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Posted by: potterlover18 Jan 21 2008, 11:49 AM

Has JK Rowling ever answerd this question? I would hope he ended up in Gryffindor. Maybe Slytherin is so toned down it doesn't matter, but I still love Gryffindor. What do you guys think?

Also, of Harry's children, is Albus the one most like his father or not?

Posted by: towerdweller Jan 21 2008, 12:28 PM

ASP is almost certainly a Gryffindor. I'm sure he took his father's advice and made his wishes known to the sorting hat.


Edited to add: I just noticed that Albus Severus Potter's initials form the word "asp," which is a type of viper, a venomous snake. So maybe he ended up in Slytherin's house after all.

Posted by: Jeaneai Jan 21 2008, 02:18 PM

Good eye there, towerdweller.

But I do believe that ASP would've been sorted into Gryffindor because, as you said, he would've followed his fathers advice. What's to say, though, that he didn't end up in Ravenclaw or Hufflepuff, both very noble houses?

Posted by: Antonija Jan 21 2008, 02:35 PM

I agree with you. I mean after what happened at Hogwarts I don't think that the Slytherin house remain the same but I think the ASP will ask the hat to chose Griffindor. It is my opinion and I think that he is a lot like his father And it would be great to see him in HP&DH movie

Posted by: towerdweller Jan 21 2008, 04:28 PM

It's quite possible that ASP did end up in one of the other houses. However, the Sorting Hat appears to match students' values to the house values that the Four Founders established early on at Hogwarts. Since child's values are often influenced by her/his parents, APS likely values those same things that lead to the Sorting Hat placing Harry and Ginny in Gryffindor. It would be a really big story if he landed anyplace but Gryffindor tower.

Posted by: chloe squibbulus Jan 21 2008, 09:02 PM

I would like to see him be a Slytherin. They need a solid nice guy in that house and what better credentials than Albus, whose dad is Harry Potter and who is named after DD and the latest Slytherin hero - Severus Snape. Albus is also the one with Lily's green eyes. It would be fitting for those green eyes that Snape loved to belong to the Green and Silver house. And it would be a great continuation of the story to have him be the odd Sytherin in a house of Gryffindors - a bit like the reverse of Sirius.

Posted by: Ex Libres Cogito Jan 21 2008, 10:22 PM

A middle (birth order) child (or was he possibly adopted??), carrying 2 (actually 3) very powerful names. A direct relative to the Gaunts (but not a descendant of Salazar Slytherin?). 3/4 magical, 1/4 muggle-born grandparents. And how far will the Sorting Hat be willing to go along with Albus Severus wishes? Besides, who are the First Years he meets on the Hogwarts Express, and what Houses are they sorted into?

If Slughorn is still around, A.S. will be an easy target for him. So what House does he get sorted into? Well let's look at it from this perspective. James is in Gryffindor. He bullies Albus Severus a lot, it seems. How long is the train ride to Hogsmeade Station? He's got some time to think and to "sort out his priorities." Would Harry or Ginny be disappointed if he weren't in Gryffindor? My guess, yes (more Giny). This is a lot of pressure to put on an 11 year old.

I woud be completely baffled, if I didn't take his name into consideration. Albus Dumbledore - Gryffindor(?), Severus Snape - Slytherin. Potter family - Gryffindor (?). Does it really matter? YES, it does; otherwise this thread would never have been initiated.

ANSWER: Slytherin. Why? Albus Severus' challenge is to break free from the "common mold" of the Potters. As good a brother that James must be to him, there are a few things that we can infer about this First Year: He is not his older brother. He does not seem to be a follower (in the traditional sense.) Harry made it OK for him to be a Slytherin - lucky in fact for Slytherin House to have him. 2nd birth order children are often left-handed; a sign of seeking new ways to accomplish a task; or to bring about change (thinking outside of the box). Finally, had Snape not been into the DE's, Lily might have actually leaned toward Slytherin in the first place. Final answer: Who knows?

Posted by: Jeaneai Jan 22 2008, 01:09 PM

I suppose that you do have a point. But what's to say that Albus does not value brains more than bravery? One does not always inherit one's values from one's parents [Is that three 'one's' in one sentence? ]

On a related note, do we happen to know which house Dumbledore was in?

Posted by: racheline Jan 22 2008, 01:17 PM

I too think ASP goes to Slytherin, as what little we see of him is more evocative of a young Snape (as seen trough The Prince's Tale) than anyone else. He's shy. He's bullied. And he's already thinking politically as evidenced by his worry over how his brother treats him and how other people will perceive him. That to me says Slytherin. And let's not forget just how conniving even the Gryffindor wizard he's named after was.

As much as JKR did little in the series to show the type of integrity that must be possible from Slytherins (you can't tell me 25% of children are just EVIL), even with their very different codes, I have to believe ASP is her stab at implying the redemption of Slytherin House -- if Harry Potter's delicate shy boy might find a home there, surely it's not such a bad place when properly lead and freed from corrupting influences?

Posted by: Alyonka Jan 22 2008, 01:28 PM

I know,that little Al could be in Slytherin,but I still hope that he ends up in Gryffindor.Slytherin always was so unfriendly and I like this boy very much and I don't want him to be in cold and rather spooky Slytherin.

Posted by: racheline Jan 22 2008, 01:34 PM

Okay, fully admitting I am a Slytherin loyalist/apologist, but I think of myself who can be pretty shy and definitely solitary and something like Gryffindor would have scared the crap out of me and I wouldn't have taken to it like Neville eventually did. I might have been lonely in Slytherin and probably unnerved at first, but I think I would have felt okay there (or in Ravenclaw). I sort of see Gryffindor for ASP being like being surrounded by his brother times three-dozen, and I don't think he'd enjoy that.

Posted by: Fawks7 Jan 22 2008, 02:00 PM

I'm not sure that being shy and quiet puts you in Slytherin. Neville was shy and quiet in Griffindor (though he will speak up), and I always thought DD was rather quiet. Though Snape is very shy and quiet in Slytherin, I'm sure others have been very shy and in other houses. Besides, how "shy" is Albus? I mean, James and Lily are his siblings, so I think he is certianly able to speak up if he wants (I think those types of things tend to run in families). Besides, Harry won't put ASP and James in the same room because he doesn't wany the house blown up. That seems to suggest that they would go against each other- not one person bullying a shy kid. ASP appears terribly shy in this scene because it's his first year- James was even written to once a week his first year (i think). Lily is very outspoken, but it's easy to be like that when you're not actually going. Remember how Ginny seemed so outspoken, etc. before she could go, but first year was much quiter and procted by Percy (true, she had a crush on Harry and was possesed by LV, but it was still only her first year, and she isn't "spunky" 'till she gets older). I don't think ASP is the little shy kid- just in his fist year. Because he's quiet doesn't mean he's slytherin- DD was "different" and still in griffindor (i think... I doubt he was in slytherin).

That being said, I could still see him in any house- for other reasons. I'm still not sure which, though.

Posted by: Hatun punchaw Jan 22 2008, 03:29 PM

Just to make it clear, there's NOTHING in canon or J.K.'s interviews who finally solves the mistery of Albus Dumbledore's house. One thing is true, he's not Slytherin... as Severus Snape has been the first headmaster from that house since Phineas. Personally i believe he was Hufflepuff. But that's off-topic.

There where theories of Harry and Hermione being brothers justified upon her patronus being an otter, who just happens to rhyme with Potter. So i prefer dissmissing ASP right away.
I see Albus Severus more curious and keen; than brawny and wanting to prove himself, hard-working and affectous, or cold and ambitious. So for me he's clearly Ravenclaw. An eagle who wants to fly.

Posted by: Lenna-Hachi Jan 22 2008, 04:57 PM

I'm afraid he's in gryffindor. I mean, he is JUST like Harry, isn't he?

(Personally, I would love to see Scorpius in Gryffindor too, but he's going to be slitherin for sure...)

Posted by: towerdweller Jan 22 2008, 11:49 PM

On the train to Hogwarts, Hermione says, "I hope I'm in Gryffindor, it sounds by far the best; I hear Dumbledore himself was in it." (SS, pg. 106, US edition.)

That's canon enough for me!

As to ASP, I'm sure any house would be happy to have him--even Slytherin.

Posted by: roonwit Jan 23 2008, 05:50 AM

Poor Albus Severus. There are all these people trying to put him in Slytherin and other houses for their own reasons (which of course may well be true in his own life anyway because, as the son of the famous Harry Potter, the wizarding world will have expectations of him). I think everything points to to him being in Gryffindor, like his parents, grandparents, and just about every other relative we know of. He clearly doesn't want to be in Slytherin, and I very much doubt the sorting hat would go against his wishes even if he was suitable for that house, which I also doubt. It is possible that he will end up in one of the other two houses, though I doubt it, because he is very like Harry was at this stage (you could even see James as like Dudley was to Harry, or indeed as Fred and George were to Ron).

Posted by: Hatun punchaw Jan 23 2008, 11:40 AM

Underscored is the key word: she heard, that's just what Hermione happend to listen... not a fact, sorry.

Posted by: dreampotter Jan 23 2008, 12:42 PM

I also think ASP ends up in Gryffindor. He's supposed to be the most like Harry.

Also, Dumbledore was in Gryffindor, at the end of GOF, DD told Harry he set fire to the draperies while talking in the Gryffindor boys dorm. He said he always hated the curtains and set them on fire accidently.

As the dorms are decorated differently depending on which house you are assigned to, this tells me he was in Gryffindor.

Also, as JKR helps with the making of the movies, I would say that she had DD in Gryffindor also, or the line would have been changed.

Posted by: towerdweller Jan 23 2008, 10:34 PM

I would trust anything Hermione hears and reports more than most newspapers and their fact checkers. But until the "Scottish" book is published, people may believe what they want about which house was Dumbledore's own.

As for ASP, he's only 11--far too young to know what he really wants or who he really is. Sorting "too soon" is as much about the house influencing the student as the student belonging in any particular house because of any dominant or recessive personality traits. Harry becomes who he becomes in part because of the house he was sorted into. I think the same could be said for Snape.

There is also the matter of tradition as roonwit mentioned. If Harry has any pull with the Sorting Hat, I'm sure he'd want his son in Gryffindor--no matter how his feelings may have changed for Severus Snape.

Posted by: voldemort07 Jan 23 2008, 11:41 PM

I noticed the initials too, and maybe he would be in slytherin, i mean, although most slytherins we've seen have done bad things that can't be true of every person that has been in the house for one thousand years. I don't believe it's fair to say that those with ambition and who want power are bad, some people want to do good things with power, they still want it though, also, it's not like the hat is always right, look at snape, in the end he had more courage than anyone and look at wormtail, he was most certainly not courageous and did not belong in gryffindor. I hope Al did end up in slytherin, and I'm sure Harry would be proud either way.

Posted by: branswilliamrochester Jan 24 2008, 08:08 AM

Although I agree with wanting to see ASP in Slytherin, I have to disagree with your other points. The reason why I would like to see ASP in Slytherin is not for vengeance or to prove someone wrong: I want it as a sort of Slytherin redemption; an olive branch of sorts. With his brilliant green eyes, I often associated him to this olive branch of peace. After the war, Slytherin probably was in rambles and prejudices die hard. As the son of Harry Potter himself and looking so much like him, it would've been great to see him show the world that houses really do not matter-it is the heart and one's choices. His name being Albus Severus (a Gryffindor and a Slytherin), I find this even more appropros.

Or am I being biased here?

Posted by: Hatun punchaw Jan 24 2008, 11:17 AM

Sorry, that's the movie... another no-canon reference. The most canonical reference is at HP Lexicon. And it still listed with a "probably"... only a fact will remove that word and point out Albus Dumbledore's true house.

Back on topic, i also used to think that Albus Severus could've ended in Slytherin... but not for that nonsense of his initials, but from Harry's commentary about nothing wrong with being snake.
As i stated before, i tried to look deeper and what the most points out to me is his endless curiosity. I see him as a Ravenclaw... and Harry telling him: my first girlfriend was an eagle.

Posted by: beyond the veil Jan 24 2008, 05:16 PM

I think these are both good posts. My other half and I both think he'd be Slytherin. I think that Harry's reassurance about it not really mattering which house he's in, and the fact that he has Severus as his second name (who Harry tells him is the bravest wizard he knew) might be in his thoughts at the time of sorting. It also depends on who he meets and I would guess he'd avoid his brother for the journey (or vice versa).

Also, JK says she's most interested in Albus out of Harry's children - she said this in the documentary on ITV on 30 Dec when drawing the Weasley/Potter family trees. She must already have in mind a complex character then. It makes me wonder if her suggestion that she MIGHT come back to the world in say 10 years time - in actual date terms this is pretty much when Albus first goes to school!* - might be to write about Albus.

*Harry born 1980, school 1991, end DH 1998 + 19 years = 2017

Posted by: roonwit Jan 24 2008, 06:06 PM

Actually, I doubt it matters who he meets, because one major difference between Albus and Harry is that Albus has grown up in a wizarding environment. and he will know all about the various houses and what sort of people they attract. Harry might have been persuaded by who he met, though I think one of the purposes of the sorting hat is to make sure that pupils have a true impression of the house they are picking. So I think Albus' statement "I won't! I won't be in Slytherin!" is a fair reflection of his opinion, and won't change when he gets to the sorting hat. And I doubt it is the first time Harry has told his children that it doesn't matter what house they are in.
I doubt James will hang out with his brother though, however I can see Al and Rose traveling together, possibly meeting up with other first years (maybe other Weasley children, other children they vaguely know, or some muggle borns).

Posted by: towerdweller Jan 25 2008, 09:09 AM

The Lexicon is an independent (fan run) web site, which is a good source of information about the HP world, but is certainly NOT canon. The only website that should be considered canon is JKR's own.


Well said. This is one of the reasons why I feel ASP will end up in Gryffindor.

Posted by: albus severus1 Jan 26 2008, 10:07 PM

asp for sure will be in gryffindor, he is brave cause hes always standing up for himself cause james makes fun of him

Posted by: chloe squibbulus Jan 27 2008, 12:21 PM

It does present an interesting scenario though...what does happen to children who are sorted into a house that they really don't like? I often wonder about whether or not the hat always lets the child's opinion sway his decision. It would seem, with Slytherin's rather dark reputation, that not everyone who is sorted into it would necessarily want to be there. But just look at the fandom. When polls are taken, the overwhelming amount of people want to be Gryffindor, yet if we were all sorted, only a percentage of us would be, the rest would be in a house we didn't want to be in as much.

Oh and...branswilliamrochester, I wasn't trying to imply at all that ASP should be a Slytherin for some sort of vengeance. I also want him to be a Slytherin for the redemption of the house - since Slytherin is a little vilified in the HP books (and after all its approx. one quarter of all wizards in England). I just thought it would be interesting to have ASP have to fight with the prejudice of all his family against the Slytherins in the same way Sirius had to fight it again his Slytherin family. (Harry, Ron and most Gryffindors are a bit prejudiced against Slytherin really... those houses seem to have the most contention.) I actually don't personally feel like a Slytherin, but I often feel that their house needs to have some more heroes. So I think it would be a great feather in Slytherin's cap to have ASP. And I am sure he would do great things there (or in any of the houses).

Posted by: roonwit Jan 27 2008, 02:46 PM

But Albus shows no signs of wanting to fight against the rest of his family.
Actually, from Harry's point of view it is a pretty fair assessment, because most of the Slytherins he has close contact with fit exactly into how he sees the house (Draco, Crabbe and Goyle are all death eater's sons and seem to be heading that way themselves, as is Snape, who consistently shows Harry his evil side, Pansy is a bully, Regulus started out as a death eater even if he thought better of it later, and even Slughorn, whose heart is in the right place seems naturally prejudiced against muggle borns even if he overcomes that when its suits his purposes. And of course there is the arch-Slytherin Voldemort, and Harry has to battle Slytherin's monster). And judging by Albus's reaction to the suggestion that he might be in Slytherin, he wholeheartedly shares his family's opinion. Albus might see a less nasty Slytherin house, but that will be after he has been sorted into Gryffindor. If you want to see someone reform Slytherin house, what about Scorpius?

Posted by: chloe squibbulus Jan 27 2008, 02:54 PM

Well, Scorpius would be a good candidate also. It would be great to see Scorpius and ASP become good friends for that matter - whatever their houses would be. I am not trying to set up a fight per se between ASP and his Gryffindor family and friends, its just that it would force them all to open up their minds a bit to Slytherin not always being the darkest house. I just also don't want to see ASP as simply a chip off the old block. He could be much more than simply a repeat of the person his father is - just for adding interest to the story.

Posted by: roonwit Jan 27 2008, 03:52 PM

Actually, I think it is almost inevitable that Albus will be similar to Harry because Ginny is similar to Harry in many ways as well. So for example it is very likely that Albus will be good at Quiddiitch, though with all the other Weasleys in Gryfindor there will be plenty of good Quidditch players to choose from and Albus won't be on the team as early as Harry was. But the big difference between Harry and Albus is that Albus has a proper family, and no-one is trying to kill him, so he will probably develop differently to Harry even though I suspect they are very similar. And that seems to be very much how Jo is using Albus, to show us what Harry's life would have been like if Voldemort had never interfered.

Posted by: branswilliamrochester Jan 29 2008, 10:50 AM

I love how you said that. I never thought of it that way, but yes, that makes sense. Ginny even has the red hair and fiery personality as did Lily. Nice connection!

As for Scorpius being a redemption of Slytherin...I'm not quite sure about that. Possibly a redemption of the Malfoys, but the Slytherins? I do not think that the Malfoys were completely forgiven after the war, and their name is still a bit besmirched with the past deeds. The wizarding world does not seem to forget very easily of past misdeeds. I still believe Albus to be the most effective redemption for Slytherin, but then again, I do not want him to be obligated to do something because he is the only one who can- just like Harry being obligated to save the world as he is the Chosen One...I want Albus to be able to live the childhood Harry never had.

Posted by: kamion Jan 29 2008, 02:13 PM

Harry Potter was in the end set upon this world to make the Wizarding world a better place,
so it's nothing more then logic that his lookalike son - the Harry Potter without the damages - is placed to do his job on his level.

And the Sorting is far more a matter of choice then the pupils realised, that is what is made clear to Albus.
the choice is also not only made by ancestry, that is what we are told, but when you read closely, you realise that the choice is made by whom and how one meets other wizards. Harry chooses on the train, not under the Hat.
Even Sirius choose on the train, the moment he meets James and Snape it's clear to him that Gryffindor is his place, more or less to spite others, what is the core of his nature.
So Albus could make his choice on the train too. As with his father the encounter with Draco versus Ron was instrumenal, an encounter with Scorpius could be instrumental.
A Scorpius, who isn't that bad a guy as the Potter-kids thought Malfoys are. JKR said something along the line that Scorpius was a better man then his father. JKR works in trio's: the Golden Trio Harry-Ron-Hermione, the secondairy trio Neville-Ginny-Luna.
So it's to be expected there will be a third trio: Albus-Rose-Scorpius.
Not Albus-Rose-James, because James acts to Albus as Fred&George acted to Ron.
When JKR says Scorpius a better man then his father I think that is because he doesn't have the flaw Draco has.
Besides being selfish, Draco lacks courage, courage to make decisions, he as always the first to run.
So if that's what sets Scorpius apart from his father, I would not be surpriced he ends up in Gryffindor,
although after have given Albus a change of hearts about Slytherin.

Posted by: roonwit Jan 29 2008, 03:04 PM

No it isn't logic, because there is no reason why Albus has to do anything. That is also a similarity between Albus, and the life Harry would have had if Voldemort hadn't singled him out. Without the prophecy, and Voldemort deciding that Harry was a threat to him, there would be no weight of expectation on Harry, he would just be a normal person, who would probably still have opposed Voldemort as the likes of Seamus, Dean and Neville did, but just as one of the crowd, not with any special role. And I think that is one of the important things about Albus that he isn't particularly special. Of course he had a famous father but even that novelty would soon wear off, particularly as James would have got the older pupils used to having a Potter at Hogwarts.
Yes it is choice, and Albus makes it pretty clear that he won't choose Slytherin. But I disagree that choices are in general made on the train. All the Weasleys and all the Blacks except Sirius chose to stick with their family background. Maybe it is more true of those from muggle backgrounds being influenced by who they meet on the train, but Harry's choice to reject Slytherin was as much made in Diagon Alley as it was on the train. Sirius is of course the type of reckless person who would desert his family's house on a whim, but I doubt that is true of Albus.

Posted by: chloe squibbulus Jan 29 2008, 09:56 PM

I don't think it is inevitable though. That's just going with the trend. We could have said the same thing about Sirius...that it was almost inevitable that he would be a Slytherin. But he wasn't. We really know very little about Albus yet, except that he is rather sensitive (James' antics get under his skin) and seems like Harry in that he forms strong attachments to people (wants to make sure he will get some letters). He has Lily's eyes, which has been a significant part of the series. But we haven't seen enough of him to know that much about him and he is very young. He does seem to have some of Harry's temperament, but on the other hand he doesn't seem terribly brave on the surface.

I would much rather see him be his own type than be basically a repeat of Harry. I think this would make the story less predictable and more interesting to me.

Posted by: harrydavid Jan 29 2008, 11:19 PM

Actually, I wouldn't have thought it was inevitable that Sirius end up in Slytherin. He hated everything to do with his parents pureblood mania, which is a big part of Slytherin House. Also, we do know something else about Albus Severus. He desperately doesn't want to be in Slytherin.

I think folks need to drop their own agendas and accept that Albus will almost surely be in Gryffindor.

Posted by: roonwit Jan 30 2008, 05:02 AM

As harrydavid points out, it was far from inevitable that Sirius would be a Slytherin. We know he is a rebel and rather reckless, and exactly the sort of person who would chose a different house, and I think we would have seen that had we followed him to the train.
But Harry wasn't that brave at this stage, nor was Neville. And I think that Albus is rather in the shadow of his brother, but starting school were he is mostly in the company of others will give a chance for his bravery to show itself. But in any case lack of bravery would surely mean he wouldn't choose to rebel by picking Slytherin (and it would have to be a choice, Albus doesn't show any natural affinity for that house), though of course it might end him up in one of the other two houses.
But one of the things Harry was fighting for was the normality that meant that his children don't have to have an interesting story, and can have a normal and relatively uneventful life, and not have to save the wizarding world at regular intervals. Of course they can still go on to do great things, but that is their choice, a choice that Harry never really had.

Posted by: rowena r Jan 30 2008, 08:42 AM

Very true roonwit. Harry never had a normal life till he was 18 or so. It was just one thing after another till then. Harry and many others were fighting for that normal happy life that was denied them by Voldemort. I love the way Remus put it when Harry tells him he's sorry he died just when he had his son ~ "I'm sorry too. Sorry that I will never know him. But he will know why I died, and I hope he will understand that I was trying to make a world in which he could live a happier life."

Coming back to the topic, Albus was very clear he didn't want to go to Slytherin. IMO he went to Gryffindor like his parents and elder brother. Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff could come into the picture, but I somehow don't think so. He would have grown up listening to tales of bravery and courage and would have grown to value those qualities more than anything else.

And Albus didn't hate his parents' viewpoint to want to be different and go to a different house. And I'm sure he loved his elder brother a lot even though he was teased quite mercilessly by James. He wanted to follow in their footsteps and go in Gryffindor, even though he only expressed his fear of being sorted in Slytherin. It was a worst-case scenario for him. As for bravery, like roonwit said, Harry himself didn't display the stupendous amount of courage he had when we met him at the Dursleys. Albus does seem to be a chip off the old block to me and I can see him at the same time being happy and heaving a sigh of relief when the hat announces "Gryffindor" after he puts it on.

Posted by: raonie Jan 30 2008, 09:03 AM

It's like Harry said, probably he asked to the sorting hat put him in Gryffindor, because was what he really wanted. During the books we never noticed someone in the "wrong house", the house he or she doesn't want to be

Posted by: harrydavid Jan 30 2008, 10:24 AM

It's a minor point, but Harry never asked to be in Gryffindor. His only request was to not go to Slytherin. This also happens to be Albus' wish. Harry expressed no concern about the other houses and neither does Albus.

Posted by: roonwit Jan 30 2008, 12:39 PM

That is certainly true of Harry. It is however less certain in the case of Albus. He certainly shares Harry's "not Slytherin" wish, but I think Albus will have a preference for Gryffindor, where most of his family have ended up, probably including most of his Weasley cousins, though I doubt he would mind too much if he ended up in Ravenclaw or Hufflepuff.

Posted by: chloe squibbulus Jan 31 2008, 01:01 AM

I just find it very interesting that everyone is so vehement about ASP being a Gryffindor. Its not as though Rowling has told us what he is yet, so its all speculation. You may think Rowling will go that way with his character, but I am not so sure I agree. And personally, since we don't know, I would rather see him not be just like Harry.

Also, we don't know that much about what Sirius was like when he was 11. I think you are basing your ideas of him not wanting to be a Slytherin on his older self.

But as I pointed out before. There have been polls that show that the overwhelming majority of people who choose a house, will choose Gryffindor. Yet in the books, the kids are split up pretty much evenly in 4 houses. So obviously, not all of us (if we were wizards) would make it into Gryffindor. No, the books don't really show us kids not liking the house they are in. But they might just come to like it (most people get used to what they are around), or we might just not have heard from the right people.

Posted by: roonwit Jan 31 2008, 05:09 AM

Not really. We are including it in our considerations, but really the rebellious nature of Sirius and his dislike of his family's views are entirely consistent with his behaviour on the train where he seems unhappy that family tradition destines him for Slytherin, and decides that it might be fun to rebel.
But I do think that the desire to put Albus in Slytherin is going against what is in the books. Albus has a very clear preference - not Slytherin - and a family background that through nature and nurture that will destine him for Gryffindor. He also shows no characteristics that would make him suitable for Slytherin. So it is much more than just everyone wanting to be in Gryffindor, which I doubt is true in the wizarding world anyway. It is natural that readers of the books should be biased towards Gryffindor where most of the characters they know are placed, but the wizarding world at large will have a much broader experience.

Posted by: chloe squibbulus Jan 31 2008, 07:40 PM

I still say we don't know that much about Albus. We have a snapshot only. I think your point about readers of the books being biased towards Gryffindor is true and it is part of what I am trying to point out. We are reading the whole HP series from a biased point of view - that of Gryffindor being the best house told from the perspective of a famous and wonderful Gryffindor who loves it. I just think there are many other potential perspectives that would make a new series or any further books very interesting (like, as I suggested placing Albus in Slytherin). I am not trying to ruin the child, I just think that Rowling has already done the Gryffindor perspective. I would like to see the next perspective be from one of the other houses, because they probably think that they are the best too. Besides, I don't think that really 1/4 of all wizards are necessarily bad just because they are in Slytherin. Also, there are bad folks from the others houses as well (though I admit not in the same numbers as Slytherin). I think a book that was about a child from Slytherin like Snape and all his conflicts would be very interesting. Or a book about a child of Luna's who is a Ravenclaw. Or about the little celebrated Hufflepuffs. I just would get rather tired of just a repeat of the same character type in the same house for any more books. But perhaps Albus won't really be the subject of another book. Still...I would in my own mind rather see him differentiated from his dad. Harry shared some of James' qualities but he wasn't as mean or as arrogant as James. There is no reason that Albus can't be somewhat like Harry but different too.

Posted by: rowena r Feb 1 2008, 04:24 AM

Albus doesn't have to be sorted into a different house to show that he is different from his father Chloe. We have in our trio three totally different personalities in Harry, Ron and Hermione. But all of them were Gryffindors. Albus Severus could very well be in Gryffindor and be quite different from Harry as Harry like you said, was different then James.

Mind you, I'm not asserting that Albus has to go in Gryffindor. It's just that, I feel he'll go to Gryffindor given his anti-Slytherin stand and background.

Posted by: chloe squibbulus Feb 2 2008, 03:30 PM

What I think we need to remember though is that Harry wasn't put into Gryffindor because he wanted to be, he just wasn't put into Slytherin. He had elements of both houses in him (the Gryffindor predominantly in his own character and Slytherin in the Voldemort piece of soul in him). The sorting hat may have chosen to put him in Gryffindor only because he really had elements of both, and obviously, the Slytherin part was smaller than the Gryffindor part.

However, most people don't have two souls in them. So I don't think that the Sorting Hat's decision is necessarily an indication that it always takes the person's choice into account more than just as a final element that would end a toss up. It took Harry's into account because that was the only good reason to choose one over the other. On the average person there would be less reason for a split. And still, it would only be between the houses that really share elements of the person's character. I am not convinced at all that the Sorting Hat would put anyone into a house they wanted, simply because they wanted it. Or in the reverse situation that the Hat would choose not put someone in a house, simply because they didn't like it. I think this sort of thinking makes that hat into a lot more of a decision making entity that it seems really to be. Its purpose is just to assess the character of each child and place it in the house that it fits best in. I don't think the hat's job is as a judge, who can be influenced by persuasion - otherwise all children might just choose their own house and they wouldn't need to bother with the hat at all.

And it IS very interesting that Albus' name forms the acronym ASP. Rowling is way too conscious of names not to have noticed this. So I don't think it is such a slam dunk that Albus is a Gryffindor.

Posted by: lady_fibsworth Feb 2 2008, 04:44 PM

I'd like to think that he'd be put in Slytherin. Mainly because I'd like to see a 'good guy' (I assume) become a Slytherin. Since Slytherin is no longer the house it was, it would be interesting and probably help Slytherin's image.

However, it's probably more likely that ASP asked the hat to put him in Gryffindor, so that's where he'd be.

I would really like it if some of the children went into houses other than Gryffindor though; if Rose was a Ravenclaw, for example.

Posted by: invisibilitybooster1 Feb 2 2008, 05:35 PM

in one of my fanfics, I had Albus sit in the Sorting ceremony, then the Hat says:

“Ahh another Potter? Yes I Sorted your father to. He had all the material for Slytherin but he asked me to put him In Gryffindor. And you possess all the qualities your father has: Talent a thirst to prove yourself, determination, and resourcefulness… But where should I put you?”
“Not Slytherin, Please not Slytherin.” Albus whispered mortified
“Not Slytherin eh? You are your father all over again Potter. I was never going to put you in Slytherin. But are you sure? You could be great. Its all here and Slytherin will help you achieve greatness no doubt about that. No? In that case… I’m going to put you in:
“GRYFFINDOR!” the Hat bellowed for the hall to hear

so yes, i think the hat hesitates with his sorting and ASP begs for Gryffindor like Harry did

Posted by: roonwit Feb 2 2008, 06:08 PM

It is probably much more common than you suggest. We know that the hat seriously considered putting Hermione in Ravenclaw, and takes a long time over many decisions. In this case however I doubt it matters because Albus will prefer Gryffindor and will be suited for Gryffindor, and he neither wants nor is suited to Slytherin.

Posted by: Hatun punchaw Feb 2 2008, 08:06 PM

Sorry, but it was to not put him there. Stated many time throughout this thread. Also, James Sirius already would've been selected by the time Albus Severus puts the hat on.

Certainly J.K. has a name-mania, but acronym-mania?

I still think curiosity is what encompasses Albus Severus more, that's why i believe he'll fit very well in Ravenclaw. James Sirius going to Hufflepuff and Lily Luna going to Slytherin will get a full hogwartsian family...

Posted by: Canis sapiens Feb 2 2008, 11:03 PM

What about Ravenclaw? There are suggestions in the epilogue that Albus Potter has a more sensitve and reflective nature than his older brother, James who seems to have a character not unlike his namesake. Ravenclaw would seem to be the house for the more tender souls, a classic example is Luna and even Cho was quite a sensitive type. Also as the times in which Albus has grown up are kinder that those of his parents or his grandparents, Albus may focus more of his energy towards learnedness and less towards bravery. Lily, James snr, Sirius, Remus and Hermione would all appear to have Ravenclaw's 'ready wit' as well as Gryffindor's 'brave at heart'. Why did the sorting hat then preference one attribute over the other? Could it be because the times they lived through would demand it of them so much more? Who really knows but it's just a thought.

Posted by: Kharina Feb 3 2008, 12:52 PM

I think the house he ends up in depends a lot on what happens between when we see him and his Sorting. I think the reassurance by Harry that he does have a choice and it doesn't matter if he's in Slytherin, might make him more receptive to the idea: sometimes if you feel you have a choice in something it can feel less daunting than something you have to do.

I like to think he would be a Slytherin, it would be nice to have an example of a 'good' Slytherin which we don't really get much of in the books. Yes, there's Snape, but I'm not sure how much that counts. Plus it would help to break down some of the prejudices in the WW if Harry's son was a Slytherin. And his initials are ASP. However, from what we see of him he doesn't seem to have many of the character traits of Slytherin. He does seem to want to live up to his reputation as Harry's son, which might be classed as ambition, I guess... hmm, it's a difficult question.

I don't think he is a carbon copy of Harry, but neither is he a total contrast: I think Al is his own person and I like the fact that his personality doesn't revolve around a projection of Harry into the future. Some things are similar .e.g. the nervousness about Hogwarts, but for Harry that was because it was a totally new world, while that isn't the case for Al.

Posted by: Dancing Mooncalf Feb 5 2008, 08:48 PM

I can't see him in Slytherin. I think the only reason the hat considered putting Harry there is because of his LV soul bit.

Of the other 3 houses I'm not sure? We didn't get to see enough of him to find out if he's smart enough for Ravenclaw. We know Harry's mom was very smart so perhaps Albus inherited some of Lilly's brains and goes to Ravenclaw.

He seemed apprehensive and insecure to me in the small amount of time we had with him and like someone that's very willing to please, so Hufflepuff wouldn't surprise me either.

I'd have to say though that the logical assumption would be Gryffindor. Although based on the fact that James seemed to be somewhat of a jerk I could see Albus out of no where asking the hat to put him not with his brother.

Posted by: albus severus1 Feb 5 2008, 08:51 PM

well as ron said that his daughter should beat scorpius in everything, it means that scorpius mught hit on her and maybe ASP might get pissed off

Posted by: priestess101 Feb 7 2008, 08:07 PM

I cant see the sorting hat putting ASP in slytherin as he shows us for some reason that possibility is a clear and present fear for him(Im really curious to know why he fears being put in slytherin so much) Even from the little bit that is written about ASP it seems to show him as being quite quiet, reserved or shy and somebody whocould be quite a deep thinker, unlike his out going older brother james(who's personality we glimpse could be a combination of his name sake and his uncles fred and george. If not gryffindor like his dad I could envisage ASP being a hufflepuff.

Posted by: roonwit Feb 8 2008, 05:05 AM

It is probably in part that his family have in general seen the worst side of Slytherin house, and whereas his parents were probably careful to present a balanced view of the houses, I doubt his uncle Ron was quite as restrained. I think it is also likely that his brother's teasing that he might be in Slytherin, together with a rather negative depiction of the house from his brother has made him determined to be in Gryffindor.

Posted by: rowena r Feb 8 2008, 08:46 AM

I agree. Ron is not exactly known for his restraint in voicing his opinions on Slytherins. And I'm sure Al would have heard plenty in his 11 years to turn him against Slytherin even if his parents didn't say anything on the subject at home.

Harry had a horror of being sorted into Slytherin even though only two people gave him a preview of sorts. One was Hagrid and the other Draco. Agreed, that Harry would have turned against the house that had in it's illustrious ranks his parents' murderer. But, Al could have gathered that too over the years. I simply can't believe that James, Al and Lily didn't know absolutely anything about their father and Voldemort. Harry would have watered down the details enough to make Al ask why people were staring at him at the station, but the children would surely have heard things about the great war.

As for Al and James, I really don't think Al disliked his brother or his attitude or even wanted to be different from him, or was afraid of him in any way. In fact, the impression I got was just the opposite. Al loved his elder brother even though he got teased and wanted to be like him a lot. Al asks his parents if they'd write to him and when Ginny assures him they would, just like they wrote to James, he is mollified a bit.

Al sets a lot of store by what his elder brother tells him and it shows that he does value his brother's words, and it takes his parent's reassurance to the contrary for him to negate them. If anything, Al would choose to go where his brother had been sorted and not otherwise.

Posted by: kreachers army Feb 8 2008, 01:53 PM

I wouldnt applaud Ron for instilling a prejudice into an impressionable child about Slytherin house, which basicly will mean he would constantly see them as the "enemy".

Posted by: kamion Feb 8 2008, 03:47 PM

I never read Ron's remark as something serious.
I think that JKR more or less put this in to show that Ron feels mature and secure enough to make off color jokes.
His brothers always were the jokers and he the one with the grumpy often rude remarks
( against Moaning Myrtle or Nearly Headless Nick)
After being a guineapig for his brothers for 11 year and sidekick for the Boy Who Lived for another 7 years he now is
Mr. Weasley, father of two lovely children,
married to a wife who loves him for what he is,
having a swell job
.......................... and famous.
He is in the position as he saw himself in the Mirror of Erised.
That's what is pictured, not fueling another start of House feud.

Posted by: kreachers army Feb 8 2008, 04:07 PM

maybe..... but their is a place and a time for "jokes", i thought Harry had a much more mature approach when he said it didnt really matter what house he was in.

Posted by: priestess101 Feb 8 2008, 06:43 PM

I always got the feeling from hermiones remark to ron about him not turning rosie against slytherin and harry remark about not minding him being in slytherin. that maybe they hadn't told the children that in their time slytherin was estranged from the rest of the school. I thought that after the end of the war that the houses reconciled as slytherin did play their part albeit a small part. I thought once the new wizarding order took over that it would be that hogwarts had returned to its heyday where the houses were united.

Posted by: rosePOTTER Feb 8 2008, 07:39 PM

i always thought that Albus S. would do what harry did when he was 11. He's only 11 and wouldn't think like Harry is thinking at the Station, tat slytherin isint as bad as its made out to be and that good people have come out of it. But, if you were the son of Harry Potter, one of the greatest Gryffindors EVER!!!, and you were told that you could choose Gryffindor over Slytherin, what would you choose? He would ask the sorting hat to be in Gryffindor.

do i make sense? lol

Posted by: dominanttuba Feb 12 2008, 09:24 PM

I haven't read all of the previous posts so I'm sorry if I repeat anything that's already been said, but I don't think I will

I like to think that Al would've ended up in Slytherin for a few reasons:

- Mainly, he doesn't want to live his whole life in his grandfather's, father's, or brother's shadow. His whole family is made up of brave, nobel Gryffindors, and being sorted into Slytherin would definitely make him stand out from the rest of the Potter males.

- I feel like Harry's personality was really split between his two sons- James seems to be the more boisterous, rambunctious, trouble-making, prankster-ish son; and Albus is the more mild-mannered, reserved, yet still very ambitious son. I picture James and Lily as being good at Quidditch and fun to have at a party, but I see Albus as more of the kind of boy who would rather sit inside and read (I read a fanfic once where Al admitted that he had absolutely no talent whatsoever on a broom, and I rather liked that idea). Now this would normally lead you to expect Ravenclaw, but I feel the other two Houses just would not suit him at all, he is too ambitous and too stubborn- he wants to be exactly like the rest of his family and be in Gryffindor, or make a statement and go the complete oppossite way- nothing in the middle will work. Sort of like Harry could most certainly have been in Hufflepuff of Ravenclaw, but the fight always seemed to be between Slytherin and Gryffindor- i think the same would go for Albus.

- I think Slytherin is still rather torn when it comes to the subject of where it's loyalties lie. I think the rest of the world still sees it as where all the dark wizards come out (and to some extent that will always be true, you can't change the past). However, in actuality, I think even people like Scorpius Malfoy (who I aslo believe would be a Slytherin) want to just move on and not have not deal with all of the anti-Death Eater prejudice that would most likely surround the house. And I think that Al would see the injustice of the situation and realize that he has the power to change it. If Harry Potter's on were to be sorted into Slytherin it would certainly make the rest of the world stop and think, and perhaps even stop the prejudice all together. It would also solve the problem of Al's ambition as changing the face of the entire Slytherin house would certainly prove to be quite the challenge...

- (This is sort of an idea for a fanfic I've been rolling around, so it's a bit more hyothtical than factual like my other reasons were but, essentially, I feel like it's definitlely a plausible reason for why Al would choose to be in Slytherin). And yes I said 'choose' because I think that after Al's conversation with his dad on the train platform he would see it as more of a choice on his part than a decision on the hat's part. And I think what really would have made it him start to seriously consider Slytherin as a reasonable house for him to be a part of is the fact that his dad finally told him a bit about the men he was named after, specifically, Snape. I think that Al would have, from an early age known who he had been named for, and over time he would have learned about the many great things that Dumbledore had done. But I think we can deduce from one of the Weasley children's (I can't recall which one at the moment) confusion as to why everyone was staring at Harry that none of the Potters or the Weasley's ever told their kids everything. And like I said, I think DD would have come up every once in a while in normal conversation, but I think Snape would have been too touchy of a subject to come up around the house, and too unknown of a subject to really come up outside the house. So I think Al would always have been curious as to why he was named after someone if they were never deemed important enough to be talked about (like the man his first name or the people his sibling's names came from). So I think the fact that Harry finally told Al that Snape was "the bravest man he ever knew" would have a profound effect on young Al. And it probably got him thinking- how was it that a man so brave that his father, the man who defaeted Voldemort, would deem him the bravest man he ever knew got sorted into Slytherin? Weren't all the brave ones supposed to get into Gryffindor? And I think it woould be this new realization that house to do not entirely define who you are and what you will become is what could lead him to go into Slytherin to prove that not everyone in the house deserves to be immediately labeled as a dark wizard or anything of the like. And I think it would also spark an interest in Snape that could lead to wanting to be a part of the house he was a part of. After all, if you were named after a man you knew nothing about and had spent the better part of your childhood wondering about, woundn't you want to learn everything you could about him.

So anyway, if you don't want to read through all of what I just wrote (and believe me, I wouldn't blame you), I think it would have been a combination of wanting to break out of the mold that every Potter beforehim had set, a new found pride in the man he had been named for, ambition, and a sense of righteousness that would lead Albus Severus to decide that Slytherin was, in fact, the house he was meant to be in.

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Posted by: Andrea_S Mar 22 2008, 08:39 AM

Ive always liked Albus Severus better than all of harry and ginny's sons and daughter. He always reminded moi of Harry himself seeing as he was a curious kid. But who's to say that he didnt end up in HUfflepuff? He might have had a good heart just like Harry.

Posted by: mad_nose_moody90 Mar 22 2008, 09:14 AM

I rather like the idea of ASP (asp, lol) becoming a Slytherin. They could use a few more decent people to come out of that house.

I can't say for sure what house ASP would chose though, Gryffindor and Slytherin are both equally likely, given the type of person he is, and what his father told him before boarding the train.

Posted by: Malq Mar 22 2008, 04:09 PM

I think young Albus went to Slytherin. I think Albus suspected that possibility, and feared it. In that manner, he was exactly like his father when he was eleven. But unlike his father, Albus had someone to tell him that there wasn't anything wrong with going there. I think it calmed his fears and would've allowed him to be more accepting of it. I've long thought had Harry's experiences in the train been different, or he had met someone who told him there wasn't something wrong with being in Slytherin, Harry would've ended up in that house and not Slytherin.

The final point of Harry telling Albus that his choices would influence the Sorting Hat decision was to tell Albus he wasn't being dragged into it.

I can't prove it, but my gut feeling tells me Slytherin.

There is nothing to tell us about who he was, his characteristics, likes/dislikes, character, morals etc... in canon. As such, I don't think one can conclude the House using that line of thinking through canon. However, the entire topic is speculating, so that is the point here.

Posted by: wickedboy Mar 22 2008, 05:06 PM

Hopefully this kid got into Gryffindor where his brother could take him under his wing and help him lighten up a little. He was a bit of a worry wort and whiny, so he needed to learn to cut loose a bit and be more fun loving and mischievious like his older brother. I'm pretty sure he'd get in Gryffindor as his dad had told him he could demand it of the hat - and he sounded like he would do just that. Plus Potters were all Gryffindors, of brave heart and loyal souls or whatever the motto is. And so was Albus Dumbledore. And then would Harry be in for it...he'd have two little rabble rousing wild lads on his hands, but lots of funny and fun times too.

Posted by: poohsmiles1 Mar 22 2008, 09:49 PM

i think that he would be put into Gryffindor because of the fact that he is Harry and Ginny's son and the fact that is older brother is in gyffindor if the potter famliy is anything like the weasly famliy then if the oldest child is in one house then all the other ones are going to be in the same house if you think about it like that.

Posted by: weasleygirl93 Mar 22 2008, 10:16 PM

I feel that Al wanted to be in Gryffindor, however, he wouldn't have that severe hatred of Slytherin that many others do.

Posted by: zacz Mar 23 2008, 02:59 AM

I don't think everyone gets a choice like Harry - I think Harry was hard to sort (could have done well in two houses) so the hat took his opinion into account. I don't think it does this to everyone and I could see the hat calling Slytherin or Hufflepuff as soon as the hat hits poor Albus's head not even letting his give his preference.

It seems that Albus doesn't get along well with James (James reminds me of his grandfather and I do this he probably is a bit of a stuck up bully) so Albus may decide he doesn't want to be with James too. Really I don't think we were given enough information to make a decision.

Posted by: Snapehalfbloodprince Mar 23 2008, 01:43 PM

I think he would be in slytherin. His sibbles were probebly in Gryffindor. But i think for Albus Severus he will be in a case like Sirius ( but opposite )

Posted by: Hatun punchaw Mar 23 2008, 07:03 PM

I still wonder why there's still people getting confused. Loyal souls go to Hufflepuff, as loyalty was the most valued virtue by Helga.

Posted by: Elwood J. Blues Mar 23 2008, 07:25 PM

I'm inclined to think that he would go into Gryffindor, he wouldn't want to go into Slytherin, but what Harry said at the station might have changed his mind a little.

Posted by: potterfan45 Mar 24 2008, 05:18 AM

I think he ended up in Gryffindor like the rest of his family.

Posted by: Ilzairspar Mar 24 2008, 06:10 PM

I can't remember who said it but someone made a comment of a new Trio being Rose-Albus- and Scorpious. I think that would be a neat idea (perhaps in the Pottercast Acting Troup). Think about it, what is Scorpious (of a long line of Slytherns) ended up in the same house as those two. The interaction would be fascinating between what his father has told him and what the Weasly/Potters have taught their chidren.


Anyway, where do I think Albus went? Anywhere but Slytheryn, since he seems to have that opinion. Though I think it will be the Red and Gold for him, I don't think he would care if he wore Yellow and Black, nor Bronze and Blue.

Posted by: Overcast Mar 25 2008, 06:27 PM

I think it could be any of them. If he goes with tradition, then Gryffindor, if he's like Sirius, then he'll break tradition and go in Slytherin. It depends.

Going with what Harry told him in the epilogue, he may not have bad feelings towards Slytherin. Who knows, besides Jo.

If I'd have to guess I'd say Gryffindor to go with his brother. I can also see him becoming friends with Slytherins, like Scorpius. Since he was told that he was named by the bravest man his father ever knew. So, I don't know. It's a toss up. In any case I can see him becoming really popular just because he was named after two head masters and Harry Potter's son.

It makes me wonder what Draco has said about Harry to Scorpius. All very interesting stuff.

Posted by: weasleygirl93 Mar 25 2008, 10:30 PM

I highly doubt that a friendship occurred between Al and Scorpius. I don't have the books on hand right now, but I do recall Ron saying something in the Epilogue and then Hermione snapping "Don't turn them against each other before they've even started school." (Quote not necessarily exact, and I know that Albus is Harry's kid, but its still the same general big happy Weasley family.)

Posted by: Fortress Mar 27 2008, 09:21 PM

Im going to differ from the House talk and say something about Albus and what he is like...he seems like a nervous wreck on his way to Hogwarts, and I can't help but wonder how he got along with girls in his olders years That would be so akward and fun to read.


I personally like to think Albus was put in Gryffindor (Because all he has to do is choose the house he wants, and why would he choose Slytherin? It just doesn't make sense) And then became apart of another trio with Rose and Scorpius. Scorpius is humiliated by the fact he was put in Gryffindor and not Slytherin like his parents, and is a big loner for a long time. He becomes friends with Rose and Albus though, realizing that he wasn't like his parents. Then Rose and Scorpius become the New Hermione and Ron, always fighting because they were brought up in different homes with different beliefs, but develope feelings for one another. And Albus tries to mediate the fights between them, while dealing with an akward crush and also involved in a big Mystery going on at the school like his dad did every year. Oh god PLEASE Jo write another book! Or someone write a similar fan fiction XD

Posted by: pappy16 Mar 28 2008, 05:23 PM

i think he'll be in gryfinndor because he has it in his blood because Harry pulled tha sword out of that hat that only the true gryfinndor could find.Also Ginny's family was all in gryfinndor and so was she so obviously he's gonna be in gryfinndor!

Posted by: iheartrw Mar 29 2008, 06:03 PM

idk about Al but i really think that Lily will be in hufflepuff because thats how she totally came off to me. she was concerned with teddys romance life and she seemed to always want to be in the converstation, like she got along with everyone. it would be nice if at least one of their kids ended up in a house other that gryffindor so that we knew it wasnt just based on the house that your family was in.

Posted by: Hatun punchaw Mar 29 2008, 07:15 PM

My thought is NONE will go to Gryffindor. James to Hufflepuff, Lily to Slytherin and Albus to Ravenclaw. ;)

Posted by: Bratpack Mar 29 2008, 07:29 PM

James is already in Gryffindor. That's the whole reason for him to be aggravating his brother. I think Albus will want to be in Gryffindor just like his mum and dad. It's no big deal really. I think the more telling issue is the fact that Harry confessed to Al that he would be able to choose; letting the boy know that the sorting hat takes his choice into account - which is what the books are all about, after all.

Posted by: Fortress Mar 29 2008, 09:02 PM

Well, we already know it isn't based on the family. Teddy was sorted into Hufflepuff Jo revealed. Padma was Ravenclaw while Parvati was Gryffindor. Sirius was Gryffindor while his whole family was filled with Slytherins. I think Jo established that enough, and I would like to see all the Potter children by Gryffindors. We know James is one, and Albus would most likely will be one since he knows he has a choice. Lily MAY be sorted into another house...I don't know.

Posted by: harrydavid Mar 29 2008, 10:48 PM

Tonks was in Hufflepuff, too. So, that is by family. He could have gone to either Gryffindor, for his dad, or Hufflepuff, for his mum. But your point is absolutely correct. It doesn't always go by family. But usually it does.

Posted by: DarkShadows3 Mar 29 2008, 11:16 PM

I am so interested in way the HP fans are so intrigued by Albus Severus Potter than the other children that Harry & Ginny had. Is it because of his name? The little scene we got on him at the end of the epilogue? Or is it because out of all the kids Albus is the only one who inherits Harry's and Lily's eyes?

Posted by: kendra.dumbledore Mar 29 2008, 11:30 PM

I don't know why either!! Out of Harry and Ginny's children Albus Severus is my favorite!!! I think partly because of all the reasons that you mentioned!!! But for me I like Ron and Hermione's kids better! I think that it is partly because I love the names...I mean come on Rose and Hugo...so cute!!!! I think that if I have a male child his name is going to be Hugo...ok maybe not but how cute would that be!! (sorry if I am a little of topic)

Posted by: topher987 Mar 30 2008, 09:04 AM

I think the intrigue surrounding Albus Severus is mainly because of his name. Dumbledore and Snape are such huge and deep characters that many people love so any connection with those i think instantly creates interests. If he embodied any of Dumbledore's or Snapes characteristics he would be a very interesting and potentially brilliant child indeed. Also he is the kid that gets slightly more share of the epilogue i suppose so already its like you know a bit more about him. I think he would have been like Harry and basically told the sorting hat where he wanted to go and that would be Gryffindor in my mind.

Posted by: Hatun punchaw Mar 31 2008, 09:55 AM

When did J.K. confirmed James Sirius was in Gryffindor?

Posted by: InfestedWithNargles Apr 4 2008, 08:01 PM

I don't know if she confirmed it or not, but it's implied in the epilogue.

I think Albus Severus Potter would be like Harry, and that he would be in Gryffindor.

Posted by: Hatun punchaw Apr 6 2008, 03:37 PM

How and where in the text is it implied?

Posted by: roonwit Apr 6 2008, 04:43 PM

It is actually implied in a few places. Firstly, James wouldn't be implying to Albus that being in Slytherin was a bad thing that might happen to him if he was in Slytherin himself. Also Ron wouldn't be so quick to joke about disowning his children if they weren't in Gryffindor, if James had been sorted into another house. And Albus wouldn't need reassurance against being sorted into another house if he had already seen his parents accepting James even though he was sorted into a different house.

Posted by: Hatun punchaw Apr 7 2008, 07:10 PM

It's just clear that James Sirius wasn't selected in Slytherin. The rest is open to debate

Posted by: harrydavid Apr 7 2008, 07:27 PM

You make excellent points, as usual. I think if James weren't in Gryffindor we would have known it.

Posted by: Dancing Mooncalf Apr 9 2008, 11:45 PM

I could see any house but Slytherin. I say this because I don't think JKR would put the fave son of her hero in Slytherin when she did very little in the series to redeem the house any. Other than Snape (who wasn't always good and how good he was is debatable) and Slunghorn (who thought it was ok to test possibly poisoned mead on house elves) the series has virtually no half way decent Slytherins. The series is really quite prejudiced against Slytherins to the point of it being unbelievable, I mean come on they can't all be bad? But Harry didn't have one Slytherin friend or at the very least one he didn't despise? Yet all of sudden someone who is kind and open minded, which we'd assume Harry's kids would be would get sorted into this house when in 7 books it could only show us 2 barely passable examples of human decency?

I also think one of the reasons families tend to get sorted together isn't because of genes, but the way they're raised and the values they learn through childhood to uphold. Harry, having to fend for himself and fight off Dudley, not to mention face what must have been terrible loneliness and depression as a young child made him brave. The Weasley's would have raised their children all in a similar fashion so of course they'd all value bravery if that's what they were taught to, remember Molly's brothers "died like heroes" so bravery would be a cherished virtue in the Weasley house. People like Sirius for whatever reason (shame we didn't learn more about him) rebelled against his upbringing and took his own path so I think for someone to out of the blue change family house tradition it would have to be a situation where they were somewhat an odd one out in their family. I can't think why Albus Potter would disagree with his family strongly enough on things to the point that he'd be sorted into Slytherin. I think it far more likely that someone like Scorpius would be the one to change family house tradition because I bet Draco would raise his son differently than he was (I don't think he'd raise him to be a loving naive Hufflepuff of course, but I think he'd lighten up a lot with his own son on blood purity and wouldn't teach him to be as cut throat).

Posted by: weasleygirl93 Apr 10 2008, 03:19 PM

Just a point...Jo has also implied that her favorite house was Gryffindor, and she has also said that Albus Severus was her favorite. Why not put the two together and continue the tradition of being an honorable Gryffindor family? Its not like Albus has any reason to not want to be Gryffindor, unlike Sirius not wanting to be Slytherin.

Posted by: Hatun punchaw Apr 10 2008, 06:48 PM

Don't forget Andromeda Tonks, great Slytherin... ;)

Posted by: Oryx Apr 11 2008, 04:59 PM

And Regulus Black.

Though I doubt Rowling would want any of Harry's children to be in Slytherin, I would have loved to see just that. I have a lot of sympathy for the 'brave but not stupid' attitude.

Posted by: stellasofia Apr 11 2008, 08:30 PM

It would be fantastic to see little Albus be a Slytherin, like having dear Scorpius become a Gryffindor or Hufflepuff.

In all liklyhood, though, Albus probably chose to be in Gryffindor.

Posted by: Lorrie Nov 1 2008, 09:54 PM

I like to think that Albus Severus was a Slytherin. I like the idea of him accepting that he is different from his family. I think his personality would be a lot like Harry.

I would Like to see him friends with Scorpius, too.

Posted by: DumblondKatie Nov 2 2008, 03:52 AM

I expect he'll be in Griffendor. He was so scared to be in Slytherin that the sorting hat would have seem that and, like it did for Harry, not put him in Slytherin. That been said maybe he'll be in Ravenclaw or Hufflepuff, but I like to think of him as a Griffendor

Posted by: Hokey-Elf Nov 2 2008, 07:01 AM

Tonk's mum was in Slytherin?!

I think he would be Gryffindor. After all, harry was only considered for Slytherin because LV had passed on some of his powers.

Posted by: priestess101 Nov 2 2008, 05:33 PM

It would of been great if he was in slytherin it could of upped the class of the house.(LOL)But I believe that albus severus would of been placed in gryffindor. if he closest resembles harry in personality then it fits that he has the qualities that godric gryffindor so prized in the people representing his house.

Posted by: keola sombra Nov 3 2008, 06:32 AM

Most likely as Sirius said his whole family was in slytherin, but there is another topic about this, so I won't fuel this discussion further...

I think Albus most likely was in gryffindor, he was so afraid of ending up in slytherin, and wanted so bad to be in gryffindor.. I can't see the sorting hat putting someone in a house that is so far from their wishes. And from what little we do know about him, he doesn't seem like slytherin values are obvious in him.. He seems shy, self concious, wanting people to like him and that's not exactly the thypical slytherin traits.... Slytherins are ambition and cunning and will go through a lot to get what they want, I don't see Albus as very cunning, and not too abitious eighter, it seems like he just wants approval, to be accepted, and that he puts others before him...

But of course hufflepuff or ravenclaw are also possibilities, he does seem loyal, honest, so I could see him in hufflepuff, I don't know about ravenclaw, there really isn't any indication he is very intelligent, creativ, but it's possible, though for some reason I see it as beeing betwene hufflepuff and gryffindor.

I would have liked for him to be in slytherin though, it would do the house good (it probably got a bad reputation now) to have Harry Potters son beeing in it...

Posted by: Sirius_Craic Nov 3 2008, 10:19 AM

Or fuel the few people who believe that Harry was himself a 'dark wizard'. Granted, after the war, that idea probably went flying out the window faster than Snape in the 'the sacking of the Serverus Snape' chapter

Im inclined to think Gryffindor too. I think he would have too many of Harry and Ginnys traits to be considered a true candidate for Slytherin. As some have said he was bullied, im assuming they mean by James? But why would that mean he would be Slytherin i)Slytherins dont seem the type that you could bully easily and ii) It seems more like sibling slagging than bullying. We see some of the same happening between Fred and George on Ron and Ron didnt rebel and want to be placed in Slytherin.

Posted by: Eternity Wish Dec 27 2008, 10:20 PM

Really nice ideas!

I, too, think so.
Albus Severus Potter's name itself has unified 3 individuals.
I hope that Albus Severus, the righteous and empathic one, will make friend with Scorpius Malfoy and eventually eradicate this long-term prejudice between the Gryffindors and the Slytherins. That would be perfect!

Posted by: harrydavid Dec 27 2008, 11:06 PM

From the Bloomsbury Live Chat:

So the groundwork was already laid for more friendship between Gryffindor and Slytherin Students. I think it is very conceivable that Albus would have Slytherin friends.

Posted by: SeldomSeen Dec 27 2008, 11:32 PM

I would hope ASP ends up in Slytherin, if for no other reason than I would very much enjoy reading it. Having him deal with his older brothers disappointment would probably solidify his friendships.

Storyline wise, I think that Albus, like his father would be successful in any house. My non biased opinion is Hufflepuff. He doesn't seem to fit much of anywhere else, and taking in the rest is Helga Hufflepuffs creed.

Posted by: 005Michelle005 Dec 28 2008, 12:40 AM

Who would want to sleep in a dungeon? Nah..im sure most slytherins arent that bad, its just hard for us to picture someone like Harry Ron or Hermione in slytherin house because we havnt exactly seen it in a good light. But take Slughorn for example..he didnt turn out too bad, neither did Snape really..we found out he was good in the end (just a little bitter )
Anyway, Albus could go either way in my opinion (Slytherin or Griffindor) but it doesnt really matter..he's Harry and Ginny's son and he seems like a great boy to me, he'll make any house proud. My personal opinion is that he'll go to Griffindor..and i know what you all think- its the obvious choice, but really, hear me out...Albus seems like Harry was at his age, shy, a little unsure but good..Harry himself didnt want to be in slytherin (he didnt know if he would really fit in anywhere). Even then, we didnt really know the real Harry, the one we learn about thoughout the whole series..who knows what Albus will grow up to be like, but from what we all read in those few pages, he seems alot like Harry. I like the idea of Albus sort of being like the opposite of Sirius- being the only one in slytherin when his whole family is in griffindor (you know, proving slytherin isnt that bad after all and hopefully ending the fude of griffindor vs. slytherin, having his brother and possible friends in griffindor) but in my eyes, i only see him sitting on the stool, whispering to the hat like his father not to be in slytherin and later proving to be a great griffindor..but who knows..we thought alot of things during the harry potter books that turned out different. i keep hoping she will make an 8th book about all the kids (we hardly know anything about them! and there are alot of harry potter freaks including me who want to know everything about them)

Posted by: pigmy_puff123 Dec 28 2008, 12:51 AM

I think Albus Severus would end up in Gryffindor or Ravenclaw. People keep mentioning that he should be in Slytherin but i just don't see that as an option even if the Slytherins aren't all bad he is still the son of Harry. Albus Severus probably didn't want to be in Slytherin for fear of what his dad would think(Harry's hate for Slytherins was really a secret) and the sorting hat would take that into account. Hufflepuff is an option but not very likely because a son of Harry would probably have a more corageous and intelligent personality. So that leaves Gryffindor or Ravenclaw but Gryffindor would probably be more likely than Ravenclaw.

Posted by: roonwit Dec 29 2008, 06:03 PM

I think that it is unrealistic to think that one friendship can make any difference to the relationships between the two houses, after all the Lily-Severus friendship seemed to have no effect whatsoever. That rivalry has been going on for over 1000 years, so it will take a long time to change that.
A friendship between Albus and Scorpius is possible, but both house and family history means it isn't very likely, and it would require qualities in Scorpius and Albus to make them worth befriending from the point of view of the other.

Posted by: Eternity Wish Jan 1 2009, 11:50 AM

Albus Severus Potter will definitely be in Gryffindor, as far as I can see.

In response to the post above:
You do have point there.
But look:
Friendship between Gryffindors and Slytherins had never worked out before.
Take Lily-Snape for example: it hadn't worked because Snape always yielded the spotlight to Lily (as implied through "Half-blood Prince") and Lily had far more flaws than I imagined. In short, it's due to poor communication between them.
Also note that the moment the Sorting Hat placed those two in separate Houses, their friendship seemed to have already ended there. It didn't take much commotions later to do the job.
So we all could see that the Sorting tradition has started it all, those grudge and prejudices; ppl. fail to see the good in the Slytherins.

Many people have wondered why Hermione ended up in Gryffindor instead of Ravenclaw.
I always wonder why the kids mostly, if not always, made friends within the same House.
In the past, if Sirius followed his family into Slytherin, would James still befriend him?
The Marauders made friends with such a person like Peter Pettigrew probably for the fact that he, too, was in Gryffindor.
Snape chose to be in Slytherin but he passed many Gryffindors in courage and loyalty.

So Choices don't always determine what people are, do they?

I'd like to see kids in different Houses form friendships, like:
Albus Severus Potter in Gryffindor,
Rose in Ravenclaw
Scorpius in Slytherin

That would be perfect! If this friendship works out, it'll set an exemplar for others, right?
With each kid being in a different House, he/she will help enlighten his/her peers, too, on the matter of acceptances.

Posted by: priestess101 Jan 4 2009, 03:15 AM

If any of the potter children were destined to belong to slytherin house it would surely be james not albus that would have more of the traits that make slytherins list. He seemed a little cunning, he seemed extremely confident in himself and I imagine he is more than a little resourseful where as albus seems much more shy, reserved and thoughtful and I see gryffindor or hufflepuff as a good match for Albus

Posted by: freetheelves Jan 5 2009, 02:01 AM

yeah I like the idea of Albus being in Gryffindor, Scorpius being a Slytherin (but a really great guy) and Rose being in Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw and them all being good friends. Like Harry, Ron, and Hermione but in three different houses and therefore setting an example for ALL houses to get along.

Albus just doesn't seem like a Slytherin to me because he said "I wont I wont" But I do think he'll learn to not be prejudiced against them and make Slytherin friends.

Also, I think Albus Dumbledore HAD to have been a Gryffindor. Everything about him screams Gryffindor to me. He's like the Gryffindors we know, he likes Muggles like Arthur, he gives Neville cred for standing up to his friends in book 1 just like he stands up to Fudge, he would rather not be Minister of Magic than take a job where he was tempted to abuse his power, he's like Hermione in McGonagall in that he doesn't break rules just for the fun or heck of it but if doing so is for a higher purpose (lying about the DA for example) he will, even at his own risk. Not many around him would be advising him to do this stuff, they would want a bit of his power, think he's loony or nuts, not get it, think he's soft, think he trusts too much - his bravery is that he can do what he knows is right even against that tide, it gives him strength to know he acts courageously and does the right thing even when it's difficult and you are the only one saying "this is what's right" I say he's so a Gryffindor.

Posted by: Sirius_Craic Jan 5 2009, 05:57 AM

That sounds alot like Harrys father, James. Yet he was Gryffindor.

Posted by: birdi86 Feb 5 2009, 06:34 PM

I have to say when I hear about a wizard who wants to rule the world, is fascinated with Dark Lords and wants to put Muggles in their proper place (for their own good, of course) I don't think of a Gryffindor. Yes, it's a stereotype but when I hear the above qualities I think "Slytherin".

Dumbledore obviously admired the qualities of Gryffindor but they clearly didn't come easily to him judging by who he was as a young person. In fact, I tend to think that when Dumbledore said to Snape "perhaps we sort too soon" he was talking about himself as much as (or more so than) Snape.

Posted by: harrydavid Feb 6 2009, 12:22 AM

Dumbledore spent two months of madness after leaving Hogwarts, plotting to rule the world. Bear in mind he never did anything about it other than talk about it. If you consider this Slytherin traits, then go ahead, but there were no indications of this before or after that summer, so he was obviously properly sorted into Gryffindor.

Edited to add: And Dumbledore was definitely not talking about himself. They had just been discussing Snape's bravery and that was clearly the point of the comment.

Posted by: scarymissmary28 Feb 6 2009, 05:30 AM

I'd like Albus Severus to be in Slytherin...although things had changed after the defeat of Voldemort the wizarding world still didn't seem to think highly of Slytherins.Albus Severus himself was afraid that he would end up there,so I think it would be a good idea to face his "fear" and show both the wizarding world and himself that there can be good or great people even in Slytherin.After all,just a Hogwarts House doesn't show a person's true character;people are too complex to be described by just "Slytherin" or "Gryffindor"...

Posted by: french soup Feb 6 2009, 07:00 AM

I also think he would be slytherin. First of all : Jo would never had make him voice his doubts if somewhere in her brain she had not planned to put him in Slytherin. I think that after Harry, it would have been very Rowling-like to want to put him in slytherin to proove that they're not all bad. And Harry tells him so. The whole book serie is about overcoming the houses prejudice or any kind of prejudice in general so that would only make sense if Albus Severus was that kind of person who help people change their mind about slytherin being all bad. In a way, Albus Severus seems to be *the* speacial kid among Harry's kids. He's got to be different. he's got to. The epilogue clearly show that, the epilogue is the begining of *his* story in many ways and i don't think this story would have to be a copy of harry's own.

And, last argument. Well. He's got quite a name: Albus Severus. He's got to be like both these characters, he's got to be a character who's not only black and white, he's got to be a grey character and to be so, i don't think putting him in gryffindor would be a good idea. He can't learn to be "bad" amongst good people. He's got to be good among people everybody thinks bad. It only makes sense.

Posted by: lnh92 Feb 6 2009, 05:29 PM

I think he would be a syltherin. Jo had him voice doubts and Harry told him it would be ok if he was in Slytherin. He is a very interesting character and I wish Jo would write about him.

Posted by: roonwit Feb 6 2009, 06:53 PM

I don't see Albus voicing his doubts, rather he is voicing his fears (encouraged by his brother) that he might end up in a house he doesn't like (ie. Slytherin). Harry does tell him that they wouldn't mind, but more importantly he tells Albus that he can choose, and it is that which reassures Albus, because he (like Harry) can choose "not Slytherin".

Posted by: birdi86 Feb 7 2009, 12:43 AM

Those feelings came from somewhere. They didn't just appear and clearly, they didn't leave so easily either as evidenced by Dumbledore's refusal to become Minister of Magic because the power was too tempting.

So yeah, since it is canon, I will consider those Slytherin traits. But thanks for giving me the ok there, JKR.



... I know that. I meant on a subtextual level.

Posted by: Robbie Rowe Feb 7 2009, 07:26 AM

It doesn't really matter what house he got in, as long as he is in Hogwarts, a fine institution of learning and a place fraught with danger. Has anyone listened to the Albus Sevurus Potter part of PotterCast? I quite like it, even though I've only listened to one.

Posted by: Ginnys Phoenix Feb 7 2009, 08:48 AM

I think Albus would do great in any house. I think after Harry talked to him he wouldn't have cared if he ended up in Slytherin.
I personally would love to have Albus in Slytherin, but that is because I like Slythern (Yes I do. Atlhough Slytherin is shown so badly) there is no canon evidence that would put Albus in any spesific house. I also like the idea of a Albus-Rose-Scorpius trio.

Posted by: readhp1008 Feb 8 2009, 08:29 PM

he is in griffindor Duh!!!! and he is probably smart crazy sneaky and a bit rash

Posted by: vaudree Mar 23 2009, 05:13 PM

Before I comment - My biases – I figure that either Luna was a failed red herring or the original plan – but that the movies would have been more successful if it was Ginny that Harry ended up with. Harry’s kids would have been James Sirius, Albus Severus and Lily Luna no matter who his wife was, but Locan and Lysander seem a strange choice for Luna since Lysandra was Arthur Weasley’s grandmother. I picture Ginny more as Lily Luna’s god mother than mother because it makes more sense to me. In fact I would have liked to have seen the pregnant Ginny tell Lily Luna that she knows what it was like to wait and Lily Luna saying that she wanted to be just like her Aunt Ginny when she grew up.

There is also a sense that Abus Severus was created to heal the wounds which existed in both his namesakes by finding love and keeping it. If it was Harry and Luna, then there could be something between Albus Severus Potter and Rose Weasley. Because it became Harry and Ginny, the possibility of Albus Severus and Rose no longer exists which I think is sad. They could still be friends, but not much more.

The other thing that seems weird is that the Potter kids wonder why people are staring at them. If their mother was a famous ex Quidditch player and present sports reporter (ie Ginny) then wouldn’t they be used to being stared at – even if Harry was not around? Luna seems more like one to lead a quieter life and to garner less attention when taking the kids about. We learn in DH that it is Xenos who is the strange one and that much of Luna’s strangeness was in trying to please daddy.

pages 1 to 5 (will try not to use the word "jamtart")

The ASP initials seems to be something that Jam - er James II would point out to Albus Severus when he was teasing him about being in Slytherin. I just assumed by James II's attitude that he was in Gryffindor - and Harry chastising Ron's mantra to his own kids about disowning them if they were not in Gryffinder also led to that impression. Harry just told Abus Severus that it did not matter which house he was in.

Agree that Ginny would be upset if any of the clan ended up in Slytherin - it doesn't make sense with her ability to hold grudges that she would be that happy being in a house that she spent much of her youth hating. But I also figure that Ginny would have been upset to find out that Harry was considered for Slytherin.

Since Harry has taken away the fear of displeasing his father if he was not put in Gryffindor, I agree that Albus Severus may think twice of being in the same house as James II. Personally, I think that Albus Severus would wish to be in the same house as Rose. I wonder if Rose would risk being elsewhere than Gryffindor - Ron is her father but both mom and uncle Harry basically said that she didn't need to be in Gryffindor.

Personally, I would like to see Albus Severus in Slytherin.

Harry, DD and Snape were all half-bloods who were fonder of Hogwarts than their own homes. I think that Harry feels a special kindred towards Albus Severus and wants to give him the home he never had - and the future that neither DD nor Snape got. I still don't know how Harry had a child as nasty as James II unless Harry also had a need to let his father be reborn.

Because of the way Regulus was brought up, he probably thought he was on the good side - and Voldemort fooled more people the first time - before he showed his true colours. Regulus gave his life, not for an equal but a subordinate. It is like what Black said about the measure of a man being how he treats his inferiors. I have nothing but respect for Regulus.

Remember that Cormac McLaggen was a Gryffindor - and he is not a very likable fellow!

JKR said something about Scorpius having problems beyond the name his parents gave him. Scorpius would definitely not have the status his father had early on, though still the perks of wealth his father had. I wonder what problems Scorpius has.

It could be something simple like Scorpius having a crush on James Sirius - which would would not please his parents one bit (and would not be pleasant since James is a bit of a bully - even if James did like Scorpius back, he would never admit it). Or it could be some sort of disability which causes him to be a subject of bullying. I find it odd that Draco would name his son after something resembling those blasted end things Hagrid cooked up.

This is getting into a topic of an existing thread. Harry did not wish to be in Slytherin because he associated the house with the guy who killed his parents. What showed Harry's bravery was that, despite how important Hogwarts was to him, he would risk it all not to be in Slytherin. Harry could have ended up in Hufflepuff (which was not presented as a good house by at least Ron and possibily Hermione and Draco) - but he was willing to take that risk. It may have been his willingness to take that risk that landed him in Gryffindor.

DD said something about the chosing happening too soon - I wonder whether Snape wanted to end up in the same dorm as James and Black. Snape wanted to be with Lily and he already knew that Lily was in Gryffindor when his turn came. One wonders what would have happened if Snape and Lily were in the same house. I think that is one reason I would like Abus Severus and Rose to be in the same house.


This goes back to what DD said about Tyrants fearing those whom they oppress in HBP and his talk about Harry's lack of desire for power through-out. Harry was destined to face off with Voldemort - but to stop Voldemort from destroying lives rather than replace him in power. It may not have been so much that the soul fragment contained Slytherin qualities as it was that Harry could have used the soul fragment to control Voldemort. Think of it, if all the other Horcruxes were destroyed, Harry would be in the same position as Jack Sparrow except that he would have Voldemort's soul fragment rather than Davey Jones's beating heart.

Harry is cunning - which is a Slytherin trait.

James II shares James's desire for an advantage over his opponents whereas Abus Severus seems more to have a good heart. Harry doesn't like being at a disadvantage, but he does have a certain sense of fairness that the original James lacked.

Posted by: fd24 Mar 26 2009, 05:01 AM

Albus Severus would have been in Gryffindor. I think Harry saw a bit of himself in Albus because he also feared that he would be in Slytherin.

Posted by: ollie Mar 26 2009, 09:47 PM

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Before I comment - My biases – I figure that either Luna was a failed red herring or the original plan –

Well you're wrong!
Luna wasn't even part of the original plan, hence the reason why she wasn't mentioned in the Epliogue, which was written after Philosopher's Stone.
Jo showed her first draft of notes for OotP, once, and Luna wasn't even in them. She was a very late inclusion. When asked where the idea for Luna came from Jo said she had no idea, she just came to her.
This obviously took place after that first notebook draft of ideas for OotP.
Besides, this has nothing to do with Albus Potter's personality.

Posted by: vaudree Mar 27 2009, 06:26 PM

Where did you hear this? Why was Luna included at all? Or as much as she was in OOTP? What makes me suspicious is that JKR guards her books very carefully so that we all find out the plot together when the book comes out. If we do see anything of the book, it is a page which reveals some but not all of the book.

I think you would be in the "failed red herring" category - "failed" because the "herrings" were deemed too unimportant and/or easy to dismiss to be considered.

The HP series was not like the Nose From Jupiter! What was construed as harmless in NFJ was considered potentially dangerous in the HP books - with one glaring exception.

And we don't know anything about the original epilogue other than the fact that JKR had originally planned to state everyone and their families rather than limit it to just a few names (ie the trio and Draco). She said that it was everyone surrounding Harry to the point that you could not see his scar or something. It sounded like the future version of the mirror of Erised in that he would not be surrounded by dead relatives but by family and friends.



Albus Severus Potter and Rose Weasley are the same age and starting Hogwarts together. Who Albus Severus's mother is does determine whether his relationship with Rose is just friendship or can eventually be something more.

Come to think of it, which house is Rose going to be in? Given a choice, I think that Albus Severus would like to be in the same house as Rose.

Ever notice Hugo (Hermione) and Ron (Rose) - that the kids have names which start with the first names of their parents? Hugo also means "Intelligent" - making him seem like the one most like Hermione.

Albus Severus seems shy and insecure - someone who worries too much. Rose I think would be a tomboy, red-haired like her father (Rose meaning "red"), and probably very active in sports being her father's daughter. But strange that Rose, like Albus Severus, is also worried about which house she will be in.

'If you're not in Gryffindor, we'll disinherit you,' said Ron, 'but no pressure.'
'Ron!'
Lily and Hugo laughed, but Albus and Rose looked solemn.

Then again, Lily and Hugo have a while before they face that kind of "no pressure" - so it may have more to do with Albus Severus and Rose's shared experience of being in first year than to do with something that is part of their personality.

Wonder what Hugo was saying to Rose about the sorting. Also wonder what Hugo and Rose's middle names are.

Part of Albus Severus's story is that he is in the same year as Rose.

Part of Lily Luna's story is that she is about the same age as Hugo (give or take a year).

I don't know if there are any Weasley cousins about James Sirius's age, but he is the only Potter child that doesn't have a match with an H-R child. I don't like him very much since he isn't as kind or good natured as Albus Severus and strikes me as wanting to strike up the old James-Black versus Snape rivrary.

Posted by: ollie Mar 28 2009, 12:25 AM

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Where did you hear this?

It was on Jo's web site a couple of years ago. She put copies of her notes for OotP on it. There was one page where she wrote about the comparison between Cho and Ginny. Other pages talked of various plot points, but Luna wasn't mentioned once.

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Who Albus Severus's mother is does determine whether his relationship with Rose is just friendship or can eventually be something more.

Albus Severus's mother is Ginny Potter (nee Weasley). It's nonsense to even think it was ever going to be anyone else. What on earth his relationship with Rose has to do with anything is beyond me.


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And we don't know anything about the original epilogue other than the fact that JKR had originally planned to state everyone and their families rather than limit it to just a few names (ie the trio and Draco).

We know she wrote it after the first book, and then filed it away, telling herself she was always going to finish the series and get to that point.
We know she changed it slightly to put in a mention of Grandpa Weasley, as Arthur was originally supposed to die. Plus the last sentence was going to be "....Only Harry's loved ones could see his scar" or something like that.

You expect us to believe that she originally wrote an Epilogue with Harry married to Luna, yet, Luna did not exist when Jo wrote PS.
Can't you see that, from the beginning, the Weasleys were written as Harry's future family. Ginny was written in as the future love-interest/wife/ mother of his children.
Have you listened to Jo's interviews where she talks of hoping the reader worked out that she was writing Ginny to be the ideal girl for Harry.
Luna was never going to be Harry's love interest. If she had been, she would have been on Platforn 9 3/4 in PS, been possessed by Tom in CoS, had the crush on Harry that would be reversed in HBP etc.
I can understand you liking Harry/Luna and wishing it had happpened in the books, but I can't condone your efforts to insist that JKR planned H/L, then changed her mind, because that is so false.

Posted by: vaudree Mar 28 2009, 04:17 PM

I've never seen that one on the JKR webpage - wonder if you can ask the mods since Leaky keeps track of such things. And no G-H shipper I've come across has ever brought it up. Would like to see it.

There are so many details with the books and the interviews that none of us can keep track of all of them.

Albus Severus cannot very well marry Rose if they are first cousins. One can't even ship them together if they are first cousins - according to the rules. The most they can be are platonic friends.



There were going to be more loved ones around. The original plan was to have Harry so surrounded by loved ones that onlookers could not see his scar. Thus, it was changed more than slightly. There are a lot of people missing that were originally going to be there. JKR said something about the editors thinking it too messy - can't find that one yet (think it was preDH) but found this so far:

J.K. Rowling: A little. But I have to say that I-- it would have been humanly impossible to answer every single question that comes up. Because I'm dealing with a level of obsession in some of my fans that will not rest until they know the middle names of Harry's great-great-grandparents.

Meredith Vieira: (LAUGHTER) Well, yeah, people have gotten a little obsessive.

J.K. Rowling: Yeah, I love it. I'm all for that. I'm delighted they feel that way. But, you know, this is-- it's a book. You know? Maybe one day there'll be an encyclopedia and that would be a different-- a different kettle of fish. But within a novel, within a novel, you have to resist the urge to tell everything
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20001720/

Rowling said her original epilogue was “a lot more detailed,” including the name of every child born to the Weasley clan in the past 19 years. (Victoire, who was snogging Teddy — Lupin and Tonks’ son — is Bill and Fleur’s eldest.)
“But it didn’t work very well as a piece of writing,” Rowling said. “It felt very much that I had crowbarred in every bit of information I could … In a novel you have to resist the urge to tell everything.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19959323

My regular leakey link doesn't work any more - it keeps asking for a log in.

The granddad Weasley will not forgive you for marrying a pureblood seems a bit rich since Arthur chose for himself a pureblood wife. Personally, I think that telling someone they can't marry a pureblood is as limiting as saying that they have to.

I do wonder how seriously Rose and Hugo take daddy's rants - and what purpose Ron has in making them. Do you think Ron is being serious or a devil's advocate. Hugo and Rose were discussing the sorting just before he made those comments.

The closeness of Harry to Ronmoine insures that Harry's two youngest will have, at least initially, strong contact with each other in Hogwarts.

I wonder if any of the other Weasley children started when James Sirius did or whether he was the odd man out. If it is the latter, he may be jealous that Albus Severus starts off with a friend (Rose) that can aid him during the initial loneliness of a new place.



There is a difference between pretty much ideal girl and ideal woman. The series ended before Ginny became a woman (age 17 in the wizarding world) so we never see what changes between Ginny as a girl and Ginny as a woman - I would have liked at least that for closure. I would have liked to know how Ginny went from being almost perfect to perfect (but for another thread).

Back to Albus Severus,

I really like him as a character - I like his innocence and the fact that he seems nothing like James Sirius. Though, he is probably a bit more like James Sirius than I can see from this short glimpse of him.

With an older brother with a middle name "Sirius" there is an allusion to the Black and Regulus brotherhood. Regulus was less good looking than Black and more eager to please their parents. Regulus, though caught up with the pureblood mentality of his parents was kinder to perceived inferiors than either Black or Bellatrix. Regulus's sacrifice was greater than Snape because Snape did so because of his love for a perceived superior rather than the fondness of a perceived inferior. I see some of the same eagerness to please and kindness in Albus Severus, though I may be reading to much into a short glimpse.

Posted by: roonwit Mar 29 2009, 05:17 PM

I believe this is referring to one of the scrap book pages that you need to do the right things to reveal. It contains planning notes for chapters in the middle of the book, and it is true it doesn't mention Luna. However in the row about the "Rita Returns" chapter, there is a mention of 'Missy' Slipkiss, which might have been an early name for Luna.
Personally, I suspect Luna's place in the story was originally going to be filled by the Weasley cousin who got edited out of GoF (with other bits of her role being taken up by Rita Skeeter). So I don't think there was ever any chance of Harry ending up with Luna because Jo had paired him with Ginny very early on, and before Luna was invented as a character.

As for Albus Severus, I am sure he would choose Gryffindor if the sorting hat wasn't going to place him there anyway, and his reasons for that choice would include being able to win that particular battle with his brother over what house he would be in.

Posted by: ollie Mar 29 2009, 07:38 PM

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I believe this is referring to one of the scrap book pages that you need to do the right things to reveal. It contains planning notes for chapters in the middle of the book, and it is true it doesn't mention Luna. However in the row about the "Rita Returns" chapter, there is a mention of 'Missy' Slipkiss, which might have been an early name for Luna.
Personally, I suspect Luna's place in the story was originally going to be filled by the Weasley cousin who got edited out of GoF (with other bits of her role being taken up by Rita Skeeter). So I don't think there was ever any chance of Harry ending up with Luna because Jo had paired him with Ginny very early on, and before Luna was invented as a character.

Thank you! I knew I had read it on Jo's Web page years ago.
I agree with you about the Weasley cousin evolving into Luna. I have always been sure that if Luna had been thought of from the beginning there would have been a mention of her. Think of all the times Harry mentions seeing Ginny, and how easy it would have been for a line about the dotty-looking blonde friend with her.

As for young Albus, I only see him as a Gryffindor. I shudder at the thought of him in Slytherin!

Posted by: vaudree Mar 29 2009, 09:00 PM

This is what I get every time I look at the main leaky page - where I used to access the interviews: http://69.61.75.155/login Should really take it out of book marks. There is a three part interview I'm looking for which happened within 24 hours of HBP coming out - which is the only place I think the timing of Luna's invention was discussed.

There will be a

Failed Red Herrings or Original Intentions
(and the alternative HP universes they imply)

soon enough (working out the permission) for some of the argument that goes too far away from from Albus Severus. Will say, though, that Rita Skeeter (whose original name was Bridget) was the replacement for Mafalda Weasley the half-blood cousin.
http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/en/extrastuff_view.cfm?id=3

Since JKR has all these notes on Mafalda Weasley - I wonder if she will give one of the next generation of Weasleys her personality.

The best thing about Mafalda was that she was a match for Hermione. To the latter's horror, Mafalda was highly gifted and a real show-off, so that Hermione was torn between deploring the rule-breaking and longing to join in and beat her.

Mafalda sounds like Lily (highly gifted), James (show off) and the twins (rule breaking) all rolled into one. Maybe Albus Severus and Rose meet her reincarnation in Hogwarts.

I wish we had the ages of the other Weasley cousins. Molly and Lucy are in Hogwarts we know because we see Percy at the train station. Lucy is a version of the Latin Lucia which is the female version of Lucius.

Thinking of Lady and the Tramp - could Molly and Lucy be like the Siamese cats?

Scorpius (sounds like an old TV show) starts the same year as Albus Severus and Rose - and JKR hints that the kid has problems. I wonder whether Albus Severus and Rose help him deal with his problems or whether his problems become their problem in a bad way (ie the problems make him nasty). JKR has me curious!

Think if there was ever a Hogwarts: The New Generation series, that it would be more the level of Dora the Explorer and Jacob Two Two than Lord of the Rings - so we may need to wait until Jessica Rowling gets pregnant (another 10-15 years). Wonder if someone will develop magic late in life in this series - if it ever materializes. Would that person be a few years older than everyone else in their year then?

Missy Slipkiss (Slipkinson?) could be an early name for Luna, though I think Rita calls Hermione "missy" in that chapter. Missy is usually short for Melissa and there is no Melissa in the series (though Melinda is sometimes short for Melissa Linda).

Speaking of names - what would Rose's middle name be?

Posted by: roonwit Mar 30 2009, 03:54 PM

It is http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/features/interviews/jkr1 but it doesn't really say anything about Luna's origins.
In GoF she was, but Rita can't fill the school girl role that Mafalda would have had in future books, which is where I thing Luna comes from. Rita was going to be there anyway though, as she was "built up to fulfil Mafalda's function" implying that she was always going to be a character but with a lesser role.

Posted by: Laura W Mar 30 2009, 06:29 PM

"Speaking of names - what would Rose's middle name be?" - vaudree



Hermoine, of course. (Big smile) Rose Hermoine Weasley.

Ginevra's middle name - Molly - is her mother's first name, and Hermoine's middle name - Jean - is her mother's first name so I figure that if Jo gives Rose a middle name, it would be ... her mother's first name. Just guessing though. Personally, I just like Rose Weasley without a middle name. (Rose Hermoine Weasley sounds somewhat awkward to me.)
It's interesting that Scorpius' middle name is not Draco. I like that Jo did that though. In real life, not everybody is given the same name as their parents or as another relative. (Nobody in my extended family was.)
But Hugo Ronald Weasley sounds good to my ear. A nice, solid masculine name. Just a wicked thought here (heheh) ... I don't suppose Ron would have entertained the possibility of giving his son the middle name "Vicktor". Nah ...

I also think that the odds are very high that Albus Severus was placed in Gryffindor. Both his parents were, and every member of both his parents' families were as well. Of course there are always exceptions to this rule *cough*sirius black*cough*. But I'd say he was probably sorted into Gryffindor. For me, the most interesting case of sorting is not Sirius but the Patil sisters. Not only sisters, but twins. Yet they were sorted into different houses.











Laura

Posted by: Gryfindorprincess09 Mar 30 2009, 09:00 PM

I think Al would be the most like Harry and I also think that he would end up in Gryffindor along with Rose and Scorpius Malfoy and they would be the next trio

Posted by: fr0z3nfire Apr 28 2009, 01:56 AM

I'm not a seasoned commentator of HP canon but I'm just speculating here:

I think Albus Dumbledore was sorted into Slytherin. I think some have pointed out that Aberforth perceived him being more concerned about his ambitions, his rise to power and greatness instead of taking care of his sister. I'm not sure but I think Dumbledore himself said something along the lines of regretting being caught up with his ambitions and great plans... (sorry if my phrasing is off!)

I must say that Dumbledore is a 'cunning' person (I don't mean that in a negative sense) but his intelligence has enabled him to be far-sighted and weave big plans though he does so for good instead of evil. He is definitely capable of deep thoughts and schemes (again, not in a negative sense).

To me, all these suggest that he was most likely sorted into Slytherin. (I think Grindelward was in Slytherin too?)

With that said, this means that Albus Severus was named after two great Slytherin wizards. In a way, Dumbledore represents the positive outcome of being a slytherin wizard and Snape represents the negative outcome (but then redeemed himself). Actually both Dumbledore and Snape are very similar...both have done something regrettable but both atoned for it in different ways.

Hence, I'm inclined to think Albus Severus was sorted into Slytherin. I think it's high time Slytherin House shakes itself away from old prejudices.

Posted by: roonwit Apr 28 2009, 07:25 AM

He wasn't. We know that Snape was the first Slytherin Headmaster since Phineas Nigellus. I see no reason to disbelieve Hermione's statement that Dumbledore was in Gryffindor, and although she says "I heard that ..." rather than stating it outright, when is Hermione ever wrong about facts?

Incidentally, Grindelwald wasn't a Slytherin either because he went to Durmstrang, so was never sorted into any Hogwarts house.

Posted by: fr0z3nfire Apr 28 2009, 11:50 AM

Thanks Roonwit for the clarifications.

Goes to show how little of the HP facts I know!

I should start being a serious HP discussion participator by being more familiar with the facts heh!

Posted by: IcklEshAIrAkIns May 1 2009, 09:55 AM

Posted by: Readerfan101 Jun 2 2009, 08:32 PM

I see him as kinda of like harry. I also see him as a gryfindor. I think his fear is like harry in the first book and that is why he is a gryfindor.
laura

Posted by: Tom Bombadil Jun 25 2009, 01:32 AM

Thank you, roonwit! It has been a long time since I've been around these parts, having spent my time in fan fiction instead of forums. However, it's wonderful to see that you are still here bringing logic and facts to the boards!

Yes, Snape was the first headmaster from Slytherin House since Phineas Nigellus. Being aware of this, Harry tells Al the following on page 758, Scholastic, American edition:
Emphasis mine.

Harry tells his son explicitly that one of the two former headmasters for whom he was named was from Slytherin House. One! Dumbledore was not a Slytherin, no matter how ambitious he might have been in his youth.

Also, note that Snape was not a Gryffindor, despite the fact that he was probably the bravest man Harry ever knew!

One trait does not define a person's assignment to a house at Hogwarts. If that was the case, Hermione would have been a Ravenclaw, as she was thought by many to be the brightest witch of her generation.

Furthermore, Harry defines Al's conundrum for us after Al briefly interrupts him:



I'd also like to comment on the ASP argument. I know a man whose initials are JEB, IV. He is called Jeb, not James, Edward, or Chip, Bud, or Quatro. But RAB was not called Rab. He was called Regulus. If one reads the epilogue with the slightest bit of care, Albus Severus Potter was not called Asp. He was not called Severus, or Sev. Other than the one time Harry called him by his full name, he is called Al, and only Al, by the other characters.

Yes, the author refers to him as Albus, but the characters do not.

On page 755, Scholastic, US edition, Ginny calls her youngest son "Al."


James calls his brother "Al" on page 757.


Harry calls his youngest son "Al." (Also on page 757)


James calls his brother "Al" for a second time. (Again on page 757.)


Harry again calls his youngest son "Al," this time on page 758.


Finally, during the same chain of thought in which Harry calls his son "Albus Severus," he turns right around and calls him "Al." (Still page 758.)


So, the only time any character used Al's middle name, it was used as part of his full first name. Harry called him "Albus Severus," as quoted above from page 758, Scholastic, American edition.

Harry and Ginny's second child was called "Al" by his family in every reference there is in the canon, save the one time Harry used both full names to make a specific example. Six times in less than seven pages, he was called "Al." Once he was called "Albus Severus" but only to make the point that Al's fear of Slytherin House and his preference for Gryffindor need not be so overwhelming. I realize it's a personal belief, but when I was doing a lot of exegetical analyses, six for six uses of "Al" when his name was used in a conversational mode would be pretty compelling!!

To my way of thinking, if one were to try to infer anything about the importance of his initials, the argument does not fare well compared to the fact that he was called Al. Not Albus. Not Severus. Not Asp. He was simply called Al ... Al Potter. He looked like Harry, including the fact that he, alone among Harry's children, had inherited Lily Evans' eyes.

In short, since Harry looked like his father, a pureblood Gryffindor, except for his mother's eyes, his mother being a Muggle-born Gryffindor, I see nothing in the canon to suggest that he was destined for Slytherin House. This is especially compelling because he was clearly stressed about the possibility of being assigned to Slytherin!

We know one of Al's characteristics -- that he was sensitive, which some have argued might make him a candidate for Hufflepuff House. That's a possibility. Some have argued that his sensitive nature might make him a perfect candidate for Ravenclaw, which baffles me. Yes, Luna was sensitive, and Cho might have been, as well, but wit and intelligence were the key characteristics of a Ravenclaw!

I would also argue that Al might have inherited Ginny's feistiness, because Harry thought putting him and James in the same room might cause a hazard to their home! Yes, he was kidding, but I don't think it was facetious!

Al didn't want to be in Slytherin House. Harry gave him a reason to possbily reconsider, but I find it unlikely that he would do so. Given the fact that the canon does not show a single Weasley, Prewett, Potter, or Evans who was not in Gryffindor House, I would guess that is where he ended up. GUESS!

My own guess at order of probability:

1. Gryffindor -- by a wide margin, for Harry tells us Al prefers Gryffindor over Slytherin, at least.
2. Hufflepuff -- unlikely, but possible.
3. Ravenclaw -- unlikely, but possible.
4. Slytherin -- technically possible, but highly, highly unlikely.


One final thought in response to the idea that Scorpius Malfoy (or ASP) might be the one to redeem Slytherin House ... it has been nineteen years since the Battle of Hogwarts and Harry tells Al that the choice of house doesn't matter to either Ginny or him! If some student hasn't been redemptive for Slytherin House in nineteen years, then there's a big problem in the wizarding world!!

Anyway, I think Severus Snape redeemed Slytherin House over the last eighteen years or so of his life! And if that wasn't good enough, Horace Slughorn picked up his wand and fought for the Side of Light.

Oh, my! I'm sorry this is so long, but the facts are simply compelling to my eyes!

Edited to add ... HAPPY ANNIVERSARY TO ME! TODAY MARKS 32 WONDERFUL YEARS WITH MY LOVELY BRIDE!!! Well, March 10 marked 36 years from our first date!

Posted by: Kirsikka Jun 25 2009, 02:33 AM

I wonder that too.
Being the son of both Gryffindors, 90% is that he has their qualitys, which would make him a Gryffindor 20 times.

From the other side, Harry was nearly chosen to Slytherin in his first year, and only because he didn't want to get in there he got Gryffindor.
If AS doesn't want to get into that house, I'm sure the hat would let him go to Gryffindor like his father.

But, he could have had the qualitys of a Ravenclaw, or even a Hufflepuff, JK didn't write so much about his personallity.

I guess that will just remain a mistery.

Posted by: Luce_depp Jun 25 2009, 03:30 AM

I am a bit sick fo the people calling Albus shy and quiet etc...

think of the times when you have to do something that's a bit dauntinglike for example go to a brand new school away from ur parents where u hardly know anybody? any think that MAYBE he was nervous? when i get nervous i go quiet and i'm usually quite a loud and talkative person

James isn't a bully, he's an older brother. Do you guys think Fred and George were bullies?
It's like na unwritten rule that an older brother teases the younger sibling(s).

I think ASP is a gryffindor. Maybe becuase i think it's jsut in him somewhere. Harry wasn't brave when it came to hogwarts he was so nervous and worried just before the sorting hat. I don't think the sorting hat looks at outward braveness (which harry's dad showed) but the inward things and inside albus is bravery.

Posted by: Ouroboros Jul 7 2009, 03:35 PM

Posted by: Tom Bombadil Jul 8 2009, 12:43 AM

You have a very good point, here, Ouroboros, as to the point that Harry would be proud of him either way. I think that's true, especially given what we know about Harry's desire to have an ordinary life and a family he loves!

As for Al doing what Sirius did, but in reverse, I think this argument (which has been made frequently) is completely missing the point. If Al ended up in Slytherin, he wouldn't be doing the same thing Sirius did.

Sirius Black's choice to go to Gryffindor over Slytherin House was part of a total rejection of his family and everything it stood for. It was the pure-blood mania of the Black family that he was rejecting. Since Slytherin House supported that mania, he needed to reject Slytherin House as a part of his rejection of evil.

Rejecting Slytherin House was a part of a major, life-altering move by Sirius. He lost the respect of his parents, his brother, and most of his other relatives (though thankfully not all) in the process.

If Al went into another house, there would be huge differences:

1. He would not be making a major statement on the values of life ... good versus evil, as Sirius did.

2. He would not lose the love and respect of his family. Harry made that explicitly clear through the things he disclosed to Al on Platform 9-3/4.

3.From what JKR has told us about the Hogwarts Houses post-Deathly Hallows, Slytherin is no longer a place for pure-blood mania or hatred to fester and grow. Therefore, it is not diametrically opposed to Gryffindor House any longer.

4. Unless he changed his mind on the train, Al feared being assigned to Slytherin House. Therefore, he would not be mirroring Sirius. Neither of them wanted to by in Slytherin, so the agent of change would be the Sorting Hat, no Albus Severus Potter.

5. If Al did change his mind and chose Slytherin -- as some suggest he might have made fast friends with Scorpius Malfoy -- he would have been merely breaking with Potter family tradition. Of course, we don't know for a fact about Weasley family tradition, since Al is also the son of Ginny Weasley, another valiant Gryffindor from an all-Gryffingor family (at least in modern generations). Perhaps Victoire or any other of Al's cousins could have been in Slytherin House. Certainly Fleur's child might fit in!! LOL!!

I really couldn't care less what house Al Potter belonged to at Hogwarts. One could, after all, argue that he went into no house at Hogwarts, because he is a fictional character whose last time on the written page (at least JKR's written page) is on the Hogwarts Express as Harry is waving good-bye.

Posted by: roonwit Jul 8 2009, 05:02 AM

There could be some other houses in the new Weasley generation, but there are less likely to be any Slytherins as if there were, Harry could use them as a positive example (along the lines of "Look at Victoire, she is in Slytherin but she is still a nice person").

Posted by: lupinwandcaster Jul 8 2009, 10:58 PM

He'd be in Gryffindor just like Harry, no question.

Posted by: potterlover18 Jul 28 2009, 03:44 PM

I started this topic months ago but I just had a few more thoughts. Yes, I agree that Albus would have asked the Sorting Hat for something other than Slytherin.

In the SS movie, when Ron is being sorted, the Hat says, "Ha! Another Weasley! I know just what to do with you! Gryffindor!" From this it seems that the Hat remembers which families have been put where. If Albus has a similar experience, he would go to Gryffindor, just like Harry, Ginny, and his brother.

As far as Albus' personality, he seems similar to Ginny with his sensitivities. James seems like a practical joker and possibly a rule breaker. Kind of Fred and George-ish. Anyone agree?

Posted by: Bella Longbottom Nov 12 2009, 07:50 PM

I think Albus ended up in Gryffindor.
Because he was terrified about ending up in Slytherin, I'm sure he asked the Sorting Hat for something other than that.
And he's part Weasley. He may not have the red hair and what not, but he's still a Weasley, and where do Weasleys end up?
I don't think Slytherin would've changed too much anyways. A lot of the kids sorted into that house were just mean bullies, and I don't think that changed.

I definitly agree with you on James. I think he's very much like Fred and George, and it seems he tends to interrupt people when he's not supposed to, so we see a bit of Ron in him as well. I guess he just got a lot of the Weasley genes when it comes to personality. ;P

Posted by: dobby_rocks Nov 20 2009, 04:42 AM

I think he probably ended up in Gryffidor if not it then Hufflpuff.

Posted by: mamaykay Dec 2 2009, 09:05 PM

I think that Albus will have the choice to be in either Gryffindor or Slytherin, and will choose Gryffindor, just like his dad. His insecurities only came from his brother teasing him, but James really does love Al, and all older siblings boss their younger brothers and sisters around, anyway.

From what tiny bit of his personality we see, he seems a lot like his dad did the day he went to Hogwarts for the first time - scared of being in a bad house, or not belonging at all (as I remember, Harry said something about worrying that he wouldn't get in, and there was a mistake). I also think that the Slytherin part in Harry was just the horcrux, as he never showed much ambition, cunning or any other especially important trait of Slytherin.

Personally, I think that he won't choose Gryffindor because of his family, but instead will ask because it is where he belongs in my mind. He just seems like his dad so much that I couldn't ever imagine him any where else.

Scorpius, on the other hand, will for sure be a Gryffindor or Hufflepuff, and Rose will be a Gryffindor or Ravenclaw. I can see them as the new Gryffindor trio.

Posted by: Soap3rz Feb 16 2010, 11:14 PM

From what I got from the Epilogue, Albus Severus was a shy, calculating, misunderstood, and defensive kid. He was made to be far more nervous than Harry or Ron when it came to thinking about getting sorted into Slytherin, and I think this was a little bit telling. He was concerned about how his family (notably James) would treat him, less so much how he felt about being sorted into the house itself. This self-preservation in the face of others and need to play around for their approval seems a fitting description of anyone sorted into Slythrin. Besides, once Harry told Albus he would be fine with it and how Snape, a Slytherin, was the bravest man he knew, it seemed like Albus had warmed to the idea.

And when the time comes and the Sorting Hat wants to place him in Slytherin, I don't think Albus would take his father's advice and ask it to put him in Gryffindor. I always imagined, in an act of defiance and confidence in himself he would stick up for who he was and let it happen. Sort of a chance to show James he isn't getting to him anymore.

Not that this means Albus is a bad kid either, I just believe it would be a fitting twist. Scorpius would be sorted in Slythrin as well, and the two would become close friends. Albus would have to deal with the prejudice of his brother James and possibly sister Lilly, and he would try to remain friends with Rose at the same time--ala Snape and Lilly Evans without the romantic entanglements.

I just think Gryffindor would be too easy, and a bit of a waste for the potential we have seen with his character!

Posted by: Martha360 Mar 9 2010, 05:06 PM

Why would scorpious be in griffindor? he is dracos son! he'll be in slytherin. Are you thinking of hugo?

Posted by: Lucette Mar 11 2010, 12:16 PM

I get that feeling too, even just because this is one on another frontier of prejuduce. Luna with her classifications and Hermione with her writing of the law would emphasize respect for other creatures - blood status, ethnicity and orientation are all things that the Weasleys do not care about - making House prejudice the last frontier of major conventionally accepted prejudice. Harry having a child in Slytherin and being Ok with it would be a big step towards breaking down these barriers between people whose families were sorted into different houses.

I think that Albus Severus is easily intimidated by what his brother says and there is a part of him who does not want to be in the same House as his brother. I think that Rose would wish to be in the same house as Albus Severus since it seems that the children of the two families know each other a lot.

Both Harry and Draco would have difficulties with their sons being friends - and that makes a story.

James Sirius thought that he was getting Teddy into trouble when he shared his gossip. James Sirius is already spreading misinformation so as to intentionally upset Albus Severus.



Well yeah, there is a link between James Sirius's teasing and Albus Severus's insecurity. And, yes, they do have a sibling relationship - somewhat like the one that Harry had with Dudley - except that, instead of toning it down, like Harry and his wife do, Vernon tended to egg Dudley on.



James and Sirius were kind of Fred and George-ish. Both sets did not mind using humour to get even with those that they disliked.

I often imagine an 11 year old Severus Snape being torn - wanting to please his mother (whom, unlike his father, he likes), wanting to be with Lily - and not wanting to share a bedroom with Jamt and Black.