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Posted by: Mrs_Linnea_Snape Nov 16 2008, 01:34 AM

Did anyone else glean from the Spinner's End chapter that Bellatrix may have a crush on Severus, or at least may have pursued him in the past (before she met her husband, perhaps)?

I'd actually forgotten about this, but my very first impression when I read that chapter was, "Hey, is there somethin' goin' on between these two?"

It's hard to pinpoint exactly, but something about the way Snape taunts Bella, and the way she responds to it, suggested to me that Bellatrix had tried to seduce Severus at some point in the past, and that Severus was never going to let her forget it. For example:

1) He stood back to allow [Narcissa] to pass him into the house. Her still-hooded sister followed without invitation.

"Snape," she said curtly as she passed him.

"Bellatrix," he replied, his thin mouth curling into an almost mocking smile as he closed the door with a snap behind them.

2) ...Bellatrix said nothing, but continued to glower at Snape. This did not seem to discompose him; on the contrary, he looked rather amused.

3) How vehemently Bellatrix expresses her distrust of Severus, and the fact that no real reason for it is provided. Is she so bound-and-determined not to trust him partly because she's still seething over the fact that he rebuffed her advances in the past?

I'm very much looking forward to hearing other people's opinions on this.

Linnea

Posted by: DumblondKatie Nov 16 2008, 02:24 AM

DO you know what, after reading this title I was like, " No way" but then when I read the evidence I think it could be possible. Why else would Snape be so smug and mocking towards Bella ?

I think its possible that Bellatrix had something like a crush on Snape and Snape didn't return the feels, as he was still in love will Lily.

Good theiry, I think its defenatly possible.

Posted by: crucio_uk Nov 16 2008, 07:39 AM

very interesting question, I don't claim to have the slightest insight to complex labyrinth that is the female mind....but approching this from a male point of view, I feel the animosity between them was for two main reasons:

1: She did not trust him, and when you feel someone has the power to put both you and more so your family in danger, your going to approach them in a guarded manner.

2: She very much viewed her statues within the DE (as one of "you know who's" favourite) threaten by Severus as he know all to will based on his comments about her having gone to azkaban.

That said, many the times I was punched in the playground by a girl only to find out year later she liked me.

Posted by: Shalanarah Nov 16 2008, 08:17 AM

At first, i was going to come here and say 'No Way!!!! It was Snape/ Narcissa!' But then i see your point there and i think it could be possible. They seem like they have some history. Haha this sounds fun to imagine Bellatrix makes a move on Sev.

Posted by: Sirius_Craic Nov 16 2008, 07:44 PM

I'm more inclinded to think that she it was Voldemort she was in love with. This was obvisiously something that wouldnt be returned to her so she would feel jealous of anyone else who Voldemort took notice of. She had to compete with Snape to be top ranking to LV. This i think Snape all knew, and new her behaviour towards him was a result of a sense of jeaousy.
Add this to the fact that Snape probably knew how much she didnt want to be at Spinners end, knew how much this must be killing her inside to go against her precious Dark Lord.

Posted by: Mrs_Linnea_Snape Nov 21 2008, 12:44 AM

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I'm more inclinded to think that she it was Voldemort she was in love with. This was obvisiously something that wouldnt be returned to her so she would feel jealous of anyone else who Voldemort took notice of. She had to compete with Snape to be top ranking to LV. This i think Snape all knew, and new her behaviour towards him was a result of a sense of jeaousy.

Yeah, since Snape is now Voldemort's right-hand man -- literally (at the table in Malfoy Manor in The Dark Lord Ascending Chapter), Bella would be way jealous, because she is truly obsessed with Voldemort, in a lustful way. So I don't think the pass she made at him would have been major -- maybe even resulting from her just having one too many shots of firewhisky one night. Hence, my topic title is erroneous, as I now realize. I should have called it, "Bellatrix Once Had A Slight Crush On Snape?" But that would have been considerably less attention-grabbing. Anyway, I imagine her always having a fondness for little Snape during the brief period they were at school together (if they were at school together at all -- has the confusion over that particular aspect of the timeline been cleared up?), and then later on during their early Death Eater days, she thinks she can have him because she still thinks of him as Little Snape. Obviously, this is just pure speculation on my part (hence the word "imagine").

I realize I have no evidence, save his "mocking smile," and looking amused as she glowers at him -- and even those two teeny tiny examples hardly qualify as proof (they could just be Snape being Snape). But I still just can't shake the feeling. Or maybe I just don't want to shake the feeling, because it's so much fun to imagine it.

Linnea

Posted by: crucio_uk Nov 21 2008, 06:42 AM

well Mrs_Linnea_Snape, I just phoned Sigmund Freud and he says you got a classic case of Psychological projection, and it is you who has the Slight Crush On Snape ;)

Posted by: ChelseyFitz Nov 21 2008, 09:31 AM

I think that they loath eachother. I always thought that Bellatrix was in love with Voldemort. I also think that Voldemort had a thing for her as well. I am not sure what, but the way he reacted to hearing about her death makes me think so. His screaming and then going after Molly.

Posted by: Aleddodc Nov 21 2008, 10:46 AM

Sorry but i dont think there was anything but dislike between them. It would of been good had they had some past though it would really stir things up.
Cheers
Aled

Posted by: Sirius_Craic Nov 21 2008, 03:24 PM

I wouldn't be inclinded to think Voldemort felt for Bellatrix the same she felt for him. I think that scream was just the realisation that he just lost a loyal follower who shared his views and would without question carry out his orders. Voldemort was qute sure he was winning that war, he would have needed someone to do this dirty work afterwards and since he already, cold-bloodedly, killed Snape who was his right hand man, he knew losing Bellatrix was a spanner in the works, so to speak.

Posted by: Mrs_Linnea_Snape Nov 21 2008, 10:56 PM

Ha ha...how did you guess??? In my head, Snape didn't even die. They rushed him to St. Mungo's and found a blood donor, saving him in the nick of time.

Please don't contradict me on that. My fragile, Snape-obsessed psyche simply can't take it. I'd had a suspicion Snape would die since the end of Book 6, and all through Book 7 I was crossing my fingers, saying "Please, please, J.K., let him live!" At one point while reading Book 7, I simply couldn't take it anymore, and quickly flipped through to catch a glimpse of The Prince's Tale chapter. From that 2-second peek I concluded that Snape had lived, and The Prince's Tale was him finally explaining himself to everybody. Needless to say, I was crushed when I found out I was wrong, and that his explanation of himself was post-mortem.

Anyway, I really would like to know whether or not Snape and Bella were at school together. Didn't one timeline put her as being born in '54, and another put it as '51? So, she was either in her 7th year when Snape was in his 1st, or she graduated three years before he started? I love to get an answer on this, because it would really help shed some light on Snape and Bella's relationship (and by this I just mean their relationship as fellow Death Eaters, not necessarily any romantic one).

With regards to whether or not Voldemort reciprocated any of Bella's feelings, I think that is unlikely. As Sirius_Craic said, I think his scream in response to Molly killing Bella was just because he'd lost another of his most loyal and devoted followers, just after he'd killed one of them himself (or, killed one whom he thought was loyal, anyway). I think she was certainly one of his favorites, but I don't think he had any true affection for her.

As J.K. herself said, Nagini the snake was the one creature Voldemort may have felt some sort of true human affection for. Not Bella.

Linnea

Posted by: WaggaWaggaWerewolf Nov 22 2008, 08:49 PM

According to the Prince's Tale, Snape and the Marauders definitely started school when Lucius was the Slytherin prefect. And it seems that Snape always liked Lucius and vice versa, despite Snape's being half-blood. It is very likely then that Snape and more particularly, Lucius, who married Bellatrix's youngest sister, was at school with both Bellatrix and possibly Andromeda Black as well. It is also very likely then that even if Snape did not meet Bellatrix at school he might have met her socially through Lucius and Narcissa. Narcissa does seem to have no qualms about turning to Snape in HBP.

Posted by: bunya dragon Nov 23 2008, 09:36 PM

I don't think that Bellatrix has any affection for Severus Snape. She is too busy trying to get back her place in LV's affections, and doesn't want Severus lording it over her. Bellatrix is not the sort of sister-in-law that Lucius needs, and I also think that her own husband and brother-in-law are scared of her.

Posted by: Professor L E Snape Nov 24 2008, 08:16 PM

I don't think Voldemort felt anything for Bellatrix, although I am sure he was aware of her feelings for him and tried to manipulate them to his advantage!

I dont think that there was any hint of romance between snape and BT-snape always remained devoted to lily and BT was always obsessed with LV. Hardly the grounds for any blossoming romance!

Posted by: Fourmagpies Nov 29 2008, 02:19 PM

Ha ha...how did you guess??? In my head, Snape didn't even die. They rushed him to St. Mungo's and found a blood donor, saving him in the nick of time.

They didnt need to get him to St Mungos's. Fawkes came and healed him after the trio left, although he was still too weak to make his way back along the tunnel for a few hours. Then Severus and Fawkes later turned up in the Headmaster's office just when the Elder Wand had failed to fix Harry's wand (it's a weapon of war, why would it ever be especially good at Reparo?) and Harry was asking desperately aimlessly for help. Fawkes gave him a new feather and Ollivander was able to make him a new wand.

I had always expected Snape to die in book seven too, but heroically. Once I got over his not playing the clinching role in the final battle, then I reckoned he might as well get to live, and that's my version. But I probably still prefer the version where he dies throwing himself in front of Harry to take Voldemort's curse...


Sorry, that was a bit off topic. I don't reckon Bellatrix ever loved anyone except Voldemort. Voldemort, cold as he was, expressed more regard for Bellatrix and her companions in torturing the Longbottoms than for anyone else, until they were among those letting him down at the Ministry. Then Severus became the favourite. This was apparent to her and seems to me to be enough reason for the atmosphere between them.