn't appear in the movie. And it would have been easy to fit him in.
[16:45] <futureweasley> hi cloudpic
[16:45] <JaneMarple9> because aberforth drew his coat round his neck
[16:45] <cbm> I know, but it will come as a surpirse to everyone else
[16:45] <Aislinn> hey cloudpic
[16:45] <Princess> hi cloudpic *waves
[16:45] <Aislinn> yes it will
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[16:45] <JaneMarple9> (((((Cloud))))))
[16:45] * cloudpic waves to everyone
[16:46] <JaneMarple9> long time no hug smile
[16:46] <MorriganMuggle> so that leaves me to wonder... is Sirius really dead
Posted by: futureweasley Jul 15 2007, 04:23 PM
[16:46] <ph63915> i think kreacher has it
[16:46] <Joyhawk2121> hello, Cloudpic
[16:46] <bibs> i think the tiaa that molly lends fleur is a horcrux
[16:46] <Princess> shivers at concept
[16:46] <lucypickles> everyone that is dead is dead
[16:46] <JaneMarple9> yeah
[16:46] <Aquamarine> I think, because it's the most obvious to the reader, that it will be the hardest for Harry to find<--- wow, that's a really cool point future!
[16:46] <cloudpic> Oh... a horcrux at the weddinng? Awful!
[16:46] <Thetallman> GadgetDon- RAB and the locket can be easily explained in future movies, while Kreather can't.
[16:46] * cbm uses his wife as a sounding board for what the average fan thinks
[16:46] <Aquamarine> Wow, that would put a negative spin to the wedding, wouldn't it!
[16:46] <GadgetDon> Sirius is dead. He's pushing up daisies. He's in the great beyond. He's an ex-Sirius.
[16:46] <Darkspellmaster> Morrigan, I do believe JKR said that Sirius was dead.
[16:46] <MorriganMuggle> I have a feeling that SNape will inform LV about Harry and Ginny. There will be mayhem at that wedding
[16:47] <MorriganMuggle> Okay Darkspell ty
[16:47] <Princess> LOL gadget
[16:47] <futureweasley> Only 13 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/index.php?showforum=184.
[16:47] <Aquamarine> really morrigan? I don't think Snape would know about Harry/Ginny ....
[16:47] <cloudpic> What an awful way to start the book...
[16:47] <Aislinn> Harry believes that Draco would not have killed Dumbledore even if he had all the time in the world. Indeed he would not have; this will have implications for Draco’s future. Four Death Eaters witnessed his failure to kill Dumbledore so Draco is a marked man. Will Snape continue to protect him? What will Harry do when they meet?
[16:47] <bibs> imagine harry "give me the tiara!" fleur,"but i look so beautiful
[16:47] <GadgetDon> I think there will be mayhem at that wedding, with or without Snape telling anything.
[16:47] <Thetallman> Hmmm, for some reason I just don't think so bibs.
[16:47] <Aislinn> he knew aqua
[16:48] <Aquamarine> smile bibs!
[16:48] <cloudpic> LOL bibis
[16:48] <MorriganMuggle> He was always kissing her so it is hard for the school not to know
[16:48] <cloudpic> *bibs
[16:48] <lucypickles> thanks for bouncing theorys everyone ttyl
[16:48] <MorriganMuggle> I had to say this I think Harry will save Draco's butt from being killed
[16:48] <Aquamarine> Aislinn, when did he find out? i don't remember ... hmm
[16:48] <cbm> I think the second part of the vow is still good as it was not time limited, so I think Snape is still bound to protect draco
[16:48] <Aislinn> he alluded to it, when he put harry in all those detentions
[16:48] <cloudpic> I've thought Snape and Draco went looking for Narcissa.... so together they'd protect Draco... but?
[16:48] <Darkspellmaster> Yes I think Snape will be protecting him, I think that Snape probably knows a place to Hide Draco for a while.
[16:48] <GadgetDon> Draco may have gone into hiding (with Snape's help). Draco may even turn to the Order, while being completely obnoxious about it.
[16:48] <Princess> i dont thnk harry is going to hate malfoy as much - i reckon he'll try to help him if he can
[16:48] <futureweasley> I do think that Draco will be protected...I'm just not sure by whom
[16:49] <bibs> brb
[16:49] <Princess> that's if draco will let himtongue
[16:49] <MorriganMuggle> LV will be so happy that DD is dead he will let Draco live for now
[16:49] <Aislinn> I think that Harry pities Draco
[16:49] <Aquamarine> I'm going with John Noe's theory that he has been saying on Pottercast - "Draco is going to be dead by chapter three"
[16:49] <Aislinn> and would definitely try to help him, if he was put in that position
[16:49] <cloudpic> I see Harry "forgiving" Draco before he does forgive Snape..
[16:49] <Princess> lol aqua
[16:49] <MorriganMuggle> I won't be sorry to see Draco dead
[16:49] <MorriganMuggle> OH I agree with you on that Cloud
[16:49] <futureweasley> yes cloudpic, I agree
[16:49] <Princess> god yes! Snape is a non entity compared to harry's pitty for draco
[16:49] <Darkspellmaster> But what would kill him by the third chapter?
[16:49] <Aquamarine> Because Draco did lower his wand...
[16:49] <Thetallman> I don't see Draco as an important character any more.
[16:49] <futureweasley> even Harry will be able to discern the impossible position that Draco was put in
[16:50] <Aquamarine> Voldemort .
[16:50] <cbm> What will snape do when draco is his normal self and gets Voldemort mad, will snape then have to protect himm and how will he do it
[16:50] <Aislinn> right, aqua, harry recognized that
[16:50] <Darkspellmaster> Yeah, I can see Harry forgiving Draco as well.
[16:50] <cloudpic> I was really surprised when Dumbledore started to get through to Draco in that last scene they had together
[16:50] <Aquamarine> I actually hope he got the reprieve....
[16:50] <MorriganMuggle> But I think in the end, If Harry can learn forgiveness and feel some love towards LV for the life he had lived. Harry won't need to kill LV. LV will die from those thoughts from Harry
[16:50] <GadgetDon> LV still will want Lucius as a servant at some point, and ordering his son's death may cause a problem.
[16:50] <cloudpic> Good question cbm
[16:50] <Thetallman> If the Death Eaters hadn't come, I think that Malfoy would have let DD protect him.
[16:50] <bibs> am back
[16:51] <MorriganMuggle> wb
[16:51] <Aislinn> JKR: “The mirror that Harry got from Sirius might not have helped as much as you think but, on the other hand, will help more than you think.” A classic teaser from Jo. JKR will not comment on whether or not Sirius’s mirror will allow communication with Regulus or not. Where is Sirius’s mirror anyway? What do you think?
[16:51] <futureweasley> I was, too. I'm not a "Draco lover" by any means, but I do think that we forget that Draco is growing up, too. Draco's "development" happens off page a lot, because we see things through Harry's eyes
[16:51] <Aquamarine> Okay, completely contradicting what I just said about Draco being dead early in the book, I think Draco got the reprieve.
[16:51] <cloudpic> I thought it was broken?
[16:51] <Synesthesia> hmm. probably more than a communication devise.
[16:51] <bibs> it is
[16:51] <MorriganMuggle> I was wondering about that Mirror when I re read the book last week
[16:51] <bibs> REPAIRO
[16:51] <MorriganMuggle> lol
[16:51] <Darkspellmaster> Maybe he gave it to Snape?
[16:51] <cloudpic> Of course.... duh, thanks, bibs
[16:51] <Thetallman> I think that the mirror is at #12, but that might be too obvious.
[16:52] <cloudpic> Isn't it in his trunk? (that's where he broke it)
[16:52] <cbm> I think it with him through the veil
[16:52] <Aquamarine> lol bibs
[16:52] <JaneMarple9> yes cloud
[16:52] <MorriganMuggle> Oh now I have to go and reread that part
[16:52] <Aislinn> his is, but Sirius had one also
[16:52] <cloudpic> Threw it in their and it shattered
[16:52] <GadgetDon> I think that Harry will learn from Lupin how to make the mirrors, and they'll use it for communication in the future with both Ron and Hermione, and to check in with the order (or Ginny?)
[16:52] <Darkspellmaster> Harry's is broken in the trunk we don't know where Sirius' is for sure.
[16:52] <JaneMarple9> two way mirror will still be there
[16:52] <bibs> he could stab voldy wit the pices
[16:52] <Aislinn> I think sirius might have had it on him
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[16:52] <MorriganMuggle> ohhh what a wonderful idea Don I agree
[16:52] <cloudpic> Mirrors have been important
[16:52] <JaneMarple9> d hermione can repair it quick!
[16:52] <Thetallman> cloudpic- that was Harry's. Sirius had one too.
[16:52] <futureweasley> someone thinks that Sirius had it on his person when he fell though the veil. I can see that. If Sirius was trying to reach Harry, he would have taken it with him and tried every couple minutes. Like a cell phone when you are trying to reach someone
[16:52] <Aislinn> and that there may be an opportunity for communication across the veil
[16:52] <Princess> lol like that theory almost as much as my 'big hugs voldie' from harry, hermione n ron biggrin
[16:52] <MorriganMuggle> I'm sure more can be made
[16:52] <Darkspellmaster> That is a rather interesting idea
[16:52] <Synesthesia> grah. why is it not next week yet?
[16:52] <Synesthesia> ><
[16:53] <Aquamarine> I have no clue about the mirror... does Harry even still have the broken shards? I thought we were going to see a lot of it in HBP, but we didn't at all!
[16:53] <JaneMarple9> yes aqua i think he does
[16:53] <Aislinn> I bet he does, aqua
[16:53] <MorriganMuggle> no Harry would never throw away anything Sirius left him
[16:53] <Synesthesia> he probably does, he just put it into his bag. i should read that book again, or better yet, finish 6 again which will make me cry
[16:53] <Aislinn> harry probably never really cleans out that trunk
[16:53] <cbm> I bet it is still at the bottom of his trunk
[16:53] <cloudpic> Harry isn't too good at "cleaning".... so the pieces are likely still in th bottom of the trunk
[16:53] <bibs> im still going with voldy gets stabed with the broken mirror
[16:53] <cloudpic> LOL Aislinn
[16:53] <Aquamarine> LOL
[16:53] <bibs> it couldnt help more than that
[16:53] <MorriganMuggle> Oh I cry every time I read the end of 6
[16:53] <Thetallman> JKR didn't mention alot of the things from book five in book six...
[16:53] <MorriganMuggle> and I've re read that chapter several times for clues
[16:53] <MorriganMuggle> an still cry
[16:54] * cloudpic understands, MorriganMuggle
[16:54] <Aislinn> there are a bunch of chapters that are like that for me, MorriganMuggle
[16:54] <Aquamarine> Like Grawp... Thetallam.
[16:54] <Darkspellmaster> Very true Thetallman
[16:54] <futureweasley> you're right thetallman, I think there was a lot of ground to be covered in 6, so 5 was "done and over"
[16:54] <cloudpic> She said that Book 6 and 7 were really One book in her mind
[16:54] <Aislinn> I think that Halloween being the time when the veil between the worlds is the thinnest, may come into play with the mirrors
[16:54] <bibs> you cant focus on the last two chapters because you end up crying and throwing the book into the washing bascet
[16:55] <JaneMarple9> grawp is boring!!
[16:55] <Princess> ohh thts good. i like that
[16:55] <Darkspellmaster> Isn't Halloween, chapter 12 and Chapter 13 usually the ones that tend to reveal a lot?
[16:55] <MorriganMuggle> So this leaves us with wondering how the first chapter is going ot unfold
[16:55] <Aquamarine> But I think that is just a way for JKR to throw us off... mention something super important in 5, not mention it at all in 6, and then bring it right back up in 7 like "Ha! You forgot about this!"
[16:55] <Darkspellmaster> *usually
[16:55] <MorriganMuggle> that's why I reread the last two
[16:55] <Princess> im interested in how harry says goodbye to the dursleys
[16:55] <cloudpic> LOL... true, Aquamarine... has happened often
[16:55] <Aquamarine> I hadn't noticed that Darkspellmaster...
[16:55] <Aquamarine> Interesting
[16:56] <Thetallman> Agreed Aqua. My thoughts exactly.
[16:56] <futureweasley> Princess, it's will be unceremonious, I'm sure
[16:56] <GadgetDon> The first chapter will be the Durlseys going spare when Harry shows up with two of-age magical friends
[16:56] <Princess> yes i think so
[16:56] <MorriganMuggle> LMAO oh that will be a good laugh
[16:56] <MorriganMuggle> good way to start it
[16:56] <Aislinn> OK, Last question: How are you going to spend these last few days and hours until the book is in your hand?
[16:56] <cloudpic> But I think we may see a bit more of the Dursleys
[16:56] <futureweasley> at work, buried in paperwork
[16:56] <MorriganMuggle> tossing theories and ideas in my head
[16:56] <Thetallman> I think that the first chapter will be from another characters point of view, like the first two chapters of book six.
[16:56] <Princess> i'd like to thnk that petunia shows some sort of 'maternal' emotion for harry before he leaves. to show their link. lol.
[16:56] <Synesthesia> antipating and job hunting and whining about it not being saturday
[16:56] <bibs> dudley will make a move on hermione
[16:56] <Darkspellmaster> Pondering plotting and going over details of the first six
[16:56] <cbm> listening to HBP
[16:56] <cloudpic> re-reading HBP and staying away from Spoilers!!!
[16:56] <Synesthesia> dang i wish it was next week
[16:56] <futureweasley> listening to the audiobooks
[16:56] <MorriganMuggle> I've been out of work so I've had lots of tme to think
[16:57] <Aislinn> me too
[16:57] <bibs> i have festival week in school
[16:57] <Princess> reading book 6 and trying not to cry at the thought that it's all going to end!
[16:57] <Aislinn> I'm listening to HBP now
[16:57] <cbm> I have some threads I need to look at in the lounge
[16:57] <JaneMarple9> listening to audio books
[16:57] <JaneMarple9> and reading book 6
[16:57] <MorriganMuggle> Sucks though no money for the new book unless I beg my family for an early bday present lol
[16:57] * cloudpic admires Aislinn's ability to multitask!
[16:57] <Joyhawk2121> Yes, re-reading book 7
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[16:57] <Aislinn> no news or radio for me for the next week
[16:57] <cbm> Fry or Dale?
[16:57] <bibs> weve got trips and shows and stupid sports things
[16:57] <Thetallman> Listening to Mugglecast and Pottercast, rereading the books, looking at threads, avoiding spoilers.
[16:57] <ph63915> i'm preparing to shut down all forms of commnication with the outside world
[16:57] <cloudpic> Dale!
[16:57] <JaneMarple9> fry!
[16:57] <futureweasley> oh a personal note, this is the "last" Post-Prince Predictions chat before we have to name it something else...so I want to thank you all for sharing it today
[16:57] <Aislinn> Fry
[16:57] <Synesthesia> i'm using my tool of evil for it
[16:57] <bibs> fry rocks
[16:57] <JaneMarple9> laugh
[16:57] <Joyhawk2121> sorry I mean 6
[16:57] <Aislinn> oops, I meant Dale!
[16:57] <cbm> Fry
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[16:57] <cloudpic> As am I ph 63915!
[16:58] <JaneMarple9> fry really is amazing!
[16:58] <MorriganMuggle> Is it true I heard JFK is going to do a spin off adult book on one of the other characteres ???
[16:58] <Thetallman> Dale
[16:58] <cbm> lol
[16:58] <Synesthesia> i will not use the net next week when that book is in my hand
[16:58] <cloudpic> So's Dale, Jane... they're both wonderful in different ways
[16:58] <MorriganMuggle> I would love to see a book on Lily and James or on Hermione
[16:58] <Synesthesia> i will go to bed, turn on some tunes and just READ
[16:58] <JaneMarple9> ok cloud smile
[16:58] <Thetallman> I'd never heard that MorriganMuggle
[16:58] <MorriganMuggle> OH same here if I get the book that day
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[16:58] <Synesthesia> futhurmore, another wasp had better not get into my room
[16:58] <JaneMarple9> maybe one day i'll hear dale too!
[16:58] <Princess> thanks for having us here in pp3 biggrin
[16:58] <Aislinn> yes, they both are great at parts of the story
[16:58] <bibs> do you think the moto is inportant
[16:58] <JaneMarple9> not very
[16:58] <Aislinn> it's been a great chat, guys!
[16:59] <cloudpic> Wouldn't that be fun? bibs!
[16:59] <MorriganMuggle> ty and it was nice to meet you all
[16:59] <bibs> i think the svhool is built on a sleeping dragon
[16:59] <Thetallman> I'm listening to my Ipod when I pick up the book, so that I won't hear someone shoutout the ending.
[16:59] * JaneMarple9 prepares to be squashed!
[16:59] <cbm> I have all 6 in fry, so dale no longer sounds right
[16:59] <Aquamarine> Is the WWW on Wednesday the last chat before HBP?
[16:59] <futureweasley> yes, thanks again for joining us on the LAST SUNDAY before Deathly Hallows!
[16:59] <Aislinn> Can't wait to see how right or wrong we all have been with our predictions
[16:59] <cloudpic> whoa!
[16:59] <Aquamarine> AHH!
[16:59] <JaneMarple9> ((((((( all the boothers)))))))
[16:59] * futureweasley starts out a big ol' group hug
[16:59] <Synesthesia> man, it would suck if you were reading the book and someone yelled THIS IS HOW IT ENDS!
[16:59] <cbm> 122 hours until the reading, not that I am counting
[16:59] <cloudpic> Great ideas everyone
[16:59] <Darkspellmaster> The next one should be fun.
[16:59] <Thetallman> I'm so excited!
[16:59] <Synesthesia> that would be so aggravating.
[16:59] <Aquamarine> LOL
[16:59] <cloudpic> ((((((everyone))))))))
[16:59] <bibs> i love you all
[16:59] * Aislinn hugs the group
[16:59] <futureweasley> I'm excited, too!
[16:59] <Princess> (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((jane)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
[16:59] <JaneMarple9> this is my last chat before DH w00t2
[16:59] <Aquamarine> HUGS!
[16:59] <Synesthesia> they'd be all like XYZ just died!
[16:59] <bibs> hugs back
[16:59] <futureweasley> let's get it started!!
[16:59] <Aquamarine> w00t2
[16:59] * cloudpic Bye to all until Sorting!
[17:00] <cbm> It has been GREAT
[17:00] <cloudpic> Yikes!!
[17:00] <Synesthesia> peace...
[17:00] <MorriganMuggle> bye and ty
[17:00] <Aquamarine> bye!
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[17:00] <Princess> happy reading everyone!
[17:00] <Aquamarine> bye!
[17:00] <Thetallman> Bye for now everyone!
[17:00] <Synesthesia> i got to make the time go by faster
[17:00] <futureweasley> thank you! bye all
[17:00] <JaneMarple9> ((cloud)))) take care
[17:00] <Aquamarine> omg I'm like freaking out now!
[17:00] <bibs> bye by love yas all
[17:00] <Princess> speak after the book! biggrin
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[17:00] <Thetallman> This was great fun!
[17:00] <Princess> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
[17:00] * cloudpic to you as well, Jane
[17:00] <Joyhawk2121> bye and thanks Mods
[17:00] <bibs> have fun
[17:00] <Aquamarine> bye THIS HAS BEEN AMAZING !
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[17:00] <Aislinn> bye everyone, and thanks for coming!
[17:00] <Darkspellmaster> Good day
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[17:00] <ph63915> cheers, back in three weeks to discuss further...........
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[17:00] <Princess> bye aislinn!
[17:00] <Princess> bye snuffles and future! xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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[17:00] <bibs> aqua were are you from
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[17:00] <futureweasley> lol
[17:00] <futureweasley> ta ta
[17:00] <bibs> tra
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[17:01] <bibs> i love you all
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[17:01] <Synesthesia> bye
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[17:01] <bibs> talk again soon
[17:01] <futureweasley> type "/quit" to leave
[17:01] <bibs> "/quit"
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[17:02] <Aislinn> bye bibs, DeathlyBlack, lucypickles, ph63915, and Thetallman
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[17:02] <Aislinn> we're closing up shop now
[17:02] <Thetallman> Bye! See you all around!
[17:02] <futureweasley> see ya
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